Non Pro's

[QUOTE=MorganCreamin;5004362]Private citizens can't get your personal info from that. Every time LEO or other gov't employee asks for personal info from a license plate number it's recorded.[/QUOTE]Just to let you know (without hopefully outing myself). Anyone that works at the DOL branches could access that info quickly and I know for a fact that people do that. At the one near me there are at least two people that are addicts that "help" people register cars for drugs or money. This is first hand knowledge (meaning I was there, was told about the scams that are being run and watched the money change hands). So, the police may not be able to do it, but your minimum wage worker at the DOL can.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;5004761]Just to let you know (without hopefully outing myself). Anyone that works at the DOL branches could access that info quickly and I know for a fact that people do that. At the one near me there are at least two people that are addicts that "help" people register cars for drugs or money. This is first hand knowledge (meaning I was there, was told about the scams that are being run and watched the money change hands). So, the police may not be able to do it, but your minimum wage worker at the DOL can.[/QUOTE]Never thought about DOL, yeah, they have to run them all the time as part of their job. Still, probability is that your average hoe won't have access to that info via the "I know a guy" method.

[QUOTE=MorganCreamin;5004814]Never thought about DOL, yeah, they have to run them all the time as part of their job. Still, probability is that your average hoe won't have access to that info via the "I know a guy" method.[/QUOTE]The White Center one was shut down because of the amount of fraud that went through there. West Seattle was also shut down (rumored to be because of the same thing). I know one person fired from another office for changing docs and not charging sales tax on auto sales (done on purpose) and taking cash payments (bribes to do it). I know another person at a local office that is doing the same thing in exchange for drugs (it's crack and I'm surprised that person hasn't gotten caught yet). I would think they would have some kind of background checks or something at these places, so you never know. Your average ho shouldn't know someone, but it appears there are some shady people working there.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/d7b65c94-77ae-4557-95ef-4ab91a7b4a83[/URL]

She's might be a pro though her negotiation skills are really bad. Started out with $1500, I brought her back down to earth to a more reasonable $ ppm which includes anal and her ability to host. It's extremely unlikely I'll actually meet up with her. Photos suggest she's not my type.

[QUOTE=KuatoKuato;5005087][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/d7b65c94-77ae-4557-95ef-4ab91a7b4a83[/URL]

She's might be a pro though her negotiation skills are really bad. Started out with $1500, I brought her back down to earth to a more reasonable $ ppm which includes anal and her ability to host. It's extremely unlikely I'll actually meet up with her. Photos suggest she's not my type.[/QUOTE]She's in Houston! Did you go that far to see her?

[QUOTE=MorganCreamin;5004362]Private citizens can't get your personal info from that. Every time LEO or other gov't employee asks for personal info from a license plate number it's recorded.[/QUOTE]There is a method where citizens can get ownership and registration info from license plates. You simply place a request to the DOL for this information. The DOL then notifies the registered owner of this request and I assume they have a chance to deny releasing it, but I'm not certain of this, just assuming that it must exist. The DOL then forwards this info to whoever made the request.

I know they do this since it happened to one of my company vehicles. I received a post card in the mail stating that this entity requested the info on the particular vehicle. The entity in this case was some business from Spokane that I wasn't familiar with which seemed innocuous so I never followed up nor heard anything from them.

There is a cost which I don't recall and seen to remember it being nominal.

[QUOTE=OneSizeFitsFew;5006388]There is a method where citizens can get ownership and registration info from license plates. You simply place a request to the DOL for this information. The DOL then notifies the registered owner of this request and I assume they have a chance to deny releasing it, but I'm not certain of this, just assuming that it must exist. The DOL then forwards this info to whoever made the request.

I know they do this since it happened to one of my company vehicles. I received a post card in the mail stating that this entity requested the info on the particular vehicle. The entity in this case was some business from Spokane that I wasn't familiar with which seemed innocuous so I never followed up nor heard anything from them.

There is a cost which I don't recall and seen to remember it being nominal.[/QUOTE]I ended up biting the bullet and dropped a load in her late ast night.

[QUOTE=Fillipino;5006407]I ended up biting the bullet and dropped a load in her late ast night.[/QUOTE]I remember her stating that she was / is a debt collector so would that allow her access to special databases for debt collection to allow doxxing?

[QUOTE=MartyByrde;5006190]She's in Houston! Did you go that far to see her?[/QUOTE]No. She says she travels between Houston and Seattle and will message me the next time she's here.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/3df97ea0-18c1-4aaf-bd3f-714282df86c7[/URL]

Does anyone have any info or an experience with this lovey woman?

Has anyone ever done an arrangement with two girls such as [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7a9075ef-f21b-43df-98e8-64da8ca8e30c[/URL] I like the idea of a built in 3 way but always worried it'll be nit as much action as I am hoping for.

I have noticed in perusing SA that a lot of the women advertise "loyal" as key attribute. Why? Presumably not many of us play in the Sugar Bowl expecting monogamy. So why list this as an asset?

[QUOTE=MorganCreamin;4991109]Look who the escort life didn't agree with.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/02e8a3a3-ee74-4af6-bae8-7ed0464546e8[/URL][/QUOTE]I think she just uses SA as a way for her to collect clients. She messages me often asking to come see her at her hotel incall.

[QUOTE=TnaPorter;5010668]I think she just uses SA as a way for her to collect clients. She messages me often asking to come see her at her hotel incall.[/QUOTE]She was a pro even before she started advertising as an escort, she was already starting to charge in terms of time limits. Very pro behavior.

[QUOTE=MaCross19;5010643]Has anyone ever done an arrangement with two girls such as [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7a9075ef-f21b-43df-98e8-64da8ca8e30c[/URL] I like the idea of a built in 3 way but always worried it'll be nit as much action as I am hoping for.[/QUOTE]I did it once. I guess not the traditional way, I had a SB that wanted to make me happy bring a friend. All I can say was that it was cute. They didn't do much with each other, but one did sit on my face while the other blew me. I liked that. It was obvious they were just friends and doing it for the money and not really into it. After we finished, they then fought about the split of the money. I gave one of them an extra $200 because I felt she got screwed in the deal (and because of that, I still see her to this day. We are now good FWB and I rarely give her money).

To me, I've been in more than my share of 3 somes and it really doesn't work unless the women are into it (or they're really drunk). If they are doing it just to make you happy or for money it's going to suck. It's nowhere near as good as the porn.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;5011161]I did it once. I guess not the traditional way, I had a SB that wanted to make me happy bring a friend. All I can say was that it was cute. They didn't do much with each other, but one did sit on my face while the other blew me. I liked that. It was obvious they were just friends and doing it for the money and not really into it. After we finished, they then fought about the split of the money. I gave one of them an extra $200 because I felt she got screwed in the deal (and because of that, I still see her to this day. We are now good FWB and I rarely give her money).

To me, I've been in more than my share of 3 somes and it really doesn't work unless the women are into it (or they're really drunk). If they are doing it just to make you happy or for money it's going to suck. It's nowhere near as good as the porn.[/QUOTE]True that. Could not agree more. I have not done this too many times, but everytime I have paid for this, it has been not a stellar appointment. BTW Michael to your last line. YEah in porn they are doing it for the money too. But the motivation seems to be different. BTW one of these ladies (see pic below) used to post on SA as solo. I remember to speaking to her and I remember the deal fell through for some reason. Cannot remember her name or why it fell through though. But do remember definitely speaking to this lady.

It seems like lately I get a lot of ladies (assuming they're real and not fake profiles) favoriting me who are located in South America, like Venezuela or Colombia, or Philippines. Are you too? I would presume they want $$ for pictures & videos, which I'm 100% not into. It is annoying however to deep hiding them to de-clutter. Just curious if anyone else gets a lot of these too.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;5011161]I did it once. I guess not the traditional way, I had a SB that wanted to make me happy bring a friend. All I can say was that it was cute. They didn't do much with each other, but one did sit on my face while the other blew me. I liked that. It was obvious they were just friends and doing it for the money and not really into it. After we finished, they then fought about the split of the money. I gave one of them an extra $200 because I felt she got screwed in the deal (and because of that, I still see her to this day. We are now good FWB and I rarely give her money).

To me, I've been in more than my share of 3 somes and it really doesn't work unless the women are into it (or they're really drunk). If they are doing it just to make you happy or for money it's going to suck. It's nowhere near as good as the porn.[/QUOTE]When I first got on SA, you never or rarely saw duals. Now it seems more common. Call me paranoid but they just seem like scams to me. I think your situation is different since your established SB brought friend. I'd be curious to know if anyone has had any success with these ladies that are advertising as a dual.

Why do some of these sugar daddies tell their babies to charge everyone more? I've had great nights in the past with some babies and then, when I reach out again, they tell me about a daddy that told them to raise their rates, even though the baby was a mess to begin with. I've run into this a few times and it's annoying. I understand rewarding them with gifts or nice things from time to time, but come on.

[QUOTE=KuatoKuato;5011754]It seems like lately I get a lot of ladies (assuming they're real and not fake profiles) favoriting me who are located in South America, like Venezuela or Colombia, or Philippines. Are you too? I would presume they want $$ for pictures & videos, which I'm 100% not into. It is annoying however to deep hiding them to de-clutter. Just curious if anyone else gets a lot of these too.[/QUOTE]At one point, I assumed I must have been friended by every Venezuelan SB in the world. Yeah, it's annoying.

[QUOTE=CoffeeTurd;5012036]Why do some of these sugar daddies tell their babies to charge everyone more? I've had great nights in the past with some babies and then, when I reach out again, they tell me about a daddy that told them to raise their rates, even though the baby was a mess to begin with. I've run into this a few times and it's annoying. I understand rewarding them with gifts or nice things from time to time, but come on.[/QUOTE]I don't think it works that way. What I think happens is that they take a certain amount and then someone throws a price out there that's higher than everyone else and then that raises the bar for what they are willing to accept. They may never get that price is again, but that is now officially what they believe they are worth. It's interesting because I usually do about $300 for a PPM. Some people turn their noses up at it and some immediately jump on it because they usually don't get offered that much.

It's like the one day I drove from West Seattle to Redmond and it took 20 minutes during rush hour. So, whenever someone asks me how long it takes to get to Redmond from West Seattle, I say it takes 20 minutes, but I'm sure that was a once in lifetime thing. The SBs are doing the same thing. She's going to read this because she checks this site, but I was with someone a few weeks ago and she said someone paid her $500 to have pizza date. The truth is, that 99.99999% of the time no one is going to pay her $500 to go on a pizza date, but that has set the bar for her expectations.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;5012292]She's going to read this because she checks this site, but I was with someone a few weeks ago and she said someone paid her $500 to have pizza date. The truth is, that 99.99999% of the time no one is going to pay her $500 to go on a pizza date, but that has set the bar for her expectations[/QUOTE]Unless you're Bobby Axelrod or a multi-millionaire, that amount of a donation just for pizza. Yeah, not believing that for a second. I believe she told you that, but I don't believe her.

[QUOTE=KuatoKuato;5011754]It seems like lately I get a lot of ladies (assuming they're real and not fake profiles) favoriting me who are located in South America, like Venezuela or Colombia, or Philippines. Are you too? I would presume they want $$ for pictures & videos, which I'm 100% not into. It is annoying however to deep hiding them to de-clutter. Just curious if anyone else gets a lot of these too.[/QUOTE]It is a common occurrence, some are looking for a man in the USA because the economy and life is difficult in their country, for others they are trying to scam you.

Nice girl, we just didn't click. 250 bare cip can't host. No I won't share her number.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/9d2534c8-caaa-47f3-a74a-251b98ebd923[/URL]

[QUOTE=TwoPop;5012603]It is a common occurrence, some are looking for a man in the USA because the economy and life is difficult in their country, for others they are trying to scam you.[/QUOTE]I was bored and scanning the channels, and ended up watching "90 Day Fiance" At first, I started watching because they were showing a scene with a hot looking girl, and kept watching because it was such a train wreck you can't help but watch. A consistent thought, especially about this one overweight dude with hair plugs flying to Brazil or some other South American country to meet these hot chicks, hoping to marry one. I kept thinking what a pathetic putz. Then I log on to SA to delete all the girls from Latin America and Russia that are favoriting me without ever seeing my profile, and think, what pathetic putz falls for this crap?

[QUOTE=Diver6390;5013279]I was bored and scanning the channels, and ended up watching "90 Day Fiance" At first, I started watching because they were showing a scene with a hot looking girl, and kept watching because it was such a train wreck you can't help but watch. A consistent thought, especially about this one overweight dude with hair plugs flying to Brazil or some other South American country to meet these hot chicks, hoping to marry one. I kept thinking what a pathetic putz. Then I log on to SA to delete all the girls from Latin America and Russia that are favoriting me without ever seeing my profile, and think, what pathetic putz falls for this crap?[/QUOTE]The same ones that believe that a provider must be in love with them because she is so nice to him and it has nothing to do with the fact that he's paying her.

[QUOTE=TheNovelist;5012457]Unless you're Bobby Axelrod or a multi-millionaire, that amount of a donation just for pizza. Yeah, not believing that for a second. I believe she told you that, but I don't believe her.[/QUOTE]Yes. On the surface it sounds a little far-fetched, but I watched guys do stupider shit to impress someone. I actually believe her because she wasn't doing anything to try and impress me. We had a one-time meeting and she was talking about the people she met and mentioned the pizza date. It was pretty obvious that we would never see each other again, so it wasn't like she was setting herself up to get more money from me, but she said she was getting tired of guys offering $250 to fuck her when she can get paid $500 to eat pizza.

[QUOTE=TwoPop;5012603]It is a common occurrence, some are looking for a man in the USA because the economy and life is difficult in their country, for others they are trying to scam you.[/QUOTE]Indeed, if you've ever mongered abroad you quickly realize that you are often just an ATM to them. Some are actually looking for a long term situation but there is and always will be a financial component with them. Take Thailand, for example. You can easily find a girl to marry and bring home, I know several guys that have done it, but you will always have to support her family and send them money. It's like a never-ending pussy tax.

In Latin America they are usually just looking for a path to US residency / citizenship, same with Eastern European women. Last time I was in LatAm I pre-arranged a meeting with a hot ass girl with the biggest tits I've ever had my hands on and I knew what she was up to. I just played the game like we were dating and having fun and so on. When it was getting near the end of my time there she started on the whole "maybe I can come visit you, you can buy me a place ticket" etc and so forth. I try not to lie to them so I kept things vague. Of course, there was no ticket purchased but she was well compensated for her time and activities while I was in-country.

It's not so much a scam as it is an opportunity for some, though you absolutely will find those that will play you and even play the long con. As a dude, you just have to know the rules and understand what you are and are not getting. Find a hot Russian girl and bring her to US to marry her? Fine, but you damned well better sign a pre-nup or you run the risk of getting served divorce papers the day after she takes her naturalization oath. She never loved you, she just wanted that US passport and whored herself out for three to five years to get it. So sign that pre-nup, get some really good id-theft protection, and fuck the shit our of her for a few years- everybody wins.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;5013644]Yes. On the surface it sounds a little far-fetched, but I watched guys do stupider shit to impress someone. I actually believe her because she wasn't doing anything to try and impress me. We had a one-time meeting and she was talking about the people she met and mentioned the pizza date. It was pretty obvious that we would never see each other again, so it wasn't like she was setting herself up to get more money from me, but she said she was getting tired of guys offering $250 to fuck her when she can get paid $500 to eat pizza.[/QUOTE]Maybe my ex-sd was lying, but she told me her new SD tells her to up her prices because she deserves more. Sometimes when you call the bluff, they try to negotiate to save face, but this one didn't and that's fine. Just hope it doesn't happen with someone I like.

[QUOTE=KuatoKuato;5011754]It seems like lately I get a lot of ladies (assuming they're real and not fake profiles) favoriting me who are located in South America, like Venezuela or Colombia, or Philippines. Are you too? I would presume they want $$ for pictures & videos, which I'm 100% not into. It is annoying however to deep hiding them to de-clutter. Just curious if anyone else gets a lot of these too.[/QUOTE]Yep, and this may be cruel but you can have fun with them, ask them to email you pics, or if they say they want to come to the US on a visa and marry you tell them that you will only propose once they are pregnant, they will drop after that.

I have been poking around there recently and found girls that you know are pros, ones looking to sell pics, once looking for weekly allowance that is high, and there are a few that are looking for just a few bucks and some attention.

She is wanting 500 per meet, wants you to provide the hotel.

Sounds like no limits, I will update if I hear more and what experience is if she is willing to go lower.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/messages/inbox/da4b3c50-c9db-4442-a322-00b5de14e05c[/URL]

[QUOTE=BrstMan;5015703]She is wanting 500 per meet, wants you to provide the hotel.

Sounds like no limits, I will update if I hear more and what experience is if she is willing to go lower.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/messages/inbox/da4b3c50-c9db-4442-a322-00b5de14e05c[/URL][/QUOTE]You posted a link to your messages with her, this is her profile.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/2b331aee-5968-41c3-ac7c-e77eec66433a[/URL]

She started asking $400 and the when up to $500 that's all it has been discussed about her.

[QUOTE=DelToro;5015803]You posted a link to your messages with her, this is her profile.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/2b331aee-5968-41c3-ac7c-e77eec66433a[/URL]

She started asking $400 and the when up to $500 that's all it has been discussed about her.[/QUOTE]She quoted me $500, cannot host, requires condoms, and said she doesn't enjoy anal. I'm considering a meet up because she sounds like a sure thing and has big meaty boobs. All said however she's chunkier than I prefer and feel like $500 could go just as far with someone else who is physically fit.

[QUOTE=DelToro;5015803]You posted a link to your messages with her, this is her profile.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/2b331aee-5968-41c3-ac7c-e77eec66433a[/URL]

She started asking $400 and the when up to $500 that's all it has been discussed about her.[/QUOTE]I was able to talk more with her, she seems set at 500 for 1. 5 hours, will not do BB as she says she isn't on birth control, I would be tempted if she did BB but won't bite at that rate for CFS.

[QUOTE=MorganCreamin;5013844]Indeed, if you've ever mongered abroad you quickly realize that you are often just an ATM to them. Some are actually looking for a long term situation but there is and always will be a financial component with them. Take Thailand, for example. You can easily find a girl to marry and bring home, I know several guys that have done it, but you will always have to support her family and send them money. It's like a never-ending pussy tax.
In Latin America they are usually just looking for a path to US residency / citizenship, same with Eastern European women. Last time I was in LatAm I pre-arranged a meeting with a hot ass girl with the biggest tits I've ever had my hands on and I knew what she was up to. I just played the game like we were dating and having fun and so on. When it was getting near the end of my time there she started on the whole "maybe I can come visit you, you can buy me a place ticket" etc and so forth. I try not to lie to them so I kept things vague. Of course, there was no ticket purchased but she was well compensated for her time and activities while I was in-country.
It's not so much a scam as it is an opportunity for some, though you absolutely will find those that will play you and even play the long con. As a dude, you just have to know the rules and understand what you are and are not getting. Find a hot Russian girl and bring her to US to marry her? Fine, but you damned well better sign a pre-nup or you run the risk of getting served divorce papers the day after she takes her naturalization oath. She never loved you, she just wanted that US passport and whored herself out for three to five years to get it. So sign that pre-nup, get some really good id-theft protection, and fuck the shit our of her for a few years- everybody wins.[/QUOTE]Similar story. Hooked up with this almost perfect 10 eastern European from Belarus when we both vacationing overseas. She was a ex-ballet dancer and was also decently smart so could could actually hold a good conversation. Got talking to her and we ended up in my room. Spent a few days together drank and promised to meet again. She finally came to the US on a tourist visa and lived with me in Chicago for a bit. The deal was she would come over on a tourist visa and stay with me for a month max. I would show her around the US and have a fun few weeks together before she had to head back to university back home. Perfect. So she flies over and the first couple weeks are good. Of course I paid for everything (did not mind one bit) I was single and did well for myself at that time lived in a nice condo downtown overlooking Lake Michigan. Life was good. Why not. Then I start noticing that she was REALLY racist. Kept putting the US down. Kept referring to herself as European. It was frigging insane. After about 3 weeks there is NO mention of her leaving so I casually ask about college and when she was planning on getting on with her education etc. Well she says that she is not sure she wants to go back just yet. This and that. I drop the topic. After about 5 weeks we are out at dinner and she starts up on that European thing again and I politely point out that Belarus is more Russian than European. She of course took another large gulp of her expensive wine and gave me a really cold stare. Finally after about 6 weeks I told her that I had some friends coming over and really needed the extra space in my condo. Besides we were not really going to ride off into the sunset together. We both knew that. So when did she plan to return to "Europe" Another really icy look from her and finally after 7. 5 weeks I dropped her ass off at the airport and was free of her. Funny. She kept saying she hated the US. And acted like she was superior. But when it came time to leave. Wanted nothing more than to stay. I bet if she managed to latch on to some bloke in Chicago, she probably would never have left. Weird and full of contradictions. That is how I remember those 8 weeks. But man she was probably the best looking fuck buddy I ever had and so it was not that terrible after all.

[QUOTE=BrstMan;5015942]I was able to talk more with her, she seems set at 500 for 1. 5 hours, will not do BB as she says she isn't on birth control, I would be tempted if she did BB but won't bite at that rate for CFS.[/QUOTE]CFS with a time limit at that rate is just ridiculous.

The three SBs I have in my current rotation are as good looking, fuck bare for 3 hours or longer for 300 or less. Don't over pay.

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;5015972]But man she was probably the best looking fuck buddy I ever had and so it was not that terrible after all.[/QUOTE]I've had a few Russian (or from that region anyway) hookers in Dubai that could have been on magazine covers. So hot it was hard to believe. The problem with women from that part of the world, as it seems you found out, is that they all seem to be hyper-emotional, prone to drama, and at least a little bit psycho. Everyone I know who's hooked up with someone from the former Soviet Bloc for any length of time has a similar story to tell.

If I ever consider hosting an immigrant again, and I might if the whole fucking country doesn't fall apart in the next few months, I would definitely go back to Thailand. The women there are just more naturally submissive and don't really do drama, in my experience. It's much harder to find a Thai girl with a nice rack, though.

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;5015972]... It was frigging insane. ... I politely point out that Belarus is more Russian than European. She of course took another large gulp of her expensive wine and gave me a really cold stare...[/QUOTE]You are lucky she didn't throw that expensive wine, glass and all, in your face.

If you date any Russian girl (even ones who have been in America since kindergarten) you will have to deal with crazy drama, broken glass, and really awkward situations. It seems like the more expensive and nicer the place you are visiting, the more extreme the meltdown.

They are great when they are on their back or on their knees but don't even try to take them to a nice restaurant.

Oh, and they are *all* racist. Even the ones who hide it.

Another GPS.

Babyliyah19.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/3fa8d0d5-7b24-4dad-b288-0912d1b78b45[/URL]

She told me that an allowance would not be sufficient. She said frequent gifts were also required. She said she had one previous sugar daddy, and he gave her 1000 to fuck her one time. So it looks like that guy ruined it for the rest of us. Also, she is a little heaver than I like. I'm thinking 250-300 max.

[QUOTE=BrstMan;5015942]I was able to talk more with her, she seems set at 500 for 1. 5 hours, will not do BB as she says she isn't on birth control, I would be tempted if she did BB but won't bite at that rate for CFS[/QUOTE]I took the plunge and did a meet & greet just to see whether photos were accurate. They are. She was really distracted, kind of antsy. We talked about setting up a real date and then parted ways. I doubled back to see where she was going, since when we met at Starbucks she walked in which was weird given the location was really a driving location. Not a pedestrian friendly area. She climbed into a car with someone behind the wheel. I couldn't tell whether it was another woman or a man with a pony tail, which I suspect, and also suspect is a pimp which would explain some of the nuances of our meet & greet in terms of her body language, level of engagement with the conversation and kind of very vanilla generic answers she gave about herself in our chit & chat.

I'm kind of inclined to pass, as I don't want to be with a pro.