"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=BikeRider;3071915]Maybe review your approach. I just started a job in Chicago, and I hooked up with two beauties on my last visit. One tall latina (20) that loved wrapping her thin legs around me all night ($150 for an overnight), and one I'm not going to give details on yet. I'll just say she rivals my pediatric baby in looks but is way more open minded. We've already started discussing a minimal allowance as well as making travel plans.

A pond as big as Chicago is bound to have plenty of fish (no pun intended). If things aren't working, review your profile. Your pics, and your opening. Don't just say "hi how are you". Girls have shown me their accounts, and that's the opening that the vast majority of guys use. Look for something interesting in her profile, or say something funny. Be different.[/QUOTE]I appreciate the response however, I do not have an issue with opening dialog. It's funny though because I do get girls that message me with hey or what's up? I don't open so generically, my experience in chicago itself has been pricey but may I should look more I'm in the area not in Chicago itself but I do have tons of colleges etc. Around me. I will continue to reevaluate my approach.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;3071289] I think these days the kids celebrate their youth more through irresponsible use of social media. They know its probably a bad idea and may have future consequences, but hey they're young and you only live once right?[/QUOTE]Hey, no problem! Isn't the mantra of 20-somethings, "don't judge?

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3072775]Hey, no problem! Isn't the mantra of 20-somethings, "don't judge?[/QUOTE]I'm good with it, as long as they don't judge my gift amounts. I guess if I ever get accused of lowball gifting, I can always tell them that's her portion after I donated the bulk of it to starving and abused women in third world countries and still get a bonus hummer?

[QUOTE=Moohk;3072695]I appreciate the response however, I do not have an issue with opening dialog. It's funny though because I do get girls that message me with hey or what's up? I don't open so generically, my experience in chicago itself has been pricey but may I should look more I'm in the area not in Chicago itself but I do have tons of colleges etc. Around me. I will continue to reevaluate my approach.[/QUOTE]Hopefully you took my comments as an attempt to help out a brother.

My hits were in the burbs. Downtown could be, and probably is, an entirely different game.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;3072997]Hopefully you took my comments as an attempt to help out a brother.

My hits were in the burbs. Downtown could be, and probably is, an entirely different game.[/QUOTE]I did, and I appreciate it. I've not given up yet though I may let my account lapse as I had some potential meet and greets set up today and silence. It's all part of the game.

Does anyone have any experience with the paid services to track down phone numbers and other personal info? If you google a POTs number, sometimes you are lucky and find her, sometimes you get a hit that is behind a paywall from a site. Is it worthwhile to get a membership in those to track down actual names / addresses for current service subscribers? How about email addresses? Home addresses based on name / city?

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3073930]Does anyone have any experience with the paid services to track down phone numbers and other personal info? If you google a POTs number, sometimes you are lucky and find her, sometimes you get a hit that is behind a paywall from a site. Is it worthwhile to get a membership in those to track down actual names / addresses for current service subscribers? How about email addresses? Home addresses based on name / city?[/QUOTE]I use "people smart". Minimal charges. With that and a little research I've had very good luck in getting info on the ones I chat with on SA.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3073930]Does anyone have any experience with the paid services to track down phone numbers and other personal info? If you google a POTs number, sometimes you are lucky and find her, sometimes you get a hit that is behind a paywall from a site. Is it worthwhile to get a membership in those to track down actual names / addresses for current service subscribers? How about email addresses? Home addresses based on name / city?[/QUOTE]Many of them are scams, most of the legit services cater to licensed PIs (and yes they have some very good ones available but they pay more per month or year than the average SD would be willing to pay on an ongoing basis). There have been some come and go that I've seen but they seem fleeting, they don't stay in business long and a lot of times the info they provide for a given phone number is badly out of date or inaccurate. I stumbled a decent site a couple of years ago that gave up a staggering amount of info free, but I don't think its around.

If you do decide to try a paid service, unless the fee is negligible I'd definitely try to find one that specifically specializes in skip trace work and has a legitimate lasting business presence. Stuff like their incorporation info is public record and will help you look that up.

If you really need to know badly and it's only an occasional lookup here or there you might look into getting a licensed PI, they have access to much better tools and may be able to tell you a lot more than her address. Downside here is they will charge you for a couple of hours most likely, and tell you it will take "2-3 days" when the reality is it will take them less than 10 minutes total. But who knows maybe you'll build a rapport with one for ongoing checks with lower fees? Just be aware that he can and most likely will ask your reasons for doing this, not because he's judging your intentions but he wants to be sure its not going to come back to haunt him legally (like if the girl gets hurt). There is nothing that protects him legally like attorney-client privilege so he will want assurance he's not supporting something sinister just to make a few bucks. In terms of basic philosophy, he views his profession as an "information broker", he is a provider of facts and that's all, not a decider or influencer of fate. To give an example of what that means, if something weird happens, he's not holding back on facts in court -- providing facts are his job, not taking sides.

This also means that if for some reason you hired a local one and he found some of your girls for you, and two years later your wife unknowingly hired him to snoop on you for her, from a legal standpoint there is nothing stopping him from providing details on the work he did for you to her. Whether he would or not is a judgment call on his part but they are chasing money after all.

If anyone has any recent info on easy to use reverse phone lookup sites available to the general public that are accurate and not scams, I'd be interested in them too.

[QUOTE=ChestRockwell1;3074077]I use "people smart". Minimal charges. With that and a little research I've had very good luck in getting info on the ones I chat with on SA.[/QUOTE]Do they require you to reveal your identity to pay? I've seen some that try to scam both ends, providing a "who has been searching for me" feature, so that the person who was searched for can pay a fee to see who has done lookups on them. Puts the ball in their court to actually contact that person and say "people have been searching for you, click here and pay five bucks to find out who!" I assumed one reason they appear and disappear regularly is likely to avoid DOJ attention.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;3074307]Do they require you to reveal your identity to pay? I've seen some that try to scam both ends, providing a "who has been searching for me" feature, so that the person who was searched for can pay a fee to see who has done lookups on them. Puts the ball in their court to actually contact that person and say "people have been searching for you, click here and pay five bucks to find out who!" I assumed one reason they appear and disappear regularly is likely to avoid DOJ attention.[/QUOTE]No I didn't have to reveal my identity. The site was referred to me for using on background checks for potential employees. One thing is individuals are able to remove themselves from search options of the site. So if someone was worried their info was being looked into they can take the time to remove themselves from these type of sites.

[QUOTE=ChestRockwell1;3075456]No I didn't have to reveal my identity. The site was referred to me for using on background checks for potential employees. One thing is individuals are able to remove themselves from search options of the site. So if someone was worried their info was being looked into they can take the time to remove themselves from these type of sites.[/QUOTE]The fact that they are able to remove themselves from search options is not as bad as revealing the identity of the searcher, but it stinks a little bit of a scam, especially if they charge money for that person to remove themselves. The reason is that same company can use the same basic data sources of information to set up an infinite number of "look alike" companies, all which do the same thing, and guess what? If the SD really wants info on a girl, and he can't find her on one site, he is likely to pay another, and likewise if someone wants to make sure they are not listed from one site, they won't just be paying once, they will be paying again and again every time a new site pops up. Even if payment is not required to remove the person from the site, it's like a game of whack-a-mole trying to get your name removed from the latest site. Then whoever is running all these scam sites benefits from being paid multiple times from the same people.

Some of these mugshot sites operate on a similar premise. They scrape the photo from public record (which as far as I know is perfectly legal), then add it to their own website, and sprinkle some technical magic in it to make sure that mugshot appears early in search results on search engines. This has the desired effect of that person wanting to get their mugshot off Google as quickly as possible, oh and what do you know, there's no shortage of payment options that will allow them to do just that, and as soon as they have spent about $1500 across all websites, here comes another overseas website that's doing the same thing, and they have to keep paying into the blackmail fund to keep it off the web. Mugshots are a different topic of course, but I see it as being a similar scam that exploits search technology one way or another.

If I were a full-time SD and needed to do this regularly, I might look at something like a site called [URL]locateplus.com[/URL] (keep in mind I have no other experience with this particular site, except it looks like a legitimate skip trace business that may make itself available to the general public). They want $60 a month, but considering what we pay for dating site membership it might be worth it. Skip tracing is of course something different (and far more complicated) than just background checks and reverse phone lookups, but bottom line is that if they are a good skip tracing company they are probably going to have much better / more accurate data, and I cannot imagine they would subject themselves to dubious behavior like allowing people to hide their background. Only problem with these services is they are geared toward ongoing use, they usually have set up fees which makes it mostly not worthwhile to keep joining and canceling.

For that reason I think it might be better to enlist a PI and try to get a rapport going. Once he knows that you know it costs him all of about $3 and 10 minutes using his skip trace service membership, he might give you a discount. He might even be interested in knowing how you're getting all this hot young pussy. A very similar thing happened to me once -- years ago I had a "girlfriend" (well someone who would come to my place twice a week for fucking, tell me she loved me, then go home. LOL). Early on I could tell she was hiding something, so I randomly picked out a PI and made an appointment to see him at his office. After talking to me about my intentions a bit and realizing I just wanted to know the scoop on her, he asked for a check for $50 and said he would get back to me in a couple of days with everything about her. Yes she was married of course but that's another story. So about a month later I call him again, and its back to the office and he says "Another girl? Where are you meeting all these girls? He was maybe about 35 years old or so of course he wants to know. So I started talking to him about which bars and clubs are good to go to on which nights to meet which type of girls, and sharing some tips with him on how I work my game. So he said twenty five bucks is fine this time since I'm a repeat client. So a few months after that, I call him about yet another girl. I left him a voicemail with the girls phone number, and he called me back and told me what he had on her. I said do you want me to mail you a check or drop by the office with it? And he said "its pro-bono this time, maybe you can buy me lunch next time you're near the office or something". Maybe he tried my tips and got laid! I don't know Well I ended up moving out of the area and was in a long term relationship, and lost his business card long ago. But if I were going to do this often I would try to set something up like that again, I bet there's a lot of cool PIs that would progressively lower their fees for ongoing clients.

Alright guys, I need some of your expert friendly advice. This ones a little out of the norm. I've been in contact with a woman from sa, she's married, 28 in a bad relationship and looking for some release. Over the course of a few weeks she's opened up a good deal of her personal life to me without any pushing on my part for her to do so. She seems to be the frustrated wife of an unfaithful husband and is in search of someone who will give her attention. By no means is she a sb. Doesn't want money, dates necessarily or any of that, just someone will treat her right. Here's my dilemma, she had indicated to me what she wants, she wants intimacy but she doesn't want it with a stranger. I've told her minimal on my end as advised here. She knows my first name, that I work and have a SO. That's about the extent of it. She told me she's not comfortable being alone with some one if she doesn't know my name, as in last name. Now before you tear me apart heat me out, I've found her social media all of what she's told me checks out, to the T. I've told her I'm not comfortable with doing that. I've explained to her that like me she had a lot to lose and what we don't know about each other we can never use against each other. At this point it's an impasse we can't seem to get around.

Your thoughts on this are much appreciated.

[QUOTE=Hungre123;3076744] I've told her I'm not comfortable with doing that. I've explained to her that like me she had a lot to lose and what we don't know about each other we can never use against each other. At this point it's an impasse we can't seem to get around.[/QUOTE]Bail.

You are both uncomfortable with what the other wants. One of you has to give in, and whomever does either A) won't be able to relax fully to enjoy the experience and / or B) resent the other person for not being the one to give in.

Unless you are willing for your SO to find out -- and chances are higher she will if you reveal your identity than if you don't -- move on.

She may not be BSC, but if her unfaithful husband finds out she is banging some guy she met online, HE might figure out who you are (*like under the threat of beating her senseless) and blab to your wife just to ruin her fun.

[QUOTE=Hungre123;3076744]Alright guys, I need some of your expert friendly advice. This ones a little out of the norm. I've been in contact with a woman from sa, she's married, 28 in a bad relationship and looking for some release. Over the course of a few weeks she's opened up a good deal of her personal life to me without any pushing on my part for her to do so. She seems to be the frustrated wife of an unfaithful husband and is in search of someone who will give her attention. By no means is she a sb. Doesn't want money, dates necessarily or any of that, just someone will treat her right. Here's my dilemma, she had indicated to me what she wants, she wants intimacy but she doesn't want it with a stranger. I've told her minimal on my end as advised here. She knows my first name, that I work and have a SO. That's about the extent of it. She told me she's not comfortable being alone with some one if she doesn't know my name, as in last name. Now before you tear me apart heat me out, I've found her social media all of what she's told me checks out, to the T. I've told her I'm not comfortable with doing that. I've explained to her that like me she had a lot to lose and what we don't know about each other we can never use against each other. At this point it's an impasse we can't seem to get around.

Your thoughts on this are much appreciated.[/QUOTE]Truthfuly, I wouldn't do it. I'd have had a fake last name already, I'd dry a line, if she is really into you at all I suspect she will eventually relent. If not, it's not worth it. Do you really want her husband to have that information?

[QUOTE=Moohk;3076759]Truthfuly, I wouldn't do it. I'd have had a fake last name already, I'd dry a line, if she is really into you at all I suspect she will eventually relent. If not, it's not worth it. Do you really want her husband to have that information?[/QUOTE]I've thought about the fake last name but I'm not sure if there's any ends I need to cover to that approach.