"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Tc9869;3055356]Seriously though, I hit the bowl about 2. 5 months ago and the advice in this thread has been invaluable. Oddly enough, in all that time, I can't recall someone posting how they handle the following scenario.

I went out of town for a week. During that time, I was chatting up quite a few girls at home. Now I'm home and I literally have too many girls wanting an arrangement. I don't have the time (married) or funds to keep them all. Realistically I can probably only keep one at this time, and I'm choosing the one from last night. She asks for 150/ date and 2 dates a week and was amazing in bed last night. She can host during the day (which I can swing once a week) so I'm not paying for a hotel every single time either, which is a plus.

The problem I'm currently facing is the fact that some of these other girls are also very attractive and seem very sweet. I won't be able to keep them happy if I'm only seeing them every few weeks, and I can't afford to see them more often than that. I understand at this point in time I'll have to release them back into the wild, but what I'm wondering is how can I do this while keeping things kosher so in the future I can try to reach out and reignite?[/QUOTE]You dog! That's a great question because after a slow start I'm about to end up in the same boat. It's interesting being on this side of things.

[QUOTE=Moohk;3054696]Any tips for trying to transition off of SA to other forms of contact? Is better to wait till after m&g? I'd prefer to transition off as quickly as possible, it's highly tedious.[/QUOTE]I always move them to email.

Easy to access via phone, no SA photos for someone to see over your shoulder, no browser history.

If SO finds KIK or snapchat or other app, she will know somethign is up.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3055637]
I just did this. I used my sugar phone # to start that process. Just go to the site and use the 'new' option. I used my SA photo (cut off at the nose) as the profile picture and other info relevant to my SA identity. I have posted elsewhere about the shocking experience to have FB suggest as a friend a girl I chatted with on SA but never met, and I am not even sure if she had given me her phone # - of course, different personal details than she had told me about (a BF, different name, but undoubtedly the same girl).[/QUOTE]Yeah, I tried all of that. I had a fake account for years and all of asudden it got flagged and shutdown. Then I got a new phone, new number, etc. I got a FB profile for about two weeks then FB shut me down. Wanted I'd. AGAIN! So maybe the left some cookie or something on my 'puter that they found. Or had my IP recorded as a place where a fake profile came from? I dunno. Have not tried again. GV numbers do not work in setting up a FB account.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3055637]So, which service specifically do you recommend for the burner? I am thinking of getting a burner that matches exactly my regular phone, with a tiny differentiating mark, so if it is seen it won't be noticed. Hide in plain sight. If I don't do that, if I install a GV client on my phone and use it to text or call a SB, how does that show up on my bill? My bill lists all the calls explicitly, and I share the account with the SO.[/QUOTE]I use MetroPCS for the burner. It runs on the T-Mobile network (like those Germans) So it doesn't have the coverage of others, it does cover all the places I go. But the nice thing is it is only $30 per month. I either go into a T-Mobile store and fork over cash or go buy cards at Wally World and use those each month. T-Mobile cards don't work on the MPCS system however. (saw them in a convenience store once and called MPCS help before I wasted money.) Yeah, it is a bit of a pain, but undetectable. Also, since I travel around town, I never hit the same MPCS store two months in a row, probably never twice in 3 months! So that gives me 1 GB of 4 GLTE data before it rolls over to 3 G, but for monger purposes have never used the full! GB in a month and doubt I'd notice a speed difference anyway.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;3055724]For those you want to put on the back burner just come up with a story that sticks. Something in the lines that your work is sending you out of town on an assignment for a month or so. Also, keep in touch once in a while over text or even tell them something like I'll back in town for few days before I travel again would you like to catch up over couple drinks. That might convert into a car date and may not run you as much as a regular allowance but still keep your SB warm enough for you.[/QUOTE]That's a great idea, but regrettably, my job (which I don't keep a secret) is not one where that would ever happen, and I live in a small enough town I may literally see these girls out randomly. One is actually a hostess at one of the places I take other girls on occasion!

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3055373]If they have a profile up they are already released so don't worry about it. Tell them you found someone and trying it fir a month. If it doesn't work you will contact them later to see if available.[/QUOTE]They still have a profile up because we haven't entered an arrangement yet, so I know I haven't 'caught' them yet officially but the writing is on the wall. Does telling girls you're giving another girl a shot not really turn them off? It's like, I could have had you, but I like this other one more so she's getting first crack?

[QUOTE=Tc9869;3056528]They still have a profile up because we haven't entered an arrangement yet, so I know I haven't 'caught' them yet officially but the writing is on the wall. Does telling girls you're giving another girl a shot not really turn them off? It's like, I could have had you, but I like this other one more so she's getting first crack?[/QUOTE]They have no attachment to you but financial. If they think you are honoring an agreement its no problem, they are still in search mode. Whenever your ready contact them and just tell them it didn't work out and if still interested you would like to m / g. Remember they are here for $$ first so its no problem.

In pursuit of being active in the bowl, you should check your iPhone settings for iCloud and find my iPhone in the settings. I can see my so and kids iPhones from my find my iPhone and they can see my phone! If you sign out of the find my iPhone app, it doesn't stop them from seeing your phone! So, dad you were at the Hilton for a long time today, uh oh client meeting. Ah ah ah. You have to go into settings, iCloud and turn it off. The So says I can t see your phone on my phone anymore. Me. That's interesting I can't see your either- not true. The cover up continues. Also your photos may be syncing with iCloud and it's possible for someone else to access the iCloud and see your photos. Even if you delete on your phone they stay on iCloud for thirty days. Be careful with saving pics and syncing without knowing. I have turned iCloud off on my phone. Good luck fellas.

I jumped in the bowl almost two months ago. I quickly was almost addicted to checking SA and my hidden texting app called sideline. I originally thought these 20 somethings can't be interested in a 45 yo so I targeted a little older for about a week.

I first meet with a 40+ and she wanted little allowance and sex. I meet with two 30 somethings and one was probably not really into being a SB and the other was a pro. I followed up with a rampage of 20 somethings and one 30 something. Probably a dozen meet and greets over coffee. One was for dinner and wine and drinks etc.

After going to the FC 4 times, I have a couple words of wisdom for new bowlers although I'm brand new also.

1. Don't get crazy and offer crazy money. I did on a couple.

2. Plan on how to pay. Hotels, SA fees, dinners, meet and greet, drugstore so there is little trail as possible.

3. Have a story and stick to it. What's your name and then I slipped up at the meet and greet upon introduction. Starbucks ask your name when ordering. What's your job. Where do you live. Do you have kids. Get the story you want to tell whether it's the real story or fiction, just prepare ahead of time because you will forget what you told them the last time.

4. Get your texting app or gv or burner ready so you can lock that shit down as much as possible. Get your fake gmail account.

5. When you go home, clean out your pockets. Shirt pockets are sneaky for receipts. Trash everything room keys before you even get back to your house.

6. Get a second work bag. I keep in my office with a little lock on the zipper with all your getaway stuff for the meet ups.

7. Put that ring where you put it back on before you walk in the house!

Overall I suggest to take your time. This is not a sprint, it's a marathon. Don't fuck up because your so fucking horny. Hey it's easy for me to say because I got more pussy in the last two weeks than I've had in the last three months.

After all this, I see the joy in having a sb but I think once you get some action, the ones I enjoy the most are the ones who are actually interesting to talk to, have dinner with, drink coffee and get to know. It makes the sex better for me.

Back to check my messages! Game on.

I would roughly estimate that 10% of young people (18-30) find sugaring morally acceptable. It's an educated guess. They talk among themselves about it ("Oh, I have an SD. He helps me with my tuition. ") and it's no big deal. I'm not saying that 10% actually are SB, that is much lower. Many of them would fear the moral disapprobation of their parents, their parents' generation (for which much fewer than 10% accept it) and their wider circle of peers. But, if I'm right, this relatively wide acceptance among the young is an amazing generational change and a boon to those who can be an SD. I think this is similar to the wide acceptance of homosexuality, which is no big deal among the young and many of them experiment with it even if they end up not liking it. Probably this openness about sexuality is caused by the internet. Because from the first moment a young person becomes curious about sex they have, in most cases, and infinite amount of free information about the subject, something my generation did not have, as such information was heavily suppressed.

A short update on Mary, my SB. I bought her a PC for her sophomore year, fulfilling an earlier promise. She insisted I have it shipped to her parents house, said they're clueless, so it wouldn't raise a red flag. Well it looks like it did. A few days after it arrived she announced that we should be "just friends" and that her parents were "monitoring her". No repercussions for me in 2 weeks so far. Could be she just got tired of me and made an excuse but the effect is the same, time to move on. We all know these relationships are temporary anyway. But I did like her, and she liked me in a limited way (yes, I know about the money equation). I'll spend a few months recovering financially and then we'll see if I can find a good match who is within my budget.

[QUOTE=Tc9869;3056528]They still have a profile up because we haven't entered an arrangement yet, so I know I haven't 'caught' them yet officially but the writing is on the wall. Does telling girls you're giving another girl a shot not really turn them off? It's like, I could have had you, but I like this other one more so she's getting first crack?[/QUOTE]Woman are wired weird. She most likely won't say it and she may not be conscious of it but I doubt it will turn her or them off likely the opposite. Women are competitive with each other, I'm not sure it will hurt things in most instances.

[QUOTE=Tc9869;3055356]Seriously though, I hit the bowl about 2. 5 months ago and the advice in this thread has been invaluable. Oddly enough, in all that time, I can't recall someone posting how they handle the following scenario.

I went out of town for a week. During that time, I was chatting up quite a few girls at home. Now I'm home and I literally have too many girls wanting an arrangement. I don't have the time (married) or funds to keep them all. Realistically I can probably only keep one at this time, and I'm choosing the one from last night. She asks for 150/ date and 2 dates a week and was amazing in bed last night. She can host during the day (which I can swing once a week) so I'm not paying for a hotel every single time either, which is a plus.

The problem I'm currently facing is the fact that some of these other girls are also very attractive and seem very sweet. I won't be able to keep them happy if I'm only seeing them every few weeks, and I can't afford to see them more often than that. I understand at this point in time I'll have to release them back into the wild, but what I'm wondering is how can I do this while keeping things kosher so in the future I can try to reach out and reignite?[/QUOTE]I can only tell you how I handle this. I use non-sugar related excuses to keep second string girls in the possible lineup. Always have some reason why you can't start with them right now (job related travel, family issues, whatever), but tell them you'd like to meet them in the future.

Nine times out of ten they will see right through this and know that it means you're busy dating others -- why? Because they do the exact same thing when making busy excuses. Most girls (especially SBs) are well-versed in the art of dishonesty and thus they do not expect honesty from their SD.

What they do expect is that you don't say something to piss them off, and bottom line is that women are unpredictable so you can't be sure what will piss them off.

As someone pointed out, women are competitive, so conventional wisdom is that competition against another woman will lead to better behavior, and it does when the competitive vibe is properly executed, but it may not always be easy to execute properly. Invoking a woman's jealousy instinct is best performed after she already is a little emotionally invested with you, and best done in very subtle ways (I. E. Letting her see your eyes wander, sneaking off to answer a mystery text, etc). If you do those things too soon (before she's developed some degree of financial or emotional dependency on you), she does not yet have reason enough to care.

And, women respect tact, so if you come out honestly and direct (like men usually prefer to do) and say "there's another girl I'm interested in", there is a possibility she will interpret that as immaturity on your part or that you're not clever enough to hide it or capable enough to juggle multiples. It doesn't matter that her reasoning is wrong, it won't stop her from using that to justify it in her mind.

One way of looking at it, what would you do if a girl you're interested in says "well there's another SD I prefer to start up with now, but will you be available later if it doesn't work out"? Most of us would just move on to the next one.

At least if you leave it with an excuse that she can't possibly reflect back on herself as something to be taken personally, you can always reconnect with her in the future (assuming she is still available when you want to). I've done this countless times, even reconnecting with girls I intentionally went dark on 2 or 3 years prior. For example "Hey, I was just going through some old e-mails and I realized somehow we lost touch". I think you'd be surprised how many of them are immediately ready to rekindle things. Maybe not so much if they felt you chose another girl over them at one point.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3056500]Yeah, I tried all of that. I had a fake account for years and all of asudden it got flagged and shutdown. Then I got a new phone, new number, etc. I got a FB profile for about two weeks then FB shut me down. Wanted I'd. AGAIN! So maybe the left some cookie or something on my 'puter that they found. Or had my IP recorded as a place where a fake profile came from? I dunno. Have not tried again. GV numbers do not work in setting up a FB account.[/QUOTE]The I'd issue is perennial. I took steps today to fix it. We all (are supposed to) have our sugar / monger story / I'd. Name, rank, serial number, life history. There is no documentation to go with that. I found a reasonable site in a Canadian city on the Pacific coast that provides 'novelty' IDs. I just mailed them my $ and await the results. It will have my sugar name, and I even found a near, but not too near, address at which someone with that name resides. I already use that zip code on my OneVanilla cards. It really makes sense to have this alter ego. If you want more details feel free to PM me. Why haven't we been doing this? Or, if you have counterarguments, please post them. Of course, a fake I'd is evidence just like a burner, so it has to be locked down tight. But if you can't keep this thing hidden you won't last long in the bowl.

Mac version's called Parallels.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3056088]Does this work on OSX? I couldn't find an example.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Assaholic;3057124]Mac version's called Parallels.[/QUOTE]But I don't want to run an OS I don't know. I just want a virtual Mac inside my regular mac.

[blue]VMWare is the best and easiest virtualization software I know about. I know you can use it to run Windows on a mac, I think you can use it to run OSX inside OSX as well

[url]https://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1000131[/url]

You could also try Virtual Box but that's more technical. I don't know if you can run OSX but you could virtualize Linux inside a Mac and that would get you a browser and a machine you can delete at the press of a button.

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