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[/QUOTE]LOL, I can't believe anyone who do this. If she was harassing him you can say she is doing that and add a little more by saying you fear for you life. Never admit to any favors for money. If she say that you did you deny it and if they persists you let an attorney handle it.
[QUOTE=Vbgent4u2c; 1169570]Since I will be there on business discretion is key. So I can't risk being seen with a high profile well reviewed professional or want to risk that the escort I choose is being "monitored" by LE that particular day.
Hence the UTR lady request.
The post wasn't meant to start a discussion about the pros and cons of UTR over other service providers.
It was a genuine request and will be reciprocated when / if someone comes to the Norfolk / VB area. [/QUOTE]I didn't doubt that your request was genuine. Sometimes when you ask for help, it's good for the person trying to help to understand why you include a specific requirement. That's all. Good luck in your quest.
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[/QUOTE]Yeah, what an idiot. Probably not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
On the other hand, it is truly absurd that paying for sex is illegal.
If you take a lady out to a nice dinner and she 'returns the favor' with sex, that is perfectly fine. But if you give her a dollar for her efforts, it suddenly becomes a crime? Ridiculous.
If we weren't fighting this and the war on drugs, look at all the money that would be available to fight the real crimes? How about the woman that works in an office that tries to fuck her way to the top? How is that any different?
[QUOTE=Jt Lancer; 1169767]Yeah, what an idiot. Probably not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
On the other hand, it is truly absurd that paying for sex is illegal.
If you take a lady out to a nice dinner and she 'returns the favor' with sex, that is perfectly fine. But if you give her a dollar for her efforts, it suddenly becomes a crime? Ridiculous. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NC Transplant;1169811]If we weren't fighting this and the war on drugs, look at all the money that would be available to fight the real crimes? How about the woman that works in an office that tries to fuck her way to the top? How is that any different?[/QUOTE]Agreed. The war on (some) drugs is a national abomination.
Did you know that the US imprisons more of its own citizens (per capita) than any nation on Earth? This is largely due to the criminalization of drugs.
'Land of the Free' my ass.
A large percentage of the crime is over drugs. Let them have their garbage and take the profit out of it. Maybe 1% of the population use Meth so they make it hard for ALL of us to even buy some cold pills and in some states like KY they are talking about requiring a RX to get some darn Sudafed. Seems like these politicians should have more pressing problems to worry about? Like CREATING SOME JOBS!
[QUOTE=Jt Lancer; 1169861]Agreed. The war on (some) drugs is a national abomination.
Did you know that the US imprisons more of its own citizens (per capita) than any nation on Earth? This is largely due to the criminalization of drugs.
'Land of the Free' my ass. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jt Lancer; 1169767]Yeah, what an idiot. Probably not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
On the other hand, it is truly absurd that paying for sex is illegal.
If you take a lady out to a nice dinner and she 'returns the favor' with sex, that is perfectly fine. But if you give her a dollar for her efforts, it suddenly becomes a crime? Ridiculous. [/QUOTE]I think it's funny the reporter's name is Kimberly Dick!
Backpage is considered a "social networking site" if you notice they said a "social networking site where ads were placed" so I really don't see how us being more diligent would change anything. We don't place the ads we answer them. And since we arent placing them we couldn't be caught in this type of sting. Now if it had said they caught johns instead of escorts by placing a fake ad well then you might have a reason to call for more diligence.
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[url]http://triblocal.com/joliet/2011/02/16/joliet-prostitution-sting-nets-nearly-two-dozen-prostitutes-customers/[/url]
Reading the article, the vice used a "social networking site" to catch eleven would-be customers. This is why we must be diligent. [/QUOTE]
I'm not sure whats it's like where your from, but anyone that you come in contact with who "recognizes" your provider would probably only recognize her if he had seen her himself, so I highly doubt they would say anything, it's not like these girls are celebrities, they arent well known and no one but the guys that have seen them would recognize them (except maybe for our local celebrity "Classy Cissy" who has been in the news a little bit lately.
This reminds me of a story I saw a comedian tell recently, he had done some extra work for porn movies no actual sex just face shots that were used as stock footage. One of his freinds told him "m, an I woudl never do that" the comedian asked "why?" his freind replied "well what if they use that stock footage in a gay porn?" the comedian thought about it a minute and replied "ok but who is going to tell?" I doubt anyone is going to come right out and say "hey I just saw you in a gay porn movie" so if one of our friends said anything my first thought would be "why are you watching gay porn"
Sorry for the long story, but I think it relates, if a "business associate" in Charlotte knows your provider I doubt he would walk up to you and say "hey I know that girl she's a prostitute" and his wife and any other business colleagues who hear that will be thinking "hmm how does HE know she is a prostitue?"
As for the girls being "monitored" I doubt the Charlotte police waste their time monitoring all the known providers, if you go see a legitimate provider (and it's easy to find legitimate providers) your chances of getting busted are so low it's not even worth mentioning. 99% of busts are either when a cop posts a fake ad that some stupid / unlucky john answers, or when a cop answers a legitimate ad and busts the girl who placed it. You don't get a legitimate John meeting a legitimate escort and see them get busted, It's not like picking up a streetwalker and having to find a semi secluded spot to do a quick BJ in your car where anyone can walk up and see you, cops can't prove what happened behind closed doors unless they were behind them too.
[QUOTE=Vbgent4u2c; 1169570]Since I will be there on business discretion is key. So I can't risk being seen with a high profile well reviewed professional or want to risk that the escort I choose is being "monitored" by LE that particular day.
Hence the UTR lady request.
The post wasn't meant to start a discussion about the pros and cons of UTR over other service providers.
It was a genuine request and will be reciprocated when / if someone comes to the Norfolk / VB area. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ConcordGuy; 1170841]I'm not sure whats it's like where your from, but anyone that you come in contact with who "recognizes" your provider would probably only recognize her if he had seen her himself, so I highly doubt they would say anything, it's not like these girls are celebrities, they arent well known and no one but the guys that have seen them would recognize them (except maybe for our local celebrity "Classy Cissy" who has been in the news a little bit lately.
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[/QUOTE]Concord, I admire your attempt to apply common sense to this issue, although it may not be otherwise appreciated. I had a similar take myself (minus the long story LOL). Of the few UTR providers I know about, none would be good at blending into a typical business entertainment setting, unless you include one who just recently went UTR after running ads and having her own website, etc. The reason they go UTR is to save their own skin, not in order to make their clients less conspicuous. Many discreet escorts don't show their faces in their ads, so, like you say, a business contact would have to have patronized her himself, which isn't necessarily less likely to have happened with an UTR provider. If a contact were to recognize her, I suppose he could cause damage without speaking up, but like they say, if you're looking to eliminate risk, the best course is to stay home with a magazine.
[QUOTE=Curt828;1170945]Concord, I admire your attempt to apply common sense to this issue, although it may not be otherwise appreciated. I had a similar take myself (minus the long story LOL). Of the few UTR providers I know about, none would be good at blending into a typical business entertainment setting, unless you include one who just recently went UTR after running ads and having her own website, etc. The reason they go UTR is to save their own skin, not in order to make their clients less conspicuous. Many discreet escorts don't show their faces in their ads, so, like you say, a business contact would have to have patronized her himself, which isn't necessarily less likely to have happened with an UTR provider. If a contact were to recognize her, I suppose he could cause damage without speaking up, but like they say, if you're looking to eliminate risk, the best course is to stay home with a magazine.[/QUOTE]Wow. Really? I mean REALLY?
I have to say I am somewhat amused by how you both have taken a very simple request from a long time SM, analyzed it and turned it into some great debate. LOL!
I believe there is also some inconsistency between what we define as UTR. I would not define a lady as UTR that has recently or ever been an escort. Simply because once she has advertised her name, pics, phone number and reviews are out there pretty much forever. My definition of a UTR is a lady that never advertised and often is being a provider to just help ends meet.
I never said I was worried about an escort being recognized. However I would be concerned about a well dressed, sexy woman showing up at my hotel room door. Only to leave an hour or so later and someone noticing. I guarantee someone would unless she came to see me after 2AM. Of course you will say I could go to her incall location, but there have been several prolific busts in my area recently and since I don't know your area I will not take that chance. Hence the request for info on a UTR lady in your area! Really!
I have made this request in a few other cities and usually I get one or two numbers for exactly what I am looking for and I have reciprocated in kind with a few of those SM's. My request has never been jumped on and beaten to death like it has here.
Where I am from I have 4 UTR ladies I see on a regular basis. They are all under 25, hot and talented. Since all but one is a single mom they have their own place so they can host. They don't advertise, probably are very low volume (but I can't be for sure now can I) and generally very appreciative.
Also, since they don't have the expenses and risk that FT escorts have their rates are much, much less.
So, analyze away, but it really isn't that complicated. You either know one or two UTR ladies or you don't. THAT is the long and short of it. My guess is you don't know of any, so my suggestion to you would be using your time more efficiently and GO FIND some nice UTR ladies instead of questioning my request! You will be glad you did!
[QUOTE=Vbgent4u2c; 1171043]Wow. Really? I mean REALLY?
I have to say I am somewhat amused by how you both have taken a very simple request from a long time SM, analyzed it and turned it into some great debate. LOL! [/QUOTE]All I can say is welcome to the Charlotte forum, where analyzing the shit out of everything is the norm.
As the future Mayor of Charlotte, I offer you a cool-to-lukewarm welcome to our threads here. While you may be a long-time SM, I remind you that you are basically a guest (visitor) to our home here. Maybe you could act like one? ConcordGuy is a respected contributor to our threads here.
I appreciate your interest in dating a UTR girl. Frankly, I think they are the best. But UTR relationships are built on a great amount of trust. As you know, these girls are not pros, which is why they stay UTR. BTW, I am currently seeing a 19 year old UTR who I know absolutely is not seeing other mongers. She has a steady BF and I just help her with rent money. I have been seeing her for almost a year now, and we share a mutual trust. Because of this trust between us, I cannot imagine giving her contact info to someone I do not know personally, even if he is a SM with 400 posts. I cannot even imagine asking her if I could do that. I have had 3 other UTR relationships in the past 5 years here in Charlotte, and I never shared any info with any other mongerer here, not even ones that I frequently share private messages with (sorry guys).
I guess I'm just saying that your request seems a bit odd, and that I don't blame ConcordGuy for trying to understand your request a little better. On the other hand, you write that you have had some success getting intel on some of the threads on UTR girls in other cities. I'm intrigued by that.
Peace, JM (future Mayor of Charlotte)
[QUOTE=Vbgent4u2c; 1171043]Wow. Really? I mean REALLY?
I have to say I am somewhat amused by how you both have taken a very simple request from a long time SM, analyzed it and turned it into some great debate. LOL!
I believe there is also some inconsistency between what we define as UTR. I would not define a lady as UTR that has recently or ever been an escort. Simply because once she has advertised her name, pics, phone number and reviews are out there pretty much forever. My definition of a UTR is a lady that never advertised and often is being a provider to just help ends meet.
I never said I was worried about an escort being recognized. However I would be concerned about a well dressed, sexy woman showing up at my hotel room door. Only to leave an hour or so later and someone noticing. I guarantee someone would unless she came to see me after 2AM. Of course you will say I could go to her incall location, but there have been several prolific busts in my area recently and since I don't know your area I will not take that chance. Hence the request for info on a UTR lady in your area! Really!
I have made this request in a few other cities and usually I get one or two numbers for exactly what I am looking for and I have reciprocated in kind with a few of those SM's. My request has never been jumped on and beaten to death like it has here.
Where I am from I have 4 UTR ladies I see on a regular basis. They are all under 25, hot and talented. Since all but one is a single mom they have their own place so they can host. They don't advertise, probably are very low volume (but I can't be for sure now can I) and generally very appreciative.
Also, since they don't have the expenses and risk that FT escorts have their rates are much, much less.
So, analyze away, but it really isn't that complicated. You either know one or two UTR ladies or you don't. THAT is the long and short of it. My guess is you don't know of any, so my suggestion to you would be using your time more efficiently and GO FIND some nice UTR ladies instead of questioning my request! You will be glad you did! [/QUOTE]
Months after our first appt fell through, and after a few more canceled tours through the Carolinas, I finally spent an action packed hour with Summer (Summer19 on EscortsDotCom) yesterday in Charlotte. I'm not sure if she's moved on to Raleigh by now or what. She told me she's not crazy about detailed reviews, so I'll just tell you here that she's very highly recommended, and more than lives up to all the great things others have already posted on the Erotic site and elsewhere. So if she ever makes it back to town, raid your children's college fund, forge some checks or do whatever it takes to treat yourself.
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