[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2753404]I am civi dating my X roommate. 34. 5'7" 116 She is very sweet. For now she is my GF.[/QUOTE]Sweet looking slender gal, good choice!
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[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2753404]I am civi dating my X roommate. 34. 5'7" 116 She is very sweet. For now she is my GF.[/QUOTE]Sweet looking slender gal, good choice!
The Tall Man.
[QUOTE=Raslan;2752520]Was talking with a very attractive Hispanic chica who was "very interested" and how I'd "be perfect" for her blah blah. So I made her give me a per meet to which she replied $500 (plus she can't host).
At that point I said we'd better part civilly but she pressed for a number. I hit her with the usual $100 to which she replied that I am on the wrong site, that I should search BP under ESCORT (her capitalization).
I told her she might be right that an escort who asks for $100 might be on BP but an escort who asks for $500 would either be on TER or CV and, which one are you on?!
Man, the way these chicks justify. SMH.[/QUOTE]I was talking with this one slender (sort of trashy looking) WSB. She hit me up so I played along with no intention of seeing her of course. We chat explicitly about coitus and the like. She gives me access to her priv photos which were all trashy on counter top naked in hotel room type photos. I tell her no more than $ per visit and she tells me, "I am a SB not a HOE" and that I need to learn the difference. So I replied, "Well you did just agree to let me fuck your brains out for the right $ (her words) until you heard the offer. All that really does is make you a high-priced HOE...Right!
She blocked me LMFAO.
[QUOTE=Raslan;2752520]Was talking with a very attractive Hispanic chica who was "very interested" and how I'd "be perfect" for her blah blah. So I made her give me a per meet to which she replied $500 (plus she can't host).
At that point I said we'd better part civilly but she pressed for a number. I hit her with the usual $100 to which she replied that I am on the wrong site, that I should search BP under ESCORT (her capitalization).
I told her she might be right that an escort who asks for $100 might be on BP but an escort who asks for $500 would either be on TER or CV and, which one are you on?!
Man, the way these chicks justify. SMH.[/QUOTE]It's YOUR fault for treating her like an escort in the first place.
Only ESCORTS have hourly rates. A sugar baby should be treated differently.
You shot yourself in the foot.
[QUOTE=GoldenMan;2754097]It's YOUR fault for treating her like an escort in the first place.
Only ESCORTS have hourly rates. A sugar baby should be treated differently.
You shot yourself in the foot.[/QUOTE]Or she could have been an escort trying to pass herself off as something different. There has been a lot of that going around for a few years now and it is actually increasing as awareness of the SD sites is growing in the escort community. Just my opinion. But I encounter similar exchanges at least once a month myself.
[QUOTE=GoldenMan;2754097]It's YOUR fault for treating her like an escort in the first place.
Only ESCORTS have hourly rates. A sugar baby should be treated differently.
You shot yourself in the foot.[/QUOTE]GM is a guru.
[QUOTE=Christophe1;2754517]GM is a guru.[/QUOTE]I don't doubt that as I have read many of his posts. But working on an SD site and blowing through dozens or even hundreds (in my case thousands) of girls doesn't always leave time for the niceties that would assuage or persuade a prospect to do what you want them to do. Especially on a walmart budget. Love you guys. Lets keep the stories and advice flowing.
I know there are a lot of guys that read this thread but do not contribute, as I get a few PM's here and there from them. So chime in guys. There is no requirement for membership except a desire to bang more pussy.
ESPECIALLY for those of you guys on a WalMart budget, you need to STOP treating sugar babies and non-pros like escorts.
What so many mongers fail to understand is that SBs and NPs offer the best of all worlds, and should be treated so much differently than hookers.
1. You get sex with no strings attached.
2. You get hardcore GFE porn sex.
3. You pay very very little for what you get in return (if you work it correctly).
4. You can get a girl to hang out at your house all weekend sucking your dick, bending over for you at will, showering with you, massaging you, playing dress up for you, massaging your balls, all for the same price or less than a 1-hour date on HX.
Sure occasionally some 'ho will try to pass herself off as an innocent girl, but if you've been in the game for more than 6 months you can spot these ones a mile away.
For the other 99% of girls on sugar daddy websites, just treat her like a normal person. Take her out to dinner, have fun, get her back to your place, fuck her in the mouth, and then AFTER you've drained your balls into her various holes, then you start talking about money.
[B]If you start negotiating hourly rates over email before you've even met her, then you've already lost. You're a mark, and she hates you.[/B]
At the risk of alienating most everybody who is reading this, here is how I've heard it going down:
You finally get a girl on seekinng arranngement to answer your ad. You get all excited and start bombarding her with texts and emails, which from her point of view are annoying, especially since all you say is "How much?" You probably even ask her if she offers BBBJ, Greek, and MSOG, and she's starting to wonder why the fuck she ever signed up to this stupid website. She wants a man to sweep her off her feet and help her with her bills, not some undersexed nerd who wants to negotiate sexual positions over email.
The only thing she knows about you is the blurry picture and generic profile, so she hits you with a $500 offer. To both of you, that's a lot of money, and negotiations break down because she knows you can't afford it. You counter with $100, she balks, and you have another night at home alone stroking yourself.
[B]REMEMBER YOU DON'T NEED TO BE RICH, YOU JUST NEED TO BE RICHER THAN HER.[/B]
If you want to rent a girl by the hour, go to HX. THere are 1,000 girls who can be had for $300 or less. Per hour.
Or, for the same price or less, you can have a pencil spinner college girl with daddy issues spending a whole weekend with you. But you have to treat her like a human, and not a HX cumdumpster. Keep your audience in mind. Why did this stupid girl sign up to SA? Because she wants to service dozens of horny nerds every week at $100 per hour? OF COURSE NOT YOU FUCKING DORK, GET IT TOGETHER.
[B]She signed up because she wants the fantasy of dating a man who is going to take care of her financially.[/B] So give her the fantasy. Flirt with her, ask her about her favorite restaurant and then TAKE HER THERE. 99% chance it will be something shitty like Red Lobster. Yeah, you might have to pay $50 for dinner and not get laid that night. Try to think long-term, and not just about what your dick is going to be doing that night.
Present yourself as a "rich" boyfriend, but NEVER BRING UP MONEY UNTIL AFTER YOU'VE PUT SOMETHING INSIDE HER.
[B]PRO TIP: If she brings up money, act annoyed and disgusted, and make a point of talking about how you don't want a hooker. You're a busy professional with no time for relationships, and you thought she was better than that.[/B]
Oh, and I just realized that all this probably only applies to single guys who have the time, inclination, and social skills to pull it off. If you're married, or if you're a hopeless nerd, you're better off just getting HX girls for 30 minutes at a time.
But if you want the world to be your sexual playground, for relatively little money, then you need to identify your targets and act appropriately.
I recently had a confused young girl spend the entire night at my house with her ankles next to her ears, who thanked me PROFUSELY the next morning because I paid her $63 phone bill. Think back to when you were 19 and broke and how a little bit of help worked wonders.
I've had girls take vacations with me with no expectations other than I pay for things (cheap!) and they rewarded me over and over and over with their bodies.
Seriously, guys. [B]Stop asking non-pros for their hourly rates.[/B] You're shooting yourself in the foot.
Ask me anything. I'm all ears. I have no problem sharing everything because I know 99% of people won't act on it. It's the same in my business seminars. I tell people step-by-step how to get rich and everybody ignores it except for one smart guy every few months, because they either lack the stones or they don't want to work for it and would rather get quick results. If you want quick results, go to HX. If you want extremly rewarding and inexpensive experiences, change your game.
Walmart budget on Sugar daddy sites is an oxymoron. I read both sides of profiles and a lot of people say NO ESCORTS but lower budget Johns can infiltrate these sites turning them into another BP, CL and HX. Like GM is correct. .
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2754532]I don't doubt that as I have read many of his posts. But working on an SD site and blowing through dozens or even hundreds (in my case thousands) of girls doesn't always leave time for the niceties that would assuage or persuade a prospect to do what you want them to do. Especially on a walmart budget. Love you guys. Lets keep the stories and advice flowing.
I know there are a lot of guys that read this thread but do not contribute, as I get a few PM's here and there from them. So chime in guys. There is no requirement for membership except a desire to bang more pussy.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2753404]I am civi dating my X roommate. 34. 5'7" 116 She is very sweet. For now she is my GF.[/QUOTE]That is some sweet looking punani.
[QUOTE=GoldenMan;2754715]ESPECIALLY for those of you guys on a WalMart budget, you need to STOP treating sugar babies and non-pros like escorts.
What so many mongers fail to understand is that SBs and NPs offer the best of all worlds, and should be treated so much differently than hookers.
1. You get sex with no strings attached.
2. You get hardcore GFE porn sex.
3. You pay very very little for what you get in return (if you work it correctly).
4. You can get a girl to hang out at your house all weekend sucking your dick, bending over for you at will, showering with you, massaging you, playing dress up for you, massaging your balls, all for the same price or less than a 1-hour date on HX.
Sure occasionally some 'ho will try to pass herself off as an innocent girl, but if you've been in the game for more than 6 months you can spot these ones a mile away.
For the other 99% of girls on sugar daddy websites, just treat her like a normal person. Take her out to dinner, have fun, get her back to your place, fuck her in the mouth, and then AFTER you've drained your balls into her various holes, then you start talking about money.
[B]If you start negotiating hourly rates over email before you've even met her, then you've already lost. You're a mark, and she hates you.[/B]
At the risk of alienating most everybody who is reading this, here is how I've heard it going down:
You finally get a girl on seekinng arranngement to answer your ad. You get all excited and start bombarding her with texts and emails, which from her point of view are annoying, especially since all you say is "How much?" You probably even ask her if she offers BBBJ, Greek, and MSOG, and she's starting to wonder why the fuck she ever signed up to this stupid website. She wants a man to sweep her off her feet and help her with her bills, not some undersexed nerd who wants to negotiate sexual positions over email.
The only thing she knows about you is the blurry picture and generic profile, so she hits you with a $500 offer. To both of you, that's a lot of money, and negotiations break down because she knows you can't afford it. You counter with $100, she balks, and you have another night at home alone stroking yourself.
[B]REMEMBER YOU DON'T NEED TO BE RICH, YOU JUST NEED TO BE RICHER THAN HER.[/B]
If you want to rent a girl by the hour, go to HX. THere are 1,000 girls who can be had for $300 or less. Per hour.
Or, for the same price or less, you can have a pencil spinner college girl with daddy issues spending a whole weekend with you. But you have to treat her like a human, and not a HX cumdumpster. Keep your audience in mind. Why did this stupid girl sign up to SA? Because she wants to service dozens of horny nerds every week at $100 per hour? OF COURSE NOT YOU FUCKING DORK, GET IT TOGETHER.
[B]She signed up because she wants the fantasy of dating a man who is going to take care of her financially.[/B] So give her the fantasy. Flirt with her, ask her about her favorite restaurant and then TAKE HER THERE. 99% chance it will be something shitty like Red Lobster. Yeah, you might have to pay $50 for dinner and not get laid that night. Try to think long-term, and not just about what your dick is going to be doing that night.
Present yourself as a "rich" boyfriend, but NEVER BRING UP MONEY UNTIL AFTER YOU'VE PUT SOMETHING INSIDE HER.
[B]PRO TIP: If she brings up money, act annoyed and disgusted, and make a point of talking about how you don't want a hooker. You're a busy professional with no time for relationships, and you thought she was better than that.[/B]
Oh, and I just realized that all this probably only applies to single guys who have the time, inclination, and social skills to pull it off. If you're married, or if you're a hopeless nerd, you're better off just getting HX girls for 30 minutes at a time.
But if you want the world to be your sexual playground, for relatively little money, then you need to identify your targets and act appropriately.
I recently had a confused young girl spend the entire night at my house with her ankles next to her ears, who thanked me PROFUSELY the next morning because I paid her $63 phone bill. Think back to when you were 19 and broke and how a little bit of help worked wonders.
I've had girls take vacations with me with no expectations other than I pay for things (cheap!) and they rewarded me over and over and over with their bodies.
Seriously, guys. [B]Stop asking non-pros for their hourly rates.[/B] You're shooting yourself in the foot.
Ask me anything. I'm all ears. I have no problem sharing everything because I know 99% of people won't act on it. It's the same in my business seminars. I tell people step-by-step how to get rich and everybody ignores it except for one smart guy every few months, because they either lack the stones or they don't want to work for it and would rather get quick results. If you want quick results, go to HX. If you want extremly rewarding and inexpensive experiences, change your game.[/QUOTE]I just have to say that is some fantastic advice. Think long term, not short term gain.
"Present yourself as a "rich" boyfriend, but NEVER BRING UP MONEY UNTIL AFTER YOU'VE PUT SOMETHING INSIDE HER.
PRO TIP: If she brings up money, act annoyed and disgusted, and make a point of talking about how you don't want a hooker. You're a busy professional with no time for relationships, and you thought she was better than that. ".
OK, those are my two favorite lines. In my case, she did bring up money first. Would have loved your second line here at that time.
I must say I get nervous at the backlash if, after we bang and she has her proverbial hand out, the amount is far less than she wanted. That could get ugly.
I had 2 M&G's yesterday. One is a 43 yo white divorcee who is seriously DTF. She pursued me. Not the best looking but, shit, neither am I. I felt it was required so towards the end, I brought up "the ugly subject. " She scoffed, said she hates that aspect, wouldn't give a number as she felt it made her feel like a pro so we dropped it.
I thought I was supposed to ask. LESSON LEARNED!
The other was an absolutely gorgeous 28 yo black girl. We already did the email exchange about numbers (LESSON LEARNED) and she's fine with my cheap ass number. We plan to get naked.
Thanks again for the wisdom! I copied those two phrases into a Google Doc!
[QUOTE=Tipisil;2755006]I just have to say that is some fantastic advice. Think long term, not short term gain.[/QUOTE]He's quoting some of the same stuff that was said in the LA NP thread years ago. It's not anything revolutionary. If you scroll back some years, a certain member advocated a "hit it and fish again" mentality. Others said that it wasn't the same type of woman and that you have to have a different mindset. The latter's advice was ignored as the former was a "legend" and CL is now a wasteland. Now you have to pay for connecting with women the same way you used to on CL for free.
Ain't life grand?
Now we are getting somewhere. If anyone "ever" takes anything anyone says and thinks that its insulting their intelligence. Then they are on the wrong thread.
This is a place for hard core advice, stupid questions, stories of conquest & glory, and sometime just thinking out loud. Thanks to everyone that contributes to this thread.
Now about those pics.
I've had two friends that were sugar babies. The first one had a day job making about 3 K a month, where she worked with an industry person that bought her an Escalade and paid for her $2 k / month rent. He only wanted to see her about 2 x / week in his Hollywood Hills house where she got to spend the night. She got lots of gifts and he helped her advance in her daytime career by referrals. This allowed her to explore her passions. Like dancing, acting, singing, standup, etc. I always admired her freedom to try new things.
Another lady was a massage therapists. She got an admirer who bought her an MP. Then he gave her 10 K / month. I asked her if this guy was crazy? SERIOUSLY, he didn't want her to quit the MP gig. She fucked lots of guys for a hundred and was highly requested when she worked. The guy had been retired forever, and just sat at home alone (her story). Whatever their arrangement, it made them both mutually happy. I always wondered why she continued to work, but never asked her why.
Today, I hung out with a 27 year old single mom that just scrapes by to live. She is smart, okay looks, and her mom told her to get a sugar daddy. I was at a crossroads of sorts. I didn't want her to be used up and spit out by a hardcore monger, but I also thought, what a good mom. Her mom told her that she deserves a better life. Get a sugar daddy and maybe you can...
I'm starting to think this sugar baby thing is a good deal. My 2016 goal is to get a 20 to 30 year old with money to wine and dine my poor ass. I want to be private jetted around and at her beckon command to fuck her everywhere when she wants. I'll eat out her pussy when desired. My personality and hard cock shall prevail.
Namaste
[QUOTE=Christophe1;2756078]I've had two friends that were sugar babies. The first one had a day job making about 3 K a month, where she worked with an industry person that bought her an Escalade and paid for her $2 k / month rent. He only wanted to see her about 2 x / week in his Hollywood Hills house where she got to spend the night. She got lots of gifts and he helped her advance in her daytime career by referrals. This allowed her to explore her passions. Like dancing, acting, singing, standup, etc. I always admired her freedom to try new things.
Another lady was a massage therapists. She got an admirer who bought her an MP. Then he gave her 10 K / month. I asked her if this guy was crazy? SERIOUSLY, he didn't want her to quit the MP gig. She fucked lots of guys for a hundred and was highly requested when she worked. The guy had been retired forever, and just sat at home alone (her story). Whatever their arrangement, it made them both mutually happy. I always wondered why she continued to work, but never asked her why.
Today, I hung out with a 27 year old single mom that just scrapes by to live. She is smart, okay looks, and her mom told her to get a sugar daddy. I was at a crossroads of sorts. I didn't want her to be used up and spit out by a hardcore monger, but I also thought, what a good mom. Her mom told her that she deserves a better life. Get a sugar daddy and maybe you can...
I'm starting to think this sugar baby thing is a good deal. My 2016 goal is to get a 20 to 30 year old with money to wine and dine my poor ass. I want to be private jetted around and at her beckon command to fuck her everywhere when she wants. I'll eat out her pussy when desired. My personality and hard cock shall prevail.
Namaste[/QUOTE]No doubt they will. The possibilities are endless. I just saw my new dr for my nerve damage problem. An attractive older but slender and obviously hot at one time blonde. I can't mess up my chance to get her to help me. But I couldn't help myself and dropped a few hints. She didn't bat an eye and I didn't see a ring. We have a mutual friend in common so I am going to find out what her marital status is. If she is married I will keep my big mouth shut. If not I am going to wait until after all the medical care I will be getting and then see if I have a chance. I was a sugar boy once. I think I may have posted about it years ago. It got ugly. I did it for like two years. That's all I'll say about it now or ever.
A few years ago I started to buy a custom made wardrobe with the intention of hitting up older divorced women and widowers. Didn't follow through on that one either as I got scared I might not get it up on command.