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Wow, all this discussion is really good but also shines some reality. You guys ever find it hard to stop doing these type of activities? I said I was only going to do it once. That certainly failed and I'm looking for my meeting. The little head sure knows how to persuade me.
[QUOTE=JaxDog;2725665]Hey Stewie, what was the girls name? JD.[/QUOTE]I could not even tell you. I have no idea. When I got home from jail I went to look and her ad was down, her facebook was down, everything was gone. It was my first meeting with her, and my last. LOL.
I have never been to mayport since. =P.
Am I missing something here? Has the JSO been running on going sting operations other than the occasional run of the mill street walking busts and the "nothing better to do" occupation of calling providers hoping to entrap them into saying and or doing something stupid? If they are it's the first I've heard of it. Looking at recent news reports there was a sting operation conducted with multiple law enforcement agencies across the country which also included JSO in conjunction with the FBI, this happened in October of this year, fifteen people were arrested in Jacksonville, Clay and Nassau county area. How these stings were conducted and who was targeted isn't explained. Sounded to me like a lot of wasted money and effort with not much to show for it. Last year Clay county targeted a few message parlors and other than the occasional police street walking sting and the JSO vice squad targeting prostitutes I can find no other activity on the part of local law enforcement to target men soliciting sex from providers. Now this isn't to say they may not start doing these very things tomorrow! My point is I think there's a major preoccupation on this site with police activity that's completely unwarranted. Of course we all want to be safe from any criminal prosecution that may arise from our participation in an activity that many of us think of as a victim less crime. Personally I would never fuck a provider that I thought was underage or was being forced to do something she didn't want to do. Now women providing me with sexual gratification to support themselves and or their drug habit is totally fair play in my book, it's a choice she's made for herself. I find much of this talk of police targeting and intervention to be a waste of time and energy but hey it's your time and energy that your wasting so have at it. I personally won't be taking part in any more of these discussions until that time I hear there's actual reason to be concerned. It's my hope that local law enforcement agencies continue to find a better use for their budgets and resources. JD.
[QUOTE=ThePreacher;2725838]Yesh the prostitution charge, though potentially life ruining, is not my biggest fear. It's what would happen if the provider just happens to have a significant stash of drugs in the room. Which I've personally seen before. To get caught up in a drug bust would be horrible.[/QUOTE]
We can't just look at the prostitution charge in and of itself. As you so eloquently mentioned, what about them there drugs! Some guys on here are in professions that if they ever caught a drug charge, especially if their profession requires licensure, you are toast! LEO knows they aren't just going to reel in solicitors. They know that if they can find people willing to engage in one illegal activity, it is likely that those persons are breaking other laws as well. Again, all I'm saying is, be open-minded. Never say what can't happen because as long as LEO can work within the confines of the law, they would do it if it means bringing in more criminals. Personally, I don't have an issue with what LEO does (in this respect) - there are many people (human trafficking) who are forced into prostitution and I am glad someone is out there trying to prevent such things as this. Any who folks, even if LEO only targets Johns who do outcall less than 5% of the time, the million dollar question is, do you want to be a part of that five percent?!
[QUOTE=RedSoxFan28;2725858]Wow, all this discussion is really good but also shines some reality. You guys ever find it hard to stop doing these type of activities? I said I was only going to do it once. That certainly failed and I'm looking for my meeting. The little head sure knows how to persuade me.[/QUOTE]
...until you find a way to get out of this thing, think with that brain in your head as much as possible! A criminal record is one of the risk involved and can be extremely damaging in more ways than I can count but we must consider other risk factors. There are Johns who have been robbed, shot, and killed participating in this so-called hobby. So my advice, try to exit the life as soon as you can unless you're ready to deal with its inherent risk. Foremost of all, educate educate educate yourself on the do's and don'ts! You are going to take risk but make sure it's well calculated risk.
...LEO needs to fight more important crimes in our society like murder, drugs, gangs, etc. However consider this, as far as prostitution goes, many of these crimes are associated with it such as murder and drugs, to name a few. There was a gentleman who came to Jax (he was from Ohio) for whatever purpose recently (a professional guy who owned a biz). It appeared that he may have contacted a provider while at his motel. Who knows what transpired or what lead to his unfortunate death but he's dead now; some pimp appears to have shot him! Possibly for involving himself in something that seems as harmless as prostitution. I looked at his social media page and my heart went out to him (because it certainly could have been one of us) and his family. The sad thing is he had just loss his mother a few months before his death. Also, the fact that he left his home to come to another city and die for foolishness, no doubt. Very sad.
Now, some people on here are very astute when it comes to this activity or so-called hobby and they take all the necessary precautions to ensure their safety. BRAVO to you- whoever you are! However, there are many people in this hobby who knows very little about what they must do to keep themselves safe. Therefore it is wonderful (thanks to Admin and company) that they allow such a forum and opportunity for people to have these discussions in a relatively safe setting. I don't want to wait till I get jammed up and then decide that these conversations are paramount! I want to discuss and get educated about it now so that whatsoever risk I undertake, it will be done with calculation and not carelessness or even ignorance. Yes IGNORANCE!
Look, I have had Shetty jobs and I have had great jobs. What determines whether or not you're going to have a great job largely depends on your record. Hence, my desire is to be well informed so that I can always have great job opportunities (and being informed can keep me safe until I can make a clean break from this life without consequences). Let me tell you this too, not only does criminal records prevent you from getting certain jobs but they can affect you as far as getting into certain colleges. Yes! Colleges are now performing criminal background checks! Especially post baccalaureate degree programs. So consider these discussions tools to help people not fruck up their lives for a piece of snatch! Then again, getting a criminal record for prostitution is only one aspect to consider; as I mentioned above, you can die as well! Sometimes they prevent you from getting into certain apartments.
Again, I am going to say BRAVO to those who know so much about this subject matter but you'd also be surprised how much people don't know and they must be educated on how to stay as many steps ahead of LEO as possible. Just my $0. 02.
Lastly, consider this also, Leo is not always going to show their hand in everything they do. Just because it's not in newspapers and such do not mean it didn't happen. Do you think they tell us everything they are doing?
[QUOTE=YoungRestless;2726376]...LEO needs to fight more important crimes...[/QUOTE]Good advice, info and points to think about.
Now, let me tell y'all something, LEO won't stop you for picking up a SW. Just for that NO, because there's no grounds for an intervention. However, theyll have grounds to stop you if you break transit law. For example, you stop in the middle of the highway or main road where traffic is supposed to flow, you'll get stopped and be prepare to be questioned, her to be questioned, possible car search if he cop gets probable suspicion, etc etc etc. That could be worse than a solicitation charge because if the lady has her medicine on her or if she decides to drop it in your car you'll be in big deep trouble. So if you pick up a SW, drive like a grandma and follow all the transit laws (speed, stops, red lights, etc). A stupid mistake could open the door for LEO to intervene. That's my tip for safe mongering defensive behavior.
[QUOTE=Fender;2726462]Good advice, info and points to think about.
Now, let me tell y'all something, LEO won't stop you for picking up a SW. Just for that NO, because there's no grounds for an intervention. However, theyll have grounds to stop you if you break transit law. For example, you stop in the middle of the highway or main road where traffic is supposed to flow, you'll get stopped and be prepare to be questioned, her to be questioned, possible car search if he cop gets probable suspicion, etc etc etc. That could be worse than a solicitation charge because if the lady has her medicine on her or if she decides to drop it in your car you'll be in big deep trouble. So if you pick up a SW, drive like a grandma and follow all the transit laws (speed, stops, red lights, etc). A stupid mistake could open the door for LEO to intervene. That's my tip for safe mongering defensive behavior.[/QUOTE]I wonder if hitchhiking is still against the law (I think it is) and if they (LEOs) see you pick someone up off the streets, if they can stop you just for that. There was a guy on the SWer thread who said that he was caught with a SWer in his car. Apparently they went to a very secluded spot that looked suspicious to LEO (got to hide in plain sight gents). They both were eventually summoned to get out of the car and a search commenced. The guy on here said that the girl tossed her drugs in the back of his car, I believe, and when LEO found them, she wouldn't own up to them. Long story short, he said that he was out of 10's of thousands of dollars trying to clear his name. It doesn't only have to happen on the streets though. What if LEO comes in the hotel room where you and the hooker are and they find drugs? Very nasty situation and part of the risk.
[QUOTE=YoungRestless;2726523]I wonder if hitchhiking is still against the law (I think it is) and if they (LEOs) see you pick someone up off the streets, if they can stop you just for that. There was a guy on the SWer thread who said that he was caught with a SWer in his car. Apparently they went to a very secluded spot that looked suspicious to LEO (got to hide in plain sight gents). They both were eventually summoned to get out of the car and a search commenced. The guy on here said that the girl tossed her drugs in the back of his car, I believe, and when LEO found them, she wouldn't own up to them. Long story short, he said that he was out of 10's of thousands of dollars trying to clear his name. It doesn't only have to happen on the streets though. What if LEO comes in the hotel room where you and the hooker are and they find drugs? Very nasty situation and part of the risk.[/QUOTE]Is it against the law to hitchhike?
Hitchhiking in the United States is legal. The confusion lies with the United States Uniform Vehicle Code. The law states: "No person shall stand in a roadway for the purpose of soliciting a ride. ".
Don't know how solid this source is.
[QUOTE=YoungRestless;2726376]...LEO needs to fight more important crimes in our society like murder, drugs, gangs, etc. However consider this, as far as prostitution goes, many of these crimes are associated with it such as murder and drugs, to name a few. There was a gentleman who came to Jax (he was from Ohio) for whatever purpose recently (a professional guy who owned a biz). It appeared that he may have contacted a provider while at his motel. Who knows what transpired or what lead to his unfortunate death but he's dead now; some pimp appears to have shot him! Possibly for involving himself in something that seems as harmless as prostitution. I looked at his social media page and my heart went out to him (because it certainly could have been one of us) and his family. The sad thing is he had just loss his mother a few months before his death. Also, the fact that he left his home to come to another city and die for foolishness, no doubt. Very sad.
Now, some people on here are very astute when it comes to this activity or so-called hobby and they take all the necessary precautions to ensure their safety. BRAVO to you- whoever you are! However, there are many people in this hobby who knows very little about what they must do to keep themselves safe. Therefore it is wonderful (thanks to Admin and company) that they allow such a forum and opportunity for people to have these discussions in a relatively safe setting. I don't want to wait till I get jammed up and then decide that these conversations are paramount! I want to discuss and get educated about it now so that whatsoever risk I undertake, it will be done with calculation and not carelessness or even ignorance. Yes IGNORANCE!
Look, I have had Shetty jobs and I have had great jobs. What determines whether or not you're going to have a great job largely depends on your record. Hence, my desire is to be well informed so that I can always have great job opportunities (and being informed can keep me safe until I can make a clean break from this life without consequences). Let me tell you this too, not only does criminal records prevent you from getting certain jobs but they can affect you as far as getting into certain colleges. Yes! Colleges are now performing criminal background checks! Especially post baccalaureate degree programs. So consider these discussions tools to help people not fruck up their lives for a piece of snatch! Then again, getting a criminal record for prostitution is only one aspect to consider; as I mentioned above, you can die as well! Sometimes they prevent you from getting into certain apartments.
Again, I am going to say BRAVO to those who know so much about this subject matter but you'd also be surprised how much people don't know and they must be educated on how to stay as many steps ahead of LEO as possible. Just my $0. 02.
Lastly, consider this also, Leo is not always going to show their hand in everything they do. Just because it's not in newspapers and such do not mean it didn't happen. Do you think they tell us everything they are doing?[/QUOTE]Damn good insight and one of the better reads on here in a while. The govt will never show their hand and we would be extremely nieve to believe they give us the whole scoop. As the saying goes. If someone knocks on your door and the guy says were from the govt and were here to help. SLAM that door SHUT. Never trust the govt. Just saying. Tonto out!!
[QUOTE=Tonto25;2727496]Damn good insight and one of the better reads on here in a while. The govt will never show their hand and we would be extremely nieve to believe they give us the whole scoop. As the saying goes. If someone knocks on your door and the guy says were from the govt and were here to help. SLAM that door SHUT. Never trust the govt. Just saying. Tonto out!![/QUOTE]Not just the gov, don't trust nobody dude.
Talking about ways when LEO can intervene. Take a look at this: [URL]http://www.news4jax.com/news/crime/orlando-man-pleads-guilty-to-having-sex-with-homeless-teen[/URL].
[QUOTE=Fender;2727538]Talking about ways when LEO can intervene. Take a look at this: [URL]http://www.news4jax.com/news/crime/orlando-man-pleads-guilty-to-having-sex-with-homeless-teen[/URL].[/QUOTE]Can be hard to avoid. Just think, she saved their numbers in her phone and knew where the John lived!
[QUOTE=YoungRestless;2726541]Is it against the law to hitchhike?
Hitchhiking in the United States is legal. The confusion lies with the United States Uniform Vehicle Code. The law states: "No person shall stand in a roadway for the purpose of soliciting a ride. ".
Don't know how solid this source is.[/QUOTE]Consider this, they know just about all the Swans. Can they arrest you for giving someone a ride, no but as stated if stopping in the roadway to pick up someone is illegal then they got you, light out, did not use your turn signal, illegal you-turn, and you should get it by now.
Keep Safe brothers and have a Merry Christmas if you believe some fat bastard is going to fit down your chimney with a hottie for you.
[QUOTE=OldSchool;2727626]Consider this, they know just about all the Swans. Can they arrest you for giving someone a ride, no but as stated if stopping in the roadway to pick up someone is illegal then they got you, light out, did not use your turn signal, illegal you-turn, and you should get it by now.
Keep Safe brothers and have a Merry Christmas if you believe some fat bastard is going to fit down your chimney with a hottie for you.[/QUOTE]
They can make up any ole lame excuse to stop you! Years ago, a LEO saw me driving down a dark street off Main st and a known Swer walking down the same street. He stopped me and gave me a ticket for stopping / talking to a Swer. Now as I think about it, it's strange that they would have a law on the books for that but I certainly got that ticket- BASTARD!
Yeah, the problem is, many of these houses don't even have chimneys so how will that fat fruck get into these houses these days! And areas of the country where it doesn't snow, will he use water ski's instead of a sled and will he have to replace Rudolph with a dolphin if he must transport his gifts over water in the southern parts of the country! Kinda complicated!