"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Yeah, that's not the situation at all. I happened to meet these girls in an office setting. If I do anything with them it will be off premises, and they will be SBs, but with the variant that they know who I am. The same motivations of anonymity will apply. Babies don't want people to know they are b / c they look like hookers to some.

The guy who ran that other racket was ILuvSmellyFish, as I posted recently. It's not my gig, I just hoped to get pointers from his approach to turning girls (he succeeded with one).

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;3085148]Yes I understand, but understand I was referring to the guy who brings them to his office (at least I don't think that was you? Maybe it was).

My point was that the office is going to be linked to their identity in some way if they are operating out of that office professionally. The differentiating factors between an SB or a mistress, for purposes of a married guy bringing them to the office, are effectively the same:

- Either of them can get pregnant.

- Either of them can turn on you and attempt blackmail.

- Either of them can be subpoenaed in a divorce case.

- Either of them would piss the wife off if she knew.

- A legal judgment is unlikely to be lessened because she's an SB instead of a mistress.

So there are really no circumstances where it would make sense to hide ones identity, license plate, or seek other anonymity protection and then bring a girl to the office where they work, making it much easier for them to find out everything they want to know about you (it's also a private investigators wet dream, because it makes surveillance easy in most cases).

I believe what you and I may have been talking about some time back is you were meeting girls under the pretense of a job interview then gauging their interest as an SB, which I think as fine as long as they are taken to a proper anonymous FC instead of ones workplace. Perhaps the only issue I see with it is that most girls that show up for a job interview are probably going to be a little suspicious if the interview takes place at some external place by a guy who gives his first name only. Then again, girls who are looking for a fuck-boss might already be used to that sort of meeting arrangement and be specifically looking for it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3085367]Yeah, that's not the situation at all. I happened to meet these girls in an office setting. If I do anything with them it will be off premises, and they will be SBs, but with the variant that they know who I am. The same motivations of anonymity will apply. Babies don't want people to know they are b / c they look like hookers to some.

The guy who ran that other racket was ILuvSmellyFish, as I posted recently. It's not my gig, I just hoped to get pointers from his approach to turning girls (he succeeded with one).[/QUOTE]The guy I was referring to is not the same guy you've mentioned here (and I don't remember who it is). I never traded emails with the guy you're talking about, and put him on ignore a long time ago, so I haven't even seen his messages in probably over a year except in the rare case someone quotes him on something and the text gets included in their reply. Not mentioning that to stir something up here but in the hopes that the guy that I am referring to might chime in and remind us who he is because I no longer have his emails or PMs. Otherwise I'd be inclined to assume he may have disappeared because he may have gotten busted by the wife or exited the hobby for some other reason.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;3085079]So anyone have any luck with a hot 20 year old called Nicole from Ukraine. Or she may have said she was from Russia. I can't find her profile anymore on SA.[/QUOTE]I messaged her just before she went dark on SA. Never opened my message. Probably exclusive for now or just gone.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;3064923]You are right! I changed my preset location on SA and now both show 1438 members in my search radius. Some days I am in the office all by myself so that is when I waste too much time chasing pussy! Nobody comes to the office except UPS around 345 pm so its goof off time some days like today. One business phone call in the last 4 hours.[/QUOTE]Are they hiring?

I've sought other posts on this unsuccessfully. I am considering saying goodbye to #1 SB b / c I am feeling vulnerable to a slip up and need to get out of the bowl after a few months (I believe this is JeezLizard's advice). I really like her though. How do I do this without feeling like a heel? Yeah, I know, I can always just evaporate. Second, has anyone resurrected a SB after a break, and if so, how was groundwork laid before and the deal closed after?

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3086638]I've sought other posts on this unsuccessfully. I am considering saying goodbye to #1 SB b / c I am feeling vulnerable to a slip up and need to get out of the bowl after a few months (I believe this is JeezLizard's advice). I really like her though. How do I do this without feeling like a heel? Yeah, I know, I can always just evaporate. Second, has anyone resurrected a SB after a break, and if so, how was groundwork laid before and the deal closed after?[/QUOTE]The best way out of any situation is to get the other person to initiate the action you want. When a break up comes from her, it is her choice and desire and less likely to have blow-back.

So the question is how can you get her to quit you? I dunno? OP here have suggested the old cut off the sugar and see how long she lasts routine. Things got tight in your business and you have to cut back? In that case, re-establishing a connect would be possible when "things get better. " Or you could hit the jackpot and get it sugar free!

I guess another extreme one could use is that you caught an STD (something treatable). She can get tested and know it isn't her, but then be wary of seeing you again. Not sure if one could recover from this one.

But either way, she "decides" to NOT see you again and that lessens the potential for any blow back.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3086638]I've sought other posts on this unsuccessfully. I am considering saying goodbye to #1 SB b / c I am feeling vulnerable to a slip up and need to get out of the bowl after a few months (I believe this is JeezLizard's advice). I really like her though. How do I do this without feeling like a heel? Yeah, I know, I can always just evaporate. Second, has anyone resurrected a SB after a break, and if so, how was groundwork laid before and the deal closed after?[/QUOTE]Ceph's response covered most of the possibilities I would have suggested. I think preferred approach depends if you want to put it on hold for on occasional romp in the future versus cut ties completely. I think the most popular solution is "financial times just got really rough for me because _ ", then fill in the blank with any fabrication of reality that's unverifiable, like major client at work just parted ways or whatever. Most women that would be an SB are masters of deception, anyway, and your story doesn't need to convince them that it's true to be effective. For all they know you might have found a girl you like better.

One advantage to doing things the way I do them it is that I have left a trail of future possibilities in many cities, without really formally cutting ties with any of them. By that, I mean I never make promises when I meet them. I tell them straight up I travel and that my travel schedule dictates whether we will see each other or spend time together. I never get involved in these ongoing arrangements, which of course all start with what I consider The Devil: the up front agreement. There is no up front talk of gift amount, no promise of ongoing gift, and it is what it is. Of course I lose a few due to lack of flexibility but there's always 10 or 20 more where she came from.

So, what happens when I'm not traveling to their town? Well quite frankly they don't hear much from me and I don't hear much from them. But, the "friendship" is such that I can send them a text and say "hey I might be in your area again next week, interested? Most of the time the answer is yes. They accept a traveling daddy for what he is. Are they fucking someone else in the meantime? Of course but so am I. I think the expectation of monogamy from any hot young woman that's not living with you is unreasonable to begin with, and I suspect a lot of guys who have "exclusive" agreements with these girls aren't getting what they think they are paying for anyway.

The way I do it, nobody (including me) ever gets exactly what they want, but nobody ever gets hurt either.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;3086984]Ceph's response covered most of the possibilities I would have suggested. I think preferred approach depends if you want to put it on hold for on occasional romp in the future versus cut ties completely. I think the most popular solution is "financial times just got really rough for me because _ ", then fill in the blank with any fabrication of reality that's unverifiable, like major client at work just parted ways or whatever. Most women that would be an SB are masters of deception, anyway, and your story doesn't need to convince them that it's true to be effective. For all they know you might have found a girl you like better.

One advantage to doing things the way I do them it is that I have left a trail of future possibilities in many cities, without really formally cutting ties with any of them. By that, I mean I never make promises when I meet them. I tell them straight up I travel and that my travel schedule dictates whether we will see each other or spend time together. I never get involved in these ongoing arrangements, which of course all start with what I consider The Devil: the up front agreement. There is no up front talk of gift amount, no promise of ongoing gift, and it is what it is. Of course I lose a few due to lack of flexibility but there's always 10 or 20 more where she came from.

So, what happens when I'm not traveling to their town? Well quite frankly they don't hear much from me and I don't hear much from them. But, the "friendship" is such that I can send them a text and say "hey I might be in your area again next week, interested? Most of the time the answer is yes. They accept a traveling daddy for what he is. Are they fucking someone else in the meantime? Of course but so am I. I think the expectation of monogamy from any hot young woman that's not living with you is unreasonable to begin with, and I suspect a lot of guys who have "exclusive" agreements with these girls aren't getting what they think they are paying for anyway.

The way I do it, nobody (including me) ever gets exactly what they want, but nobody ever gets hurt either.[/QUOTE]Thanks to both of you seniors for your insight. We are supposed to be exclusive and she's not a 20-something, she's a mature single mom w / a complex life. Sure, she might be seeing someone else, but it seems unlikely just logistically.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3086924]The best way out of any situation is to get the other person to initiate the action you want. When a break up comes from her, it is her choice and desire and less likely to have blow-back.

So the question is how can you get her to quit you? I dunno? OP here have suggested the old cut off the sugar and see how long she lasts routine. Things got tight in your business and you have to cut back? In that case, re-establishing a connect would be possible when "things get better. " Or you could hit the jackpot and get it sugar free!

I guess another extreme one could use is that you caught an STD (something treatable). She can get tested and know it isn't her, but then be wary of seeing you again. Not sure if one could recover from this one.

But either way, she "decides" to NOT see you again and that lessens the potential for any blow back.[/QUOTE]Anybody go with the ruse that you are in love with her and want to leave the SO and set up housekeeping? That ought to send most running.

FFA. Sorry I didn't respond to your earlier posts. Haven't been checking the forum lately, mainly because it no longer reflects my style, and my style no longer reflects what this board is about. I've changed my game pretty dramatically and geared it much more towards the style that reflects the advice I previously provided to another brother with questions about whether or not to approach a waitress. Based on the reaction from the forum, it seems like most of the members here were adverse to my advice and methods, although if I remember correctly, the brother who implemented had at least some success. At the end of the day, I've found that doing the opposite of what many advocate here has helped me to achieve the kind of sugar relationships that make me happiest.

Let me explain. I started getting bored of the SD lifestyle about a year to six months ago. HoyaSvnFgr talked about sugar fatigue in a prior post a year or so back. My situation was like that, but slightly different. I think what really sealed the deal for me was the amount of UTR's, pros, GPS, and career SBs that were joining the sugar sites; and the fact that I started to have significantly less time. Due to promotions as work, and the purchase of a few additional investment properties. It was getting more difficult to achieve what I wanted from the bowl. A year or so back, I had started swapping info with other SDs, which one enterprising SD turned into a group list of sharing. It was / is great, and while it helped significantly cut back on profiles of time wasters, I found that the list became a bit of a self contained group of brothers sharing the names of ladies who would otherwise be UTRs. Unfortunately, it didn't scratch that same itch that I had when I first entered into the bowl.

It was only until I started cross referencing names / pics / profiles from sugar sites, with other job oriented task sites that I started to realize what I really wanted. I also came across the post below from the Baltimore board that really just nailed the aspect of being a SD that I used to find so satisfying. I'm not going to try to recreate the post but a link to it should be below.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?18087-WYP-SA-and-other-SD-sites&p=2825869&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2825869.

Its post 415 by "whistles."

An amazing post right? The simple reality of it, is that the kind of experience the OP wrote about in the link above is what really made the bowl so much fun for me. Finding an innocent PYT, and then turning her into an adoring SB that gets wet when you touch her, its just an amazing experience. I've been lucky enough to have similar experiences like that more than just once, and that's the kind of experience that makes the SD lifestyle so much fun. Don't get me wrong though, I still give my go to agencies a call every now and then when they have cute new talent, and from time to time still check the BP pages for that diamond in the rough, but my game has changed dramatically over the past summer.

So my current rotation consists of a personal trainer, two "interns" that I've hired and am mentoring, as well as a cashier from a fast food restaurant near the townhouse office where I'm currently renting a room / office space. None of these babies were pulled from any sugar site, although the key to landing them was engaging them and then later figuring out that they had heard about the "sugar lifestyle" but were too shy to have every fathomed creating a profile. One intern I met via a CL listing I put up because I needed someone to help build spreadsheets and assist me with my personal investments. The other intern I met via a task job oriented site, who was more than happy to upgrade from doing random jobs for random people, to becoming my personal assistant. In more ways than one. The personal trainer I met because the office space I now rent doesn't have a shower. Since I use the office space for sugar activities (after hours when the folks from the organization I rent from are not there) doesn't have a shower, I got a membership at a local fitness facility that's open 24 hours a day. I certainly can't come home to my SO smelling like teenage pussy, and so I got a cheap membership there so that I could use their shower facilities after hours. I also started using it on the weekends when I didn't have time to use the gym in the office of the organization where I'm employed. A PYT in her mid 20's was trying to pick up some new clients, and I got the vibe that I might be able to flip her. She is now in my rotation as well. I met the cashier from the fast food restaurant (really more of a fast / casual place) when I was grabbing meals on the go.

I pulled the SBs using the same advice I provided the brother who was thinking about whether or not to pull the trigger with the waitress, along with advice I provided about how I pulled another SB from a job / task oriented site (e. G. Meet and go over their resumes, get in close, initiate "accidental" very non sexual physical contact to feel out whether becoming a SB is in the realm of possibility, etc. , I won't waste time reposting that advice since you can just click on my profile name and pull all of my prior posts and advice if you want to.

Best part about the whole situation is that the allowance I'm providing is so much less than the GPS gals I was meeting from SA and other sugar sites. More importantly, these were all pulled during the course of my regular life, and so there wasn't constant messaging back and forth, wasted time sitting at a M&G waiting for a flake to show up. I also don't have to deal with SBs that are constantly hunting for "a better daddy that will provide more sugar. " My current SBs are happy to have met an attractive guy, who is in shape, with a decent sense of humor, who has confidence, and is normal (relatively speaking for a guy who is living the sugar lifestyle). There is no question that the sugar is what keeps the relationship stable for everyone involved, but that's the price I pay for discretion. They get that.

Here's what I found to be the key to my own success. 1. Knowing that I'm not god's gift to humanity. This is key, because if you realize that you're just a guy that this young lady is banging because they're currently unattached, a nice guy, and helping them pay their bills, it will go a long way. The best way to characterize my SD relationships are mentorship agreements with a FWB twist. All of these girls in my rotation will leave me as soon as they meet a guy, but until then, they're happy that I'm making them cum, while teaching them a thing or two and providing an allowance while doing so. 2. Avoiding at all costs the clingers, crazies, nandos, etc. Its touch to spot them at first, but with time, it gets easy. Its like when you first started on BP and couldn't tell when a pic was TGTB or real, but after a few months, any monger worth his salt gets to the point where they can differentiate between the real pics and the fake pics, even if they were sleepwalking. 3. Being in control of the personal finances. My SO. Like my SBs gets her allowance. She doesn't have, or want access to the personal accounts, investment accounts, etc. I'm pretty careful to cover my tracks. 4. Having lots of personal investments on top of a high level job in a very large organization. The multiple personal investments make my finances extremely complicated. They also give me a legitimate reason to hire part time labor / interns (not that my SO knows about that, but rather because I am actually having my interns do real work). This also translates to not having much time available, and so its easy for others, like my SO, to lose track of me because I'm doing so many different things on any given day, and can potentially be at a variety of different areas at any given point in time. 5. Living in an area that's about an hour to three large major metropolitan areas with at approximately 15 different institutions of higher learning. The SB pool is large, and with so many different areas to choose from, not shi**ing where I eat is pretty easy. I live in a different area than where the office where I'm employed is, and my personal office is in a different area than my home or place of employment.

So FFA, all I can say is that the approach has worked for me (and for the other brother. If memory serves me correctly). I see that you got a lot of blowback from other brothers, and their advice should be taken for what its worth since I'm sure they've all been successful in the bowl for what they wanted. From my perspective, if what you're looking for is a fresh SB, who wouldn't normally ever consider the idea of becoming an SB, but who could be turned by the right guy, then the best way to go about it. IMHO - is to meet them in an IRL setting and first establishing trust and rapport. With regard to security and risk (yes I have an SO, and no, while I'm sure she has her suspicions, I'm going over three years strong in the SD lifestyle), each individual has their own degree of appetite for security and risk. For my part, each of my current SBs only knows me by my sugar name and the details I've shared with them are all no more than what I've shared with SBs I've pulled from SA or other sugar sites. When they need to get in touch with me, they call, text, or e-mail me on my burner, or SD e-mail account. I pay the rent for my office space via cash each month in advance and the organization I rent from is more than happy to receive it in that manner and provide me with receipts for payment.

This post is getting a little long, which I know (trust me - I know) can be annoying so if you have any specific questions about my techniques or want advice about a specific question or situation, just send me a PM. I only check this forum very infrequently since these days it is a far cry from the forum that I used to enjoy reading so much. Many of the personalities (e. G. HWG, HoyaSvnFgr, etc.) that I enjoyed no longer post here, and a few personalities have highjacked the forum by picking fights with random brothers every few weeks. Sadly its the same personalities that are picked the same fights over and over when you look at the posts that the Admin is being forced to delete. At the end of the day, I'm finding that putting my hands between the legs of a young twenty something is infinitely more satisfying than reading posts that drone on and purport to provide legal advice (which is inaccurate at best) that applies across all fifty states (most criminal laws are legislated at the state level); or advice claiming that all Asian and Latina girls share the same characteristics in common (they don't, since individual characteristics vary by race, country of origin, and ethnicity. For example, culturally an American shares as much in common with a Russian as they do with a Mexican, even though the American and Russian are "white / caucasian" while the Mexian is of Latin descent).

If I wanted to be frustrated by back and forth bickering between condescending know it alls, who have the intellectual capacity of a worm, I'll watch the presidential debate this Monday (not a commentary on any single party/candidate, but rather a commentary on both). Nowadays, I just skim the Richmond forum, read the posts that interest me, respond to posts that are worth responding to, and sit back with my popcorn and just enjoy the shenanigans. Apologies to all for venting, its just that I miss how collegial this forum used to be and the wealth of good advice and original techniques that formerly was posted here. I guess I'm just feeling old and nostalgic with fall coming around the corner.

In any case, happy sugaring gents. Fish out.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3085367]Yeah, that's not the situation at all. I happened to meet these girls in an office setting. If I do anything with them it will be off premises, and they will be SBs, but with the variant that they know who I am. The same motivations of anonymity will apply. Babies don't want people to know they are b / c they look like hookers to some.

The guy who ran that other racket was ILuvSmellyFish, as I posted recently. It's not my gig, I just hoped to get pointers from his approach to turning girls (he succeeded with one).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;3024862]Keeping with my belief that the four situations outlined in prior post are the only hopes for successful long term play in the bowl, I would say it should be possible to switch one SB on or off (just know that by staying exclusively with one your likelihood of getting caught increases the longer you're with her). I guess I would just tell the SB that due to domestic issues, you need to make some changes and that it's going to be cash-and-carry for the foreseeable future. If she's had an SD before, she's likely been down that road and the concept likely won't be new to her. Then hit an ATM machine or whatever before each date.

I will say that what you'd like to do is basically incompatible with my strategies for managing addiction, because staying with one SB long-term basically feeds the addiction. This is because you're forming additional behavioral patterns and habits that are dependent on your circumstances with that one person. When you jump from girl to girl, you are less prone to develop habits -- habits that are easier for your SO to learn and use to your disadvantage. Men are creatures of habit by nature and women are masters of exploiting those habits to our disadvantage. By never staying in the comfort zone for too long, you avoid her mental targeting system from locking onto your behavior. Women stay humble when you keep them guessing, it's when they've figured you out that they know they have the upper hand and start playing that hand against you.

Unlearning existing behavior can be hard. Pushing ourselves outside our comfort zones is not fun. We just want to get laid, we don't want to necessarily think up ways to challenge ourselves. But in my opinion it's necessary for someone doing this that wants to keep their marriage or relationship in tact. That's one reason I like to take breaks from it entirely from time to time, chasing SBs while making sure things at home are adequately taken care of can be a lot of work.[/QUOTE]Rereading this for its relevance to my current dilemma. Yeah, I see your point. What about the idea of exiting by asking the SB if she wants to continue with the arrangement? There are negative points in it already for me, and I think probably for her.

First, if the slip up is with the SB, then no need to get out of the bowl, just find a new SB. If the slip up is with your SO, then taking a break can be a good idea.

Next, IMHO, the best way to say goodbye will depend on the SB. Some SBs are whip smart, and will see you lie for what it is. In those circumstances, I've found it best to just walk away. A smart gal will know your BS as soon as it comes out of your mouth. There's no way to avoid pissing off a SB in certain circumstances, and so while telling them a lie might make you feel a little better, it won't really make much of a difference with the lady.

On the other hand, I've had SBs that have made me wonder how they made it through highschool. With a young lady like that, I usually use the "hey my investments just took a major hit" line, and then tell them that I really want to see them, but can't provide the sugar at the moment. Then they have the option of no longer seeing me or providing the pussy for free.

The other alternative, if I want to cut the SB off cold and its not an issue of having remorse about the allowance, is to tell them that my SO is getting suspicious. All my SBs know that I have a SO. When I used SA, it was listed in my profile.

As for getting back together with a SB that you haven't seen for a while, the technique I use is generally the same. Even if I completely cut off a smart SB, I'll usually follow up with a message to her that my investments are back on track now, and that I would love to see them again, or that my suspicions about my SO were wrong and that she was just upset about something else.

Unless I want to reduce the sugar allowance, I've found that the SO route works when you want a SB to really stay away. I've found that 9 times out of 10, if you tell a SB that you're having money issues, and then want to reconnect with them now that your finances are back on track, the SB will want to get "backpayments" or renegotiate the allowance with the presumption that you're doing financially better now. I've also found that the SO route gives you more control and acts as a way to truly keep a jilted SB from coming back around. Since the headache of a crazy wife is generally enough to keep a SB at bay.

I tend to use the investment problems line when I'm waivering about whether to truly cut a lady from my rotation, because by coming back with a higher allowance, I'm almost guaranteed to bring her back into the fold. So to speak.

Just my two cents. Fish out.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3086638]I've sought other posts on this unsuccessfully. I am considering saying goodbye to #1 SB b / c I am feeling vulnerable to a slip up and need to get out of the bowl after a few months (I believe this is JeezLizard's advice). I really like her though. How do I do this without feeling like a heel? Yeah, I know, I can always just evaporate. Second, has anyone resurrected a SB after a break, and if so, how was groundwork laid before and the deal closed after?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3087221] ....

In any case, happy sugaring gents. Fish out.[/QUOTE]Fish I appreciate your view point. I'm incredibly impressed you've been able to hire interns without giving up any personal information. Having beaten back more than my fair share of stalkers who were able to piece together a few bread crumbs, I'd love to hear more about you can so successfully compartmentalize. I also have a number of investments, businesses, and I've not a clue how to get interns to help with that work without giving away personal information. Anything you can share is greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;3087624]Fish I appreciate your view point. I'm incredibly impressed you've been able to hire interns without giving up any personal information. Having beaten back more than my fair share of stalkers who were able to piece together a few bread crumbs, I'd love to hear more about you can so successfully compartmentalize. I also have a number of investments, businesses, and I've not a clue how to get interns to help with that work without giving away personal information. Anything you can share is greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]I didn't see the original message, but I'll play captain obvious here for a moment to point out that the only way to hire an employee and have no link to your identity is to pay them under the table. Under reported taxes by the employee are often viewed as tax negligence, but when it's done by the employer it's usually regarded as tax fraud. So now the SB can hold a felony over your head if she doesn't get her way.

One of the most catastrophically bad ideas I've even heard of in this forum. Hiring an SB for legit employment and risking the sexual harassment aspect is batting at one level of bad ideas, but paying an SB under the table for actual employment tasks (as opposed to dating gifts) is a next-level bad idea.

Like I said, I didn't see the original message so I have no idea of what was said, but considering the history of past advice in this forum, it shouldn't take a lot of thinking to figure out that an employee either gets a W2 or she doesn't. If she doesn't, she's only an SB and not an employee (and unless she's had traumatic brain injury she will certainly realize the difference).

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3087230]Rereading this for its relevance to my current dilemma. Yeah, I see your point. What about the idea of exiting by asking the SB if she wants to continue with the arrangement? There are negative points in it already for me, and I think probably for her.[/QUOTE]If you want to continue to see her, but on a less frequent basis (in order to maintain a smokescreen from the SO), I would just throw that possibility out there and tell her this is your preference. Most of the time, a financial hiccup (assuming that's the reason you give her) is not a matter of total bankruptcy, so you can always say you just need to downsize your time with her for a while, cutting it to a fraction of what it was. At least I think that's what you're asking? I wouldn't ask her if she'd like to continue if that's not your intention, I would just create the space with no real time frame in mind.

Convey a feeling of stress and hopelessness about your new financial dilemma, and you'd be surprised at how effective it is at pushing her away. Even wives who are very much in love with their husbands always seem to leave them when the chips are down financially. You very rarely hear of a woman asking for separation or divorce right after the hubby just got a huge promotion or a windfall of cash. They wait until the chips are down to decide to quit while they are ahead, then kick us when we are down. LOL.