Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=Jsmw1980;1813333]Not just trying to take up for anybody but I saw Sinful Dream while she was in Louisville. We spent over an hour together having fun. Never once did she mention another name of anybody good or bad. I've met her a couple of times and talked to her several times and its always been all about me. She's never run down a provider or client to me.[/QUOTE]I'm so glad to hear you had a good experience but give it time or mention your going to see one of the spinners and watch what happens that's why I keep providing at providing and always spread good things about other girls because I wouldn't want something said about me it would hurt my feelings what you put in this world youll get back.

[QUOTE=MollyDaniels; 1813308]I had to bump this. It needs to be on page 1 so no one misses it!

Kisses.

Molly[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rzk2BXxjB0[/url]

She has now resorted to calling / texting my BFF, asking for my full first and last name. She says she will be having 'her attorney' send me a cease and desist letter. If only she had an ounce of legal knowledge. LMFAO!

So, I am posting what an anonymous hobbyist sent to me, once again reinforcing my rather winded character description of her crazy, unprofessional behavior. I'm thinking it's just about time to demote her to a 'street-scort' or even 'street-walker', since she seems to care not one bit about other hobbyists, or anyone's safety, for that matter.

[b]I saw SD early on. Before the warnings went up. NOT a good experience.

She was talking about doing porno films and I just mentioned that they tend to do them BBFS. She smiled and said "sooo what's your point."

She bitched about and used the real first names of more than one PROVIDER and CLIENT

She claims that she keeps a detailed log of all her appointments. I "burned" my burn-phone and got another one.

We got into some arguments and she "threatened" to never speak to me again. Then dammit. She started to PM me looking for a date when she was in town burning up my inbox.

While she was advertising at $300 on the forums, she was PMing me and begging for a $100 date. She could not understand why I turned her down. Hell even for $50 I would tell her no. [/b]

Hope you are enjoying this 'tale of enlightenment' in our octagon. Every thing I have said is true, and sinful nightmare knows she cannot deny any of it. Which is why she hasn't posted LMFAO.

[QUOTE=MollyDaniels;1814057]Which is why she hasn't posted LMFAO.[/QUOTE]Have you considered the possibility that she doesn't care? Just curious.

[QUOTE=Ragnos2013;1814064]Now I met Karma a month back in fairfield / springdale area. It suprises me she would be in on the scam stuff. I want there for a short session and got to play a game of two hole golf and was very satisfied. A bit expensive I will admit, but she does have the spinner body. , nobody came busting in. Nobody lurking around when I left either.[/QUOTE]I know my guys have told me to button up on this issue just in case she goes wrong, it just pulls on my heart strings like you can't imagine. Unless you've been there, unless you have made that mistake of "extending you're hand to the wrong person", or unless you suggested a person and they did something dirty to a client and loyal friend, you'd never know that feeling.

It makes it seem like we are either in on it or we even set the whole scam up, you sit back and get this heavy feeling inside, you want to do anything possible to prove you had know idea and are just as much scammed as the client, when their are reviews on top of that whom mentioned it, reminding you guys there are some clients who read these reviews and believe them whole hearted like they are the bible, so being labeled as "with her, in on it, knew about it, set it up, brought her in, suggested her to a client,"

Those little things can slam you're business and even make you're regulars take a step back and here they have known you for years, the thought of being robbed or scammed is an already huge issue with every visit because people fall on hard times will act in ways they usually wouldn't.

Because of a person going over the edge and panicking when broke, then doing something you and I would find a ridiculous as a way to get things right again, for that reason alone I now REFUSE to "VOUCH" for anyone in the business.

That's why when I did mention knowing this girl "Karma", I only said I'd be very surprised if it came to be as her involved in this crap.

It's TOTALLY OUT OF CHARACTER for her to act like that! I won't say she'd never do anything like that " because people change" but I will say I'd be more comfortable with suggesting her than OTHERS I know personally.

Clients who know me know I am totally against this scamming robbing stuff, I will tell a client flat out if I find out someone is a risky visit or dangerous person to schedule with, whether they like it OR NOT.

Karma is super sweet, really open minded and fun, down to earth, easy to talk to and get along with and non-judgmental.

Things hard to find in most people these days, also she is about ready to pull out.

She has voiced some feelings about the industry about not knowing how cut throat it is, how some clients have no manners and send pictures without even saying hello first, ask pretty scary questions, even texts that she gets where she won't respond or answer because it's a stranger and anyone with common sense won't tell a stranger flat out if you'd do something that could get you're freedom taken, when she don't answer she is being called nasty names or threats made of sexual attacks.

Now all providers have had these texts, we all had these calls, you'd be very surprised what a NOOBY among girls will have to make it past, they eventually grow tired of you ignoring them and move on to a provider they can get a rise out of and it slows than stops, I told her that she has to get a THICK SKIN real fast, to never do nothing she is uncomfortable with, never see anyone you have a bad feeling about and I said most important is YOU'RE FEELINGS and COMFORT are just as IMPORTANT as you're client's are because YOU ARE HUMAN with feelings too!

I wished her the best of luck, told her she will eventually meet some very great people, networking is my favorite part of this industry and there are clients I have now that I know for a fact I will talk to and spend time with years and years from now, clients I wouldn't give up for no one in the world, NO ONE!

The Karma I know is a good girl on the edge and hanging on by a thread because of this issue as well as the clients that come out the dark at 4 am And wake you up with a text or creepy voicemail that have U-turning on every light in the house, but if you hang in there and build a reputation of being a genuine person in this for the right reasons, you will be able to surround yourself with good quality clients you can depend on because you have proven to them they can depend on YOU, no one is perfect and we all have our days, but good clients and good providers I believe will always shine through.

I just wanted to say that last thing and I am now leaving this issue alone, I know you're reading this Karma,"she reads everyday guys," you keep doing what you are comfortable doing, do it for YOU and NO ONE ELSE, you know what I mean by that!

You are the one who is doing it and people will come and go in life, we are the ones who have to hold the memories of our actions and you do what you're comfortable doing, don't beat you're self up about the stuff said just loosen up and enjoy the life babe.

There is sooo much out here and the right clients for you will make their way to you, stick around girl, life gets so fun, I promise!

[QUOTE=Admin2;1813462]Hot little spinner, digs chicks, AND can cook! Get yer passport in order girl! Sorry Molly, she can COOK![/QUOTE]A2,

I went to Silks yesterday and, yes she can cook. Pasta and sauce, I wanted seconds, but work called.

Thanks sweetie, we'll have to do it again, soon.

Sasha.

PS. If you come to town A2, we'll have Silk cook for the three of us and then we can bring it in the bedroom to enjoy off each other.)

I wanted to say thank you to each and every one of the 6 lovely people who attended our 'Provider Picnic' for July yesterday. I am happy that so many of us were able to attend, since it was organized impromptu / last minute. Great times, great people, great weather. What more could you ask for?

Sasha, you are simply a delight, and much more beautiful in person than your pictures portray, both physically and personality-wise. We seem to have quite a bit in common, and we will talk more about expanding that into a 'business-relationship' soon.

We have been discussing the option having a 'dessert smorgasbord' for a select clientele after our next 'provider picnic', so, all you lucky gents, stay tuned!

And yes, A2, I think it would be a great idea for you to have Silky for 'dinner' and Sasha for 'dessert'. I will even volunteer my services as 'hostess' for this Black-Tie Affair.

Kisses,

Molly

[QUOTE=SashaBlack; 1814306]A2,

I went to Silks yesterday and, yes she can cook. Pasta and sauce, I wanted seconds, but work called.

Thanks sweetie, we'll have to do it again, soon.

Sasha.

PS. If you come to town A2, we'll have Silk cook for the three of us and then we can bring it in the bedroom to enjoy off each other.) [/QUOTE]Thank you for the compliment I enjoyed cooking for you I could tell you liked it the best again I'm so sorry work called and hope to make it up to you guys thank you for being understanding.

[QUOTE=Admin2; 1813051][blue]A while back there was a big bruhaha when PD said something about somebody not posting something because it was gross. I just took down some pics a guy wanted to put up about unprotected menstrual sex. Good call / bad call. Personally I could care less, but I'm curious what you guys think.

We don't have to choke the tread with the censorship / no censorship debate, I'm obviously against it or I wouldn't be asking this question, but I thought in this case it was better to not put them up? What do you guys think?

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]Just decide, to censor, or NOT to censor. Black or white. Because if you decide to censor "some", then you'll have you hands fun deciding where the line is. Shades of gray and there will be no concensus as to what is "too much". You made the call and the rest can either agree or suck it.

[QUOTE=Admin2; 1813051][blue]A while back there was a big bruhaha when PD said something about somebody not posting something because it was gross. I just took down some pics a guy wanted to put up about unprotected menstrual sex. Good call / bad call. Personally I could care less, but I'm curious what you guys think.

We don't have to choke the tread with the censorship / no censorship debate, I'm obviously against it or I wouldn't be asking this question, but I thought in this case it was better to not put them up? What do you guys think?

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]In that particular case, I would say its better not to. Yeah its a fine line between "censorship" and "Jesus Harold Christ, who wouldn't find that offensive", but there should probably be a line somewhere, unless there's a way to mask the photos so that you have to click on them to show them (actually, I imagine that there is a way to do that on vBulletin, but its probably more work than you'd like).

[QUOTE=D Nut;1814625]Just decide, to censor, or NOT to censor. Black or white. Because if you decide to censor "some", then you'll have you hands fun deciding where the line is. Shades of gray and there will be no concensus as to what is "too much". You made the call and the rest can either agree or suck it.[/QUOTE]About a month ago I posted my surprise at how some guys were having unprotected sex. I asked whether people were aware that certain things could lead to infection. For this I received an infraction notice. The response by Admin 2 was that I was not allowed to tell people to practice safe sex and this was why I received an infraction. I gave my own opinion. I did not tell anyone what to do. The reason for the post was to raise awareness for those who may not know the possible ramifications.

The biggest irony, of course, is that this site evolves around free speech and actions. It is the essence of what makes this community survive. Yet it seems no matter where you go Big Brother will always raise his head in one form or another.

Can opinions be expressed without concern of reprisal or not? Even on a site like USASG? It would seem they cannot.

[QUOTE=Gitanacv; 1814675]About a month ago I posted my surprise at how some guys were having unprotected sex. I asked whether people were aware that certain things could lead to infection. For this I received an infraction notice. The response by Admin 2 was that I was not allowed to tell people to practice safe sex and this was why I received an infraction. I gave my own opinion. I did not tell anyone what to do. The reason for the post was to raise awareness for those who may not know the possible ramifications.

Can opinions be expressed without concern of reprisal or not? Even on a site like USASG? It would seem they cannot.[/QUOTE][blue]Git there are some things that time has shown us just can't be brought up without setting up a firestorm that takes a long time to end and interfere with the what we do here. The two big ones are wrapped, or unwrapped and why won't providers see AA guys. You can certainly talk about having had wrapped sex with a provider but you can't tell another guy he should or shouldn't. Nothing you write on a sex forum with change their minds, and if you say they should they will respond and blah blah blah. If a guy talks about how GREAT uncovered sex is, we have an unsafe sex bragging infraction that I throw. [/blue]

[QUOTE=Vilnius;1814666]In that particular case, I would say its better not to. Yeah its a fine line between "censorship" and "Jesus Harold Christ, who wouldn't find that offensive", but there should probably be a line somewhere, unless there's a way to mask the photos so that you have to click on them to show them (actually, I imagine that there is a way to do that on vBulletin, but its probably more work than you'd like).[/QUOTE][QUOTE=D Nut;1814625]Just decide, to censor, or NOT to censor. Black or white. Because if you decide to censor "some", then you'll have you hands fun deciding where the line is. Shades of gray and there will be no concensus as to what is "too much". You made the call and the rest can either agree or suck it.[/QUOTE][blue]I felt stupid after I did it that's why I asked you guys. I think in the future I wouldn't unless it violated some specific rule. I saw the photo, and clicked the trash link without really thinking about until it was too late. I talked to the guy that posted it and he let me off the hook. [/blue]

[QUOTE=MollyDaniels; 1814532]A2, I think it would be a great idea for you to have Silky for 'dinner' and Sasha for 'dessert'. I will even volunteer my services as 'hostess' for this Black-Tie Affair.

Kisses,

Molly[/QUOTE]Man I would love to but the three of you at once would like to kill my old ass.

Hey Admin2. I been there. Done that. With sausage! Right Silk baby!

[QUOTE=SashaBlack; 1814306]A2,

I went to Silks yesterday and, yes she can cook. Pasta and sauce, I wanted seconds, but work called.

Thanks sweetie, we'll have to do it again, soon.

Sasha.

PS. If you come to town A2, we'll have Silk cook for the three of us and then we can bring it in the bedroom to enjoy off each other.) [/QUOTE]

Crissy,

You're a good person.

[QUOTE=CurvyCrissy; 1814290]I know my guys have told me to button up on this issue just in case she goes wrong, it just pulls on my heart strings like you can't imagine. Unless you've been there, unless you have made that mistake of "extending you're hand to the wrong person", or unless you suggested a person and they did something dirty to a client and loyal friend, you'd never know that feeling.

It makes it seem like we are either in on it or we even set the whole scam up, you sit back and get this heavy feeling inside, you want to do anything possible to prove you had know idea and are just as much scammed as the client, when their are reviews on top of that whom mentioned it, reminding you guys there are some clients who read these reviews and believe them whole hearted like they are the bible, so being labeled as "with her, in on it, knew about it, set it up, brought her in, suggested her to a client,"

Those little things can slam you're business and even make you're regulars take a step back and here they have known you for years, the thought of being robbed or scammed is an already huge issue with every visit because people fall on hard times will act in ways they usually wouldn't.

Because of a person going over the edge and panicking when broke, then doing something you and I would find a ridiculous as a way to get things right again, for that reason alone I now REFUSE to "VOUCH" for anyone in the business.

That's why when I did mention knowing this girl "Karma", I only said I'd be very surprised if it came to be as her involved in this crap.

It's TOTALLY OUT OF CHARACTER for her to act like that! I won't say she'd never do anything like that " because people change" but I will say I'd be more comfortable with suggesting her than OTHERS I know personally.

Clients who know me know I am totally against this scamming robbing stuff, I will tell a client flat out if I find out someone is a risky visit or dangerous person to schedule with, whether they like it OR NOT.

Karma is super sweet, really open minded and fun, down to earth, easy to talk to and get along with and non-judgmental.

Things hard to find in most people these days, also she is about ready to pull out.

She has voiced some feelings about the industry about not knowing how cut throat it is, how some clients have no manners and send pictures without even saying hello first, ask pretty scary questions, even texts that she gets where she won't respond or answer because it's a stranger and anyone with common sense won't tell a stranger flat out if you'd do something that could get you're freedom taken, when she don't answer she is being called nasty names or threats made of sexual attacks.

Now all providers have had these texts, we all had these calls, you'd be very surprised what a NOOBY among girls will have to make it past, they eventually grow tired of you ignoring them and move on to a provider they can get a rise out of and it slows than stops, I told her that she has to get a THICK SKIN real fast, to never do nothing she is uncomfortable with, never see anyone you have a bad feeling about and I said most important is YOU'RE FEELINGS and COMFORT are just as IMPORTANT as you're client's are because YOU ARE HUMAN with feelings too!

I wished her the best of luck, told her she will eventually meet some very great people, networking is my favorite part of this industry and there are clients I have now that I know for a fact I will talk to and spend time with years and years from now, clients I wouldn't give up for no one in the world, NO ONE!

The Karma I know is a good girl on the edge and hanging on by a thread because of this issue as well as the clients that come out the dark at 4 am And wake you up with a text or creepy voicemail that have U-turning on every light in the house, but if you hang in there and build a reputation of being a genuine person in this for the right reasons, you will be able to surround yourself with good quality clients you can depend on because you have proven to them they can depend on YOU, no one is perfect and we all have our days, but good clients and good providers I believe will always shine through.

I just wanted to say that last thing and I am now leaving this issue alone, I know you're reading this Karma,"she reads everyday guys," you keep doing what you are comfortable doing, do it for YOU and NO ONE ELSE, you know what I mean by that!

You are the one who is doing it and people will come and go in life, we are the ones who have to hold the memories of our actions and you do what you're comfortable doing, don't beat you're self up about the stuff said just loosen up and enjoy the life babe.

There is sooo much out here and the right clients for you will make their way to you, stick around girl, life gets so fun, I promise![/QUOTE]

So how does one ESCORT get a cease and desist order against another escort to stop posting crap about her on a forum. What are the damages? Does Sinful's lawyer tell the judge "Hey. Her comments are hurting my clients escorting business?

[QUOTE=MollyDaniels; 1814057]She has now resorted to calling / texting my BFF, asking for my full first and last name. She says she will be having 'her attorney' send me a cease and desist letter. If only she had an ounce of legal knowledge. LMFAO!

So, I am posting what an anonymous hobbyist sent to me, once again reinforcing my rather winded character description of her crazy, unprofessional behavior. I'm thinking it's just about time to demote her to a 'street-scort' or even 'street-walker', since she seems to care not one bit about other hobbyists, or anyone's safety, for that matter.

[b]I saw SD early on. Before the warnings went up. NOT a good experience.

She was talking about doing porno films and I just mentioned that they tend to do them BBFS. She smiled and said "sooo what's your point."

She bitched about and used the real first names of more than one PROVIDER and CLIENT

She claims that she keeps a detailed log of all her appointments. I "burned" my burn-phone and got another one.

We got into some arguments and she "threatened" to never speak to me again. Then dammit. She started to PM me looking for a date when she was in town burning up my inbox.

While she was advertising at $300 on the forums, she was PMing me and begging for a $100 date. She could not understand why I turned her down. Hell even for $50 I would tell her no. [/b]

Hope you are enjoying this 'tale of enlightenment' in our octagon. Every thing I have said is true, and sinful nightmare knows she cannot deny any of it. Which is why she hasn't posted LMFAO.[/QUOTE]