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[QUOTE=Moohk;3049802]SA seems to be a haven for scammers. I've got a lot of hey send me money so I know your real, or pay me to travel to meet you. Crazy. One semi-succesful m&g so far, well see how things go.[/QUOTE]Hopefully the scammers and SBs who want $ for M&G are short lived. We need to stick together to weed them out quick.
[QUOTE=Moohk;3049939]This is a whole different ball game for sure. I'm going to have to hit this forum a bit more. I had a girl talk sugar before even meeting. Upon discussion of past amounts I've given out in a month she seemed offended and another who I did meet but no consumption is asking 3 x would I'd be looking at. I'd rather not get into sugar until a relationship is established.[/QUOTE]Sorry but main reason these girls are here is for financial help. They expect that from the initial FC meeting. Your not getting a test drive to see if there is a relationship pending. They can get all the dick they want from whoever they choose. Your paying for it if you want it and keep in mind it is what it is.
[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3051164]Sorry but main reason these girls are here is for financial help. They expect that from the initial FC meeting. Your not getting a test drive to see if there is a relationship pending. They can get all the dick they want from whoever they choose. Your paying for it if you want it and keep in mind it is what it is.[/QUOTE]That's not what I meant. I understand the game, but any guy here is foolish IMO to play cash first. It's very easy to get a sudden urgent text and jet, etc. However, I don't agree that it's not possible to run the test drive, that however is not my game. I'm not going to over pay market value and not actually connect with someone either. There is a give and take, there is what I'm willing to give initially and what I'm willing to give in time.
Also while there is always some schmuck to be scammed, I know plenty of alternatives that would cost less and be a better time. So the fact that they can get other guys doesn't affect my mindset at all. Paying a thousand allowance or agreeing to that before having any experience just seems silly to me.
I would like to ask you senior members with SOs what the longest lasting relationship is you have had with a baby. Feel free to PM if you prefer. I recall a post from someone that recently suggested a year of the bowl with a SO risks about a 50% chance of discovery. I am hoping to challenge those odds. A month+ in, I am extremely satisfied by my baby. The hottest woman I have ever touched. And I'd like this to continue for as long as she's interested. We are supposed to be exclusive (though, of course, I understand I am supposed to be exclusive with my SO. LOL) and are together once / week. The baby gets the room and everything is all cash from my end. We live an hour apart and meet in a city between. I follow all the safety guidance on this site, + more. How long, do you think, can this go on? Thanks in advance for all of your experience and wisdom, which has gotten me to a very happy place. Surprisingly the SO is quite happy with me and our relationship lately.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3047279]How do you guys address your ongoing babys? I can't come up with the right term. I'm trying to be nice / sweet to her, but she isn't my GF.[/QUOTE]I have sometimes used the term "part-time GF" or in a text referencing our relationship, FWB.
[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;3050170]Haven't posted in several months. I haven't been active in SA or any other dating websites. The Bowl definitely helped my confidence. I've been having lots of success in face-to-face meets. I also kept the roster of SBs that I've been in touch with for over a year for meets on occasion. I tried establishing something ongoing, but 90% of these girls have problems that go beyond a pump and dump.
The LTR SB, turned SO is back in the picture after 6 months with no sugar. I attribute this to emotions getting involved after her move-in. For the guys still following we're still an item. We've been toying with getting a girlfriend that we can both share. Life is good.[/QUOTE]I see this perspective. The rare sex I was having with my SO before getting in the bowl was bland as rice and I wasn't so confident going into the FC w / my baby. Now I know what is possible with a responsive partner, and I would hit a lot more with no worry. It also got my pharmaceutical game perfected.
[QUOTE=Moohk;3049802]SA seems to be a haven for scammers. I've got a lot of hey send me money so I know your real, or pay me to travel to meet you. Crazy. One semi-succesful m&g so far, well see how things go.[/QUOTE]If you have time on your hands, it's fun to play with these girls, or guys sitting behind that screen. Ask them to give you their address and name so you can Western Union, or their bank info so you can wire. Then tell them you just sent them money and ask them to check with bank to see if the money was received. Send them a fake transaction number and tell them to call their bank, etc. I once had a girl gone crazy all day with their bank trying to get money that was never sent. Basically wasted her day and drove her nut.
Yes, I am an evil dude. Lmao.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3051525]I would like to ask you senior members with SOs what the longest lasting relationship is you have had with a baby. Feel free to PM if you prefer. I recall a post from someone that recently suggested a year of the bowl with a SO risks about a 50% chance of discovery. I am hoping to challenge those odds. A month+ in, I am extremely satisfied by my baby. The hottest woman I have ever touched. And I'd like this to continue for as long as she's interested. We are supposed to be exclusive (though, of course, I understand I am supposed to be exclusive with my SO. LOL) and are together once / week. The baby gets the room and everything is all cash from my end. We live an hour apart and meet in a city between. I follow all the safety guidance on this site, + more. How long, do you think, can this go on? Thanks in advance for all of your experience and wisdom, which has gotten me to a very happy place. Surprisingly the SO is quite happy with me and our relationship lately.[/QUOTE]I have a 20 yr old I still fuck since last summer, and a 19 yr that I been fucking every week since earlier this year. All for $ per date and drive to my FC of choice. And they all admitted they are hooked on the D. There are girls out there that enjoy the fucking more than the $. They have jobs, they have cars, but their boyfriends can't make them cum.
I said keep fucking those young and tight pussies as long as you can, because they can disappear any time. As long as you cover your tracks.
[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;3051977]I have sometimes used the term "part-time GF" or in a text referencing our relationship, FWB.[/QUOTE]Thanks, ST, that's very helpful. I found somewhere online a compilation of 'love phrases' or some-such, and 'gorgeous' showed up as especially complimentary to a woman's ears. Not to mention my baby is truly a 10/10, so hell, I'm going with it.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3051525]I would like to ask you senior members with SOs what the longest lasting relationship is you have had with a baby. Feel free to PM if you prefer. I recall a post from someone that recently suggested a year of the bowl with a SO risks about a 50% chance of discovery. I am hoping to challenge those odds. A month+ in, I am extremely satisfied by my baby. The hottest woman I have ever touched. And I'd like this to continue for as long as she's interested. We are supposed to be exclusive (though, of course, I understand I am supposed to be exclusive with my SO. LOL) and are together once / week. The baby gets the room and everything is all cash from my end. We live an hour apart and meet in a city between. I follow all the safety guidance on this site, + more. How long, do you think, can this go on? Thanks in advance for all of your experience and wisdom, which has gotten me to a very happy place. Surprisingly the SO is quite happy with me and our relationship lately.[/QUOTE]To your primary question I will say 2 to 3 months of weekly dates. In my past year in the bowl I have had four examples, each of which I was convinced at the onset they would have evolved into a LTR of at least a year or so, but each time something happened to derail the arrangement (moved in with a BF, etc). 3 of the four reconnected with me after a few months, of which one has now known me for a year. Although I admit your current SB sounds like she is committed to a LTR to me a big key is whether they continue to go on-line with SA. That alone has been the more frustrating (psychologically) aspect of the bowl. I find a SB I really have fun with, visit once or maybe even twice a week and she says she is not seeing (or "sleeping") with any other SDs but continues to go online at SA. This may be more prevalent with my preferred profile of the 18 to 22 single girl; the single moms and the older (26 -32) SBs may be less inclined to "working the bowl. ".
As to the post regarding chance of SO discovery I had thought the post stated a 90% chance which at the time I had posted an agreement with. I got busted by my SO three weeks ago after a year of almost 30 SBs in the FC and prior to that a year and a half with about 35 different girls in the escort scene. I was in the FC typically twice a week with a rotation generally of 3 to 4 girls in the 18 to 24 age range. Both my SO and I work out of our house with separate businesses so I came up with just about every alibi you could think of. The escort scene is lower risk for discovery because you can get a half hour incall over and done with but the sugar bowl lends itself more to 2 to 4 hours with a hotel. Because of the hotel check-in time it can be difficult to get "home for dinner" if your hotel meet is in a town an hour or so away. Logistics can be tough if you are not able to stay overnight away from the SO. I was able to create an alibi staying in a hotel for business reasons one or two nights a week which allowed me to fully enjoy the luxury of a SB's company including overnights and also the occasional threesome date.
But I eventually got clumsy in spite of my carefully orchestrated routine, I left my computer on when I left for a 2 day "business trip" and my SO knew my password. Clumsy. The good news is she only discovered evidence of one recent SB relationship and also after a couple of days of being pissy with me has actually seemed to put it behind us, though a lot her initial anger was bc she found out the SB was 20 (she was actually a teenager for most of the 2 months I was with her). The bad news is my SO immediately called our 27 year old daughter to "share" the discovery and vent to her about my "affair with a 20 year old. " Our daughter lives a half hour away, when I met with her a couple of weeks later to talk about it she was very angry, especially with the age of the SB. My relationship with my daughter will probably never be the same and for the forum brothers with daughters you need to factor that into the downside risk of the bowl. But if you ask me whether it was worth the risk and outcome, I would say yes. And if you ask me whether I will continue to play in the bowl, I would also say yes. But following the advice given to me by Jeez, I will be "putting the bowl (fun) down" for a few months to allow for the SO to (hopefully) lower her antennae just a bit. Unfortunately I don't see me going back to one or two nights a week in a hotel, I just need to create a new M. O.
Thanks for that expansive reply. I do recall your situation. Actually, I posted at the time that my experience with SOs is that if you don't immediately disavow interest in continuing in the bowl, that relationship is history. I wish you a better outcome than that, but it is my realistic assessment. Your setup is more problematic than mine. I work not just out of the house but 30+ miles from home, meaning a killer Cali commute and common late arrivals at home. Helpful. I have also gotten cooperation from my baby who sometimes gets a room the night before and then we meet in the morning until checkout time.
On keeping the SO in the dark. Some people say 'my SO doesn't have access to this site or account' or whatever. I found that may not be enough. If suspicion arises, she may demand access to those sites to prove that nothing is going on. If you are unwilling to provide it, that is taken as evidence of impropriety. This happened in an earlier relationship with cell phone records from my business. Stonewalling was uncomfortable but my only course of action. This is why I *never* rely on what she can or can't access. I prefer to assure that if she does access it, by accident or request, there is nothing to be found. It is amazing all of the things that might be useful to indicate you weren't someplace and were some other place. Electronic tolls, for example. My biggest fear is something that places me in an odd city for no good reason, like a traffic ticket or accident or car breakdown.
I haven't myself gone onto SA to check if my SB is still using it. I believe that her close GF and she are 'sharing' a profile (the photo is very alluring and actually my baby, but reveals nothing unique) and it therefore might not be so informative to do so. I also don't want to be seen by her on there. Sort of a funny dance to be doing.
[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;3052055]To your primary question I will say 2 to 3 months of weekly dates. In my past year in the bowl I have had four examples, each of which I was convinced at the onset they would have evolved into a LTR of at least a year or so, but each time something happened to derail the arrangement (moved in with a BF, etc). 3 of the four reconnected with me after a few months, of which one has now known me for a year. Although I admit your current SB sounds like she is committed to a LTR to me a big key is whether they continue to go on-line with SA. That alone has been the more frustrating (psychologically) aspect of the bowl. I find a SB I really have fun with, visit once or maybe even twice a week and she says she is not seeing (or "sleeping") with any other SDs but continues to go online at SA. This may be more prevalent with my preferred profile of the 18 to 22 single girl; the single moms and the older (26 -32) SBs may be less inclined to "working the bowl. ".
As to the post regarding chance of SO discovery I had thought the post stated a 90% chance which at the time I had posted an agreement with. I got busted by my SO three weeks ago after a year of almost 30 SBs in the FC and prior to that a year and a half with about 35 different girls in the escort scene. I was in the FC typically twice a week with a rotation generally of 3 to 4 girls in the 18 to 24 age range. Both my SO and I work out of our house with separate businesses so I came up with just about every alibi you could think of. The escort scene is lower risk for discovery because you can get a half hour incall over and done with but the sugar bowl lends itself more to 2 to 4 hours with a hotel. Because of the hotel check-in time it can be difficult to get "home for dinner" if your hotel meet is in a town an hour or so away. Logistics can be tough if you are not able to stay overnight away from the SO. I was able to create an alibi staying in a hotel for business reasons one or two nights a week which allowed me to fully enjoy the luxury of a SB's company including overnights and also the occasional threesome date.
But I eventually got clumsy in spite of my carefully orchestrated routine, I left my computer on when I left for a 2 day "business trip" and my SO knew my password. Clumsy. The good news is she only discovered evidence of one recent SB relationship and also after a couple of days of being pissy with me has actually seemed to put it behind us, though a lot her initial anger was bc she found out the SB was 20 (she was actually a teenager for most of the 2 months I was with her). The bad news is my SO immediately called our 27 year old daughter to "share" the discovery and vent to her about my "affair with a 20 year old. " Our daughter lives a half hour away, when I met with her a couple of weeks later to talk about it she was very angry, especially with the age of the SB. My relationship with my daughter will probably never be the same and for the forum brothers with daughters you need to factor that into the downside risk of the bowl. But if you ask me whether it was worth the risk and outcome, I would say yes. And if you ask me whether I will continue to play in the bowl, I would also say yes. But following the advice given to me by Jeez, I will be "putting the bowl (fun) down" for a few months to allow for the SO to (hopefully) lower her antennae just a bit. Unfortunately I don't see me going back to one or two nights a week in a hotel, I just need to create a new M. O.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3051525]I would like to ask you senior members with SOs what the longest lasting relationship is you have had with a baby.[/QUOTE]I have been with my current SB for 2 years this month. On our first date she had a boyfriend and told me she could never be exclusive to a married man. 3 weeks later she broke up with the boyfriend and has been exclusive to me ever since. My bowl brother calls her my second wife, and that's not far from the truth. She is definitely the marrying type and one hell of a catch. She's under no illusions about our future together, she knows I'm not leaving the wife. But we are great together and we are going to enjoy it as long as it lasts. Our relationship is very stable. She's in no hurry, she doesn't want to get married until she's closer to 30. For now she gets a once a week overnight with a great guy who treats her extremely well, gives her plenty of attention and meets her physical needs far better than any of the boys she had been with before we met. For my part I have a gorgeous 23 year old co-ed who acts like I hang the moon, gives me constant attention every day and enthusiastically gives me the best sex of my life every time I see her. The sugar is minimal. I just help out with a few things every once in a while. She's happy. I'm happy. Life is good!
I know this has come up before, but having my SB in my life has made me a better husband. I used to walk around the house frustrated as hell and pissed off at the wife for denying me affection and intimacy. Now I am much more pleasant LOL.
As for precautions, I use Google Voice for all texting and calls. I use a separate snapchat login to send snaps to her. I haven't changed any of my patterns at home, which is the real key to success. I have been gone overnight with my work about once a week for the past 10 years. That pattern has served me very, very well in the bowl.
Prior to this relationship, my previous SB and I were together 13 months. I never had any issues with that one at home either. Long term relationships in the bowl are definitely possible. Just be careful, remain vigilant and never let your guard down.
[QUOTE=JoyDrop;3052532]I have been with my current SB for 2 years this month. On our first date she had a boyfriend and told me she could never be exclusive to a married man. 3 weeks later she broke up with the boyfriend and has been exclusive to me ever since. My bowl brother calls her my second wife, and that's not far from the truth. She is definitely the marrying type and one hell of a catch. She's under no illusions about our future together, she knows I'm not leaving the wife. But we are great together and we are going to enjoy it as long as it lasts. Our relationship is very stable. She's in no hurry, she doesn't want to get married until she's closer to 30. For now she gets a once a week overnight with a great guy who treats her extremely well, gives her plenty of attention and meets her physical needs far better than any of the boys she had been with before we met. For my part I have a gorgeous 23 year old co-ed who acts like I hang the moon, gives me constant attention every day and enthusiastically gives me the best sex of my life every time I see her. The sugar is minimal. I just help out with a few things every once in a while. She's happy. I'm happy. Life is good!
I know this has come up before, but having my SB in my life has made me a better husband. I used to walk around the house frustrated as hell and pissed off at the wife for denying me affection and intimacy. Now I am much more pleasant LOL.
As for precautions, I use Google Voice for all texting and calls. I use a separate snapchat login to send snaps to her. I haven't changed any of my patterns at home, which is the real key to success. I have been gone overnight with my work about once a week for the past 10 years. That pattern has served me very, very well in the bowl.
Prior to this relationship, my previous SB and I were together 13 months. I never had any issues with that one at home either. Long term relationships in the bowl are definitely possible. Just be careful, remain vigilant and never let your guard down.[/QUOTE]Is there a master post / source that tells all about GV in this context? I asked John G Smith, who did one in 2013, to update. You think that's better than a burner? Also, are you open about your I'd with your baby after all this time? Seems like you would. How did that happen? When you say remain vigilant, what does that entail? I agree that not doing anything outside normal patterns is key to not arousing the SO. I am establishing new patterns of, for example, going to my gym at times I can then exploit to be with my baby and then stop for a shower before heading home.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3052664]Is there a master post / source that tells all about GV in this context? I asked John G Smith, who did one in 2013, to update. You think that's better than a burner? Also, are you open about your I'd with your baby after all this time? Seems like you would. How did that happen? When you say remain vigilant, what does that entail? I agree that not doing anything outside normal patterns is key to not arousing the SO. I am establishing new patterns of, for example, going to my gym at times I can then exploit to be with my baby and then stop for a shower before heading home.[/QUOTE]I can't recommend Google Voice highly enough. As others in the thread have mentioned, getting caught with a burner phone is a sign that you're guilty of something, even if your SO doesn't know exactly what. With GV, you can set it to forward calls to your main line using your GV number on the caller I'd, so you don't have to worry about strange numbers coming up. You can forward texts as well, although I don't recommend it. The nice thing is you can use the phone app to 'go silent' and turn off all activity on your GV number. So if you know you're going to be with the SO for a while, you can have your phone around without worrying about what calls or texts might pop up. For my part I keep the badge icon off, so even if my phone buzzes with a new text, it's not obvious to anyone which app is responsible for the notification (although I know, of course). On iOS there is an unofficial app called GV Connect that provides PIN and / or Touch I'd protection, so that is an extra layer of security that would prevent the SO from opening the app and viewing my texts if she ever went through my phone. The problem with GV Connect is that the notifications don't work well, so I tend to leave the official app on to get real time notifications of new messages, but use GV Connect for messaging. The best thing you can do is just setup an account, download the app and start using it. It's very simple to learn how everything works by just experimenting with the options in the app and also in the web interface.
As for staying vigilant, I'm referring to what the guys in the military refer to as OpSec (operational security). Always take precautions (even when you think you don't need to), always be situationally aware of what's going on with the SO and what she's tuned into at any given time, always look over your shoulder, always have an excuse or alibi ready to go if you're not where you're supposed to be. Your SO can be placated by a plausible but unlikely alibi if it's delivered naturally and confidently like you have nothing to hide. Just this week I had some very noticeable scratches on my back from where my SB got a little carried away. I was careful to keep them covered at home until they healed, but had an explanation at the ready just in case. The riskiest thing I do is spend the night sometimes as hour or so away from where I'm "supposed" to be, so it would be problematic if I had a wreck or anything like that happen. So I just try to stay off the road and spend as much time shacked up in the hotel with my SB as I can.
Something I've done a couple of times by accident is leave a browser window open on my computer. I'll minimize a window with SA or my SD gmail account and forgot about it after getting busy with work. I returned home once to find that my wife had been on my computer, but fortunately hadn't noticed the minimized window. That was the closest call I've had. What I do now is very simple and effective: I switch over to Chrome as my browser when I need discretion and use the incognito tab feature. I have installed a GREAT extension called iCloser. It will automatically close incognito tabs after a defined period of inactivity. That has probably saved my a $$ several times since then.
The other thing I'd encourage you to do is to setup a Google account for all of your SD activity. Use gmail for emails, use GV for calls & texts, use Google Drive to save all of the pics your girl sends you. That way you keep nothing on your computer, there's nothing for your SO to find after you've closed your private browsing window.
If you want to keep photos on your phone, there is an outstanding app for iOS called Picture Safe by collect3. It lets you keep your private photos protected by a PIN. The killer feature is that is lets you use a *second* PIN that opens a separate collection of photos, so if the wife ever snooped my phone and asked me what I was hiding, I can pop in the second pin and show her a small collection of photos of HER. Very, very nice.
Finally, you asked about whether my SB knows my real identity. I have been extremely careful to not to expose my name to the girls I've seen in the past. Even the girl that I saw for 13 months never knew my real name (she thinks she does, of course). But my current SB is very smart, very mature and very stable. She is as dependable and trustworthy as they come. I trust her, so I decided I would tell her after we had been seeing each other for a year. Keep in mind that's a year's worth of overnights and constant contact every day, so it's fair to say that we knew each other well and were close. It wasn't a decision I made lightly. But quite frankly, I was tired of having to make sure I got up first every morning to get the folio statement the hotel slides under your door in the morning, etc. It was always a pain when she wanted to use the hotel wifi and she couldn't get my sugar name to work when she tried to login. Stupid stuff like that. As it turned out, I didn't have the chance to tell her myself. One night I was staying at a Hampton Inn and was in the shower when she arrived, so when she didn't get a text back with my room number in a timely manner, she went to the front desk and asked an employee. She knew my real first name of course, but my sugar last name is very similar to my real last name. Close enough evidently that the hotel employee said "well I don't see a Jim Booker, but there's a Jim Baker in room 212" . You get the idea. So my cover was blown. She gave me a little good natured grief about it but was otherwise very nonchalant. She understood I had good cause to be discrete and wasn't offended at all. I just asked her not to tell any of her friends that knew about me my real name, which she readily agreed to do. That was almost a year ago and has never been an issue since.
That brings up another good point I should make about operational security. I have my real Facebook profile locked down so you can only see my name and profile picture if you're not a friend. I have done the same with my wife's profile. Occasionally she'll post pics from her phone that she tags me in and leaves them visible to the public, so I periodically go in and use the Facebook tool that lets you view pages as the public sees them to verify that there aren't any leaks. I also have a fake Facebook profile under my sugar name that is locked down as well. That way anyone looking for my sugar identity will "find" me and stop looking.
One final point about Facebook that a lot of SD's don't seem to be aware of. If you constantly check another user's profile, Facebook will eventually suggest you to that other person as a friend they may know. Put another way, BROWSING OTHER PROFILES IS NOT ANONYMOUS. Think about that for a second. If you are logged in under your real profile and you constantly check your SB's profile, she will get a friend suggestion with your real name on it. I have verified this first hand. So the best thing you can do is use either your sugar profile to keep up with your SB, or even better, use a 3rd profile for research purposes. My 3rd profile is actually setup as a girl, that way it doesn't arouse any suspicion when I check the same profiles over and over again.
I think that's about it. Hopefully some of this helps. Let me know if you have any questions!
JD.
I blocked this one kept sending messages and asking for money without a visit.
Got too many to count these days, swear went through almost 10 in 6 months, yes I know I am a serial dater.
But I haven't had anyone over 25 so far, newly texting a 40+ yr old lately seems to be dragging on the meet.
Had 22 yr old college drop out so damn sexy, did FC twice but she is hooked on something, had to block her. Still has the contact info, planning on using her in the future occasionally.
Now I still see some of my regular once once in a while for nostalgic reasons and to keep them as reserves. Always in search of younger and newer, get bored of the same one easily. Sorry.
I have tons of leads in NOVA, there is a list going around if you contribute you get a copy, some of you should participate.
Guess whose back, my ATF will be seeing her today, Scarlett!!
[QUOTE=JustLonely;3050583]I haven't met this one but did message her when she was first online and had the standard SB pitch. Now she puts it out there. No need to dance around with her desires.
[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/23140c4a-cb3d-3bb4-e8ef-751c00d0128d[/URL][/QUOTE]