"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

I've noticed that a lot of babies in the DMV are into this. I think another brother already pointed out the large crossover between SA and fetlife. I've noticed it when I had been doing meet and greets with babies from the dmv, but less so with babies in other locations.

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;3095678]I have been in the bowl for a little over a year, but about 6 months ago had 3 consecutive two month long arrangements, an 18 yr old, a 25 yr old and a 19 year old. Each of them, in varying degrees were submissive ("subs") into BDSM as opposed to "vanilla" I stepped up my game, learned how to tie rope through internet video and rope purchases (I now consider myself a "rope top" purchased a set of mattress straps along with other accessories (blindfolds, etc). Now I even tend to search out that profile. It is a nice change of pace from vanilla.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3096284]I've noticed that a lot of babies in the DMV are into this. I think another brother already pointed out the large crossover between SA and fetlife. I've noticed it when I had been doing meet and greets with babies from the dmv, but less so with babies in other locations.[/QUOTE]Please fill me in fish. I've been here a while, but I've never seen the acronym before, and I presume we aren't meaning literally the DMV. LOL.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3096047]I am pretty sure it was hwg that said it a few years ago, but this game is like hotel california. You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave.

There are days when I regret ever opening this Pandora box. Of course those regrets seem like a distant memory when I'm balls deep in a PYT with her legs over my shoulders.

BTW, good to see that you've returned to the forum as well double D. After a year long hiatus, your return is welcomed by the the brotherhood.[/QUOTE]Fish et al. - I had this exact thought today (well, not the regret part). When you can do this, why wouldn't you? I can't imagine not being in the bowl at least periodically, as long as I can; meaning, can shake loose the capital, haven't been found out by the SO, there are still PDE5 inhibitors.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3096116]Er, I wouldn't be so sure.

Can't tell you how many MILFs have told me they got knocked up while on the pill! Oh and then there are those flaky SBs that "forget" to take it. Best bet is a girl with Norplant or the shot. With those "on the pill" best bet is to get some spremicide gel. Insert it like a tampon as you are doing oral and then rest assured any "accident" she has isn't yours. For me THAT is being responsible when BB.[/QUOTE]I had a M&G with a 19 YO I posted about who was trying to get help to move out of a fundamentalist parent's home. Several of you veterans cautioned me about her all kinds of ways. She also claimed to have norplant. But would you really want to be risking that with a potentially high drama girl?

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3096386]Please fill me in fish. I've been here a while, but I've never seen the acronym before, and I presume we aren't meaning literally the DMV. LOL.[/QUOTE]BDSM. Bondage and Discipline, Dominance and Submission, Sadism and Masochism.

DMV. DC, Maryland, Virginia. Or DC. Baltimore Metro Area.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3096508]BDSM. Bondage and Discipline, Dominance and Submission, Sadism and Masochism.

DMV. DC, Maryland, Virginia. Or DC. Baltimore Metro Area.[/QUOTE]Aha! Yes, you SDs around there do seem to be in a pot of honey. I have always wondered why Richmond. I had a GF from there once, and she was fine, but.

I peruse the arrangement threads in other geo areas at times, and some seem to be only thinly veiled BP equivalents, and most messaging isn't about the chase, but the price / performance. Here in SoCal I think there are real arrangements, and they seem to be there also. I have one, am working on others.

Just watching Viceland. Black Market Dispatches: a program called "Sugar Babies" S01/ Ep06.

[URL]https://www.viceland.com/en_us/video/the-career-sugar-baby/57dad55eb8298923b2c1d0c9?latest=1[/URL]

A female reporter is interviewing SBs and shows that all of you guys are creeps!

1st girl had 12 Daddies and had to do sex for money & do gross things like guys who want to eat their own sperm!

Another girl got shared and woke up with [B]a dude putting cigarettes out on her arms, chest, etc.[/B].

Most guys don't get the idea of a monthly allowance and want P2 P or pay per visit!

The arrangements are exploitative!

So there you have it! The real truth of what you guys are doing!

Every day 4,000 girls around the world join up on SA and the number of girls on SA has doubled in the last 2 years.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3096620]Just watching Viceland. Black Market Dispatches: a program called "Sugar Babies" S01/ Ep06.

[URL]https://www.viceland.com/en_us/video/the-career-sugar-baby/57dad55eb8298923b2c1d0c9?latest=1[/URL]

A female reporter is interviewing SBs and shows that all of you guys are creeps!

1st girl had 12 Daddies and had to do sex for money & do gross things like guys who want to eat their own sperm!

Another girl got shared and woke up with [B]a dude putting cigarettes out on her arms, chest, etc.[/B].

Most guys don't get the idea of a monthly allowance and want P2 P or pay per visit!

The arrangements are exploitative!

So there you have it! The real truth of what you guys are doing!

Every day 4,000 girls around the world join up on SA and the number of girls on SA has doubled in the last 2 years.[/QUOTE]

It is interesting how everyone always has an agenda. Reporters have the agenda of creating an attention grabbing story. Who knows how many "SB's" the reporter interviewed before finding the ones that claim horrific abuse. I doubt the ones with genuinely good mutually beneficial experiences would want to be interviewed.

SA has the agenda of attracting more women and making themselves seem legitimate. That's why it puts out propaganda claiming the average SB makes $3-4 k per month with many that are in purely platonic relationships. I'm sure it happens, but definitely not the norm.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3096569]Aha! Yes, you SDs around there do seem to be in a pot of honey. I have always wondered why Richmond. I had a GF from there once, and she was fine, but.

I peruse the arrangement threads in other geo areas at times, and some seem to be only thinly veiled BP equivalents, and most messaging isn't about the chase, but the price / performance. Here in SoCal I think there are real arrangements, and they seem to be there also. I have one, am working on others.[/QUOTE]I travel a lot and have noticed the difference in geographies as well. Some have a range of mostly escorts to mostly GPS platonic girls to college girl SBS to career SBs. I think you find all types in all areas, but the mix is significantly different.

Looking at some of the other threads on the site, you can also see how the guys are very different in the different areas. This thread may be the most civil of all the threads on this site. I've spoken to many SBS in the VA, DC, MD area that say they joined after a friend who had a good experience recommended it to them.

Treating the girls with respect, causes more girls who appreciate being respected to join the sites. I'm always respectful, even when I'm tempted not to be by some rude, GPS, entitled girls.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3097138]I travel a lot and have noticed the difference in geographies as well. Some have a range of mostly escorts to mostly GPS platonic girls to college girl SBS to career SBs. I think you find all types in all areas, but the mix is significantly different.

Looking at some of the other threads on the site, you can also see how the guys are very different in the different areas. This thread may be the most civil of all the threads on this site. I've spoken to many SBS in the VA, DC, MD area that say they joined after a friend who had a good experience recommended it to them.

Treating the girls with respect, causes more girls who appreciate being respected to join the sites. I'm always respectful, even when I'm tempted not to be by some rude, GPS, entitled girls.[/QUOTE]Whenever I encounter a girl that makes me want to bring her down a few notches (because she's rude / entitled or whatever), the rule I've set for myself is to simply go dark. Terminate the conversation and move on to the next one.

The reason is that any additional time spent arguing with her (when she is clearly a bad egg) is time that could be spent more productively on another girl. And, let's say that I do burst her bubble and she decides to leave the site either because she decides what she wants is unattainable, or I just humiliate her to the point where she figures the site is too stressful. What have I accomplished? At best, I've now skewed the male / female ratio ever so slightly to my own disadvantage in that particular city. By leaving her alone and letting her continue her quest, she can serve as a distraction for any fools that might be thinking with their little head. Let her be their problem -- if they are wasting time on her, they aren't wasting time and making offers on girls I'm more interested in so I look at it like I don't want to chase any girls away from the site. Even the bad ones serve a purpose, as sort of bait for morons if you will.

I should point out, that the rule I just mentioned is not the same was what I describe in post #11671 at this link (specifically tip #2):

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=2919909&viewfull=1#post2919909[/URL]

The key to practicing turning sassy GPS girls into discount babes is simply a game sharpening excercise that is best done in cities outside normal playing zone. And I only do this when I already have the rotation I want and have a light work load (I. E. Too much free time on my hands and want to make the most of an active website account). If I know I'm only going to have a few days to line up an SB for last minute trip, I wouldn't waste the effort on flipping GPS girls at all, and I would definitely never do it in cities I visit.

But even still, flipping GPS girls is still never about returning their rudeness or telling them what we really think of them, as tempting as it may be sometimes. That's more the art of using their own ego to your advantage and getting them to modify their behavior and attitude without ever letting things escalate to the point of hard feelings. I look at it like if she's really that delusional, she's just a snotty little cnt that's not worth my keystrokes or for me to read what she has to say, so I just put her in ignore mode and its a done deal.

FFA. Madaboutmax is correct. This thread is more civil than the other sb threads out there. The other threads tend to be a swapping of names, as you've already pointed out. At one point this forum was essentially the defacto national forum.

Historically, this used to be a place where brothers could speak there mind, and any disagreements were generally cast as alternative advice or a "hey, I probably wouldn't use that approach, since X, Y, and Z are things that would concern me. ".

There was always the exception to that rule, and sadly more recently the exception began to swallow the rule. Literal2/Admin had to delete posts of squabbles between mongers. There easy enough to find if you scroll through. Hopefully though this board will return to its former glory.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3096569]Aha! Yes, you SDs around there do seem to be in a pot of honey. I have always wondered why Richmond. I had a GF from there once, and she was fine, but.

I peruse the arrangement threads in other geo areas at times, and some seem to be only thinly veiled BP equivalents, and most messaging isn't about the chase, but the price / performance. Here in SoCal I think there are real arrangements, and they seem to be there also. I have one, am working on others.[/QUOTE]

Good to be back, Fish. I've still been playing in the game, though I went through a period where I was coupled for a bit. My most recent Bowl Game has been working out my "GPS radar" and seeing how much I can get away with. I've had a couple adventures where I took some 500-1000 per meet girls and got them broken down to MY offering (generally 150-250). It's been a thrill getting them worked up to the point where they are less concerned with price point and more willing to be tamed. But as time has gone by, I've tired of even that. Always looking for the next new thrill. Oye. I'm an addict, to be sure. Might need to start trying some of your tactics and get into the Need-a-tutor Game! LOL.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3093105]I've been avoiding SA recently because of all the hassles associated with that kind of attitude. These days I've been posting ads for part time language tutors (Korean, Spanish, French); models so that I can increase my photography portfolio (I paid $350 for a fancy dslr camera); help with spreadsheets (work from the convenience of your own home! Personal shopper (I need an outfit for an event), etc.

The rate of girls that show up for an interview for a real job are astronomically higher than for a m&g. I also found that they don't have the same preconceived notions. Many have heard of SA, and know what it's about, but would never consider sleeping with a stranger for money.

Luckily for me, there are a few that wouldn't mind sleeping with their student (I. E. Spanish tutor), have a fetishist involving a photo shoot, etc. My current rotation includes my spreadsheet baby and former personal assistant.

More importantly, welcome back to the forum brother. It's probably been about two years since I've seen a post from you on this forum?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;3094152]My Brothers. I have a POT who works nights closer to my location but lives farther away. She suggested getting her into a room that I book online in her name in the morning and actually FC in the afternoon which is my preferred time.

So what is easier and less awkward to pull off. Early check in or late check out? The latter may be a little awkward with checking in just a few hours before closing time![/QUOTE]Why not both? If the hotel isn't full the night before you can check in early, and then get a 4 pm late check-out the next day.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3096569]Aha! Yes, you SDs around there do seem to be in a pot of honey. I have always wondered why Richmond.[/QUOTE]As far as why the Richmond thread took off, I'd suspect it has to do with geographic placement of the city (proximity to multiple disparate east coast cities), and the fact that there are a lot of college girls without a strong job market there. VCU has been on a few repeated lists of colleges with the most SBs over the past 4-5 years or so, and I'm sure that created plenty of interest. With vast amounts of inexpensive pussy available just north of Richmond, I'd imagine many guys don't limit their play to only this area.

I'd like to think the thread has become slightly more geographically appropriate lately. For a long time, pretty much everyone discussing SBs seemed to gravitate to the Richmond thread. Then, mercifully, a lot of city-specific threads started showing up, many of which are about reviewing and / or swapping UTR girls local to that city. I say mercifully because the Richmond thread was just growing too large and unwieldy, and people were using it as a daily diary of who they fucked last night in some cases. Then we had occasional transients who would stop in just to cause trouble, in which case they were reported to the admin by yours truly for a bit of thread pruning and message deleting. I suspect they will not be the last trouble makers that require admin intervention, but at least if there is still trouble now, it's not all concentrated in one thread like it used to be.

As someone who operates in different cities, I can attest that SBs are not all the same wherever you go. I find myself often adjusting my game slightly depending on where the girl is. There are a few cities like Miami, LA, Vegas, NYC that just seem to have their own sort of dating ecosystem that's wildly different than other US cities. Of course, some girls are travelers too thus cannot really be categorized, but I point this out because it makes for much more productive discussion to put things like daily diary of activities in LA in the LA thread, and so forth, than to just keep adding tens of thousands of posts to a single thread to see if we can finally reach the upper limit of phpbb's capabilities and crash the thing.

I think the improvements have paid off. If you read any of the threads in the other cities, they consider the Richmond thread the best source of info. I know I try to keep my posts as non geographically-specific as possible, and I try to refrain from the show-and-tell behavior of reporting back with what girls I banged or jizzed in their mouth just for the sake of it. I try to post things that hopefully add some value to the overall game of the bowl, and I think historically most of the others that post to the Richmond thread try to do the same.

For the most part the Richmond thread has a decent vibe of "contribute and learn". I'm not sure the other cities threads are as much about that as they are about bragging, posting reviews, and swapping phone numbers. Not that I can blame them since that's kind of the point of USASG, I just think they are missing the point of an SB versus an escort.

Lebruno caught a great story about someone putting flyers up for SD 4 ME near a college campus. Guess that enterprising brother is pushing the game to new heights.

If you have any success with my method, please report back. Would love to learn from others as well. My go to line is to offer to take them to dinner for a job well done. When I meet them, I generally start with, "wow, you look amazing. If we're not careful, the folks here are going to think you're my sugar baby and not my (insert Personal Shopper, Tutor, Nanny, Dog Walker). ".

If they don't know what being a sb is all about, it's a great way to begin that conversation. If they know about it, it's a great way to take things to the next level.

[QUOTE=Donatello;3097454]Good to be back, Fish. I've still been playing in the game, though I went through a period where I was coupled for a bit. My most recent Bowl Game has been working out my "GPS radar" and seeing how much I can get away with. I've had a couple adventures where I took some 500-1000 per meet girls and got them broken down to MY offering (generally 150-250). It's been a thrill getting them worked up to the point where they are less concerned with price point and more willing to be tamed. But as time has gone by, I've tired of even that. Always looking for the next new thrill. Oye. I'm an addict, to be sure. Might need to start trying some of your tactics and get into the Need-a-tutor Game! LOL.[/QUOTE]