"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Hey BT,

Congratulations on your double header! Keep up the good work, though you don't need me to remind you LOL!

Scott

You guys rock! Maybe it is a function of getting old (er) , but I am only good for one time / day. I am envious of you stud's ability to be multiorgasmic in one session, or even one day. Two different Babes in one day is outstanding. I'm just thrilled to have my HYCB who I am loving on and living vicariously through you guys. Big Tigg, you have truly become an official multifucker.

Again Scott has supplied us with another learning experience. The axiom is : When we lose the love of our life, there is another one to take her place.

We should do a book based on "scottyisms _ much like Confucious.

Still cannot believe this, but I am a little cautious here!

WB2 is still on the hook (30's MILF) , we are still planning to meet for a meal, but then she is hot to trot back to her place!

What has entered the mix is an 18 year old HOT petite black babe. HWB1. We ended up text'ing for a few hours, she says she has experienced sex, but not done the actual deed! I was sceptical, but a couple of pictures later I was starting to believe. She really wants to meet, for food first, and then get a room.

I was really starting to think this could be a sting and I eventually called the #. I DEFINITELY got a young black girl on the line. She was shy, but clearly excited to be loosing her virginity this coming week, and also getting some much needed $$.

Current plans are for Monday evening! I will let you know how it goes. You can bet I will ask to see her I'd first. I don't want to take a state vacation!

I have MANY WBs lined up for my next business travels, I am finding that the poorer parts of hte state are RICH hunting grounds as prostitution is almost 100% clamped down by Uncle Leo!

Happy fishing.

GW

[QUOTE=GuyWoodson; 1400603]I eventually called the. I DEFINITELY got a young black girl on the line. She was shy, but clearly excited to be loosing her virginity this coming week, and also getting some much needed $$.

Current plans are for Monday evening! I will let you know how it goes.[/QUOTE]Hey Woodie,

This has got to be a first! Good luck with that, my friend. Dinner first is definitely a good idea. If it were a sting, they would not drag it out for an hour or more. Just be sure to keep it as much like a real date as you can, maybe even a parody of "normalcy". I'm sure I'm just being paranoid. Can't wait to read the report.

As an aside, do you all feel that we are on the verge of some sort of SD Era of Glory? Two double headers, now Woodie and his virgin, we are just waiting for an HCB three-way I suppose. Droo?

Lunch with my ATF was very pleasant, and natural and easy as always, but I feel a small corner of my heart is beginning to grow cold, and if I squint my eyes, I think I can just barely make out The End. Who knows, my brothers, who knows? The path can always take an unexpected turn, but matters will not be helped by my work load the next few weeks.

Meanwhile, daydreams of Polo are causing me to drive up on the sidewalk or sit idle at my desk for minutes on end. She makes this funny sound when she cums, like a mixture of "oh" and trying to clear her throat, but with her mouth closed, and it's perfectly timed to her contractions, which Scottie enjoys feeling ever so much. I'm not totally happy with my description, which sounds a little icky, but trust me, it is not. Think of a very light, breathy grunt. Anyway, it's hot.

Have a great weekend, and don't forget to write.

Scott

[QUOTE=Hernando;1399944]You guys rock! Maybe it is a function of getting old (er) , but I am only good for one time / day. I am envious of you stud's ability to be multiorgasmic in one session, or even one day.[/QUOTE]Nando,

There is no way I could achieve that either without assistance from the chem lab. I am currently using a generic Viagra that I ordered on line from one of the places recommended in the "Viagra" thread right here on USASG. I forget the source, but I think it was close to "24 hour chemist", or something like that. Anyway, there is extensive posting on which is the most reliable retailer, which is how I chose it, after a very unfortunate experiment with an "herbal equivalent", that almost gave me a heart attack.

Pop one of those little blue beauties about a half hour before curtain, and you will perform like a porn star for hours. One of the recommendations is that you take it on an empty, or nearly so, stomach. I ignored that once, and did in fact find that the effects were somewhat lessened, but Scottie still rose to the occasion like the champ that he is. Anecdotal evidence apparently suggests that taking it with grapefruit juice enhances the experience, but I'm good with plain old tap water. Some posters also cautioned against alcohol, saying that it completely neutralizes the effects, but I have not found that to be an issue at all, thankfully.

Hope this is helpful to any and all who are looking to extend their playtime.

Scott

Scotty, I am happy to hear you have a new ATF. The writing IS on the wall and your former ATF screwed the pooch by letting your leash go. Such a good lesson for these girls to learn if only there was a forum to teach them. This could also apply to us even though there seems to be plenty of available beauties out there waiting to swept off trheir feet (and into the bed)

If you decide to end it with ATF perhaps offer her the option to market her contract to another needy SD. She sounds like she is a special girl. All things come to an end do they not?

RE: chemical enhancement Vit V is excellent but I have discovered an even better option for enhancing function. It might sound horrible to all of you but it truly is a miracle. It is called ICI or "intracorporeal injection " with vasoactive meds, primarily Prostaglandin E2. You basically inject medicine into your penis with an incredibly small needle using a comercially available injector device. It's painless and you will get the hardest erection you have ever had that lasts from one to three hours. Even after ejaculation the erection persists. Now if you fire after 5 minutes and you are having sex with your wife or a coyote you don't want to spend 3 hours with, don't use it. You can get it from your neighborhood Urologist.

[QUOTE=Hernando;1401207]You basically inject medicine into your penis with an incredibly small needle using a commercially available injector device.[/QUOTE]Jesus, Nando!

I almost fainted when I read this. You are a brave, brave man, my brother, and clearly far more macho than me, LOL. I will stick with my little blue vitamin!

Scott

[QUOTE=Hernando;1401207]You basically inject medicine into your penis with an incredibly small needle using a comercially available injector device.[/QUOTE]I have to agree with Master Scott, no matter what it might do to extend my 'staying power', there is no WAY I'm gonig to stick a needle in in my dick!

If it works for you, more power to you sir.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1401237]Jesus, Nando!

I almost fainted when I read this. You are a brave, brave man, my brother, and clearly far more macho than me, LOL.

Scott[/QUOTE]Brave. Or inventive, not sure. Bangin those coyote's is maybe the only thing that I've left out of the bucket list.

[QUOTE=Hernando;1401207]Now if you fire after 5 minutes and you are having sex with your wife or a coyote .[/QUOTE]Nando, you are a hoot Dude. I get it, but that was one funny line. And maybe the biggest joke of all is bangin the wife for 3 hrs.

That would be the end of things right there. LOL She would refer you to the coyote or your HYCB, but just don't try to use that thing around her for any more than 10 mins at an interval, or there will be hell to pay. LMFAO

#1. 19YO white college student from CL, living in the dorms and needing money for a car. She looks cute as hell in the pic she sent me. I've been trying to give her $ for an initial meeting in public for three weeks now, but she keeps getting close to making plans then having something come up. I persist because of this that she wrote in an email to me: "I happen to have a love for sex and a need for money. I am actually a very nice girl. Don't want you to get the wrong impression of me. I like sex pretty much anywhere in pretty much any position. I like being taken control of so if you want to tie me up or handcuff me, please do. Also I like it rough so do not worry about going easy on me. I also can get pretty loud so if that is a problem let me know, or if there is anything you would like me to call you in bed let me know. I'm hoping you can show me how a real man does it." Sounds TGTBT, so I'm skeptical it may actually be a guy getting his jollies or something, though she does at least have a working knowledge of the VCU campus. Spring Break is this coming week, so we'll see what happens next week.

#2. 20YO white college student from SA. We met this week for dinner for $. She talked mostly about herself the entire two hours, but I didn't mind because I've never been so mesmerized by such beautiful eyes and such perfect perky C cups in a tight t-shirt. I really was enjoying just staring at her. Very pretty, and sweet. She said I was the first guy she'd met from SA and that most guys who emailed her seemed creepy. I texted her later that night to say I enjoyed our night and got no reply, so I figured she wasn't into me.

#3. 23YO Asian girl from CL. We met later on Thursday at a bar for just. 25. She's the hottest one yet, but I really love Asians. Our conversation didn't go that great so I was feeling pessimistic, but I texted her Friday and things seemed better. I offered her $$$$ for the first night and $$/night for two nights weekly after and she accepted. It's more than I planned to spend, but she's so hot that I am desperate to have her and lost my wits. It'll be worth it, though. We were both busy this weekend so we agreed she'll come over one night this week, so I'm crossing my fingers this will work out.

My interest in #2 dropped as soon as I met #3 so I didn't contact #2 any more, but then she contacted me on Saturday and asked if I wanted an arrangement. In my initial email to her, I'd offered $$$/week, so I restated that and said I'd need 2 nights a week for 3-4 hours / night. She countered that most guys had offered her $$$$/week to meet 1 night for 3-4 hours, or $$$$$/week for 2 nights for 2 hours / night. I told her that was too much for me. She said she'd accept $$$/week for 1 night for 3-4 hours. I replied that I need at least two nights a week, so the only compromise I could make would be on hours per night. She said sorry, no deal. I was a little surprised she drove such a hard bargain considering that, based on what she told me, I estimate my offer was equal to her current full-time job income.

I'm thinking her decent experience meeting me may embolden her to now meet some other guys from SA, so I'll be curious to see if I hear back from her afterward. I'm kind of hoping she'll meet a few guys even grosser than me and then accept my offer. Though hopefully not before things have run their course with the Asian girl, as $$$$/week to #3 plus $$$/week to #2 is not a sustainable pace for me.

[QUOTE=UKnowWho; 1401524]#1. 19YO white college student from CL, living in the dorms and needing money for a car. She looks cute as hell in the pic she sent me. I've been trying to give her $ for an initial meeting in public for three weeks now, but she keeps getting close to making plans then having something come up.

#2. 20YO white college student from SA. We met this week for dinner for $.

#3. 23YO Asian girl from CL. We met later on Thursday at a bar for just. 25.[/QUOTE]Who,

Are you saying that you are giving them sugar just to meet you? I am wondering if this does not set you up, in their minds, as an easy mark, and might explain why you are having such intense sugar negotiations afterwards. I'd love to hear from some of the other brothers on this, but I have never paid a baby to have coffee or dinner with me, and don't really think it's necessary.

Are they suggesting it, or are you? As I said, I think you might be shooting yourself in the foot at the very start if you do this. Maybe you should just let these three play out as they may, and start fresh with SB#4 and see how it goes from there.

Let us know what happens,

All the best,

Scott

[QUOTE=F Scott;1401621]Are you saying that you are giving them sugar just to meet you? I am wondering if this does not set you up, in their minds, as an easy mark, and might explain why you are having such intense sugar negotiations afterwards. I'd love to hear from some of the other brothers on this, but I have never paid a baby to have coffee or dinner with me, and don't really think it's necessary.[/QUOTE]Yes. I couldn't get a good feel from reading through here if that was common or not, but I decided that would be my strategy. Whether I'll stick with it or not remains to be seen. My theory was that it will save me the hassle of having to convince the girl that I am serious about helping her, and also eliminates / reduces the amount of getting-to-know-you emailing I have to do. E. G. For #2, I just emailed her my offer on SA, she said ok, and then it was just a couple of emails back and forth to plan when and where we'd meet.

But, you're right that if it sets sugar expectations too high, it may win the battle but lose the war.

I'd be curious to hear how much "leg work" it requires to get one of these babies to meet for dinner for free. Convenience is a large part of my motivation for trying this.

[QUOTE=UKnowWho; 1401635]Yes. I couldn't get a good feel from reading through here if that was common or not, but I decided that would be my strategy. Whether I'll stick with it or not remains to be seen. My theory was that it will save me the hassle of having to convince the girl that I am serious about helping her, and also eliminates / reduces the amount of getting-to-know-you emailing I have to do. E. G. For #2, I just emailed her my offer on SA, she said ok, and then it was just a couple of emails back and forth to plan when and where we'd meet.

But, you're right that if it sets sugar expectations too high, it may win the battle but lose the war.

I'd be curious to hear how much "leg work" it requires to get one of these babies to meet for dinner for free. Convenience is a large part of my motivation for trying this.[/QUOTE]In fact, offering sugar for meets and dinner may be counter productive. You may find SB that accept the dinner sugar and go no further, whereas no sugar keeps the attention focused and motivation high, if in fact it is there at all. I don't think you need to convince these babies you are serious, they will take the chance of meeting and you dangle the carrot (at dinner or coffee) based on a future meet in the fc, and the serious babies will come thru. Maybe do as BitTig does at these first meetings, offer gas money... .20 for making the trip, but unexpectedly and not prenegotiated in any way.

Leg work; it varies. On your technique, and no amount of sugar upfront will replace this. So you need to read, read, read here from the beginning preferably, and learn from some of these masters of the sb arrangement. Literal2, Scott, Nando, Spit, BigTig, et al, can have you commanding these SB's in little time, if you follow their input from their experiences and teachings. Hell, with the kind of sugar that you are offering these sb's, maybe one of the above would broker the deal for a fee, and have you tasting the goodies for lots less than you are currently offering. Joking, of course, but what you need is expereince of how to land these sb's without dangling a wad of $$$ in advance, or so much even at time of insertion. Seems like by dangling a mega wad you are setting yourself up as a mark to be had by the sb, meaning you may get f'kd in a way you hadn't planned. Also, negotiating sugar via email could also bring some unwanted attention in the form of LE. Don't think they wouldn't love to make an example out of someone who is using SA, SD / SB, and other media dedicated to the hobby. Careful out there.

Who,

On average, I communicate, either by email or telephone, with a potential baby about three to four times before we arrange a Meet&Greet. Some are more, some are less. I like to get a sense from them if there are any issues to be aware of, and also to see if I can sniff out whether they are pros or semis, something I've decided I want to avoid.

I have said before that my ratio of meeting to bedding is about 4 to 1, but I think it is somewhat less than that, maybe even as low as 2 to 1. I believe the reason for this is that I put in the time to pre-screen.

Frankly, it is part of the fun for me, and as Droo and others have said, we should expect to have to seduce these little fish. The ones that readily come to the net when they catch site of some bennies are maybe too close to a P4P situation, at least for me. That being said, I have had things fall completely apart at the eleventh hour over the amount of sugar some of them have requested to get panties on the floor, and I'm fine with that. To my mind, it is all part of the game.

Update: I put pen to paper and made an actual tally of all the babies I have had a face-to-face with, whether I ended up fucking them or not, and the total number is 25, with an additional 6 that were no-shows. Out of the 25 that I actually met, I successfully landed 17, so my average is better than I thought. Again, I believe this is due to the upfront time that I like to take. Some contacts don't ever get to the M&G stage; they either stop communicating, or I drift away for one reason or another.
However, if I look at my total count of off-site emails from SA contacts, it is slightly over 100. Some of these I found out were moonlighting pros, but most were legit amateur babies, so looked at in terms of total contacts to babies bedded, I suck at this. Now to be fair I did not, for one reason or another, hit everyone of them with all my powers of persuasion, so maybe my average could have gone up if I had, but I'll never know. Some of them, after a few back and forths, just seemed to not be my type. Nando 1's, airheads, too immature, too needy, too odd, etc.

I guess the take-away here is that this pursuit takes time, perseverance and patience, as I have said before. Plus an ability to handle failure, but the rewards are worth it.

Good luck, and keep us in the loop.

Scott

It's an interesting concept negotiating sugar for M&G, although like others have said, it doesn't appear to be the norm here.

My MO is pretty much the same as our friend Scotty's. After reading his stats, I decided to try to remember how well / badly I had done and the results are strikingly similiar to his. I have had face to face meetings with a total of 19 women and have ended up in the FC with 12 of them. While I don't know how many I've contacted on the SB sites, it seems I get about a one third response rate from the SBs I contact.

My belief is to try to get to know them through emails or pms first so they get the impression you're not a pervert, then set up a public meeting....well unless it's obvious from the initial communications how things will turn out. Out of the 12 successes I've had, I only met one of them at a hotel initially, while with 10 of the 12 we ended up there on the first day of meeting. Others have had great success with meeting in the FC from the beginning and I can't argue with those successes. Personally, I just feel more comfortable having coffee or a drink first, but I have never given sugar for just a meeting. As many have said, there is more than one way to skin this cat of a pastime we all enjoy here.