I Disagree Re The Law When Legally Catting A Firearm
[QUOTE=JustinCider904;5889247]I mostly agree with this position. BL absolutely did the right thing, by backing out without incident. It is generally in the best interest of the shooter to make sure the victim is dead if you have to shoot. This is what law enforcement is taught regardless of what they say publicly, it is also why they don't seek medical assistance in most matters. Dead men don't talk is the mantra they are told over and over. Leaving only the shooters story with no counter-argument. Personally I have mixed feelings on this that go way deeper than this post, but it has been an effective defense for murder for decades.
With that said. Unless you report the incident and invoke Marsy's law, carrying a firearm with intent to commit a crime (even if the firearm was never intended to be used for said crime) is a felony.[/QUOTE]Not making this into an argument, but for the record, any person engaged in a criminal offense as defined under FL Statute 790.07 (1) and (2) is charged with having a weapon even if said weapon is not shown or carried. But under said statute, you must be committing one of eighteen felonies described in the code, such as murder. Arson, carjacking, aggravated assault, etc. BUT, the FL statute does not include solicitation as one of the 18 delineated crimes! So, reading the law instead of just giving my two-cents, it is clear that a monger legally carrying a gun and going to see a provider is not committing a felony just because he is carrying a gun! Intent or lack thereof is not an issue! Of course, if a monger pulls it out and waves it around saying he is a bad-ass, that is a different crime.
Ok, here is where FL Law gets cool: those DB that tried to rob B L committed an additional felony because they carried knives while attempting to rob B L. Robbery is one of the 18 listed felonies that can lead to an additional weapons charge. And it applies to much more than a firearm!
In fact, all this buzz over carrying a gun is misinformation because under FL Statute 790.07 (1) and (2) a weapon for purposes of Florida law and criminal penalties includes a gun, any size knife, tear gas, tazar, pepper spray, brass knuckles and many other things, even if you only carry them! WTF – if I am carrying a small pocket knife or sissy pepper spray and see a provider I am able to be charged with a felony even if I am only seeing a provider? No! And also same is you legally carry a gun and see a provider, you cannot be charged with a felony for that. But, if she says you tried to rape her after breaking in, then gun, pen knife or sissy pepper spray in your pocket all could result in a felony charge (but probably not a conviction since your phone shows you were invited, so she will be seen as a liar).
Bottomline, you can get nailed for carrying almost anything if you commit a felony, but seeing a provider is not a felony in Florida. So, relax mongers and avoid the misinformation, it is not an issue unless you do commit a felony.
Please don't relax and assume
[QUOTE=LowBaller;5889461]Not making this into an argument, but for the record, any person engaged in a criminal offense as defined under FL Statute 790.07 (1) and (2) is charged with having a weapon even if said weapon is not shown or carried. But under said statute, you must be committing one of eighteen felonies described in the code, such as murder. Arson, carjacking, aggravated assault, etc. BUT, the FL statute does not include solicitation as one of the 18 delineated crimes! So, reading the law instead of just giving my two-cents, it is clear that a monger legally carrying a gun and going to see a provider is not committing a felony just because he is carrying a gun! Intent or lack thereof is not an issue! Of course, if a monger pulls it out and waves it around saying he is a bad-ass, that is a different crime.
Ok, here is where FL Law gets cool: those DB that tried to rob B L committed an additional felony because they carried knives while attempting to rob B L. Robbery is one of the 18 listed felonies that can lead to an additional weapons charge. And it applies to much more than a firearm!
In fact, all this buzz over carrying a gun is misinformation because under FL Statute 790.07 (1) and (2) a weapon for purposes of Florida law and criminal penalties includes a gun, any size knife, tear gas, tazar, pepper spray, brass knuckles and many other things, even if you only carry them! WTF if I am carrying a small pocket knife or sissy pepper spray and see a provider I am able to be charged with a felony even if I am only seeing a provider? No! And also same is you legally carry a gun and see a provider, you cannot be charged with a felony for that. But, if she says you tried to rape her after breaking in, then gun, pen knife or sissy pepper spray in your pocket all could result in a felony charge (but probably not a conviction since your phone shows you were invited, so she will be seen as a liar).
Bottomline, you can get nailed for carrying almost anything if you commit a felony, but seeing a provider is not a felony in Florida. So, relax mongers and avoid the misinformation, it is not an issue unless you do commit a felony.[/QUOTE]While part of what you say is true, it is not misinformation. Your post has inclusion and exclusion of information to make your argument true. This is a common tactic the media and politicians uses to convince people of their perceived plight, anger, discrimination etc.
Actual full line of Florida statue: (1) Whoever, while committing or attempting to commit any felony or while under indictment, displays, uses, threatens, or attempts to use any weapon or electric weapon or device or carries a concealed weapon is guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
Notice the attempting to commit line. This is an intentional arbitrary line. What defines attempt? This is where lawyers and juries are left to perception. And depending on who the defendant, victim, jury, judge, and jurisdiction are heavily affects how this is perceived. Attempting does not have to mean, I grabbed you and tried to steal your things. It could mean I entered the room I was invited into and brandished a gun to intimidate you into giving me something (such as sex for free instead of the agreed upon amount or actual robbery, both are felonies). This brings me to where I clarified in my next post, which was totally omitted in your post. "Under most circumstances this will not apply to any of us because most soliciting charges are misdemeanors, however; as someone else pointed out. If they (the provider and DB) wanted to argue you tried to rob THEM and they were protecting themselves, now you are in armed robbery territory. And it is multiple words against yours. Depending on who you know, what you look like, your profession, and your criminal history will greatly effect how this turns out. But it can absolutely be a nightmare for you for years, even if you "win" in the end. ".
It is a complete fallacy to assume the law is on your side. There are so many tactics a victim, or scam artist, or anyone can use to manipulate the law against you. By estimates, up to 10% of people in prison are innocent. There are about 2 million people in prison in the US at any given moment, that is 200,000 innocent people behind bars. And I would bet most of them thought the law was on their side. Just because you perceive the way a law SHOULD be, doesn't mean it is actually like that. If you think your word (the word of someone by their own admission is about to commit a crime) will be accepted as gospel, it is a quick ticket to prison. I do not bring up these situations to be argumentative or oppositional, but to be informative. I would prefer actual bad guys go to jail, instead of those of us trying to have relations between two (or more) consulting adults. It is common that those that have not had direct relationships with the law (either through defense, as a victim, attorney, or even a bailiff) has a misconception and distortion of what actually plays out in court. Trust me when I say, it is not what the media tells you, its not what politicians tell you, its not what you learned in K-12. It is much darker and less just than that. And what happens on the streets is even worse. It is not the police's job to catch bad guys, it is to arrest and fine people to justify their bloated budgets. Although they are not legally allowed to call them such, they all have quotas. It is not their job to decern what is right and wrong, or who the victim or defendant is. It is to arrest them and let the courts decide, either through a judge or jury; whether said person is innocent or not.
Good point but,.there's always more to the story
[QUOTE=JustinCider904;5890386]While part of what you say is true, it is not misinformation. Your post has inclusion and exclusion of information to make your argument true. This is a common tactic the media and politicians uses to convince people of their perceived plight, anger, discrimination etc.
Actual full line of Florida statue: (1) Whoever, while committing or attempting to commit any felony or while under indictment, displays, uses, threatens, or attempts to use any weapon or electric weapon or device or carries a concealed weapon is guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
Notice the attempting to commit line. This is an intentional arbitrary line. What defines attempt? This is where lawyers and juries are left to perception. And depending on who the defendant, victim, jury, judge, and jurisdiction are heavily affects how this is perceived. Attempting does not have to mean, I grabbed you and tried to steal your things. It could mean I entered the room I was invited into and brandished a gun to intimidate you into giving me something (such as sex for free instead of the agreed upon amount or actual robbery, both are felonies). This brings me to where I clarified in my next post, which was totally omitted in your post. "Under most circumstances this will not apply to any of us because most soliciting charges are misdemeanors, however; as someone else pointed out. If they (the provider and DB) wanted to argue you tried to rob THEM and they were protecting themselves, now you are in armed robbery territory. And it is multiple words against yours. Depending on who you know, what you look like, your profession, and your criminal history will greatly effect how this turns out. But it can absolutely be a nightmare for you for years, even if you "win" in the end. ".
It is a complete fallacy to assume the law is on your side. There are so many tactics a victim, or scam artist, or anyone can use to manipulate the law against you. By estimates, up to 10% of people in prison are innocent. There are about 2 million people in prison in the US at any given moment, that is 200,000 innocent people behind bars. And I would bet most of them thought the law was on their side. Just because you perceive the way a law SHOULD be, doesn't mean it is actually like that. If you think your word (the word of someone by their own admission is about to commit a crime) will be accepted as gospel, it is a quick ticket to prison. I do not bring up these situations to be argumentative or oppositional, but to be informative. I would prefer actual bad guys go to jail, instead of those of us trying to have relations between two (or more) consulting adults. It is common that those that have not had direct relationships with the law (either through defense, as a victim, attorney, or even a bailiff) has a misconception and distortion of what actually plays out in court. Trust me when I say, it is not what the media tells you, its not what politicians tell you, its not what you learned in K-12. It is much darker and less just than that. And what happens on the streets is even worse. It is not the police's job to catch bad guys, it is to arrest and fine people to justify their bloated budgets. Although they are not legally allowed to call them such, they all have quotas. It is not their job to decern what is right and wrong, or who the victim or defendant is. It is to arrest them and let the courts decide, either through a judge or jury; whether said person is innocent or not.[/QUOTE]I'll just add this. Many holders of a CCW permit don’t remember all of what they read or were taught about where you cannot carry. Places like Court Houses, Airports, Schools, Premises openly serving alcohol readily come to mind but then there's also a place of nuisance. Don't remember that one or just skimmed over it? If you're unlucky enough to have a ambitious Prosecutor you might fall victim to a common prosecutorial tactic of overcharging someone then later reducing the charge. Each time you get charged again, you get arrested again and go through the process a second or third time. A friend went through this tactic for him to plea out. So, back to a place of nuisance. A place of prostitution qualifies and is mentioned in the Fla Statute. Then there's a place or location that's had a couple of armed robberies, assault and battery over a six month period, that too qualifies as a place of nuisance. Well, that rules out any hotel on Youngerman. So, if you're carrying in a place of nuisance be aware you may not be on as stable ground as you may think. Prosecutors have lots of ability to make life miserable in an already bad situation. Just be aware and be safe, evaluate your own circumstances, and continually assess your situation. USCCA isn't a bad option to have if a situation turns out bad.
Thanks. Agree What We Learned In K-12 Is Not All That True
[QUOTE=JustinCider904;5890386]While part of what you say is true, it is not misinformation. Your post has inclusion and exclusion of information to make your argument true. This is a common tactic the media and politicians uses to convince people of their perceived plight, anger, discrimination etc.
Actual full line of Florida statue: (1) Whoever, while committing or attempting to commit any felony or while under indictment, displays, uses, threatens, or attempts to use any weapon or electric weapon or device or carries a concealed weapon is guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
Notice the attempting to commit line. This is an intentional arbitrary line. What defines attempt? This is where lawyers and juries are left to perception. And depending on who the defendant, victim, jury, judge, and jurisdiction are heavily affects how this is perceived. Attempting does not have to mean, I grabbed you and tried to steal your things. It could mean I entered the room I was invited into and brandished a gun to intimidate you into giving me something (such as sex for free instead of the agreed upon amount or actual robbery, both are felonies).[/QUOTE]Thanks, I do agree. Who does not remember learning about little George Washington cutting down a cherry tree and since he could not tell a lie he told the truth? And her was such a great guy, just like all the other founding fathers. Then we learn they were not perfect and it was baloney we were told in school. Yes, I agree with you! And the law is not on our side most of the time. Scouting was so all-American and wonderful until the dark secrets of scout leader sexual abuse and cover-up by the BSA brought them to bankruptcy. And cops are not bad but they are human and sometimes shaft people. Agreed. Thanks.
But, I must on my own fork off to the fairytale road to mongers' feeling about providers. We mongers get emotional when a provider lets us screw her puss and then calls us baby and says how we are her favorite guy, etc. Its easy for a provider to make us feel that we are special to her, how good we feel inside her. After all playing our emotions is an important part of how she makes a living. Mongers, it all is a fairytale! We are only $ in a provider's eyes. When we wake up and learn the truth we will not get sucked into over paying them. Sad but true, much of what we have been told or made to feel is just not true. Providers see us as $ and they need $ every day. We are horny and willing to give them some $ if they give us some relief. It is a money focused exchange and we need to be like Rick on Pawn Stars, learn to negotiate and say no if what the provider asks is crazy high.
The vaginal inflation index
Seems to be pretty real. The combination of the hiring market too. Because I'm looking through social media and I'm seeing some chics gets jobs who barely ever had any. So yeah, 60 is almost gone, and 80 is on its way out, it seems. So the only option is pay it, spank and pay it less often, and just wait out a market correction if there is any?
Please spare us the right wing polemic!
[QUOTE=FredTed1;5932288]Just remember that you voted for that gas, food, cars, loans, vystar crashing etc. I'm just taking a wild guess that there's mostly left leaning party voters in here and since you didn't mention why all the prices are up I'm guessing you're one. Only one thing is going to bring the prices back down and it's going to be until about March 2025 if it happens.[/QUOTE]Can I not even read a fuck board without being subjected to off-topic Biden-bashing neo-fascist bullshit? Your assumption about your fellow mongers' political predelictions is absurd & ignoring your Putin-fluffing fanboy's role in setting the stage for the current (global) inflation is absolutely typical. Take it to the goddamn Woodshed!
As for the actual topic: in my experience, the "donation" rates were at their highest about 10 years ago, when inflation was low, the economy was booming & the political right was apoplectic about a Black man in the White House.
Money in politics and lobbying
I don't know about your anecdotes and personal attacks so I'll focus on the 3rd statement.
Money in politics should be a no brainer by now just about everyone supports the idea (term limits, no more lobbying, and remove money from elections). Please research which party is blocking that progress for the last 10 years at the very least and reflect on it.
In regards to abortion again, it is a bit unfair to ask them (democrats) to do anything when everyone knows (including yourself) anything divisive has zero chance in a 50-50 split senate.
[QUOTE=RedTalon;5935829]I'm old enough to remember back to the Carter administration. I was farming at that time and it was really, really bad. That being said, I've never seen an administration literally fuck up everything they touch. They keep touting the unemployment number, of course it's going to be low! You literally locked people out of where they worked for over a year, they are just going back to their jobs!
Biden makes a statement in front of the world, the Whitehouse walks it back. Who is pulling his strings? He walks around like someone is sticking a huge key in his back and winding him up every few hours. Total gaffe machine, Carrie's notes for everything and still can't make coherent statements.
If you put in term limits, let's say 2 for a senator and 4 for a state rep plus severely limit how much money they can make in office plus no lobbying when they are out that would help.
Plus, it's all about poll numbers. If the abortion issue was so important, the Democrats could have introduced legislation on day one since they control of the house, senate and president. But, not a work was said until the public started gnashing their teeth about Roe. VS. Wade. Neither side is any good but I have heard a lot more crazy ass shit from Democrats over the Republicans.[/QUOTE]
Stop why'all's political rants
Stop the condemnation and get a condom.
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