"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

I've been frustrated by low responses of any kind from the really hot young girls on SA, a current target of interest if you have read my other posts. My game is mostly nice guy, but obviously I have read what you guys have been saying and doing regarding SBs who are sub. I now put together a little paragraph that takes me into the area of taboo, providing direction, etc. , not necessarily coming out and saying I am going to tie them up or whack their bottom. Wow! It worked, at least with one Korean-American spinner HCP. Suddenly she's messaging me and getting really into the convo, at least, about sugaring. I have gone with my usual initial contact message, and then if I haven't gotten any response in 1-5 days, follow up with the second message. I have even gone back to message trails that were dormant for 1-2 mos and tried to reactivate interest in this way.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3097437]FFA. Madaboutmax is correct. This thread is more civil than the other sb threads out there. The other threads tend to be a swapping of names, as you've already pointed out. At one point this forum was essentially the defacto national forum.

Historically, this used to be a place where brothers could speak there mind, and any disagreements were generally cast as alternative advice or a "hey, I probably wouldn't use that approach, since X, Y, and Z are things that would concern me. ".

There was always the exception to that rule, and sadly more recently the exception began to swallow the rule. Literal2/Admin had to delete posts of squabbles between mongers. There easy enough to find if you scroll through. Hopefully though this board will return to its former glory.[/QUOTE]You're right, Fish, I also see this as the de facto national thread. As JL suggests, if I have something that is about local girls in soCal, I put that on the LA board (unfortunately, there's not a SB thread for Orange or San Diego County). More general interest stuff / questions come here.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3097883]I've been frustrated by low responses of any kind from the really hot young girls on SA, a current target of interest if you have read my other posts. My game is mostly nice guy, but obviously I have read what you guys have been saying and doing regarding SBs who are sub. I now put together a little paragraph that takes me into the area of taboo, providing direction, etc. , not necessarily coming out and saying I am going to tie them up or whack their bottom. Wow! It worked, at least with one Korean-American spinner HCP. Suddenly she's messaging me and getting really into the convo, at least, about sugaring. I have gone with my usual initial contact message, and then if I haven't gotten any response in 1-5 days, follow up with the second message. I have even gone back to message trails that were dormant for 1-2 mos and tried to reactivate interest in this way.[/QUOTE]I am not a signed sealed and delivered Dominate, I describe myself as a guy who CAN BE dominate with the right girl. I am also no mush either, probably natural someplace in-between. That said, I have literally found that for one reason or another (at least my encounters) that 75% or greater of these girls on SA are true Subs. At the very least, they are curious. They also have no issues with hookup sex whatsoever, so these media reports about crying them a river and being some sort of victim, is pure propaganda and nonsense. These girls enjoy what they are doing. ENJOY IT! Yes, some run into the occasional bad SD, or someone they are not attracted to, and it's their choice to play, or move along. I'm so sick of the media spin in this country telling us all how we need to think, feel and what we see. I've been in the bowl, I've dated these girls, I know what reality is. The reality is, most of these girls are VERY sexual, into sex, enjoy sex, just to have sex and get something more out of it than just taking money. If I had a dollar for every girl that tells me, "it's not just about the money, I enjoy these experiences" Not what the mainstream and the media wants to hear as it does not fir their agenda, but it's the truth.

Late check out can be harder in a busy / peak demand market (think Cville on a UVA football weekend or the height of wedding season) since they are trying to turn rooms ASAP.

I have gotten early check-ins frequently with the following story -- co-worker or prospective employee is driving many hours / flying in for meeting or interview. Any chance I can get them in early so they can freshen up after long travels? Allows for A) booking room in her name B) me paying for it with no eyebrows raised.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;3098080]They also have no issues with hookup sex whatsoever, so these media reports about crying them a river and being some sort of victim, is pure propaganda and nonsense. These girls enjoy what they are doing. ENJOY IT! Yes, some run into the occasional bad SD, or someone they are not attracted to, and it's their choice to play, or move along. I'm so sick of the media spin in this country telling us all how we need to think, feel and what we see. I've been in the bowl, I've dated these girls, I know what reality is. The reality is, most of these girls are VERY sexual, into sex, enjoy sex, just to have sex and get something more out of it than just taking money. If I had a dollar for every girl that tells me, "it's not just about the money, I enjoy these experiences" Not what the mainstream and the media wants to hear as it does not fir their agenda, but it's the truth.[/QUOTE]

My observation has been that the simplicity of a no-strings arrangement seems to put these girls' mind in a place where they feel "allowed" to enjoy the sex more. If they are dating someone in their own age bracket, it's probably more for the pursuit of love and finding lots of non-sexual things in common with someone they can potentially have kids with some day. In other words they are sizing a mate up for completely different reasons. If they have to consider a guy as a potential long-term partner, all sorts of complications go through their mind and they feel sexually restrained by the idea that they might be judged for their actions at some future date. When they shop for an SD online, they are either money or sex motivated or a combination of both. I tend to meet the ones with a combination of both because I weed out the money grubbers that insist on talking amounts up front.

So I usually end up with ones with a preference for older guys and a high sex drive where money is secondary. The ones that really need money seem to convey a level of pushiness that I don't care for. Pretty much across the board they end up telling me that they met me because they were attracted to me via my online interaction with them and photo exchange. They don't all go to the extreme of telling me no gift is needed, but some of them do and others just put on a face like "oh you didn't need to do that" when I gift them.

With my most recent stripper takeout (a stunner and an extraordinary sex partner), it quickly became clear she was happy to simply recoup the money she lost by leaving work to hook up with me, then asked me for a real date on her night off where she would treat me to some clubbing and no other financial expectations. On the second date I asked her what made her want to approach me out of the clear blue at the strip club where she worked, then leave work with me. She said "I just saw you sitting there and felt like I wanted to have sex with you. Dancers need sex too you know". It seemed like sound logic so I didn't argue. LOL.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;3098080]I am not a signed sealed and delivered Dominate, I describe myself as a guy who CAN BE dominate with the right girl. I am also no mush either, probably natural someplace in-between. That said, I have literally found that for one reason or another (at least my encounters) that 75% or greater of these girls on SA are true Subs. At the very least, they are curious. They also have no issues with hookup sex whatsoever, so these media reports about crying them a river and being some sort of victim, is pure propaganda and nonsense. These girls enjoy what they are doing. ENJOY IT! Yes, some run into the occasional bad SD, or someone they are not attracted to, and it's their choice to play, or move along. I'm so sick of the media spin in this country telling us all how we need to think, feel and what we see. I've been in the bowl, I've dated these girls, I know what reality is. The reality is, most of these girls are VERY sexual, into sex, enjoy sex, just to have sex and get something more out of it than just taking money. If I had a dollar for every girl that tells me, "it's not just about the money, I enjoy these experiences" Not what the mainstream and the media wants to hear as it does not fir their agenda, but it's the truth.[/QUOTE]Her. I think it's very attractive that you're so experienced with these kinds of arrangements.

Me. Perhaps adventurous means you are good with, or even like, my being married. It *still* turns up the naughty meter, now, doesn't it? And then there is just the taboo of sugar babies to begin with.

Her. That last line though. Damn, you got me there.

Me. I can help you in learning about being a sugar baby.

Her. I don't know what I'm getting myself into however, I'm curious, and I don't think there's any better age in my life to be a sugar baby than now, so here I am. I hope you teach me what it is to be a sugar baby.

My Brothers I recently trimmed the hair for my personal comfort (prevent it from sticking and tangling with the foreskin) and also to hopefully make it easier for the SBs. However it was uncomfortable immediately after it felt prickly down there. Was it because I cut it too short or did I remove hair from places it should not have been removed? Shaving and other complete hair removal techniques are not an option.

For those who are renting a hotel only for an afternoon FC to take an SB, the following solutions may not apply.

For the SDs that do most of their dating when traveling away from home like I do, you probably have a different modus operandi. You're booking a hotel not just exclusively for the purpose of dating, but because you're traveling anyway due to work or whatever. You often have a primary girl lined up in that city with a couple of possible backups, but they are rarely girls you've seen before, so you have no idea what will come of the date (specifically whether one of the girls is going to want to spend the night in your room or not).

If they do spend the night, there is a threat of your identity being revealed via the receipt that housekeeping tends to slide under the door during the last night of your stay. If your date wakes up before you do and sees the slip of paper on the ground, she will almost certainly pick it up -- its human nature for a lot of people to pick up a stray piece of paper off the floor. And of course, it will also be instinctive for her to flip it over to see how much you paid for the room, revealing your name as well (I've never seen one that did not show my name, some of them show only last name but that's still too much for me).

There are three possible ways that I can think of to try to combat this:

-1- Ask the front desk to e-mail you the receipt instead of putting it under the door. Dangerous for two different reasons (paper trail in your e-mail, and I'm not sure how many hotels are set up to make unusual exceptions to the house keeping department like this). Even still, with all good checklists in place, what's to stop a housekeeper from forgetting the exception and doing to your room what she does to all other rooms scheduled to check out later that day? Don't rely on humans to protect your identity.

-2- If there is a chance of a sleep over date, try to book a room that has a separate bedroom area with an attached bathroom, placed away from the room's front door. In other words, if she wakes up before you, unless she is bolting to go home to her boyfriend, she is most likely only going to get out of bed to go to the bathroom or maybe kitchen area to get a drink of water or something. If the room is laid out like an apartment or condo, a lot of times these activities can take place without ever going within sight of the front door simply because of the layout of the floorplan. Obviously this level of choice is not possible at every hotel or under every condition, but in general I prefer apartment-style hotel rooms, and I'm often surprised at how easily they can be found. They usually cost a little more than the smallest room available, but unless you're staying for an extended period of time, you probably won't feel the price jump, and let's face it the bowl is not a hobby for cheapskates, so you just have to weigh the risk reward on this one.

-3- Some hotels also let you download a mobile app that you can use to check yourself in, in some cases use your phone as a key to the room, and checkout without front desk intervention, and often they have an option to email the receipt or show the receipt on the phone only. This is usually offered if you are signed up as a rewards member of the hotel system. Some of them even go so far as to let you select from a number of available rooms at the time you do the mobile or web check-in, which potentially gives you a chance to take item number -2- above into consideration. I've seen some that display multiple floor plans to choose from right on the phone. I personally think this is one of the more promising trends toward dealing with the slip under the door option, however I will say that the adoption of technology by hotels is not the most rapid in the world, and I've had mixed results with the use of these apps, including the app telling me one room number, only to find that when I get to the front desk their system is apparently not exchanging data with the mobile version and they have me booked for a completely different room, etc. In some cases the front desk clerk seems oblivious to the existence of the mobile app and what might have taken place through it.

-4- The old fashioned method -- just try to beat her to it and make sure you get to the front door before she does. This is the worst of all options because the time it actually gets placed under the door is unpredictable, usually sometime between 6-9 am in my experience. Most of us, if we have a hot young girl in our beds that's available for one more round of fucking and a solution to morning wood, would rather be taking care of that than to keep getting up and checking the front door.

I did not realize (until I read about it) that [URL]hotels.com[/URL] 11th night free is equivalent to getting 10% off each booking which is not that much. So should I stop using [URL]hotels.com[/URL] exclusively? Also does Priceline allow indicating special requests for the hotel (early check in etc) after a bid is accepted?

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;3098630]I did not realize (until I read about it) that hotels.com11th night free is equivalent to getting 10% off each booking which is not that much. So should I stop using hotels.com exclusively? Also does Priceline allow indicating special requests for the hotel (early check in etc) after a bid is accepted?[/QUOTE]I suspect mileage may vary here a lot, but I've found that my best results (in terms of rates and special requests service) have come from simply joining the hotels own club. Its a little bit of a pain to juggle accounts at several parent chains but usually 3-4 memberships would give you enough coverage to find a place near wherever you want to stay, since the parent brand usually covers multiple hotel brands. The member discount on room rates is often 5%-10% in addition to point accumulation (and points can be redeemed for free nights eventually). The main reason I started doing this is because I found that if I booked through a brokerage site, and wanted to extend the stay beyond what was booked while staying in same room, or shorten it by leaving early, some of them were unable to make adjustments on rooms booked non-direct, like the booking systems didn't cross-communicate very well, they only accepted the reservation and once the third party site got their fee they were done with their side of things. Plus sometimes booking direct will reveal room availability that differs from what you see on the brokerage sites. And I sometimes see direct member rates $10-25 lower than the brokerage sites but never vice versa.

Has anyone resolved the vanilla prepaid issue with SA? I've been denied for two months now and also tried the guest pay pal option with no luck. I've registered the prepaid online and set the zip code. I use an actual address with a fake name. Nothing is working, should I try a different prepaid? Or will I get the same result?

[QUOTE=NutInHer;3098892]Has anyone resolved the vanilla prepaid issue with SA? I've been denied for two months now and also tried the guest pay pal option with no luck. I've registered the prepaid online and set the zip code. I use an actual address with a fake name. Nothing is working, should I try a different prepaid? Or will I get the same result?[/QUOTE]I posted on this last month. The payment processor admitted they were having difficulty with prepaids from the US and they were working on a fix. Obviously, they haven't found one yet. I have only 4 days left on my membership, but I just got the hottest, busty 21 YO to sign on the dotted line at tonight's M&G, so I'm good for a while.

I use Marriott hotels and the Marriott app. With the app you can check in a day ahead of time and indicate when you plan to arrive. I have generally had success with early check this way. You can typically tell how busy a hotel is based on the room price. If they aren't busy, they will have a room for you.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3099184]I posted on this last month. The payment processor admitted they were having difficulty with prepaids from the US and they were working on a fix. Obviously, they haven't found one yet. I have only 4 days left on my membership, but I just got the hottest, busty 21 YO to sign on the dotted line at tonight's M&G, so I'm good for a while.[/QUOTE]You lucky bastard. I got a bunch of messages and can't read any of them:

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3097727]Lebruno caught a great story about someone putting flyers up for SD 4 ME near a college campus. Guess that enterprising brother is pushing the game to new heights.
[/QUOTE]I read the story as it was someone touting SD4 ME rather than an enterprising brother.

I created an account on SD4 ME recently, and well it's as bad as I remember LOL.