Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

Ten years ago there were about a dozen providers, either local or traveling, who were swingers and lived sex, so why not get paid for it? Seems like that has completely dried up.

[QUOTE=DNut;4950267]I believe one of the issues mongers are facing is that in the past, there were very little sources of revenue for quick cash. Now, need cash and have a car? Drive for Uber or Lyft. Need cash and your're pretty and want to be famous any way possible? Create an OnlyFans page. Need cash and have a spare room but don't want a roommate? Rent it out for a few nights a month as an AirBnb. There is a whole microeconomy available into which people can tap for quick money before considering becoming a provider.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IrlFan;4950566]Ten years ago there were about a dozen providers, either local or traveling, who were swingers and lived sex, so why not get paid for it? Seems like that has completely dried up.[/QUOTE]Bobby Jones, arguably one of the greatest golf players in the history of the game, never got paid for playing a single hole. He never once competed as a professional, but that he loved the game, and was very good at it, was never in doubt.

To a lot of people, swinging means you like sex. Getting paid to have sex is being a prostitute. Swingers will be the first to tell you that there is a very big difference between sex, and paid sex, and they will tell you that that is a line they will not cross.

[QUOTE=DNut;4950267]I believe one of the issues mongers are facing is that in the past, there were very little sources of revenue for quick cash. Now, need cash and have a car? Drive for Uber or Lyft. Need cash and your're pretty and want to be famous any way possible? Create an OnlyFans page. Need cash and have a spare room but don't want a roommate? Rent it out for a few nights a month as an AirBnb. There is a whole microeconomy available into which people can tap for quick money before considering becoming a provider.[/QUOTE]This might apply to some young women who are not on drugs, have yet to provide and want quick cash, basically some would-be new talent.

The ones that are already doing this, aren't smart or savvy enough to figure out alternative income streams, nor would they have the resources to do so. Rent out space as an AirBNB? That's well above their space. UBER? You have to have valid license and insurance, that puts out a ton of people. 95% or more of the women in Cincy are doing this for dope, they couldn't think straight enough for 5 minutes, let alone enough time to formulate a cohesive plan for steady income.

You're giving potential providers way too much credit. The women that would do any of the things you mentioned, weren't ever going to be providers. Those women don't want drugs; they want attention, notoriety, and money. If they started doing hard drugs, they'd eventually leave the internet, and become the same dimwitted, pock-marked zombie as anyone else, doing everything for $20. They wouldn't be waiting on shows, and money transfers, they'd have to start getting right now, just like all of them.

The pool isn't drying up, they're still there, the problem is the providers are getting worse and worse as time progresses. H is the reason for the downfall here, nothing else. Problem with H compared to what girls was doing before, is that it fucks them up, so much worse, that they are far less functioning than before.

[QUOTE=IrlFan;4950566]Ten years ago there were about a dozen providers, either local or traveling, who were swingers and lived sex, so why not get paid for it? Seems like that has completely dried up.[/QUOTE]I think some of those ladies have ended up on the Arrangments / Benefits sites. I know the two ladies that I had longer-term "friendships" with were both in open marriages. One went to swinger events with her husband, and the other was polyamorous (aside from her husband and me, she had a boyfriend). Both of these women liked sex, but I think didn't really want to consider themselves providers. Not a great scientific sample here, but my personal experience.

Seems that the Cincinnati options are looking rough. Anyone that doesn't look like she's been rise hard and pit away wet is seems to be have a starting point of $300. Even then, at sites like Eros and Tryst, $30 streetwalkers are masquerading as $400 courtesans.

Who is paying those rates for that level of service?

[QUOTE=DNut;4961880]Seems that the Cincinnati options are looking rough. Anyone that doesn't look like she's been rise hard and pit away wet is seems to be have a starting point of $300. Even then, at sites like Eros and Tryst, $30 streetwalkers are masquerading as $400 courtesans.

Who is paying those rates for that level of service?[/QUOTE]Hello everyone D Nut I am with you on this I am not paying that much they must fallen & bumped thier head. I know what's crazy like a month ago I contacted Ryyann that used to be with Steve of EE I seen her several times she told me You've seen me before so it's 250 all new people are 350 an hour I said no way When she was with Steve it was 150 hhr I mean she a nice girl a nice looking girl but no way am I paying that sorry. Thats ok I have a utr I see I just figured something different. I don't know what's up with these chick's Now a day's. Plus I think we really need some new material it's really became slim Pickens around here. Well everyone take care have a good one.

[QUOTE=DNut;4950628]Bobby Jones, arguably one of the greatest golf players in the history of the game, never got paid for playing a single hole. He never once competed as a professional, but that he loved the game, and was very good at it, was never in doubt.

To a lot of people, swinging means you like sex. Getting paid to have sex is being a prostitute. Swingers will be the first to tell you that there is a very big difference between sex, and paid sex, and they will tell you that that is a line they will not cross.[/QUOTE]Big difference between swinging and paid sex. Also why alot of mongers don't take advantage of the swinging scene where these are clean healthy women who just love sex.

[QUOTE=DNut;4961880]Seems that the Cincinnati options are looking rough. Anyone that doesn't look like she's been rise hard and pit away wet is seems to be have a starting point of $300. Even then, at sites like Eros and Tryst, $30 streetwalkers are masquerading as $400 courtesans.

Who is paying those rates for that level of service?[/QUOTE]Guys pay it and if the girl gets one customer she's set for a day or two. Pretty simple all depends on what head is in control on what you do. Mongoose are their own worst enemy LOL.

[QUOTE=HighLifeMan;4962321]Hello everyone D Nut I am with you on this I am not paying that much they must fallen & bumped thier head. I know what's crazy like a month ago I contacted Ryyann that used to be with Steve of EE I seen her several times she told me You've seen me before so it's 250 all new people are 350 an hour I said no way When she was with Steve it was 150 hhr I mean she a nice girl a nice looking girl but no way am I paying that sorry. Thats ok I have a utr I see I just figured something different. I don't know what's up with these chick's Now a day's. Plus I think we really need some new material it's really became slim Pickens around here. Well everyone take care have a good one.[/QUOTE]I'm happy someone is talking about this. Just a few years ago decent looking girls were charging 150/ hr, 100 HHR on bpage, now the prices for drug addicts in crappy hotels are 220/ hr 160 hhr on lcrawlers with mediocre service, and nobody's complaining? I guess many guys are paying! Bring the prices back down! LOL.

[QUOTE=DNut;4961880]Seems that the Cincinnati options are looking rough. Anyone that doesn't look like she's been rise hard and pit away wet is seems to be have a starting point of $300. Even then, at sites like Eros and Tryst, $30 streetwalkers are masquerading as $400 courtesans.

Who is paying those rates for that level of service?[/QUOTE]Please let me know some of these girls on Eros that use to be street walkers. All I can say is drug boys are getting paid VERY WELL now days because that's where most of the money eventually goes.

[QUOTE=LakersFan29;4962548]I'm happy someone is talking about this. Just a few years ago decent looking girls were charging 150/ hr, 100 HHR on bpage, now the prices for drug addicts in crappy hotels are 220/ hr 160 hhr on lcrawlers with mediocre service, and nobody's complaining? I guess many guys are paying! Bring the prices back down! LOL.[/QUOTE]I believe in a proper valuation. There are ladies whose service I do think are worth the higher rates. But absolute NOT $600 for a 45 year old pretending to be 35 by using 10 year old photos. They need to Google "depreciated value".

It's not just these prices. It's these conditions they are starting to insist on, before and during the session. It's like they want clients to jump through hoops just to be overpaid for underwhelming services.

I have $350, in my wallet right now earmarked for a session. But the pickings are pretty slim as to who would be able to provide a $350 per hour level of service. Unless one pops up this weekend with the looks but without the GPS attitude, I will be scheduling next weekend with Tiffany Teigen when she returns.

[QUOTE=HighLifeMan;4962321]Hello everyone D Nut I am with you on this I am not paying that much they must fallen & bumped thier head. I know what's crazy like a month ago I contacted Ryyann that used to be with Steve of EE I seen her several times she told me You've seen me before so it's 250 all new people are 350 an hour I said no way When she was with Steve it was 150 hhr I mean she a nice girl a nice looking girl but no way am I paying that sorry. Thats ok I have a utr I see I just figured something different. I don't know what's up with these chick's Now a day's. Plus I think we really need some new material it's really became slim Pickens around here. Well everyone take care have a good one.[/QUOTE]I know who you are so I know you didn't mean for it to come off malicious. I just want to come here and explain some things. First anyone that thinks I charge 350 there for I net 350, is mistaken. I have been able to upgrade everything in my life since I gave myself a raise. I don't think I could hang out at the Red Roof and charge what I do, I didn't even do that when I first started.

Right now we are in the middle of a pandemic if you want to believe in it or not. I go from my hotel to home. I feel more comfortable lowering the amount of people I come in contact with so hhr are out. I don't know if hhr will ever come back. I may decide tomorrow I don't want to do this anymore and I may not come back.

Anyone who has seen me in the past are grandfathered in. Their loyalty means a lot to me. If I had to run off percentages I'd say repeats are at 80% first timers 20% I think that says a lot about me as a person.

As for "new material" in the area. I hope you get it. If I wasn't living here I would pass on Cincinnati for the simple fact there is complaints about 250 hr. I think there are people on this forum that think only this forum exist so that reflects what the areas prices should be. Some people don't have time like you and I to read on here or even have interest in looking at these shenanigans. They just want to spend time with a lady and return to their normal lives.

I've spoken to a few girls that got on unemployment or assistance since they increased the pay and decreased the red tape due to the pandemic. They are less dependent on working.

Things will go back to normal once the other shoe drops with evictions and when the stimulus dries up for those that got on the 600 a month unemployment and checks for them and kids that they could float on.

[QUOTE=Ryann222;4962609]I know who you are so I know you didn't mean for it to come off malicious. I just want to come here and explain some things. First anyone that thinks I charge 350 there for I net 350, is mistaken. I have been able to upgrade everything in my life since I gave myself a raise. I don't think I could hang out at the Red Roof and charge what I do, I didn't even do that when I first started.

Right now we are in the middle of a pandemic if you want to believe in it or not. I go from my hotel to home. I feel more comfortable lowering the amount of people I come in contact with so hhr are out. I don't know if hhr will ever come back. I may decide tomorrow I don't want to do this anymore and I may not come back.

Anyone who has seen me in the past are grandfathered in. Their loyalty means a lot to me. If I had to run off percentages I'd say repeats are at 80% first timers 20% I think that says a lot about me as a person.

As for "new material" in the area. I hope you get it. If I wasn't living here I would pass on Cincinnati for the simple fact there is complaints about 250 hr. I think there are people on this forum that think only this forum exist so that reflects what the areas prices should be. Some people don't have time like you and I to read on here or even have interest in looking at these shenanigans. They just want to spend time with a lady and return to their normal lives.[/QUOTE]Moving is not a difficult thing to do, but I doubt you will find a place where complaints don't exist. One less condescending person around here would be nice though.

[QUOTE=Bullet454;4964026]Moving is not a difficult thing to do, but I doubt you will find a place where complaints don't exist. One less condescending person around here would be nice though.[/QUOTE]Condescending, that's a new one. I guess I can call you presumptuous for assuming you know anything about my life and how easy for me relocating would be.