"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

So my personal assistant finally turned me onto Snapchat. It's great. To keep my interest in her piqued she downloaded it on my phone and created an account using "Bob" as her screen name. Then she created an account for me.

Today she sent me a "snap" video of her playing with herself in class. I watched it while at work. Made it really hard to focus.

Best part about it is that the videos automatically disappear after they are viewed. No incriminating evidence if the SO ever goes through the phone. I make sure to logout when I'm home though since it sends notifications of messages when they come in. Would be hard to explain why Bob is sending snap videos of a girl touching herself.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3091561]So my personal assistant finally turned me onto Snapchat. It's great. To keep my interest in her piqued she downloaded it on my phone and created an account using "Bob" as her screen name. Then she created an account for me.

Today she sent me a "snap" video of her playing with herself in class. I watched it while at work. Made it really hard to focus.

Best part about it is that the videos automatically disappear after they are viewed. No incriminating evidence if the SO ever goes through the phone. I make sure to logout when I'm home though since it sends notifications of messages when they come in. Would be hard to explain why Bob is sending snap videos of a girl touching herself.[/QUOTE]Fish, this is sincere. That you know the correct usage and spelling of 'pique' speaks volumes. Not to Polish our own apple, but to be in this game, I believe you have to have some smarts.

Someone recently posted they couldn't believe some of their babies had graduated high school. How often do girls use 'peak', or even 'peek' instead of the right word in their profile? Lots. Luckily, sometimes the dumb ones really are hot or like to fuck, and it can be easier to get them.

I can share my experience with this, from back in the "I was married" days, when a discreet SB in an apartment was something I was open to trying, to avoid the need for hotel rooms. The TL; DR version is "nope, never again, even though it didn't explode on me when I did it, once. ".

As some of my past posts have indicated, I don't mind aiming at the 30's-40's range, although the approach is certainly different than with the 20-somethings. In this case, I happened to meet a milfy upper-thirties lady, with more tattoos than I have ever seen on one person before, and a crazy number of piercings. I actually think that look is attractive, so I stopped to say hello. (This wasn't online. She actually was walking with her 6 year old kid in my neighborhood, and I hadn't seen her before. Cute shorts, belly shirt, tats on full display, unbelievably athletic legs.) Yes, this was a little less than discreet, since I was actually in front of my house at the time, but you'd be surprised how many women are actually open to affairs, especially when you are situated in a nice house, with a nice car in the driveway, and you're well-dressed when you say hello. (Now, in my more cynical days, I'm surprised I was never busted by this, but, to be honest, NONE of the sugar affairs I had ended up with any threats like that. I was just clear up-front about my situation, and let them decide whether or not they wanted to get involved in it.).

I chatted with her a few, and then mentioned that my insanely jealous SO was about to come home and chew me out for talking to a cute blonde lady, so I'd love to get her number, and figure out a time for lunch. She hesitated a moment, then agreed. I gave her a call the next day, and we set up lunch at a nearby casual restaurant. Talking with her, it was pretty clear that she was not wrapped too tightly. She was unemployed, had been divorced FIVE times, and still had some income from palimony and alimony, but it wasn't really getting her by. She was crashing with friends, for a few weeks at a time, before moving on to new friends, and all of her stuff was in storage, so I thought this was an obvious time to mention that I was thinking about renting a little apartment, just because things weren't great at home, and having somewhere to step out for quiet would be a welcome option. She asked if maybe she and the young one could crash there sometimes, if I did, and I agreed. I had actually been looking at a nearby place that had been advertised at my work, for a garage apartment at $500 a month, utilities included. I stopped by and visited it, and decided it wasn't bad. I rented it for 6 months, and let them know that my GF might be staying with me, so there wouldn't be any surprises.

I took a day off, and helped her move her stuff in from storage, with the agreement that she would be paying $250 on a monthly basis to share the apartment. The first thing we moved in was her mattress, and, as her kid was at school, we made use of it immediately, before getting the rest of the stuff. I can say that the crazy ones are very often the best in bed, and this lady was no exception, in any way. She asked me if I'd be open to lunch the next day, and I agreed, so I started regularly heading out to see her over my lunch break, though it was really a dessert break, since no lunch was had. I did make sure to take her and the kid out to dinner once or twice a week, and she started insisting on cooking.

Now, to make this clear, she never got around to paying any rent, in the five months that she was there. She did write me a check once, but I never got around to cashing it. She would ask for grocery money once a week, and I'd give her a hundred in cash to cover it, without asking where it went. She did cook well, and I'm sure that she socked away or found used for the extra. On days when my SO would be out of town, or when I could extend a legitimate work trip by an extra day, I would stay overnight with her. Altogether, having her on the side cost me about $950 per month, plus dinners out ("no chain restaurants," was her rule, there) but she was ALWAYS open to my schedule, and would drop the kid off with a sitter if we hadn't had enough lunches lately, so we'd have private time 4-5 times a week, without any resistance or no-shows, and with her always pushing for more. I think girls like this don't necessarily consider themselves SBs. But they make no actual income, live off of their exes and the current guy, and need to be completely taken care of, so it pretty much amounts to being a kept woman, which is very similar.

Unfortunately, by five months in, two things were apparent: she was a really awful tenant, inspiring visits from the homeowners regularly (and I couldn't even blame them, even just hearing her side of the stories of what happened,) and she was VERY emotionally needy, and started pressuring me to just move in with her permanently. The night she chased my car down the road as I pulled out, yelling "You love me, but you just won't admit it, yet!" in front of all of the neighbors, I realized I had to call this off. Fortunately, the homeowners made that easy, by telling me they weren't going to renew the lease. I let her know our apartment was going away, and, despite being grumpy, she accepted that, and moved on. She did stay in touch for a while, and let me know a few months later, when she wound up renting a room literally a half a block away from my house, but she never threatened indiscretion anywhere near my home, and she did stay a FWB for a little while longer.

I still feel awful, remembering her running behind my car, yelling that I just needed to admit that I loved her, especially when I considered that if she were significantly LESS pushy, and significantly more trustworthy (by not paying the rent the way she said she would, I classified her as a dependent, not a potential partner,) I wouldn't have actually been averse to something more serious. In any event, the whole thing was vastly more emotional than most SB / SD relationships were, and had the potential for much more drama to have erupted, if she hadn't had lines she wouldn't cross. I couldn't help but think that if she were less scrupulous about not busting me, she absolutely could have, and that was a risk I wasn't willing to take going forward.

On a related note, I don't mind if SBs stay in the hotel rooms, as long as it's their name on the room. I used to see a 19 yo from West Virginia who would make the drive to meet me halfway, and, whether or not I was staying for the evening, I always let her stay in the room, so she wouldn't be rushed on making the drive back. She was also stunningly reliable in every way, though perhaps a little TOO inflexible there. The last time I saw her, we were scheduled to meet late that evening, but something blew up at work early in the day, and and all-nighter was going to be required, to fix it. I contacted her about 8 hours before she was scheduled to hit the road, and told her I really needed to reschedule, and offered a fallback date. She said absolutely not. She was going to be at our meeting place at our agreed upon time, and if I didn't show up, that was on me. I wound up driving out, arrived a few minutes before she did, paid for the room, paid her our regular overnight fee ($2) and told her goodbye. I then rushed back to work (3 hour round trip) and wound up working until nearly 7 am to get things fixed before the workday started. I did not return any of her followup messages, nor did I schedule with her, again.

Ah, the good old days.

By the way, I do always politely decline when asked if a girl can stay in the hotel room, if she's not the one who rented it, no matter how good her story is, so the apartment thing was definitely a stretch, for me.

[QUOTE=MedJohnson;3088167]Hey guys. Looking at an arrangement with an apartment as part of the deal. Anyone had any success with this? Thinking of a sublet situation so that I am not caught up in any other activity that might go on while I'm not around. Already knows my I'd so not a and issue. Maybe more a mistress than SB situation, but I thought this would be a good place to ask.

Thanks. I've also posted in the Raleigh forum but no responses. Med.[/QUOTE]

Grumpy, great counterpoint to the general rules. I remember some brothers posting that they would leave a cash deposit on a room if it was in their name and let the baby stay overnight with the understanding that the baby's allowance was the cash deposit on the room. Basically if the baby trashed the room, then she forfeited the allowance due to her own irresponsibility. Any experience with that, although nowadays, I doubt any major hotel would accept a cash deposit.

Also, good to see you back. It would be great if many of the brothers who helped build this thread came back. We all know who they are. Their profile names are listed in the thread created by an enterprising brother to capture all the basics of the sugar game. Too many have gone to the wind.

I remember when this forum was a place where brothers challenged ideas respectfully. I remember one instance where Fscott and I disagreed about the propriety of sharing info on pots and babies. He showed me some inconsistencies with my logic when I refused to share information about my prized swim instructor, and I know that I had a good laugh about it.

Not that I have anything against newbs, and think their participation is key to helping evolve the game in the bowl since we all learn from the collective experience, and especially from the mistakes made by our fellow bretheren. It's just that I wish some of the old timers (you know who you are) would return to the fold.

There was a day when this forum was on the top of the main page every day.

Happy fishing. Fish out.

[QUOTE=Grumpyinva;3091741]I can share my experience with this, from back in the "I was married" days, when a discreet SB in an apartment was something I was open to trying, to avoid the need for hotel rooms. The TL; DR version is "nope, never again, even though it didn't explode on me when I did it, once. ".

As some of my past posts have indicated, I don't mind aiming at the 30's-40's range, although the approach is certainly different than with the 20-somethings. In this case, I happened to meet a milfy upper-thirties lady, with more tattoos than I have ever seen on one person before, and a crazy number of piercings. I actually think that look is attractive, so I stopped to say hello. (This wasn't online. She actually was walking with her 6 year old kid in my neighborhood, and I hadn't seen her before. Cute shorts, belly shirt, tats on full display, unbelievably athletic legs.) Yes, this was a little less than discreet, since I was actually in front of my house at the time, but you'd be surprised how many women are actually open to affairs, especially when you are situated in a nice house, with a nice car in the driveway, and you're well-dressed when you say hello. (Now, in my more cynical days, I'm surprised I was never busted by this, but, to be honest, NONE of the sugar affairs I had ended up with any threats like that. I was just clear up-front about my situation, and let them decide whether or not they wanted to get involved in it.).

I chatted with her a few, and then mentioned that my insanely jealous SO was about to come home and chew me out for talking to a cute blonde lady, so I'd love to get her number, and figure out a time for lunch. She hesitated a moment, then agreed. I gave her a call the next day, and we set up lunch at a nearby casual restaurant. Talking with her, it was pretty clear that she was not wrapped too tightly. She was unemployed, had been divorced FIVE times, and still had some income from palimony and alimony, but it wasn't really getting her by. She was crashing with friends, for a few weeks at a time, before moving on to new friends, and all of her stuff was in storage, so I thought this was an obvious time to mention that I was thinking about renting a little apartment, just because things weren't great at home, and having somewhere to step out for quiet would be a welcome option. She asked if maybe she and the young one could crash there sometimes, if I did, and I agreed. I had actually been looking at a nearby place that had been advertised at my work, for a garage apartment at $500 a month, utilities included. I stopped by and visited it, and decided it wasn't bad. I rented it for 6 months, and let them know that my GF might be staying with me, so there wouldn't be any surprises.

I took a day off, and helped her move her stuff in from storage, with the agreement that she would be paying $250 on a monthly basis to share the apartment. The first thing we moved in was her mattress, and, as her kid was at school, we made use of it immediately, before getting the rest of the stuff. I can say that the crazy ones are very often the best in bed, and this lady was no exception, in any way. She asked me if I'd be open to lunch the next day, and I agreed, so I started regularly heading out to see her over my lunch break, though it was really a dessert break, since no lunch was had. I did make sure to take her and the kid out to dinner once or twice a week, and she started insisting on cooking.

Now, to make this clear, she never got around to paying any rent, in the five months that she was there. She did write me a check once, but I never got around to cashing it. She would ask for grocery money once a week, and I'd give her a hundred in cash to cover it, without asking where it went. She did cook well, and I'm sure that she socked away or found used for the extra. On days when my SO would be out of town, or when I could extend a legitimate work trip by an extra day, I would stay overnight with her. Altogether, having her on the side cost me about $950 per month, plus dinners out ("no chain restaurants," was her rule, there) but she was ALWAYS open to my schedule, and would drop the kid off with a sitter if we hadn't had enough lunches lately, so we'd have private time 4-5 times a week, without any resistance or no-shows, and with her always pushing for more. I think girls like this don't necessarily consider themselves SBs. But they make no actual income, live off of their exes and the current guy, and need to be completely taken care of, so it pretty much amounts to being a kept woman, which is very similar.

Unfortunately, by five months in, two things were apparent: she was a really awful tenant, inspiring visits from the homeowners regularly (and I couldn't even blame them, even just hearing her side of the stories of what happened,) and she was VERY emotionally needy, and started pressuring me to just move in with her permanently. The night she chased my car down the road as I pulled out, yelling "You love me, but you just won't admit it, yet!" in front of all of the neighbors, I realized I had to call this off. Fortunately, the homeowners made that easy, by telling me they weren't going to renew the lease. I let her know our apartment was going away, and, despite being grumpy, she accepted that, and moved on. She did stay in touch for a while, and let me know a few months later, when she wound up renting a room literally a half a block away from my house, but she never threatened indiscretion anywhere near my home, and she did stay a FWB for a little while longer.

I still feel awful, remembering her running behind my car, yelling that I just needed to admit that I loved her, especially when I considered that if she were significantly LESS pushy, and significantly more trustworthy (by not paying the rent the way she said she would, I classified her as a dependent, not a potential partner,) I wouldn't have actually been averse to something more serious. In any event, the whole thing was vastly more emotional than most SB / SD relationships were, and had the potential for much more drama to have erupted, if she hadn't had lines she wouldn't cross. I couldn't help but think that if she were less scrupulous about not busting me, she absolutely could have, and that was a risk I wasn't willing to take going forward.

On a related note, I don't mind if SBs stay in the hotel rooms, as long as it's their name on the room. I used to see a 19 yo from West Virginia who would make the drive to meet me halfway, and, whether or not I was staying for the evening, I always let her stay in the room, so she wouldn't be rushed on making the drive back. She was also stunningly reliable in every way, though perhaps a little TOO inflexible there. The last time I saw her, we were scheduled to meet late that evening, but something blew up at work early in the day, and and all-nighter was going to be required, to fix it. I contacted her about 8 hours before she was scheduled to hit the road, and told her I really needed to reschedule, and offered a fallback date. She said absolutely not. She was going to be at our meeting place at our agreed upon time, and if I didn't show up, that was on me. I wound up driving out, arrived a few minutes before she did, paid for the room, paid her our regular overnight fee ($2) and told her goodbye. I then rushed back to work (3 hour round trip) and wound up working until nearly 7 am to get things fixed before the workday started. I did not return any of her followup messages, nor did I schedule with her, again.

Ah, the good old days.

By the way, I do always politely decline when asked if a girl can stay in the hotel room, if she's not the one who rented it, no matter how good her story is, so the apartment thing was definitely a stretch, for me.[/QUOTE]

FFA. Completely frustrating when a baby or pot doesn't understand basic and fundamental things that most of us take for granted. I've found myself floored by how little some of these girls know.

Of course I caveat this because I don't mind terribly when they don't know facts that one would learn in school. One young lady didn't understand the fact that we have three branches of government. When a pot or baby has all the other characteristics I'm looking for, I actually enjoy helping them better understand the world. It's fun (for me) seeing that light bulb go off and seeing them grow. I actually very much enjoy the mentoring aspect of the relationship with the right sb.

I do mind when they fail to grasp basic life skills. For example, one young lady I met didn't understand that you had to pay your credit card company back for charges you made on the card. This is the kind of stuff I just can't stand. I've found that in most instances, these are the GPS types that end up being dead fish in bed, and who expect you to do all the work. I've also noted a high correlation between hot young ladies and this kind of attitude.

In the former situation, I blame our crappy public school system. The latter I blame on an entitled personality type (which is probably her parents fault, but I digress).

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3091629]
Someone recently posted they couldn't believe some of their babies had graduated high school. How often do girls use 'peak', or even 'peek' instead of the right word in their profile? Lots. Luckily, sometimes the dumb ones really are hot or like to fuck, and it can be easier to get them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3092139]FFA. Completely frustrating when a baby or pot doesn't understand basic and fundamental things that most of us take for granted. I've found myself floored by how little some of these girls know.

Of course I caveat this because I don't mind terribly when they don't know facts that one would learn in school. One young lady didn't understand the fact that we have three branches of government. When a pot or baby has all the other characteristics I'm looking for, I actually enjoy helping them better understand the world. It's fun (for me) seeing that light bulb go off and seeing them grow. I actually very much enjoy the mentoring aspect of the relationship with the right sb.

I do mind when they fail to grasp basic life skills. For example, one young lady I met didn't understand that you had to pay your credit card company back for charges you made on the card. This is the kind of stuff I just can't stand. I've found that in most instances, these are the GPS types that end up being dead fish in bed, and who expect you to do all the work. I've also noted a high correlation between hot young ladies and this kind of attitude.

In the former situation, I blame our crappy public school system. The latter I blame on an entitled personality type (which is probably her parents fault, but I digress).[/QUOTE]I was also frustrated by a POT who wanted to go to the FC (she claimed) but couldn't figure out how to reserve the room with her credit card. About the HYTs. This is a problem. I am really interested in doing one of these at least once, a 1/3 my age deal. Both my current SB (a MILF) and my SO are or were quite, quite beautiful, from an early age. And this really skews their thinking. Literally, guys have been trying to get into their pants, pay them to fuck, or otherwise persuade them to go with them for decades. They come to believe they are really god's gift to men. This makes them hard to manage. I believe there is sociological study that attractive people make more $, get better jobs, etc. , etc. Humans just seem to be wired to pour all this BS into the minds of the beautiful young babes. And I'll say they don't forget that once all the youthful beauty is gone. My SO sees herself still like the hot young thing she was, despite the ravages of the years and other personality disorders. It's not just on upbringing. You're going to have to tolerate some of that to hit that kind of pussy, though. Just don't marry it.

I'm personally amazed at the growing number of GPS girls in my area. They've bought into the Cinderella fantasy that all of us want to pay for meet-and-greets, or can command 4-5 for a visit to the FC. While they are waiting for their "white whale" to come through, other POTs are learning the power of dollar-cost averaging. 1. 5 once or twice a week will get them much more than holding out for that high score once in a blue moon. Shortsighted since they don't realize we SDs are thinking in terms of supply and demand and maximizing our ROI.

Then again, if they can't figure out "peek" and "peak" or "your" and "you're", how are they going to grasp basic economic principles? Life is good, gents. Just got to play the game.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3092139]FFA. Completely frustrating when a baby or pot doesn't understand basic and fundamental things that most of us take for granted. I've found myself floored by how little some of these girls know.

Of course I caveat this because I don't mind terribly when they don't know facts that one would learn in school. One young lady didn't understand the fact that we have three branches of government. When a pot or baby has all the other characteristics I'm looking for, I actually enjoy helping them better understand the world. It's fun (for me) seeing that light bulb go off and seeing them grow. I actually very much enjoy the mentoring aspect of the relationship with the right sb.

I do mind when they fail to grasp basic life skills. For example, one young lady I met didn't understand that you had to pay your credit card company back for charges you made on the card. This is the kind of stuff I just can't stand. I've found that in most instances, these are the GPS types that end up being dead fish in bed, and who expect you to do all the work. I've also noted a high correlation between hot young ladies and this kind of attitude.

In the former situation, I blame our crappy public school system. The latter I blame on an entitled personality type (which is probably her parents fault, but I digress).[/QUOTE]

Fish,

Thanks for the welcome back, and thanks for pointing out that amazingly useful thread, which I had missed! Hollywood featured prominently, as I suspected he would, and there are a TON of good discussions saved there.

I like the cash deposit idea, but you're right. It's probably a thing of the past, now, but that was a great idea. I generally leave the gift inside a handwritten card, that's either presented to them the first time we arrive at the FC (after which I excuse myself to the bathroom for a few minutes, to give her a chance to check it, privately,) or dropped off so the envelope is sticking out of her purse, if she's clearly new to this, and might be freaked out by seeing the card early.

I haven't been in this forum for a while, because the amount of time spent hunting for and grooming SBs is long, and I did settle into a happy arrangement for a while last year through this year, off of SA. The girl in question was an ex dancer (I didn't know that, for months, and she didn't advertise it,) who had found a legitimate job, making, of course, less than she was used to, and she was very open to an exclusive once-a-week arrangement (which she explained to her job as "a housecleaning gig", so she could take the time off on the weekday we were scheduled to meet.) She never gave me the least amount of drama (her boundaries were exceptionally clear, in that she understood that this was an arrangement, not regular dating, but, in the times we shared, she was a faultless playmate,) never cancelled, never rushed any encounter, and our visits (after the initial M&G) were all at her house, so there was no need for a hotel. She was late thirties, looked absolutely amazing, and honestly, if not for some logistical issues on my side (I had to cancel a few times, but always compensated her exactly the same as if we had met,) and for an upcoming horrific expense (related to my only kid, and her choice of schools,) I would have loved to have continued to see her, but my disposable income is less than it was, and there was no way I would have been able to continue to see her, meet my new obligations, and still remain financially solvent. Of course, no drama and no new hunting means nothing to discuss here, so there's that.

Since I told her goodbye (with a month's notice, so she would have time to set up a new arrangement,) I've occasionally looked around, but usually just settled on one-time talent, rather than SBs. I suppose you could count one lady I met on SD who's clearly more on the escort side (she comes into town once in a while, and catches up with trusted friends while she's here, though she's very customer-service-oriented, and has no issues with spending as much time as desired,) but that's really not the same sort of thing.

It's funny. In my "regular" life, I'm dating a girl who meets all of my physical qualifications of someone who I'd gladly have as an ideal SB, but who's actively working to be a partner, but there's a part of me that still needs the hunt, for strange. I think once you're in the bowl, it's hard to overlook the options that are out there.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3091939]Grumpy, great counterpoint to the general rules. I remember some brothers posting that they would leave a cash deposit on a room if it was in their name and let the baby stay overnight with the understanding that the baby's allowance was the cash deposit on the room. Basically if the baby trashed the room, then she forfeited the allowance due to her own irresponsibility. Any experience with that, although nowadays, I doubt any major hotel would accept a cash deposit.

Also, good to see you back. It would be great if many of the brothers who helped build this thread came back. We all know who they are. Their profile names are listed in the thread created by an enterprising brother to capture all the basics of the sugar game. Too many have gone to the wind.

I remember when this forum was a place where brothers challenged ideas respectfully. I remember one instance where Fscott and I disagreed about the propriety of sharing info on pots and babies. He showed me some inconsistencies with my logic when I refused to share information about my prized swim instructor, and I know that I had a good laugh about it.

Not that I have anything against newbs, and think their participation is key to helping evolve the game in the bowl since we all learn from the collective experience, and especially from the mistakes made by our fellow bretheren. It's just that I wish some of the old timers (you know who you are) would return to the fold.

There was a day when this forum was on the top of the main page every day.

Happy fishing. Fish out.[/QUOTE]

I hear you brother. I have a SO and none of my SBs hold a candle to her. Regardless, over the past few years there has never been a time when I didn't have a SB or two in my rotation.

I think the simple fact of the matter is that men are hardwired to spread their seed. It's genetically ingrained in us. For those that have the means to do it, the simple fact is that we will.

[QUOTE=Grumpyinva;3093052] It's funny. In my "regular" life, I'm dating a girl who meets all of my physical qualifications of someone who I'd gladly have as an ideal SB, but who's actively working to be a partner, but there's a part of me that still needs the hunt, for strange. I think once you're in the bowl, it's hard to overlook the options that are out there.[/QUOTE]

I've been avoiding SA recently because of all the hassles associated with that kind of attitude. These days I've been posting ads for part time language tutors (Korean, Spanish, French); models so that I can increase my photography portfolio (I paid $350 for a fancy dslr camera); help with spreadsheets (work from the convenience of your own home! Personal shopper (I need an outfit for an event), etc.

The rate of girls that show up for an interview for a real job are astronomically higher than for a m&g. I also found that they don't have the same preconceived notions. Many have heard of SA, and know what it's about, but would never consider sleeping with a stranger for money.

Luckily for me, there are a few that wouldn't mind sleeping with their student (I. E. Spanish tutor), have a fetishist involving a photo shoot, etc. My current rotation includes my spreadsheet baby and former personal assistant.

More importantly, welcome back to the forum brother. It's probably been about two years since I've seen a post from you on this forum?

[QUOTE=Donatello;3092876]I'm personally amazed at the growing number of GPS girls in my area. They've bought into the Cinderella fantasy that all of us want to pay for meet-and-greets, or can command 4-5 for a visit to the FC. While they are waiting for their "white whale" to come through, other POTs are learning the power of dollar-cost averaging. 1. 5 once or twice a week will get them much more than holding out for that high score once in a blue moon. Shortsighted since they don't realize we SDs are thinking in terms of supply and demand and maximizing our ROI.

Then again, if they can't figure out "peek" and "peak" or "your" and "you're", how are they going to grasp basic economic principles? Life is good, gents. Just got to play the game.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3092498]I was also frustrated by a POT who wanted to go to the FC (she claimed) but couldn't figure out how to reserve the room with her credit card. About the HYTs. This is a problem. I am really interested in doing one of these at least once, a 1/3 my age deal. Both my current SB (a MILF) and my SO are or were quite, quite beautiful, from an early age. And this really skews their thinking. Literally, guys have been trying to get into their pants, pay them to fuck, or otherwise persuade them to go with them for decades. They come to believe they are really god's gift to men. This makes them hard to manage. I believe there is sociological study that attractive people make more $, get better jobs, etc. , etc. Humans just seem to be wired to pour all this BS into the minds of the beautiful young babes. And I'll say they don't forget that once all the youthful beauty is gone. My SO sees herself still like the hot young thing she was, despite the ravages of the years and other personality disorders. It's not just on upbringing. You're going to have to tolerate some of that to hit that kind of pussy, though. Just don't marry it.[/QUOTE]FFA, agree with you on the need to tolerate more nonsense for hotter ladies. That's why I still use escorts services from time to time. My current rotation is filled with ladies who are super cute, but it's the cuteness that comes with youth.

When I want to bang a super hot gal, I just go to my "go to" agencies.

I think it was Fred Moore who took the position that a 7 or 8 face is well worth the absence of hassles. I am pretty sure it was him or hwg.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3092498]I was also frustrated by a POT who wanted to go to the FC (she claimed) but couldn't figure out how to reserve the room with her credit card. About the HYTs. This is a problem. I am really interested in doing one of these at least once, a 1/3 my age deal. Both my current SB (a MILF) and my SO are or were quite, quite beautiful, from an early age. And this really skews their thinking. Literally, guys have been trying to get into their pants, pay them to fuck, or otherwise persuade them to go with them for decades. They come to believe they are really god's gift to men. This makes them hard to manage. I believe there is sociological study that attractive people make more $, get better jobs, etc. , etc. Humans just seem to be wired to pour all this BS into the minds of the beautiful young babes. And I'll say they don't forget that once all the youthful beauty is gone. My SO sees herself still like the hot young thing she was, despite the ravages of the years and other personality disorders. It's not just on upbringing. You're going to have to tolerate some of that to hit that kind of pussy, though. Just don't marry it.[/QUOTE]If it flies, floats, or fucks --rent it.

My Brothers. I have a POT who works nights closer to my location but lives farther away. She suggested getting her into a room that I book online in her name in the morning and actually FC in the afternoon which is my preferred time.

So what is easier and less awkward to pull off. Early check in or late check out? The latter may be a little awkward with checking in just a few hours before closing time!

Info on Radford, VA baby.

I've met her several times and curious if she's meeting others as well. Nice girl, entitled, agreed for pics, then got mad when I took one, got up to leave and demanded allowance. I said no.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/706afce9-a5c0-4805-b73d-d9b15e279671[/URL]

That sounds less than ideal. I'm also curious about how to book a hotel online in her name, unless she has given you her credit card, and I really don't like booking when the girl isn't there. However, you're experienced, so I'll assume she's an exception for you. To be fair, late checkout rarely goes into the afternoon, so you'd wind up paying extra.

In less-crowded hotels, I have had some success by physically walking into the hotel, and saying "hey, I need a room tonight, and I know your check-in isn't until 3 pm, but do you have anything available sooner?" There's never a guarantee, but I've had about half the hotels where this has come up actually offer me a room in the morning, if they have them. The ones I don't count as wins try to charge extra, though I did accept a $20 "early check in" fee for one, that was completely worthwhile, for the SB in question. I will say, this is definitely an "in person" thing, though I do check the prices on [URL]hotels.com[/URL] first, to make sure the clerk doesn't try to rip me off.

Of course, "in person" means that she's really the one who needs to show up to try this, since the room is going to be in her name, and all.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;3094152]My Brothers. I have a POT who works nights closer to my location but lives farther away. She suggested getting her into a room that I book online in her name in the morning and actually FC in the afternoon which is my preferred time.

So what is easier and less awkward to pull off. Early check in or late check out? The latter may be a little awkward with checking in just a few hours before closing time![/QUOTE]