"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3083083]Yeah, a few thoughts:

1) Don't sh*T where you eat.

2) BE [B][u]VERY[/u][/B] careful in your "mentoring" or seduction. what you [U]commit to writing (emails, text, social media).[/U] Verbal (if NOT recorded on a cell phone) can turn into a "He said, she said" situation. Emails, text, etc. are EVIDENCE! You can tap dance around verbal, you are stuck with your words that are written.

To me this has the potential to turn into sexual harassment claim or some other situation that effects your job or career. Last thing one needs is to get a "reputation" in the corporate world that follows you around. Are you sure your business doesn't have some kind or fraternization policy in the recesses of their HR manual? You know all of that fine print and booklet everyone gets and doesn't read.

I'm sure the game can be played, it is just dicey when it is you out there.[/QUOTE]Just imagine the extortion possibilities around item 2).

A couple of years ago, there was someone that posted to this forum (or maybe I was talking to him via e-mail, I don't remember and have a tendency to forget who is who) that was telling me he regularly brings girls to his office, I guess it was shared co-working space or something and he would bang them when nobody else was around. He had not run into issues doing it, but one could do something like this with 50 girls before they run into that one who decides to make trouble (assuming they have an SO or some other reason to hide their identity. Why bring them to the office otherwise?

If someone's getting away with this regularly then great, but I wouldn't risk it unless I had no SO and the office space was leased to a business I own (at which point I would have to weigh bringing them there versus home). No matter what I wouldn't bang an employee for exactly the reasons you stated.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;3081996]So we have a proliferation of Moderate-High-Substantial SB Wannabes yet again. Just keeping a finger on the pulse of the local market. Most of them are not impressive enough to deserve Practical in my play book. My $225 girl is doing just fine for me and is a lot cuter than most.

Are these girls coming down to Earth when deal time comes or do they just sit there on a Crazy Ask waiting for the nonexistent Unicorns to canter by?[/QUOTE]I have noticed that many of the new ones in September are asking me right up front what my allowance was. So I am guessing some of them are talking with other SB's and coming on SA already knowing how it goes it here. I live in Richmond so VCU is prime ground for me. But I travel almost weekly to VA Tech and JMU areas. Have had no luck getting any easy girls there. Both places seem to have them looking for real relationships and the dreaded don't treat me like a prostitute attitude.

Anyone have any experience with this site? It is run by the same people as SA? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;3083654]Anyone have any experience with this site? It is run by the same people as SA? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Do you mean What's Your Price? It is pretty well known for having fake female accounts that encourage you to buy credits to talk to them. But I've heard of some guys who had successful hookups. It's not one I would seriously look at.

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;3083654]Anyone have any experience with this site? It is run by the same people as SA? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Some of the girls are on both sites. You can "wink" them and they will give you a price. Or you can send them a price. You have to have credits to actually message them. A friend that uses both sites likes it because it weeds out the cheap guys and the rude messages she gets on SA.

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;3083654]Anyone have any experience with this site? It is run by the same people as SA? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Most are gals on both sites trying to pick up minor ducets for a platonic date.

Fortunately for me, The only one I met from WyP was a local MILF 6 or so coffees and lunches -- no cash exchanged. Led to afternoon of no holes barred fun, repeated again a month later.

Only cost me hotel room.

Guess she did not understand the concept of the site!

If you'd like a HUGE laugh, search SA for CaliGeminiGirl in Huntington Beach. It's so over the top I wonder if it's like a woman who was deactivating but didn't want to leave her info on there, so she made stuff up.

Yes, there are quite a few submissive girls. The SB dynamic leads to it. I suspect a fair number of us are naturally dominant ourselves. I'd encourage you to explore it yourself. Chances are you might discover something about yourself. Or don't -- more for the rest of us.

There is a surprisingly high correlation between girls on SA and on fetlife.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;3083214]Just imagine the extortion possibilities around item 2).

A couple of years ago, there was someone that posted to this forum (or maybe I was talking to him via e-mail, I don't remember and have a tendency to forget who is who) that was telling me he regularly brings girls to his office, I guess it was shared co-working space or something and he would bang them when nobody else was around. He had not run into issues doing it, but one could do something like this with 50 girls before they run into that one who decides to make trouble (assuming they have an SO or some other reason to hide their identity. Why bring them to the office otherwise?

If someone's getting away with this regularly then great, but I wouldn't risk it unless I had no SO and the office space was leased to a business I own (at which point I would have to weigh bringing them there versus home). No matter what I wouldn't bang an employee for exactly the reasons you stated.[/QUOTE]Just to clarify, I proposed turning these girls into SBs, not having affairs with them. As you are famous for saying JL, there's no such thing as free pussy. And no, they aren't employees and my 'work' situation doesn't involve any kind of formal relationship with them. So its not nearly so bad as the conclusion some jumped to.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;3083287]I have noticed that many of the new ones in September are asking me right up front what my allowance was. So I am guessing some of them are talking with other SB's and coming on SA already knowing how it goes it here. I live in Richmond so VCU is prime ground for me. But I travel almost weekly to VA Tech and JMU areas. Have had no luck getting any easy girls there. Both places seem to have them looking for real relationships and the dreaded don't treat me like a prostitute attitude.[/QUOTE]If your looking for college girls most in my experience aren't looking for a relationship. If your approaching them as hookers then your not going to have much luck. Most that are on sa have friends that have had success so yes its a friend or someone they know that has gotten them to try it. Most aren't even sure if its some they want to do so its just a roll of the dice with them.

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;3083654]Anyone have any experience with this site? It is run by the same people as SA? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Yes, WYP is owned by the same dude who owns SA. WYP is the biggest scourge to Sugar Dating. I'll explain later.

WYP is a scam! They have very limited profiles available of the girls. In order to "unlock" email communication with a girl it costs you "credits". Credits are not free. Oh, and in order to unlock email communication, you have to have agreed on a price for a date! So you read a 4 line profile and look at some pictures and decide if you want to make what the site calls a "binding contract" to date a girl just to open email communications. So you bid back and forth for the date. The girls have GPS and are looking for tremendous amounts of money. Oh and the number of "credits" it costs you (I. E. Money out of your pocket) to open email depends on your "bid" on the date! So a bid of $100 might run you $10 worth of credits while a bid of $300 might run you $50 worth of credits. Oh and while you are paying to participate there, the girls pay nothing. So with no cash invested in the venture, the level of seriousness is not great.

So you foolishly bid HIGH amounts in order to get to email communication with a girl. You are soon are pizzing through a bunch of money! But here is the kicker: in my experience over half of those you start communicating with are flakes. It costs the girl nothing to join so many join and kick the tires. Then about 25% of the girls will turn out to be whackos that you don't want to meet anyway. So of the remaining ones, 20% will make a date and flake. So all of that for a 5% meet up rate? But here is the rub that most guys ignore, due to thinking with their little head, once you "have a contract to meet" (and in the site's stern warnings that is when you open email communications you have agreed on a date and made a contract) [B]the WYP site is VERY EXPLICIT with its warnings that "sex should NEVER be expected on a first date" and is not part of what is contracted for.[/B].

Right there is where males get tripped up. They think. Gee, I just agreed to pay this cute 20-something girl $300 for a date to go out to dinner, I am sure she understands I mean that to include a long romp in the hay later! Unfortunately you are dead wrong! What gives many "normal" girls the courage to follow through with something like this IS the fact that this site's concept and structure is "safe" and it is just a platonic date! In their mind just having conversation, eating free food and getting free drinks is OK, it isn't prostitution. Something a majority of the WYP girls won't do. So when they see the WYP warning that "sex should NEVER be expected on a first date" they believe it and take it to heart. So that is why many are there. Platonic dates for some easy cash!

You can test this out for yourself. Buy $100 worth of credits and get started. (I think $100 is the minimum buy in). If you bid low enough and can find girls who will agree to a minimum amount, that should get you access to 10 girls. Once you start talking with them, let's see how many flake. Then if you suggest perhaps some intimate time after the date, let's see how many actually meet. The fact that OP suggests there are many "fakes" on the site comes from this. The girls want platonic dates, the dudes want sex and when it becomes clear a dude wants sex, a girl drops out and the guys think she is a "fake!"

Hey I am sure one CAN get laid off of that site, especially if one has more money than brains. Oh, I suspect there are regional differences too. But why fork over $100 for credits on a "chance" one can find a serious enough girl using a messed up way of operating and going against all site warnings? Why do that when for $65 one can sign up for SA where there are no warnings about "sex should not be expected on the first date?" Where in fact the underlying assumption is that sex is an eventuality of any "arrangement!"

Now back to why WYP is a scourge to SB dating? The WYP fosters the concept of "platonic dating for cash. " That fine, that's their business plan, their game. I'm not down with it. But the dude who owns WYP also owns SA and as such he heavily cross promotes the WYP girls with ads about SA! So girls with a "cash for platonic dating" regularly and frequently get pushed, cajoled or wander on to the SA site. So who needs an influx of girls who don't get SB dating or who would never follow through? It helps foster the idea that one can be a SB without hitting the FC!

So go ahead and explore the WYP site and come back and tell us how you hit 10 for 10 in the FC! RIGHT!

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;3084225]Yes, there are quite a few submissive girls. The SB dynamic leads to it. I suspect a fair number of us are naturally dominant ourselves. I'd encourage you to explore it yourself. Chances are you might discover something about yourself. Or don't -- more for the rest of us.

There is a surprisingly high correlation between girls on SA and on fetlife.[/QUOTE]Messaging with a POT now, a 22 YO grad student spinner, caught her first day on SA. I usually go low-key and nice, but she's such a newbie I began to think about her being compliant. One suggestive statement in response to my leading?

'command is good. Especially in an area of expertise which I am less familiar. '.

M&G in the next day.

Be careful.

Scammer poses as a hot blonde.

Happens to be at another state and needs your $$$ to get back.

Seriously who falls for this shit?

Two profiles from NoVA / MD as examples:

Summers4 love.

Behyndmyblueyez.

So anyone have any luck with a hot 20 year old called Nicole from Ukraine. Or she may have said she was from Russia. I can't find her profile anymore on SA.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3084311]Just to clarify, I proposed turning these girls into SBs, not having affairs with them. As you are famous for saying JL, there's no such thing as free pussy. And no, they aren't employees and my 'work' situation doesn't involve any kind of formal relationship with them. So its not nearly so bad as the conclusion some jumped to.[/QUOTE]Yes I understand, but understand I was referring to the guy who brings them to his office (at least I don't think that was you? Maybe it was).

My point was that the office is going to be linked to their identity in some way if they are operating out of that office professionally. The differentiating factors between an SB or a mistress, for purposes of a married guy bringing them to the office, are effectively the same:

- Either of them can get pregnant.

- Either of them can turn on you and attempt blackmail.

- Either of them can be subpoenaed in a divorce case.

- Either of them would piss the wife off if she knew.

- A legal judgment is unlikely to be lessened because she's an SB instead of a mistress.

So there are really no circumstances where it would make sense to hide ones identity, license plate, or seek other anonymity protection and then bring a girl to the office where they work, making it much easier for them to find out everything they want to know about you (it's also a private investigators wet dream, because it makes surveillance easy in most cases).

I believe what you and I may have been talking about some time back is you were meeting girls under the pretense of a job interview then gauging their interest as an SB, which I think as fine as long as they are taken to a proper anonymous FC instead of ones workplace. Perhaps the only issue I see with it is that most girls that show up for a job interview are probably going to be a little suspicious if the interview takes place at some external place by a guy who gives his first name only. Then again, girls who are looking for a fuck-boss might already be used to that sort of meeting arrangement and be specifically looking for it.