"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Literally the last ten women I've met in their twenties are all into total dominant, bondage type sex. And they have a plethora of experience in it. One after another. I meet these women and they seem all shy, sweet and sensitive and after talking sex and such with them, come to find out they all want BDSM stuff. It's crazy! Don't get me wrong, I enjoy some aggressive play style and what not, but most of the girls are into some seriously freaky stuff. And it's often the ones you don't suspect. They seem like they want to be, "made love to" all movie like and sensual slow sex. After we get done, I usually start opening up and talking sex. Most girls enjoy this talk. And then BAM, they start saying thing like, "I had this dominant man, and I liked to be tied up, whipped, my hair pulled, choked, etc etc etc. I lay there and think, damn did I miss the boat. LOL. It's so crazy!

Anyone else experiencing this out there in the bowl?

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;3081599]Literally the last ten women I've met in their twenties are all into total dominant, bondage type sex. And they have a plethora of experience in it. One after another. I meet these women and they seem all shy, sweet and sensitive and after talking sex and such with them, come to find out they all want BDSM stuff. It's crazy! Don't get me wrong, I enjoy some aggressive play style and what not, but most of the girls are into some seriously freaky stuff. And it's often the ones you don't suspect. They seem like they want to be, "made love to" all movie like and sensual slow sex. After we get done, I usually start opening up and talking sex. Most girls enjoy this talk. And then BAM, they start saying thing like, "I had this dominant man, and I liked to be tied up, whipped, my hair pulled, choked, etc etc etc. I lay there and think, damn did I miss the boat. LOL. It's so crazy!

Anyone else experiencing this out there in the bowl?[/QUOTE]Yes and certainly no problem for me. Always been women that's been into this. Just the times where eveyone is talking or reporting it.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;3081599]Literally the last ten women I've met in their twenties are all into total dominant, bondage type sex. "I had this dominant man, and I liked to be tied up, whipped, my hair pulled, choked, etc etc etc. I lay there and think, damn did I miss the boat. LOL. It's so crazy!

Anyone else experiencing this out there in the bowl?[/QUOTE]Of the SBs I've met a higher % of them 975%) will do anal than pros that I've contacted. Most are dying to have their hair pulled and spanked and would rather have their face fucked than to suck my dick. No shortage of them talk like drunken sailors and call themselves ****** and sluts in the heat of the moment. More than a couple have been very insistent on screaming "fuck me daddy, punish me with your cock, dadddy etc" Serious daddy issues.

I think by definition, someone who wants to be "taken care of" is going to be submissive. The semi-pros and GPSers not with standing.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;3081599]Literally the last ten women I've met in their twenties are all into total dominant, bondage type sex. And they have a plethora of experience in it. One after another. I meet these women and they seem all shy, sweet and sensitive and after talking sex and such with them, come to find out they all want BDSM stuff. It's crazy! Don't get me wrong, I enjoy some aggressive play style and what not, but most of the girls are into some seriously freaky stuff. And it's often the ones you don't suspect. They seem like they want to be, "made love to" all movie like and sensual slow sex. After we get done, I usually start opening up and talking sex. Most girls enjoy this talk. And then BAM, they start saying thing like, "I had this dominant man, and I liked to be tied up, whipped, my hair pulled, choked, etc etc etc. I lay there and think, damn did I miss the boat. LOL. It's so crazy! Anyone else experiencing this out there in the bowl?[/QUOTE]IMHO overall the girls that would join an SD / SB site are going to be more sexually experimental-minded than girls met through civy online or traditional dating, because a lot of them got there via a curiosity fueled by a media / pop culture focus on fifty shades of grey and the like. We all know that the entertainment industry is in a loop of constant raising the bar in terms of shock value, while simultaneously the Internet has "lowered" the bar of censorship over the last 25 years or so. In other words things will get even weirder in the future.

In the 1970's, you'd turn on the TV in the evening and watch a Brady Bunch show and watch Peter Brady freaking out because his voice is changing due to puberty and it's affecting his singing voice. In the year 2025, the equivalent will be a family show where the equivalent kid is struggling to gain acceptance for his scat fetish among his classmates while helping his brother run a lemonade stand to save money for gender reassignment.

The girls that are on the SD websites now have grown up with constant access to porn. Like many online things, porn is addictive, and one of the side effects of addictive behavior is that at some point, you must "one up" your previous behavior to get the same rush. So, they watch a lot of porn, it gives them ideas, and they want to do things they haven't tried before. Then they up the ante, rinse and repeat. In their age bracket, "the Internet told me to do this" is common and "you only live once" is the pervading philosophy.

So yes it's common, but they are still some that seem more in touch with what they really enjoy more than what the Internet and reality shows told them they should be into. In that case it could go either way, some like it rough and some are more info affection.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;3081814]IMHO overall the girls that would join an SD / SB site are going to be more sexually experimental-minded than girls met through civy online or traditional dating, because a lot of them got there via a curiosity fueled by a media / pop culture focus on fifty shades of grey and the like. We all know that the entertainment industry is in a loop of constant raising the bar in terms of shock value, while simultaneously the Internet has "lowered" the bar of censorship over the last 25 years or so. In other words things will get even weirder in the future.

In the 1970's, you'd turn on the TV in the evening and watch a Brady Bunch show and watch Peter Brady freaking out because his voice is changing due to puberty and it's affecting his singing voice. In the year 2025, the equivalent will be a family show where the equivalent kid is struggling to gain acceptance for his scat fetish among his classmates while helping his brother run a lemonade stand to save money for gender reassignment.

The girls that are on the SD websites now have grown up with constant access to porn. Like many online things, porn is addictive, and one of the side effects of addictive behavior is that at some point, you must "one up" your previous behavior to get the same rush. So, they watch a lot of porn, it gives them ideas, and they want to do things they haven't tried before. Then they up the ante, rinse and repeat. In their age bracket, "the Internet told me to do this" is common and "you only live once" is the pervading philosophy.

So yes it's common, but they are still some that seem more in touch with what they really enjoy more than what the Internet and reality shows told them they should be into. In that case it could go either way, some like it rough and some are more info affection.[/QUOTE]Before I got my 1st baby I asked you seniors what I should take to the FC, and no one mentioned a laptop / porn. My baby is older, so perhaps that is the reason this hasn't come up with her. But what fraction of you are watching porn with your babies, and what's their demographic? In my current situation, I don't think I will be doing so when traveling and getting take-out, as my laptop reveals too much and I can't devise a simple way to purge it. Maybe she'll bring her own.

So we have a proliferation of Moderate-High-Substantial SB Wannabes yet again. Just keeping a finger on the pulse of the local market. Most of them are not impressive enough to deserve Practical in my play book. My $225 girl is doing just fine for me and is a lot cuter than most.

Are these girls coming down to Earth when deal time comes or do they just sit there on a Crazy Ask waiting for the nonexistent Unicorns to canter by?

Interesting experience after a few months in the bowl, finding a regular SB (ModelMILF, discussed on the LA thread), and going to M&Gs with a few girls in their teens: suddenly, in civi life I am getting approached by cute young women (19,20). This has happened twice in the last week. I am in a work setting where there are a large number of them around, and having these girls initiate convos and seemingly really get into them has been surprising. Some kind of pheromones or something? Sure, they *could* be platonic, but. Anyway, I am pursuing interactions with each in 'mentoring' mode (both enthusiastically emailing) and will see if I can turn them. I recall a great post by JL I think about doing this with applicants for jobs at his home. Any guidance besides his from experienced seniors would be appreciated. Of course, some bowl rules won't apply. They know who I am. Which gives me a strength I can't play in the bowl.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3081840]Before I got my 1st baby I asked you seniors what I should take to the FC, and no one mentioned a laptop / porn. My baby is older, so perhaps that is the reason this hasn't come up with her. But what fraction of you are watching porn with your babies, and what's their demographic? In my current situation, I don't think I will be doing so when traveling and getting take-out, as my laptop reveals too much and I can't devise a simple way to purge it. Maybe she'll bring her own.[/QUOTE]It really depends on the situation, I never go into a date with a plan to necessarily look at porn with the girl, but sometimes in general conversation the topic of porn or a specific porn star comes up and its nice to have a laptop nearby that's set up to either browse with her or turn her loose on it if she wants to use it, without revealing anything of yours. See my post below (near the bottom about the stripper account). I recommend this not just for porn browsing but in case she asks to look something up on the computer. In terms of percentage, I'm not really sure how often I end up watching porn on a date. Maybe 20% of the time? It either happens spontaneously or it doesn't, I never plan for it. I'd rather look at her than the computer anyway but if it helps inspire creative ideas I'm all for it.

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[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3082140]I recall a great post by JL I think about doing this with applicants for jobs at his home. [/QUOTE]Actually that was another member, I never look for girls that way.

If I did, I would never actually hire them, but perhaps use the hiring scenario as a ruse to meet them then hit them up with the idea of just being an SB. I've seen plenty of SBs post that they want both an SD and a boss combined (an actual day job where sex is an extra perk). While I of course like the concept of it (who doesn't want a hot assistant under their desk while they work), in reality I think it's a bad idea due to sexual harassment laws and such. And for a married guy its a VERY bad idea, IMO. I'm sure lots of guys never get caught but if nothing else it reveals too much about you to the girl.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;3082503]Actually that was another member, I never look for girls that way.

If I did, I would never actually hire them, but perhaps use the hiring scenario as a ruse to meet them then hit them up with the idea of just being an SB. I've seen plenty of SBs post that they want both an SD and a boss combined (an actual day job where sex is an extra perk). While I of course like the concept of it (who doesn't want a hot assistant under their desk while they work), in reality I think it's a bad idea due to sexual harassment laws and such. And for a married guy its a VERY bad idea, IMO. I'm sure lots of guys never get caught but if nothing else it reveals too much about you to the girl.[/QUOTE]'tis true about the latter, as I know from personal experience. I screwed the pooch big time doing this, long long ago. Before SA. I didn't even learn my lesson as I continued to try to find girls interested, which I used to be able to do on CL. I was doing M&Gs and getting some slap & tickle, but never got the girls to 'interview for the job'. SA is saving me from myself.

I'll have to refresh my memory about who described his ruse. I have that post saved somewhere and I need a refresher on techniques.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;3082494]It really depends on the situation, I never go into a date with a plan to necessarily look at porn with the girl, but sometimes in general conversation the topic of porn or a specific porn star comes up and its nice to have a laptop nearby that's set up to either browse with her or turn her loose on it if she wants to use it, without revealing anything of yours. See my post below (near the bottom about the stripper account). I recommend this not just for porn browsing but in case she asks to look something up on the computer. In terms of percentage, I'm not really sure how often I end up watching porn on a date. Maybe 20% of the time? It either happens spontaneously or it doesn't, I never plan for it. I'd rather look at her than the computer anyway but if it helps inspire creative ideas I'm all for it.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=3057448#post3057448[/URL].[/QUOTE]I'm unable to edit and repair the link in that post (fixed above), but I'm referring to post #12337 last paragraph. The stripper account is basically just an expendable standard user account that is not tied to your real data in any way.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;3082503]Actually that was another member, I never look for girls that way.

If I did, I would never actually hire them, but perhaps use the hiring scenario as a ruse to meet them then hit them up with the idea of just being an SB. I've seen plenty of SBs post that they want both an SD and a boss combined (an actual day job where sex is an extra perk). While I of course like the concept of it (who doesn't want a hot assistant under their desk while they work), in reality I think it's a bad idea due to sexual harassment laws and such. And for a married guy its a VERY bad idea, IMO. I'm sure lots of guys never get caught but if nothing else it reveals too much about you to the girl.[/QUOTE]Sexual harrassment laws can apply to "independent contractors" -- sites like [URL]Care.com[/URL], where the post mentioned trolling for dog sitters, baby sitters etc, has a very clear warning on it about your liability for "nanny taxes" for anyone that regularly comes to your home for domestic work. Even the whiff of nanny taxes makes you an employer in the eyes of the law, therefore open to sexual harrasment lawsuits. Duh. What SB would not want a man to hire them and fuck them -- talk about the Golden Ticket!

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;3082503]Actually that was another member, I never look for girls that way.

If I did, I would never actually hire them, but perhaps use the hiring scenario as a ruse to meet them then hit them up with the idea of just being an SB. I've seen plenty of SBs post that they want both an SD and a boss combined (an actual day job where sex is an extra perk). While I of course like the concept of it (who doesn't want a hot assistant under their desk while they work), in reality I think it's a bad idea due to sexual harassment laws and such. And for a married guy its a VERY bad idea, IMO. I'm sure lots of guys never get caught but if nothing else it reveals too much about you to the girl.[/QUOTE]I remember now. It was ILuvSmellyFish.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;3081996]Are these girls coming down to Earth when deal time comes or do they just sit there on a Crazy Ask waiting for the nonexistent Unicorns to canter by?[/QUOTE]I'm like you and tend to avoid the GPS advertised girls. But OP here mention they chase any and all girls that fit their interest / criteria and often, having game or being a nice guy, gets the girl at a rate much less than she started with.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3082140]Anyway, I am pursuing interactions with each in 'mentoring' mode (both enthusiastically emailing) and will see if I can turn them. I recall a great post by JL I think about doing this with applicants for jobs at his home. Any guidance besides his from experienced seniors would be appreciated. Of course, some bowl rules won't apply. They know who I am. Which gives me a strength I can't play in the bowl.[/QUOTE]Yeah, a few thoughts:

1) Don't sh*T where you eat.

2) BE [B][u]VERY[/u][/B] careful in your "mentoring" or seduction. what you [U]commit to writing (emails, text, social media).[/U] Verbal (if NOT recorded on a cell phone) can turn into a "He said, she said" situation. Emails, text, etc. are EVIDENCE! You can tap dance around verbal, you are stuck with your words that are written.

To me this has the potential to turn into sexual harassment claim or some other situation that effects your job or career. Last thing one needs is to get a "reputation" in the corporate world that follows you around. Are you sure your business doesn't have some kind or fraternization policy in the recesses of their HR manual? You know all of that fine print and booklet everyone gets and doesn't read.

I'm sure the game can be played, it is just dicey when it is you out there.