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[QUOTE=Jordang]I don't believe in tipping more than 20 either.

The way I look at it I am already paying ~80 for the hour.

That X 40 hrs a week X 52 weeks a year = $166,400 a year.

Add the 20 dollar tip and it is over 200K a year.

That is a fact. Anything after that is a tradeoff. Meaning:

"But she doesn't work 40 hours/have 40 appointments a year!"

That's true, but to a certain degree a choice. Not only in choosing a career that doesn't involve 40 hours of work, like mine and yours.

"But the girl doesn't get to keep all of that money!"

You are correct, but they definitely get more than just the tip. I don't know the numbers, I've never worked there or asked, but I'd imagine if they didn't get a decent cut they'd just go into business for themselves doing outcalls until they had a studio.

Besides, if they only worked off tips ALONE, at 20 a pop using the same formula from on top, they'd make just over $41,000 a year minus whatever hours from the 40-hour work week they chose to not work.[/QUOTE]

Just thinking of the tip portion. WOW. That has made me rethink things on tipping. I might change jobs. LOL.

The $80.00 goes directly to the owner of the AMP. The working girls get none of it. The only thing the girls work for are the tips.

Also, your math is quite faulty in calculating a 40 hour week. Hang around the AMPs as an insider for awhile and you will soon learn that the girls may have one or two customers in a day. Some days are better than others so they may more customers but there are often more slow times than fast times. It's even worse now than it's ever been because of what appears to be a nationwide crackdown.

You also forgot to factor in that if there is more than one working girl, and most AMPs have more than one, then only one girl is working at a time. And the girls are fair with each other. They rotate unless specifically asked for by a customer. However, there are some owners who will not let customers specifically ask for a provider. So, if there are 3 girls and one customer, one girl is earning whatever the customer pays her while the others sit in the kitchen or working girls' room and earn nothing. They just watch Korean videos.

In saying they get more than just the tip, you are completely wrong. Not only do they not get more than the tip, they get less than the tip at the end of the week. They get absolutely nothing from the house fee. That goes 100% to the owner, who then pays bills from that money and keeps as much for herself as she can. On top of that, every week the girls must fork over a set amount of money to the owner for food and so-called board. My current relationship with an owner revealed that she charges every girl $350 for food and board each week. It's outrageous, but it's the custom of the business. Additionally if they have a manager/kitchen mama/custodian, the girls must also fork out a set amount of money each week for that person. In the same AMP I just mentioned, the girls must pay $100 each week for the kitchen mama, who cleans the place and does laundry as well as cook. So, each girl in this place must give to the owner a total of $450 each week.

Assuming a working girl is paid $20 by each customer, and she has 10 customers a day, which is a stretch, she is making $200 a day or $1,400 a week. Assuming that some AMPs charge less than the one I'm familiar with right now, and I know many are, let's assume they are only charged $200 for food and board and only contribute $50 to the kitchen mama. Now she's down to $1,150.

Now she's only making $59,800 a year. That's still a good figure, but that's also assuming that this woman is taking care of 10 customers every single day, 7 days a week. That just is not the case. And therein lies the fatal flaw of your calculations. You are basing it on a 40 hour week rather than on a per person seen basis.

Now, having said that, you are still way off because very few make such little money. Why? Because many of us who have been doing this for some time understand the system. We aren't there for a $20 street crack ***** experience. The great majority of us are seeking either a GFE experience for one hour or at least FS for one hour whether we feel like its GFE or not.

We are able to go to a reputed rub and tug and enjoy FS. Somtimes it takes more than one visit but it can be done. In the past 3 years I have enjoyed FS in every AMP I've been in from Florida to Pennsylvania.

Why? I follow several rules

1. I always show respect, even if denied FS the first time
2. I never treat the woman like she is beneath me even if she is asking for more money
3. I never take more than I'm willing to spend inside with me
4 If I decline to pay for what I'm hoping for, I pay what I know to be the generally expected (by them) price for what they are willing to do.
5. I do not get angry or talk down to the girl if I decline to pay the amount she is asking, I just tell them I will accept the lesser service of what is on the menu
6. I accept that the generally expected amounts for services are HJ .2 to .4, BJ .4 to .6, and FS $ to $.2. You may find it a little cheaper from time to time when you hit a new girl but she wises up quick.

None of us has to pay these amounts, but you will pretty much get what you pay for and not get what you don't pay for. These girls travel between AMPs and many know each other from around the country. They share information about the business and they therefore know what is expected for each level of service.

So, if you have been trying to get FS for .2 it's a pretty sure bet you aren't getting it unless you have been able to generate a relationship of sorts with that person. But you will still be spending .6 or.8 to get in the door. And not one penny of that will go to the girl you spend your hour with.

Many of the girls do in fact earn above $100,000 a year, but sure as hell not based on your calculations. It's based on the level of service they provide and the tip they get for that service from customers. That's why some can sit in a place of business day after day, 7 days a week for 12 or more hours every day and maybe only see one customer today. Tomorrow they may see 5 customers. The busy days balance out the slow days. But if they were all waiting for $20 tips, the owners would have to close all of them up becuase none of the girls would work in them.



[QUOTE=Jordang]I don't believe in tipping more than 20 either.

The way I look at it I am already paying ~80 for the hour.

That X 40 hrs a week X 52 weeks a year = $166,400 a year.

Add the 20 dollar tip and it is over 200K a year.

That is a fact. Anything after that is a tradeoff. Meaning:

"But she doesn't work 40 hours/have 40 appointments a year!"

That's true, but to a certain degree a choice. Not only in choosing a career that doesn't involve 40 hours of work, like mine and yours.

"But the girl doesn't get to keep all of that money!"

You are correct, but they definitely get more than just the tip. I don't know the numbers, I've never worked there or asked, but I'd imagine if they didn't get a decent cut they'd just go into business for themselves doing outcalls until they had a studio.

Besides, if they only worked off tips ALONE, at 20 a pop using the same formula from on top, they'd make just over $41,000 a year minus whatever hours from the 40-hour work week they chose to not work.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Irish Male2]The $80.00 goes directly to the owner of the AMP. The working girls get none of it. The only thing the girls work for are the tips.

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But if they were all waiting for $20 tips, the owners would have to close all of them up becuase none of the girls would work in them.[/QUOTE]

First, I'm not sure that I really buy your statement that ALL of it goes directly to the owner of the AMP. Lots of claims on the Internet, and this is one that rings my BS meter quite loudly.

Second, I really don't care what percentage of the house fee goes to the girl. I don't feel compelled to overcompensate for someone else's business practice. Perhaps you're a pushover as a consumer. Great. Go give all your money away to help the needy. I definitely dig charitable contributions.

Personally, I visit as a customer for a service, not the Red Cross. My 25% tip for a massage and HE is appropriate and quite generous.

All this over an extra $20?

Can't we just move on.

This is my opinion on tipping, many may or may not agree with my thinking but it makes no difference to me either way. I have been doing this for over 15 years and no one has to tell me how to spend or what to do with my money and I don’t expect to tell anyone how or what to do with theirs. That being said here is my take:

WOW!! It’s amazing and somewhat appalling to see how many cheap guys are out there complaining about tips. First thing you have to remember is that tipping is optional and not an obligation but when given it is usually in the 15% to 20% range. Tipping is also part of our every day life, we give tips in restaurants, the doorman, cab drivers, bellboys, bartenders, barber shops and so many others who provide us with services.

We tip because we are appreciative of a service we have received. No one has to dictate to me what I should or shouldn’t leave for a tip when I visit a spa. What I decide to leave as a tip is nobody’s business because what I am going to leave is based on the quality of the massage (HE or no HE) I received. When I go to a SPA I am very demanding of what I want, I usually pay for 90 min, 70 min for massage and 20 min for any extras, I like my massages strong and therapeutic so the therapist has to work her ass off on me to make me feel great. I go to a SPA when I am feeling lousy (that’s about once every two weeks) and when I come out I feel rejuvenated and am walking on cloud nine and if I decide to tip my therapist $40, $50, $80 or what ever amount I want it is no one’s business,

I will tip based on how appreciative I am of the service my therapist provided regardless of weather she gave me a HE or not. I have traveled the world and visit spas on a regular base and have received great massages and have left very generous tips because I felt the therapist was worthy of it and in others I have gotten lousy massages and walk out without leaving anything because I felt they did not deserve a tip. I think the problem for many is that if they don’t get a HE or a tug then they feel the therapist does not deserves a tip, we are associating the tips we give only to the extras we may or may not receive.

Extras are what the word implies and if received price should be negotiated in advance and has nothing to do with the tip for the service received. Now if you are so lucky that extras are provided without first being pre-negotiated like it has happened to me on numerous occasions my advice to you is to be generous and fair in your tipping if you want that generosity to continue.

Be Safe!!

Don't agree with AMP info, not all AMPS work in tha fashion, not all of them take all the money. I have many friends who own spas and the girls do get a commission from the door fee but the bulk of their income are from the tips they receive.

However I agree 100% with the rules stated. I have personally followed the same rules for many years now and they have yielded and are still yielding many happy returns on all my spa visits around the world regardless of weather its a first or repeat visit.

Respect and generosity will take you a long way

Great info!!

[QUOTE=Irish Male2]The $80.00 goes directly to the owner of the AMP. The working girls get none of it. The only thing the girls work for are the tips.

Also, your math is quite faulty in calculating a 40 hour week. Hang around the AMPs as an insider for awhile and you will soon learn that the girls may have one or two customers in a day. Some days are better than others so they may more customers but there are often more slow times than fast times. It's even worse now than it's ever been because of what appears to be a nationwide crackdown.

You also forgot to factor in that if there is more than one working girl, and most AMPs have more than one, then only one girl is working at a time. And the girls are fair with each other. They rotate unless specifically asked for by a customer. However, there are some owners who will not let customers specifically ask for a provider. So, if there are 3 girls and one customer, one girl is earning whatever the customer pays her while the others sit in the kitchen or working girls' room and earn nothing. They just watch Korean videos.

In saying they get more than just the tip, you are completely wrong. Not only do they not get more than the tip, they get less than the tip at the end of the week. They get absolutely nothing from the house fee. That goes 100% to the owner, who then pays bills from that money and keeps as much for herself as she can. On top of that, every week the girls must fork over a set amount of money to the owner for food and so-called board. My current relationship with an owner revealed that she charges every girl $350 for food and board each week. It's outrageous, but it's the custom of the business. Additionally if they have a manager/kitchen mama/custodian, the girls must also fork out a set amount of money each week for that person. In the same AMP I just mentioned, the girls must pay $100 each week for the kitchen mama, who cleans the place and does laundry as well as cook. So, each girl in this place must give to the owner a total of $450 each week.

Assuming a working girl is paid $20 by each customer, and she has 10 customers a day, which is a stretch, she is making $200 a day or $1,400 a week. Assuming that some AMPs charge less than the one I'm familiar with right now, and I know many are, let's assume they are only charged $200 for food and board and only contribute $50 to the kitchen mama. Now she's down to $1,150.

Now she's only making $59,800 a year. That's still a good figure, but that's also assuming that this woman is taking care of 10 customers every single day, 7 days a week. That just is not the case. And therein lies the fatal flaw of your calculations. You are basing it on a 40 hour week rather than on a per person seen basis.

Now, having said that, you are still way off because very few make such little money. Why? Because many of us who have been doing this for some time understand the system. We aren't there for a $20 street crack ***** experience. The great majority of us are seeking either a GFE experience for one hour or at least FS for one hour whether we feel like its GFE or not.

We are able to go to a reputed rub and tug and enjoy FS. Somtimes it takes more than one visit but it can be done. In the past 3 years I have enjoyed FS in every AMP I've been in from Florida to Pennsylvania.

Why? I follow several rules

1. I always show respect, even if denied FS the first time
2. I never treat the woman like she is beneath me even if she is asking for more money
3. I never take more than I'm willing to spend inside with me
4 If I decline to pay for what I'm hoping for, I pay what I know to be the generally expected (by them) price for what they are willing to do.
5. I do not get angry or talk down to the girl if I decline to pay the amount she is asking, I just tell them I will accept the lesser service of what is on the menu
6. I accept that the generally expected amounts for services are HJ .2 to .4, BJ .4 to .6, and FS $ to $.2. You may find it a little cheaper from time to time when you hit a new girl but she wises up quick.

None of us has to pay these amounts, but you will pretty much get what you pay for and not get what you don't pay for. These girls travel between AMPs and many know each other from around the country. They share information about the business and they therefore know what is expected for each level of service.

So, if you have been trying to get FS for .2 it's a pretty sure bet you aren't getting it unless you have been able to generate a relationship of sorts with that person. But you will still be spending .6 or.8 to get in the door. And not one penny of that will go to the girl you spend your hour with.

Many of the girls do in fact earn above $100,000 a year, but sure as hell not based on your calculations. It's based on the level of service they provide and the tip they get for that service from customers. That's why some can sit in a place of business day after day, 7 days a week for 12 or more hours every day and maybe only see one customer today. Tomorrow they may see 5 customers. The busy days balance out the slow days. But if they were all waiting for $20 tips, the owners would have to close all of them up becuase none of the girls would work in them.[/QUOTE]

Skip this one unless you're looking for a good massage. Don't be fooled by the stunning k. Girl who leads you to the room and then is replaced by mamasan. I was trying to get to NT but I guess a lot of you mongers were there. I drove by this one and decided to check it out. There was a positive report here but it was a year old. Oh Well!

Let's be careful out there!

Ok, I think we've pretty well covered the tipping thing (in this thread and others). Can we get back to reports?

I went to Lotus the other day. They guy that handles the front desk is a change for me. Kinda weird, to me. Got a massage from an 50-ish white lady who was very nice, but who was very cautious w/me. She never went for the HE. Not sure who she was. I've heard of a Deva and another girl that get pretty decent reviews there. Can anyone refresh my memory and provide any advice for the next trip?

After striking out earlier, I went back to the sure thing. Ginza provided their usual service today. The cars double parked out front threw me off a bit but I later found out there was a recording session going on next door.

Let's be careful out there!

[QUOTE=Coonrod]Ok, I think we've pretty well covered the tipping thing (in this thread and others). Can we get back to reports?

I went to Lotus the other day. They guy that handles the front desk is a change for me. Kinda weird, to me. Got a massage from an 50-ish white lady who was very nice, but who was very cautious w/me. She never went for the HE. Not sure who she was. I've heard of a Deva and another girl that get pretty decent reviews there. Can anyone refresh my memory and provide any advice for the next trip?[/QUOTE]I got weirded out when a guy answered the phone at NT. Haven't been there yet, is this normal for NT?

$10 for lousy.

$20 for so-so.

$30-$40 for above and beyond and leaving in a feel good spirit.

[QUOTE=Bone Yard]I got weirded out when a guy answered the phone at NT. Haven't been there yet, is this normal for NT?[/QUOTE]

They do have a male acupuncturist come in when someone schedules an appointment.

[QUOTE=Coonrod]Ok, I think we've pretty well covered the tipping thing (in this thread and others). Can we get back to reports?

I went to Lotus the other day. They guy that handles the front desk is a change for me. Kinda weird, to me. Got a massage from an 50-ish white lady who was very nice, but who was very cautious w/me. She never went for the HE. Not sure who she was. I've heard of a Deva and another girl that get pretty decent reviews there. Can anyone refresh my memory and provide any advice for the next trip?[/QUOTE]Go with Deva for a sure thing: YMMV.

Elizabeth is younger, but not as experienced.

Others, not sure.

Well New for me. There is this place on Harold St. In WP been there a long time but it was closed for some time. I happened to see it was open again and thought I would check it out. They offer 1 hour $75 and. 5 Special for $40 but it's $10 extra for the table shower, Not sure if that applies to the full hour. I took the half with TS The place is VERY nice inside CLEAN new tile. The Lady that comes in is about 45-50 with a little holster with her bottle of oil. GREAT ligit message and a nice TS NO extras offered or asked for.