[QUOTE=Ambrose;2518695]Casey wrote a good post, but it's good for us not the Providence Journal.[/QUOTE]This was for a spa in Philly, but the same bullshit applies.
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[QUOTE=Ambrose;2518695]Casey wrote a good post, but it's good for us not the Providence Journal.[/QUOTE]This was for a spa in Philly, but the same bullshit applies.
I think we're "beating a dead horse" and need to get back to reporting the good and bad at the spas. For example, is M still the best "other worldly" experience? But seriously, the spas are open and seem to be "safe", and we need to continue to help one another.
A number of PM's to me have been very favorable about Opulance. Techs are young, beautiful and have become accommodating. May be worth a visit. They sure look good on BP every day.
[QUOTE=SrDiablito;2518631]...There has also been some research recently that states that countries that have legalized prostitution have lower rat
es of sex crimes against women. ...[/QUOTE]I haven't seen international statistics about this but someone researched rates of violence against women in RI that appeared to show a lower rate of crime against women when prostitution wasn't illegal, but thje numbers don't work if you look at more than a couple of yeears pre and post decriminalization if you don't look at a very specific range of years the numbers don't show any correlation.
[QUOTE=LatinHunt;2518668]Sorry, but I've never liked that "lower rates of sex crimes against women" argument. That implies that instead of raping somebody a rapist will just go to a spa. Maybe true, but I don't want to hear it, and it's not a good point to argue IMO. A person who is against spa's isn't going to say, "oh, that's a good outlet for the rapists", "we'll let the spa's stay open".[/QUOTE]That was my first thought when I heard that to and I similar objections, but I think what the argument really is is that when an activity is criminalized it has to operate in the shadows and attracts shadowy people.
Ex. When sex for money is legal, a brothel / spa / individual can work in a well lit professional environment with security cameras, etc.
When it's illegal, women wanting / needingi to do that kind of work have to work out of their homes or on the street. Either of which puts them in potentially more risky situations (craigslist strangers, people wanting rob / rape them).
So not it's not that johns will rape women if they can't pay for sex legally, It's that douchebags who might rape have more targets in women that are easier to prey on when prostitution is illegal. (women walking along late at night in not-particularly safe parts of the city instead of working in a well lit business with a screener and other employees in case anything happens).
[QUOTE=iamioman;2519738]That was my first thought when I heard that to and I similar objections, but I think what the argument really is is that when an activity is criminalized it has to operate in the shadows and attracts shadowy people.
Ex. When sex for money is legal, a brothel / spa / individual can work in a well lit professional environment with security cameras, etc.
When it's illegal, women wanting / needingi to do that kind of work have to work out of their homes or on the street. Either of which puts them in potentially more risky situations (craigslist strangers, people wanting rob / rape them).
So not it's not that johns will rape women if they can't pay for sex legally, It's that douchebags who might rape have more targets in women that are easier to prey on when prostitution is illegal. (women walking along late at night in not-particularly safe parts of the city instead of working in a well lit business with a screener and other employees in case anything happens).[/QUOTE]Good deduction, and because the spa girls never walk the street it is in fact another reason that the argument for legalizing spa's to reduce rape is a ridiculous one. Maybe it can be argued somewhere but not in providence.
[QUOTE=LatinHunt;2519958]Good deduction, and because the spa girls never walk the street it is in fact another reason that the argument for legalizing spa's to reduce rape is a ridiculous one. Maybe it can be argued somewhere but not in providence.[/QUOTE]I read an article which basically said that in the state of Rhode Island STD rates where lower when the spas were not criminalized. That article did not get the play of all of the undercover journalist going into spas. Maybe it can be argued in Providence.
Here's a good, and funny read. The funny part is when they talk about cheaters.
[URL]https://www.academia.edu/12125214/Decriminalized_Prostitution_in_Rhode_Island_Impunity_for_Violence_and_Exploitation[/URL]
[QUOTE=TsLover42;2519683]I think we're "beating a dead horse" and need to get back to reporting the good and bad at the spas. For example, is M still the best "other worldly" experience? But seriously, the spas are open and seem to be "safe", and we need to continue to help one another.
A number of PM's to me have been very favorable about Opulance. Techs are young, beautiful and have become accommodating. May be worth a visit. They sure look good on BP every day.[/QUOTE]I have read good things about Opulence, but I have also read that they are professionally dressed. Have they started wearing more skimpy outfits like the girls at the former Main Avenue?
[QUOTE=ChoirBoy;2520408]I have read good things about Opulence, but I have also read that they are professionally dressed. Have they started wearing more skimpy outfits like the girls at the former Main Avenue?[/QUOTE]No, their clothes are covering them from their necks to their feet. Like the new ordinance states, looks like they are going by the rules.
[QUOTE=ChoirBoy;2520408]I have read good things about Opulence, but I have also read that they are professionally dressed. Have they started wearing more skimpy outfits like the girls at the former Main Avenue?[/QUOTE]As you know, I prefer AMP's and am only reporting from PM's. But at both Enso and Opulence isn't it what they're wearing or not wearing at the end that counts. IMHO? I really doubt that I will ever go to Opulence but any reports here would be welcomed, I'm sure.
And I really loved those shorts that Yoko and Cece wore.
[QUOTE=LatinHunt;2520198]Here's a good, and funny read. The funny part is when they talk about cheaters.
[URL]https://www.academia.edu/12125214/Decriminalized_Prostitution_in_Rhode_Island_Impunity_for_Violence_and_Exploitation[/URL][/QUOTE]There may be some sound data in that report, but one of the very first conclusions she bases her whole arguyment on is completely bogus and makes a rookie mistake of confusing a correlation with a cause.
She cites the growth in online reviews of providers in RI over a 10+ year span as evidence that prostitution in RI increased greatly during those years. Go back and look at the years. They are the years (starting in 1995) when the public at large started getting on the internet in a big way (1995+).
Of course there aren't going to be as many online reviews when there weren't as many people online to post reviews. I would bet you $1000 there's a similar increase in the rate of restaurant reviews in RI over the same span of yuears, does that mean people went out to eat (or ate that much more) during those same years?
She may think she has noble goals but if this report is any indication Hughes is a bullshit academic.
[QUOTE=LatinHunt;2518668]Sorry, but I've never liked that "lower rates of sex crimes against women" argument. That implies that instead of raping somebody a rapist will just go to a spa. Maybe true, but I don't want to hear it, and it's not a good point to argue IMO. A person who is against spa's isn't going to say, "oh, that's a good outlet for the rapists", "we'll let the spa's stay open".[/QUOTE]Good point.
Given the current climate I think it's time for a weekend in Flushing. Anyone have any intel on AMPs, hotels, restaurants, etc?
[QUOTE=SrDiablito;2522603]Given the current climate I think it's time for a weekend in Flushing. Anyone have any intel on AMPs, hotels, restaurants, etc?[/QUOTE]Queens.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3825-Massage-Parlor-Reports[/URL]
Chinatown.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3872-Massage-Parlor-Reports[/URL]
Providence, before the mess was better.
[QUOTE=SrDiablito;2522603]Given the current climate I think it's time for a weekend in Flushing. Anyone have any intel on AMPs, hotels, restaurants, etc?[/QUOTE]I've thought about a road trip to Flushing, then I was thinking, the girls all go there for their bacation also where they live not for more work. I've checked BP a while ago to see about spas there and I wasn't impressed. Maybe if I dug a little deeper I could come up with more information to convince me otherwise.
I'm sure we could put together a few guys for the trip.