Does Paradise Thai in pearl city give HE? Do they offer more services? I'm wondering about Mai and if she crossed over to the darkside. I searched the forums and got mixed results.
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Does Paradise Thai in pearl city give HE? Do they offer more services? I'm wondering about Mai and if she crossed over to the darkside. I searched the forums and got mixed results.
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[QUOTE=HiLife808;3450089]Bruh, the standard here in Hawaii for a AMP visit is 200 (house fee + tip).[/QUOTE]Yes, if you tip less, the ladies will be more critical of customers, making it harder for all of us.
[QUOTE=JohnRoss;3450082]$120 tip and she didn't balk?[/QUOTE]Perhaps he was at Pine Tree on a slow night. Once, after a lousy session (not at Pine Tree), I wanted to try another girl, but I was a little short on funds. When I got to the place, I told her what I had in my wallet and asked if it would be OK with her. Without hesitation, she said she was OK. I believe I caught her on an extremely slow day. His $120 tip + the house fee is in the ball park.
They are legit.
[QUOTE=JohnnyZero;3445644]Does Paradise Thai in pearl city give HE? Do they offer more services? I'm wondering about Mai and if she crossed over to the darkside. I searched the forums and got mixed results.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JohnRoss;3450082]$120 tip and she didn't balk?[/QUOTE]She stalled a bit. I think she went out to talk to the boss lady or something and I guess it was agreed upon.
[QUOTE=HiLife808;3450089]Bruh, the standard here in Hawaii for a AMP visit is 200 (house fee + tip).[/QUOTE]Your income is perhaps a bit higher than mine. I won't be judgmental of you though.
[QUOTE=JohnRoss;3450092]Yes, if you tip less, the ladies will be more critical of customers, making it harder for all of us.[/QUOTE]I get that aspect of the business. I have not done an AMP in two years and I was simply going off the amounts that people tip from Rub Maps. My apologies for not being an expert level with this.
[QUOTE=GiAnt34;3450129]Perhaps he was at Pine Tree on a slow night. Once, after a lousy session (not at Pine Tree), I wanted to try another girl, but I was a little short on funds. When I got to the place, I told her what I had in my wallet and asked if it would be OK with her. Without hesitation, she said she was OK. I believe I caught her on an extremely slow day. His $120 tip + the house fee is in the ball park.[/QUOTE]It was a slow night indeed, so any income is better than my money walking away.
[QUOTE=JohnRoss;3450092]Yes, if you tip less, the ladies will be more critical of customers, making it harder for all of us.[/QUOTE]A popular girl counted the money before I left. I wasn't offended but she said a bunch of dudes have been shorting her recently.
[QUOTE=Sukebegai;3450752]Where exactly did you read this?[/QUOTE]
I actually saw this when I went to Google and the reviews sections. Not sure how true it is. Two years ago I actually went there and had a couple of girls, one was a Korean who was truly amazing. The Native Hawaiian was thuggish ruggish and not good.
[QUOTE=ElPayaso;3450859]I actually saw this when I went to Google and the reviews sections. Not sure how true it is.[/QUOTE]If you can't confirm whether it's true or not then don't post it. Can't believe admin didn't delete your post.
[blue]Can't believe you're busting my ass when you didn't report the post. YOU ARE ALL UNMODERATED SENIOR MEMBERS, until somebody reported this I never saw any of it.
Next time instead of finding fault with me just use the button on the post that we put there so you can report it. Obviously it's not as much fun as fingerwaggen but it's more effective.
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[QUOTE=ElPayaso;3450584]She stalled a bit. I think she went out to talk to the boss lady or something and I guess it was agreed upon.
Your income is perhaps a bit higher than mine. I won't be judgmental of you though.
I get that aspect of the business. I have not done an AMP in two years and I was simply going off the amounts that people tip from Rub Maps. My apologies for not being an expert level with this.
It was a slow night indeed, so any income is better than my money walking away.[/QUOTE]My normal is $60 + $140, the least is $60 + $80,100 they didn't even count or after counting simply wanted me back the next week. If they like you the money part is very different, but you do still have to pay.
[QUOTE=HawaiianNono;3453587]My normal is $60 + $140, the least is $60 + $80,100 they didn't even count or after counting simply wanted me back the next week. If they like you the money part is very different, but you do still have to pay.[/QUOTE]They like the money more than you my friend nice report.
Hi, I'm looking to check out my first AMP. I'm not new to mongering, but I usually just stick to the backpage providers. Can some of you recommend which AMP in town are good for first timers?
Whoa who's the good ones on backpage? Maybe Betta than AMPs, who you best fuck on the back page? Hula and Sanho is the best today, just like all indie kine, nice indie girls. Check um out and report. Bring 200 minimum and good times.
Sanho young and pretty kine plenty. Best for new kine.
[QUOTE=FlyWheeligGy6;3460990]Hi, I'm looking to check out my first AMP. I'm not new to mongering, but I usually just stick to the backpage providers. Can some of you recommend which AMP in town are good for first timers?[/QUOTE]
[URL]https://voicesofny.org/2017/03/prostitution-may-lead-to-deportation/[/URL]
And today one Chinese woman who is considered as victim of human trafficking was arrested at court by ICE. In new york. Not in southern states.
And I heard some story that ICE suddenly visited AMPs here too.
And I will not say more detail (some unqualified ones were sent to ICE detention center) cause it is not confirmed news yet.
And one more question that I worry for our holy ladies. Many are not citizens yet. Just green card holders. Some may have working permit but I know some AMP managers reject them though they are super young and hot to avoid any possibility of misleading.
It will be weird to ICE that human trafficking (forced prostitution) victim was rescued and get temporary right to live and work in USA but work back for massage parlor again. And working permit is not given to allow so called illegal field.
So those AMP just hire green card holders or citizens.
Anyway if a green card holder provider is sentenced guilty of prostituion, will she be deported? They were not before in most case.
But now all is unpredictable. Even west coast with so many progressive power seem to change dramatically now.
And now my amp informer(?) lady friends told me about all kind of LE involvement.
We may be rejected by amp and girls if they suspect we were service men.
We had better understand them.
Such place means it can be much safer for cerified mongers! Do you really want "we don't worry. We just wanna grab hf. Anyone including LE is welcomed" place? While passionate boom boom, LE is waiting for his chance for promotion in next door?
If HPD's policy is arresting everyone from prostition scene (bobody knows how cops change their rules) and you have strictly regulated job(like military or government or religious job), your whole life will be totally messed up. I hope amps get cautious too.
And we guys stop being gentlemen who try to build romantic mood when we are first visitos.
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That's like 4 for you. Maybe you will learn with your next user name
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One of my AMP lady friend joked.
1-2 among 10 asian guys must use magnum.
3 among 10 white guys must use magnum.
1-2 among 10 black guys don't need to use magnum. And 1 among 10 black guys must be rejected owing to too great size.
She said to me (asian) "baby you are one of those 8 asian guys".
P.S. / it is just joke from her. No need to be too serious about size issue here.
[QUOTE=DeMeter;3462307][URL]https://voicesofny.org/2017/03/prostitution-may-lead-to-deportation/[/URL]
And today one Chinese woman who is considered as victim of human trafficking was arrested at court by ICE. In new york. Not in southern states.
And I heard some story that ICE suddenly visited AMPs here too.
And I will not say more detail (some unqualified ones were sent to ICE detention center) cause it is not confirmed news yet.
And one more question that I worry for our holy ladies. Many are not citizens yet. Just green card holders. Some may have working permit but I know some AMP managers reject them though they are super young and hot to avoid any possibility of misleading.
It will be weird to ICE that human trafficking (forced prostitution) victim was rescued and get temporary right to live and work in USA but work back for massage parlor again. And working permit is not given to allow so called illegal field.
So those AMP just hire green card holders or citizens.
Anyway if a green card holder provider is sentenced guilty of prostituion, will she be deported? They were not before in most case.
But now all is unpredictable. Even west coast with so many progressive power seem to change dramatically now.
And now my amp informer(?) lady friends told me about all kind of LE involvement.
We may be rejected by amp and girls if they suspect we were service men.
We had better understand them.
Such place means it can be much safer for cerified mongers! Do you really want "we don't worry. We just wanna grab hf. Anyone including LE is welcomed" place? While passionate boom boom, LE is waiting for his chance for promotion in next door?
If HPD's policy is arresting everyone from prostition scene (bobody knows how cops change their rules) and you have strictly regulated job(like military or government or religious job), your whole life will be totally messed up. I hope amps get cautious too.
And we guys stop being gentlemen who try to build romantic mood when we are first visitos.[/QUOTE]I know a lot of Chinese Massage places in CC and CS that probably shouldn't be operating at all. Probably not paying taxes and transferring the money back home. One day all these illegal businesses either Chinese, Thai, White, Black, Hispanic, Korean etc, will all come crashing down.
I can't put my finger on it, but it does feel like things are different. Just a foreboding feeling. I wish I could read all the signs.
[QUOTE=DeMeter;3462307][URL]https://voicesofny.org/2017/03/prostitution-may-lead-to-deportation/[/URL]
And today one Chinese woman who is considered as victim of human trafficking was arrested at court by ICE. In new york. Not in southern states.
And I heard some story that ICE suddenly visited AMPs here too.
And I will not say more detail (some unqualified ones were sent to ICE detention center) cause it is not confirmed news yet.
And one more question that I worry for our holy ladies. Many are not citizens yet. Just green card holders. Some may have working permit but I know some AMP managers reject them though they are super young and hot to avoid any possibility of misleading.
It will be weird to ICE that human trafficking (forced prostitution) victim was rescued and get temporary right to live and work in USA but work back for massage parlor again. And working permit is not given to allow so called illegal field.
So those AMP just hire green card holders or citizens.
Anyway if a green card holder provider is sentenced guilty of prostituion, will she be deported? They were not before in most case.
But now all is unpredictable. Even west coast with so many progressive power seem to change dramatically now.
.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FlyWheeligGy6;3460990]Best AMP for first timer?
Hi, I'm looking to check out my first AMP. I'm not new to mongering, but I usually just stick to the backpage providers. Can some of you recommend which AMP in town are good for first timers?[/QUOTE]Here's my advice: it depends upon each monger's personal preferences. For example, one monger recommended Sanho and Hula, which is fine, but speaking only for myself, those "rules" places would probably be among the last places that I would want to visit. It's no secret that I prefer places that specialize in bbfs, even if most of their providers aren't the "young hottie" type. On the other hand, there are some mongers who purposely avoid such places, and of course that's their freedom of choice. So I think it's good to take some time to review the particular AMP threads and decide which of the AMPs are best for your individual preferences. I notice that you posted similar "first AMP visit" questions in 2015 and in May of this year, so maybe it's time to spring into action (smile).
[QUOTE=FlyWheeligGy6;3460990]Hi, I'm looking to check out my first AMP. I'm not new to mongering, but I usually just stick to the backpage providers. Can some of you recommend which AMP in town are good for first timers?[/QUOTE]Personally the indies on Backpage have mostly been a waste of money for me. Right now, I would check out ReJuve or Happiness depending on what you want service wise, age and looks. You might want to check out the reviews first before you make your choice. Good Luck!
[QUOTE=HardEight;3462346]I know a lot of Chinese Massage places in CC and CS that probably shouldn't be operating at all. Probably not paying taxes and transferring the money back home. One day all these illegal businesses either Chinese, Thai, White, Black, Hispanic, Korean etc, will all come crashing down.[/QUOTE]Any business that has cash fall into your category.
Resturants.
Retail stores.
Look what happened years back when they first planned to knock down international market place.
The Koreans were talking bloody murder.
All these type store don't pay their share of taxes.
So what ever you think is legit or not.
Because of cash.
They all break the law.
Just can't prove it all.
[QUOTE=Licentious;3462908]Any business that has cash fall into your category.
Resturants.
Retail stores.
Look what happened years back when they first planned to knock down international market place.
The Koreans were talking bloody murder.
All these type store don't pay their share of taxes.
So what ever you think is legit or not.
Because of cash.
They all break the law.
Just can't prove it all.[/QUOTE]When I hear "Fair share". I just shake my head. Taxation is theft.
[QUOTE=HiPickle;3462935]When I hear "Fair share". I just shake my head. Taxation is theft.[/QUOTE]You're in a forum talking about law and ethics?
This is not the right forum.
[QUOTE=DeMeter;3462340]One of my AMP lady friend joked.
1-2 among 10 asian guys must use magnum.
3 among 10 white guys must use magnum.
1-2 among 10 black guys don't need to use magnum. And 1 among 10 black guys must be rejected owing to too great size.
She said to me (asian) "baby you are one of those 8 asian guys".
P.S. / it is just joke from her. No need to be too serious about size issue here.[/QUOTE]I once asked a AMP Korean provider about the chances my co-worker, a black dude with a 12 inch plus (joke) wanted to get some action and what was her opinion. She said no Korean would handle his monster and that mama san would probably double charge him. Then she said "black women made for black men". Yeah, big and thick anacondas have a "hard" time finding pussy at the AMP here for full penetration, otherwise mama san has to call 911 every time one of her girls gets torn up and may not be worth the double charge! They should stick to porno movies or chance it with some 500 lb animal farm whale that can handle that oil rig piping?
Pearl City Relaxation. I'd like to post a report on PCR, and be able to refer to it later in an easy use friendly way to search it, I'm thinking that if PCR had its own thread, if A monger needed to find info quickly then all the mongers would need to do is go to that thread, instead of searching for pages of unrelated stuff. So for now I will hold off on posting my experience with PCR. Should a thread for PCR be started?
[QUOTE=ProfessorGun69;3464642]Pearl City Relaxation. I'd like to post a report on PCR, and be able to refer to it later in an easy use friendly way to search it, I'm thinking that if PCR had its own thread, if A monger needed to find info quickly then all the mongers would need to do is go to that thread, instead of searching for pages of unrelated stuff. So for now I will hold off on posting my experience with PCR. Should a thread for PCR be started?[/QUOTE]I made one for you. I would like to see your report.
[QUOTE=Thor5541;3464716]I made one for you. I would like to see your report.[/QUOTE]It's in the thread now.
Anyone try the new place on Makaloa St? I think there was another place there recently that didn't last long. I may stop by to see if the girls are even close the the pictures in the BP ad.
[QUOTE=FlyWheeligGy6;3460990]Hi, I'm looking to check out my first AMP. I'm not new to mongering, but I usually just stick to the backpage providers. Can some of you recommend which AMP in town are good for first timers?[/QUOTE]Fly, I don't see you volunteering any reviews on any providers. You ask a lot of questions about providers, but never share your experience.
[QUOTE=VanDeventer;3467371]Anyone try the new place on Makaloa St? I think there was another place there recently that didn't last long. I may stop by to see if the girls are even close the the pictures in the BP ad.[/QUOTE]Young voice answered the phone, tried to be very friendly and energetic, begging me to come over now, "Girls are ready".
Problem is, most BP ad pics are fake. I don't expect to see a girls face for obvious reasons. But using inside the AMP as a backdrop and taking nice pics with the girls face turned away, is a good way to get guys to come over, because then 'we' potential customers don't feel like we're getting ripped off with a bit and switch. Too bad more AMPs don't understand this. I don't want a picture of a girl that 'almost' looks like this. I want a pic that IS THE GIRL.
One Nadda one when open up? The ad said "New Grand Opening Cherry Blossom".
At 1331 MAKALOA B5. The girls in the ad look pretty. Angel, Candi, Sara, Cheri, Lili and Sandi. Was there anada AMP ther3 before?
[QUOTE=TomAssCan9;3468382]One Nadda one when open up? The ad said "New Grand Opening Cherry Blossom".
At 1331 MAKALOA B5. The girls in the ad look pretty. Angel, Candi, Sara, Cheri, Lili and Sandi. Was there anada AMP ther3 before?[/QUOTE]Read post#14966 in the Backpage thread. Info there will get you to other posts.
I don't like to write negative reviews but.
Apparently, like many others here, I was intrigued by the new ads showing up on BP and CL for "[B]Cherry Blossom Spa[/B]" [URL]http://honolulu.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/new-grand-opening-exotic-girls-sexy-have-some-fun-great-service/7911033[/URL] and for "[B]Garden City Spa[/B]" [URL]https://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/thp/d/welcome-to-city-garden-spa/6219476084.html[/URL] located on Makaloa St. I had been to "Best Asian Massage" [URL]http://honolulu.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/best-asian-massage/6278872[/URL] a few months ago and recognized the address as all being the same location. Historically, this was once the location of "17 Massage" but that business is no longer advertising.
This is not intended to be a review of my previous visit to "Best Asian Massage" but I need to set the stage a bit. As I said, I visited "Best Asian Massage" a few months ago. Upon arrival I was greeted by Mama (a 50-ish Chinese or Korean lady who called herself Anna). I was very surprised at how large the facility was and how many rooms there apparently were. Mama greeted me at the bottom of the stairs and at the top of the stairs introduced me to the therapist in a large open area with a couch, table and food preparation areas. This large room also housed the only bathroom available for a shower. After my shower, the therapist led me to a room through the large open area and to the left for my massage. This session was satisfactory, but just barely so. The shower arrangement meant parading through half the building wrapped in a towel with bare damp feet from the shower. The massage room itself was small and dark. The facility just gave the impression of being run down and shabby. Luckily, the therapist and her massage service and HE were fine.
I saw the new ads for "Cherry Blossom Spa" and "City Garden Spa" and thought to myself that it looked like they might have put some money into the building and created something interesting here. I saw the line in the "Cherry Blossom Spa" ad that said "Clean and Cozy PRIVATE ROOMS each with its own shower" and "HOT B2 B SHOWER" and it sounded like something totally different than I'd experience the last time I was there. I was intrigued enough to give them a second chance.
I called "Cherry Blossom Spa" for a morning appointment and the lady on the phone identified herself as Anna (same person as my earlier visit). She said there were two girls available in the morning. I arrive at the appointed time and there is no sign of "Cherry Blossom Spa" - just the old sign for 17 Massage. I ring the doorbell and wait. After a few minutes a woman comes down the stairs to let me in. When we get to the top of the stairs the disappointment begins. I expected to see Anna again and sure enough, she's still running the show. OK I can deal with that. But there are no signs of any outward changes to the facility. Still the same layout and shabby furniture and still the same look and feel.
I bit of confusion ensues. It seems that the same facility is used for "massage" (Best Asian and City Garden) and "everything" (Cherry Blossom). If you want "massage" service, you go through the open area to the left as I did in my previous visit. If you want "everything" you go to the right (back over the stairway) to a different set of rooms. After assuring Anna that I'm interested in "everything" she introduces me to LiLi and we go to the room.
Not surprisingly, Lili is NOTHING like the photo in the ad. I didn't expect that the photo would be real but this wasn't even an approximation. The real Lili is 40-ish Chinese MIMNMF (Mother I Might Not Mind F**king) with shoulder length dark hair, chest tattoo covered by makeup, 5'5" tall and 130 - 140 pounds, dressed in a simple dress and sandals (street clothes). Nothing sexy or provocative abut her appearance, at all. Not like the photos but if the service is OK, it will be fine.
The service is NOT OK. Enter the room and get hug that has all the appeal of hugging my grandmother. The room, although small, offers some promise. There is variable lighting, a low bed, a table, clothes hooks and such and an attached small bathroom. Bad news is that there is a used towel hanging in the bathroom and signs that this is where someone actually sleeps (maybe LiLi). Together, we do a little housekeeping by removing the used towel, straightening up the clothes hanging on the hooks (I see that there is a bra, maybe hers, hanging there) and I start to undress for a shower. I ask LiLi to join me in the shower and she responds with "Oh no" - I should have left right then. So much for the promise of "HOT B2 B SHOWER"! So I head to the bathroom and LiLi leaves the room for a few minutes while I complete the courtesy shower.
When I get out of the shower, LiLi returns, still fully dressed. [B][red]To collect.[/red][/B] Wants to be prepaid - $$. Tell her "later" but I give in when she persists. Stupid me! She takes the $$ outside the room and returns. Ok. Now what do I do? Another unenthusiastic hug, some attempts at LFK (avoided), some schoolboy groping, nuzzling, anything I can think of to try to wake this dead fish up. Finally give up and just start to undress her. This is not going well at all. I'm having to work entirely too hard to be having a good time! Undressed, she doesn't look bad at all, nice firm body (not thin but solid) with B or C size boobs, large erect nipples that ask to be sucked, firm tummy with a couple of tiny tattoos. Lie on the bed to caress, touch and such and the rules continue. No kissing other that peck on cheek / neck, no DATY, no touching anywhere near her nani. All services were covered and I hate CBJ. Just isn't exciting to me.
After 20 minutes of frustration and no chemistry, I gave up. Sat up and said "that's enough". Took another quick shower, found LiLi back in her street clothes when I emerged, got dried and dressed and headed for the door with her saying "Sorry Baby" - not half as sorry as I was. I've been here for 25 minutes now and I've had 2 self showers, 2 grandmotherly hugs, a couple of pecks on the neck, 30 seconds of dry rubbing of junior, a few "I don't like that", more "NO's" than I can count all for $$ - what a deal!! Anna offered "another young girl available tomorrow night" but I only monger during the day. No offer of money back or anything else so I'm out $$.
Not again.
Moral of the story.
Never pay in advance.
Don't expect that a place will ever get better without change of owners / managers.
NEVER PAY IN ADVANCE.
After and total of 30 minutes, I left Anna standing on the stairway saying "sorry" and went to see Maya at Executive Center.
[QUOTE=Darkman808;3467836]Young voice answered the phone, tried to be very friendly and energetic, begging me to come over now, "Girls are ready".
Problem is, most BP ad pics are fake. I don't expect to see a girls face for obvious reasons. But using inside the AMP as a backdrop and taking nice pics with the girls face turned away, is a good way to get guys to come over, because then 'we' potential customers don't feel like we're getting ripped off with a bit and switch. Too bad more AMPs don't understand this. I don't want a picture of a girl that 'almost' looks like this. I want a pic that IS THE GIRL.[/QUOTE]We all remember being shocked as hell when the girl in the pic turned out to be blatantly opposite from the actual 50+ unkempt woman :)
Yes the method you describe is a good idea, unless the women lack appetite-whetting assets. Would be nuts if it turns out there's a line out the door, like at the old New Yorker.
[QUOTE=FCH300;3469237]I don't like to write negative reviews but.
Apparently, like many others here, I was intrigued by the new ads showing up on BP and CL for "[B]Cherry Blossom Spa[/B]" [URL]http://honolulu.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/new-grand-opening-exotic-girls-sexy-have-some-fun-great-service/7911033[/URL] and for "[B]Garden City Spa[/B]" [URL]https://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/thp/d/welcome-to-city-garden-spa/6219476084.html[/URL] located on Makaloa St. I had been to "Best Asian Massage" [URL]http://honolulu.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/best-asian-massage/6278872[/URL] a few months ago and recognized the address as all being the same location. Historically, this was once the location of "17 Massage" but that business is no longer advertising.
This is not intended to be a review of my previous visit to "Best Asian Massage" but I need to set the stage a bit. As I said, I visited "Best Asian Massage" a few months ago. Upon arrival I was greeted by Mama (a 50-ish Chinese or Korean lady who called herself Anna). I was very surprised at how large the facility was and how many rooms there apparently were. Mama greeted me at the bottom of the stairs and at the top of the stairs introduced me to the therapist in a large open area with a couch, table and food preparation areas. This large room also housed the only bathroom available for a shower. After my shower, the therapist led me to a room through the large open area and to the left for my massage. This session was satisfactory, but just barely so. The shower arrangement meant parading through half the building wrapped in a towel with bare damp feet from the shower. The massage room itself was small and dark. The facility just gave the impression of being run down and shabby. Luckily, the therapist and her massage service and HE were fine.
I saw the new ads for "Cherry Blossom Spa" and "City Garden Spa" and thought to myself that it looked like they might have put some money into the building and created something interesting here. I saw the line in the "Cherry Blossom Spa" ad that said "Clean and Cozy PRIVATE ROOMS each with its own shower" and "HOT B2 B SHOWER" and it sounded like something totally different than I'd experience the last time I was there. I was intrigued enough to give them a second chance.
I called "Cherry Blossom Spa" for a morning appointment and the lady on the phone identified herself as Anna (same person as my earlier visit). She said there were two girls available in the morning. I arrive at the appointed time and there is no sign of "Cherry Blossom Spa" - just the old sign for 17 Massage. I ring the doorbell and wait. After a few minutes a woman comes down the stairs to let me in. When we get to the top of the stairs the disappointment begins. I expected to see Anna again and sure enough, she's still running the show. OK I can deal with that. But there are no signs of any outward changes to the facility. Still the same layout and shabby furniture and still the same look and feel.
I bit of confusion ensues. It seems that the same facility is used for "massage" (Best Asian and City Garden) and "everything" (Cherry Blossom). If you want "massage" service, you go through the open area to the left as I did in my previous visit. If you want "everything" you go to the right (back over the stairway) to a different set of rooms. After assuring Anna that I'm interested in "everything" she introduces me to LiLi and we go to the room.
Not surprisingly, Lili is NOTHING like the photo in the ad. I didn't expect that the photo would be real but this wasn't even an approximation. The real Lili is 40-ish Chinese MIMNMF (Mother I Might Not Mind F**king) with shoulder length dark hair, chest tattoo covered by makeup, 5'5" tall and 130 - 140 pounds, dressed in a simple dress and sandals (street clothes). Nothing sexy or provocative abut her appearance, at all. Not like the photos but if the service is OK, it will be fine.
The service is NOT OK. Enter the room and get hug that has all the appeal of hugging my grandmother. The room, although small, offers some promise. There is variable lighting, a low bed, a table, clothes hooks and such and an attached small bathroom. Bad news is that there is a used towel hanging in the bathroom and signs that this is where someone actually sleeps (maybe LiLi). Together, we do a little housekeeping by removing the used towel, straightening up the clothes hanging on the hooks (I see that there is a bra, maybe hers, hanging there) and I start to undress for a shower. I ask LiLi to join me in the shower and she responds with "Oh no" - I should have left right then. So much for the promise of "HOT B2 B SHOWER"! So I head to the bathroom and LiLi leaves the room for a few minutes while I complete the courtesy shower.
When I get out of the shower, LiLi returns, still fully dressed. [B][red]To collect.[/red][/B] Wants to be prepaid - $$. Tell her "later" but I give in when she persists. Stupid me! She takes the $$ outside the room and returns. Ok. Now what do I do? Another unenthusiastic hug, some attempts at LFK (avoided), some schoolboy groping, nuzzling, anything I can think of to try to wake this dead fish up. Finally give up and just start to undress her. This is not going well at all. I'm having to work entirely too hard to be having a good time! Undressed, she doesn't look bad at all, nice firm body (not thin but solid) with B or C size boobs, large erect nipples that ask to be sucked, firm tummy with a couple of tiny tattoos. Lie on the bed to caress, touch and such and the rules continue. No kissing other that peck on cheek / neck, no DATY, no touching anywhere near her nani. All services were covered and I hate CBJ. Just isn't exciting to me.
After 20 minutes of frustration and no chemistry, I gave up. Sat up and said "that's enough". Took another quick shower, found LiLi back in her street clothes when I emerged, got dried and dressed and headed for the door with her saying "Sorry Baby" - not half as sorry as I was. I've been here for 25 minutes now and I've had 2 self showers, 2 grandmotherly hugs, a couple of pecks on the neck, 30 seconds of dry rubbing of junior, a few "I don't like that", more "NO's" than I can count all for $$ - what a deal!! Anna offered "another young girl available tomorrow night" but I only monger during the day. No offer of money back or anything else so I'm out $$.
Not again.
Moral of the story.
Never pay in advance.
Don't expect that a place will ever get better without change of owners / managers.
NEVER PAY IN ADVANCE.
After and total of 30 minutes, I left Anna standing on the stairway saying "sorry" and went to see Maya at Executive Center.[/QUOTE]Maya from executive center? What's her contact info and ad? She hot?
[QUOTE=FCH300;3469237]I don't like to write negative reviews but.
Apparently, like many others here, I was intrigued by the new ads showing up on BP and CL for "[B]Cherry Blossom Spa[/B]" [URL]http://honolulu.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/new-grand-opening-exotic-girls-sexy-have-some-fun-great-service/7911033[/URL] and for "[B]Garden City Spa[/B]" [URL]https://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/thp/d/welcome-to-city-garden-spa/6219476084.html[/URL] located on Makaloa St. I had been to "Best Asian Massage" [URL]http://honolulu.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/best-asian-massage/6278872[/URL] a few months ago and recognized the address as all being the same location. Historically, this was once the location of "17 Massage" but that business is no longer advertising.
This is not intended to be a review of my previous visit to "Best Asian Massage" but I need to set the stage a bit. As I said, I visited "Best Asian Massage" a few months ago. Upon arrival I was greeted by Mama (a 50-ish Chinese or Korean lady who called herself Anna). I was very surprised at how large the facility was and how many rooms there apparently were. Mama greeted me at the bottom of the stairs and at the top of the stairs introduced me to the therapist in a large open area with a couch, table and food preparation areas. This large room also housed the only bathroom available for a shower. After my shower, the therapist led me to a room through the large open area and to the left for my massage. This session was satisfactory, but just barely so. The shower arrangement meant parading through half the building wrapped in a towel with bare damp feet from the shower. The massage room itself was small and dark. The facility just gave the impression of being run down and shabby. Luckily, the therapist and her massage service and HE were fine.
I saw the new ads for "Cherry Blossom Spa" and "City Garden Spa" and thought to myself that it looked like they might have put some money into the building and created something interesting here. I saw the line in the "Cherry Blossom Spa" ad that said "Clean and Cozy PRIVATE ROOMS each with its own shower" and "HOT B2 B SHOWER" and it sounded like something totally different than I'd experience the last time I was there. I was intrigued enough to give them a second chance.
I called "Cherry Blossom Spa" for a morning appointment and the lady on the phone identified herself as Anna (same person as my earlier visit). She said there were two girls available in the morning. I arrive at the appointed time and there is no sign of "Cherry Blossom Spa" - just the old sign for 17 Massage. I ring the doorbell and wait. After a few minutes a woman comes down the stairs to let me in. When we get to the top of the stairs the disappointment begins. I expected to see Anna again and sure enough, she's still running the show. OK I can deal with that. But there are no signs of any outward changes to the facility. Still the same layout and shabby furniture and still the same look and feel.
I bit of confusion ensues. It seems that the same facility is used for "massage" (Best Asian and City Garden) and "everything" (Cherry Blossom). If you want "massage" service, you go through the open area to the left as I did in my previous visit. If you want "everything" you go to the right (back over the stairway) to a different set of rooms. After assuring Anna that I'm interested in "everything" she introduces me to LiLi and we go to the room.
Not surprisingly, Lili is NOTHING like the photo in the ad. I didn't expect that the photo would be real but this wasn't even an approximation. The real Lili is 40-ish Chinese MIMNMF (Mother I Might Not Mind F**king) with shoulder length dark hair, chest tattoo covered by makeup, 5'5" tall and 130 - 140 pounds, dressed in a simple dress and sandals (street clothes). Nothing sexy or provocative abut her appearance, at all. Not like the photos but if the service is OK, it will be fine.
The service is NOT OK. Enter the room and get hug that has all the appeal of hugging my grandmother. The room, although small, offers some promise. There is variable lighting, a low bed, a table, clothes hooks and such and an attached small bathroom. Bad news is that there is a used towel hanging in the bathroom and signs that this is where someone actually sleeps (maybe LiLi). Together, we do a little housekeeping by removing the used towel, straightening up the clothes hanging on the hooks (I see that there is a bra, maybe hers, hanging there) and I start to undress for a shower. I ask LiLi to join me in the shower and she responds with "Oh no" - I should have left right then. So much for the promise of "HOT B2 B SHOWER"! So I head to the bathroom and LiLi leaves the room for a few minutes while I complete the courtesy shower.
When I get out of the shower, LiLi returns, still fully dressed. [B][red]To collect.[/red][/B] Wants to be prepaid - $$. Tell her "later" but I give in when she persists. Stupid me! She takes the $$ outside the room and returns. Ok. Now what do I do? Another unenthusiastic hug, some attempts at LFK (avoided), some schoolboy groping, nuzzling, anything I can think of to try to wake this dead fish up. Finally give up and just start to undress her. This is not going well at all. I'm having to work entirely too hard to be having a good time! Undressed, she doesn't look bad at all, nice firm body (not thin but solid) with B or C size boobs, large erect nipples that ask to be sucked, firm tummy with a couple of tiny tattoos. Lie on the bed to caress, touch and such and the rules continue. No kissing other that peck on cheek / neck, no DATY, no touching anywhere near her nani. All services were covered and I hate CBJ. Just isn't exciting to me.
After 20 minutes of frustration and no chemistry, I gave up. Sat up and said "that's enough". Took another quick shower, found LiLi back in her street clothes when I emerged, got dried and dressed and headed for the door with her saying "Sorry Baby" - not half as sorry as I was. I've been here for 25 minutes now and I've had 2 self showers, 2 grandmotherly hugs, a couple of pecks on the neck, 30 seconds of dry rubbing of junior, a few "I don't like that", more "NO's" than I can count all for $$ - what a deal!! Anna offered "another young girl available tomorrow night" but I only monger during the day. No offer of money back or anything else so I'm out $$.
Not again.
Moral of the story.
Never pay in advance.
Don't expect that a place will ever get better without change of owners / managers.
NEVER PAY IN ADVANCE.
After and total of 30 minutes, I left Anna standing on the stairway saying "sorry" and went to see Maya at Executive Center.[/QUOTE]17 has been my go to place since they first opened in February of 2016. I found this place because I got a texted from an ex-Empire provider. I have had a lot of great experiences at this place with other Empire providers and providers from LA and NYC, all Chinese providers.
As for paying upfront, like I stated most of these girls come from China via the East and West Coast where it is proper to pay the total fee upfront. Paying house fees upfront then tip at the end is a Hawaii thing and I am guessing they are not acustomed to Hawaii's style of paying.
[QUOTE=YoMama808;3469620]Maya from executive center? What's her contact info and ad? She hot?[/QUOTE]Maya is the owner / Mama at this small operation on the 11th Floor of the Executive Center. In her late 30's to early 40's, I'd guess. 5'5" tall. 130 lbs. Nice man made D's. Shaved nani. Straight brown hair past her shoulders. She doesn't usually provide anymore but only one other girl (Mary) was working that day and was busy with another customer. So Maya says, "I do you. OK?
Maya is a sweetheart and I'll leave it at that. I had a very enjoyable hour with her. Good conversation and lots of attention to me and my desires. Nice hands and a wonderful body. Very accommodating!!
The BackpPage ad for her place follows:
[URL]http://honolulu.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/best-body-relax-best-choice-sweet-pretty-gorgeous/6878934[/URL]
The pictures are NOT real. I met Mary on this visit and those pictures are definitely NOT the girl I talked with. Mary was attractive but not THAT attractive. We all sat and visited for a while after my massage and spent some time getting acquainted. I think that I will be a semi-regular here in the future. I really like Maya and she rotates the girls through the shop every couple of months for variety.
I've had sessions with both Maya and Mary. Maya is very good and I loved her HJ, I told her she needs to teach the girls her technique! Mary actually gives a great massage, she was new when I saw her so she was shy and really didn't want to provide extras but did anyway. I could tell she was trying to get away with just a massage. I've never had FS at this place but I understand it's on the menu. I use to go there once every few months.
[QUOTE=FCH300;3470137]Maya is the owner / Mama at this small operation on the 11th Floor of the Executive Center. In her late 30's to early 40's, I'd guess. 5'5" tall. 130 lbs. Nice man made D's. Shaved nani. Straight brown hair past her shoulders. She doesn't usually provide anymore but only one other girl (Mary) was working that day and was busy with another customer. So Maya says, "I do you. OK?
Maya is a sweetheart and I'll leave it at that. I had a very enjoyable hour with her. Good conversation and lots of attention to me and my desires. Nice hands and a wonderful body. Very accommodating!!
The BackpPage ad for her place follows:
[URL]http://honolulu.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/best-body-relax-best-choice-sweet-pretty-gorgeous/6878934[/URL]
The pictures are NOT real. I met Mary on this visit and those pictures are definitely NOT the girl I talked with. Mary was attractive but not THAT attractive. We all sat and visited for a while after my massage and spent some time getting acquainted. I think that I will be a semi-regular here in the future. I really like Maya and she rotates the girls through the shop every couple of months for variety.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DRmjm;3470320]I've had sessions with both Maya and Mary. Maya is very good and I loved her HJ, I told her she needs to teach the girls her technique! Mary actually gives a great massage, she was new when I saw her so she was shy and really didn't want to provide extras but did anyway. I could tell she was trying to get away with just a massage. I've never had FS at this place but I understand it's on the menu. I use to go there once every few months.[/QUOTE]What does Mary look like? Boob size? Age? And do you try that other girl Angela?
Mary stayed fully clothed when I was with her. She is pretty but not hot. Just a normal Chinese girl you would see anywhere. It was last year so I really don't remember much other than she had a cute face and long black hair (LOL, isn't that all of them). Age, she seemed young to me, but might have been in her 30's. She did give a very good massage. I actually think she might have been trained. I don't know Angela. Sorry, I couldn't be more help.
[QUOTE=YoMama808;3471687]What does Mary look like? Boob size? Age? And do you try that other girl Angela?[/QUOTE]