Strong words on the forum here bud
[QUOTE=RedTalon;5607959] I have this sneaking suspicion Mr. Rozay is a punk kid, I can't fathom how any adult would be that fucking stupid.[/QUOTE]Judging by your very uneducated response, it seems as if you haven't even read the account of what happened. You've just gleaned some information here and there and making absolutely outlandish assumptions that couldn't be further from the truth so I'll go ahead and clear the air for you. Read the post again and you'll see that I was there to see ronnie, NOT Desi. I had established a rapport with her where I would front her room money and she would pay me back right after she did a date. She left to do a car date and came back with my money. By this time, the room had filled with people that I did not know. I just wanted to get my money back and get tf out of there. Got the cash and as I was walking out the door while my back was turned, 3 men inside the room grabbed me, pulled me back in and started jumping me. It's pretty easy to see a gun on a man in that situation. I'm lucky I made it out alive. The place was off of Dunn Ave. But to say I'm likely some "punk kid" is honestly cute to say the least. Anyone can be had at these rinky dink motels providers typically choose to reside in. If you think you're immune, go right ahead and stay oblivious to the potential dangers of these situations. But please. Please. Stop making ridiculous assumptions and comments here. It only further lends itself to NeckAuthority's assertion that you sound "butthurt". Thanks.
-ArchyRozay.
Yep it's a desert out here, cant even get UTRs
[QUOTE=Powerhouse100;5613973]When a man is right, he's right! I've definitely had my fill![/QUOTE]I use to have one for each finger I had. Now all either left up north or 6 ft under. Man all the possible ones acting like hoes. I keep saying this, but their must be a forum for these hoes. Ain't no way coincidently these hoes started charging 80-100 for a qv at almost the same time. Also on dating apps regular gals are speaking the lingo (qv, Rose's all that), and usually I stop communicating after that. Don't do that time shid outside the usual game. Flat fee for whatever.
Think it's this Red Pill shid. There's to many sex addicted Simps gat would pound drywall if there was a hole. 3-5 years ago and before was so much fun. SW was sexy and not cracked out. I was raw dogging one at her place for years. Always clean and hygienic sexy with big hooters. I told a story before, when my ac was broke, the doe put me in her ride,(newer year than mine) did the deed. I left my main phone, and she was chill about returning it.
Man those days is over. Alot of sissy boys and.
Skinny / fat-o-lards things walking. The milfs in sin city was a blessing. Lawd have mercy just nothing in Jax anymore.
Fuck it a rant.
WTF is with society period now a days LOL. Why the hell these unattractive, baby damage looking like spoiled milk / melted cheese, morbidly obese bimbos think they are hot shid. I like bbw, but damn just because your big as all out doors, does not make you a bbw. Beautiful play a part somewhere. Like damn. Then can't really get credible reviews here. Last one I took which screwed me over was that gal off Atlantic. Had to buy fungus spray bc my juevos was itching for a week and some. Plus the BJ was mediocre. Makes me want to just hang up the jacket, but I stay looking for the Unicorns LOL.
Sounds Like A Bubbles Selfie
[QUOTE=DirtyGrndpa;5692976]So I've been lurking and using the info off this board for several years. Finally decided to register and post. We all know who Bubbles is. Yeah I know, but I honestly don't find her that appalling. She sucks cock like a champ, and she will take a a good fucking. One time I was in mish digging deep and pulling just out to stick back in. She, after a minute she says, "you know you are in my ass" LOL! Yeah baby! So in short. She's a great time. A cool chick. And I definitely will repeat because again, she's a cool chick. Never had any issues with hygiene. I've even had her over to the casa.
[URL]https://jacksonville.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/come-check-me-out-at-my-new-pl/531359362976[/URL][/QUOTE]Santa will give a lump of coal to Bubles' pimp for that selfie!
Unbelievable and clearly selfie.
Lump of Coal Award to Bubbles.
You're as wrong as two boys fucking!
[QUOTE=LowBaller;5694385]Santa will give a lump of coal to Bubles' pimp for that selfie!
Unbelievable and clearly selfie.
Lump of Coal Award to Bubbles.[/QUOTE]I assure you brother I'm not a damn provider, much less Bubbles. So let me get this right. I post an option you don't agree with, so you in turn assume the worse. You try to call me out as a fraud? Really not worth my time taking this to the woodshed. Typical millennial douche bag. Only your opinion matters. Right?
I Posted My Opinion Re Bubbles
[QUOTE=DirtyGrndpa;5697361]I assure you brother I'm not a damn provider, much less Bubbles. So let me get this right. I post an option you don't agree with, so you in turn assume the worse. You try to call me out as a fraud? Really not worth my time taking this to the woodshed. Typical millennial douche bag. Only your opinion matters. Right?[/QUOTE]My opinion is that a selfie was done. The addition of stuff about taking her to one's casa part and praise with no details of Bubbles, when mongers here already know she looks like just smacks of selfie or more probable bubbles' pimp trying to drum up business. But, of course, I could be mistaken, this is only my opinion.
Mongers, you only need to do a search on Bubbles to see what a beauty she is, and then wonder why any of us would see her two times with gushing praise, and then say we were so excited by her we took her to our home for a third time.
Weird, no?
If she has a side, then what is it?
[QUOTE=BigEnk61;5779107]I've been a regular for the last couple of months (eight meets) and never have had an issue with cashapp donations with Karmen. Karmen has always treated me fair and honest. There's always two sides to a story and I happen to know hers so that being said I felt compelled to respond to this review. It's the girls livelihood so I think its only fair.[/QUOTE]We all heard the monger's side. Sounded like she took him to the financial cleaners and he got no service from her for giving her his hard earned money. You are partial to her - 8 meets in a couple of months (that's weekly for months) and you said she has a side and you happen to know it. You also say it is her livelihood, so you want to be fair. Ok, to be really fair, what is her side of the story? Are you saying she did not take his cash via an app without proving him services, because it do not sound like you are saying that at all?
I Got The Other Side. Karmen Was In The Right
[QUOTE=LowBaller;5779288]We all heard the monger's side. Sounded like she took him to the financial cleaners and he got no service from her for giving her his hard earned money. You are partial to her - 8 meets in a couple of months (that's weekly for months) and you said she has a side and you happen to know it. You also say it is her livelihood, so you want to be fair. Ok, to be really fair, what is her side of the story? Are you saying she did not take his cash via an app without proving him services, because it do not sound like you are saying that at all?[/QUOTE]I support what I hear from mongers, but I am also open to hearing from providers. I was Wrong re Karmen, the other side of everything has me believing she was right. Thanks fellow monger for updating me!
You Want Lower Prices? You Want Better Services? Stop Overpaying!
[QUOTE=Powerhouse100;5792847]These girls have finally figured it out. If fools are going to pay any and everything moving a $100 minimum for a qv and if they see at least 2 clients a day, that's $200 per day for only 30 minutes of work. Why would anyone want to see dozens of strange dicks when you can make money like this. It's a no-brainer for them; especially for low skilled workers. Those who say it's my money and I pay what I want also contributes to the problem. Once a provider makes her 200, as stated above, which means only seeing 2 clients that day, they are out of the rotation until perhaps the next day. Of course, if we stick to a reasonable donation of 60 for qv, it'll force them to see more clients per day; there is already a supply and demand problem. More clients and very little providers. I don't see this happening with the desperate. To begin with, many of these girls don't even like sex and it is their mission to work less, yet, get more of our dollars. They can be very lazy, in other words. At any rate, the hobby, as we knew it, is destroyed! Might as well find a new hobby with less frustration, I suppose. Also, keep in mind, these girls can get more than 100 texts / calls per day. The odds are stacked against those who want some strange! LOL.[/QUOTE]I agree wise Powerhouse – too many guys are paying whatever the providers ask. Not only on STG but on all media such as Tryst – guys seem to think they have to pay the asking price.
Fellow mongers please stop agreeing to these high asking donations. Understand as Powerhouse pointed out, when you overpay it causes consequences like decrease in the providers' services, lack of response to texts, poor services, etc. , and that all leads to you overpaying even more and more consequences!
Negotiate. Negotiate. Negotiate.
If you cannot negotiate, then at least offer the provider 10 coins less and say that is all you have. Remember, providers need your coins, they pay the room by the day and have food and candy needs, so they need your coins. Why have so many providers quit posting? If they say no too often, then they become homeless and you will find them walking along Phillips, etc. These providers cannot last by saying no if you offer them fewer coins. Whatever she ask for qv or hh – offer her 10 or 20 coins less.
Stop Feeding the Trolls, GibbyHaynes and his other worthless handles
Guys. When you see someone like GibbyHaynes with little to no posts, and none of them make sense or have any value, realize it's the same loser that went by MyTinyDick, DirtyDianesWig, DirtyDiane, YourLying, YourLying2, and now GibbyHaynes. He had a few others and they all keep getting banned. Just ignore that loser, as nothing they ever say has any value at all, and he's just trying to get you to respond. He's an absolute waste of everything! Ignore those types!
Soft under belly interviews
Just curious due to the choice of hobbyists here, anyone watch the interviews from the soft under belly?
Please leave the negotiations to the low quality girls
[QUOTE=LowBaller;5793382]I agree wise Powerhouse too many guys are paying whatever the providers ask. Not only on STG but on all media such as Tryst guys seem to think they have to pay the asking price.
Fellow mongers please stop agreeing to these high asking donations. Understand as Powerhouse pointed out, when you overpay it causes consequences like decrease in the providers' services, lack of response to texts, poor services, etc. , and that all leads to you overpaying even more and more consequences!
Negotiate. Negotiate. Negotiate.
If you cannot negotiate, then at least offer the provider 10 coins less and say that is all you have. Remember, providers need your coins, they pay the room by the day and have food and candy needs, so they need your coins. Why have so many providers quit posting? If they say no too often, then they become homeless and you will find them walking along Phillips, etc. These providers cannot last by saying no if you offer them fewer coins. Whatever she ask for qv or hh offer her 10 or 20 coins less.[/QUOTE]I agree with LB on negotiating with the low quality girls (99.9% of STG girls). But please stop doing it to the good looking young girls that start here or come through here. If you don't think someone is worth their price move on and quit fucking it up for the rest of us that do not want to fuck girls for or worth two Jacksons. If you don't believe a Lexus is better than a Toyota then stay with the Toyota, get a used beat up one and negotiate away. But stop trying to talk the Lexus down to used Toyota prices. Whether you think so or not, this is a large reason prices are going UP. Quality girls are constantly driven out of our area by douce bags that treat Beyonce's like Lizzo's, or Scarlette Johansson like Tess Holiday. Because there is no competing quality girls to set the market a swan can charge 80-100 QV because there are an abundance of horny dudes and not an equal amount of providers. Negotiating low prices does not set the market, supply and demand does. The supply here is very low and the demand is outragoues. There is a reason you don't find a Ferrari dealership in Green Cove Springs. And its not because there aren't enough Ferrari's. There are literally thousands of mongers in the city and surrounding area and only about 2-3 dozen regular providers. Guys, especially mongers, will eventually low their standards to what ever is available. Thats just reality, and a quick view of this board will confrim that real quick. If we had even 6-10 good looking clean providers (lets call these the Lexus') then the Toyota's would loose a lot of appeal for many of us. Of course there are plenty of mongers that just want a nut and don't care where it comes from, what the girl looks like, or even if she has an obvious cold sore on her lip while she gives a BBBJ. But I don't believe most of us are that person. If so this board wouldn't likely exist, and surely wouldn't be as popular. This isn't usadiscountpussy. Nl, though it could be a good start up venture for someone, and then we can get a board where they go there for the cheap crap and we can establish something better here.
Low Balling Misunderstood. It Is Not Toyota v Ferrari It Is About Not Overpaying
[QUOTE=JustinCider904;5801126]I agree with LB on negotiating with the low quality girls (99.9% of STG girls). But please stop doing it to the good looking young girls that start here or come through here. If you don't think someone is worth their price move on and quit fucking it up for the rest of us that do not want to fuck girls for or worth two Jacksons. If you don't believe a Lexus is better than a Toyota then stay with the Toyota, get a used beat up one and negotiate away. But stop trying to talk the Lexus down to used Toyota prices. Whether you think so or not, this is a large reason prices are going UP. Quality girls are constantly driven out of our area by douce bags that treat Beyonce's like Lizzo's, or Scarlette Johansson like Tess Holiday. Because there is no competing quality girls to set the market a swan can charge 80-100 QV because there are an abundance of horny dudes and not an equal amount of providers. Negotiating low prices does not set the market, supply and demand does. The supply here is very low and the demand is outragoues. There is a reason you don't find a Ferrari dealership in Green Cove Springs. And its not because there aren't enough Ferrari's. There are literally thousands of mongers in the city and surrounding area and only about 2-3 dozen regular providers..[/QUOTE]Understand, but the logic has a major error. Low Balling is Not comparable to buying a Toyota vs a Ferrari, instead low balling is about Not Over Paying for either that Ferrari or Toyota!
What do I mean? Some people over pay big time when buying a car, while others know how to negotiate and get the exact same car for much less. If I am buying a Ferrari or a Toyota, then I will Not pay sticker and additional dealer profit fees and dealer add-ons (like pin striping, ha ha), nope I will negotiate for a much lower price. Some guys are afraid to negotiate, or think it is wrong and end up paying above sticker plus add-on feeds and additional dealer profit fees for the exact same car I bought for much less. That is exactly what I am talking about when I say as a general rule, always offer a provider at least. 10 or. 20 less than her original asking price. Why? Because, mongers like me will negotiate with providers from their asking price, and we will Pay Much Less than the mongers who refuse to negotiate will pay for the exact same fun with the exact Same provider.
So if one feels good paying much more than I pay for the exact same CFS with the exact same provider that is fine, whatever makes one happy is cool.
As for harming the provider market, negotiating, I. E. Offering less than a provider's asking price is not causing any negative effect. A provider and say no, and other mongers can then pay her full asking price. My offering her less will not ever make her quit the business. As for top quality providers, that is too subjective. Many providers I think are hags, others find attractive. Some providers I review as great, other review as avoid. Who know what is really a super hot provider, I know that many asking high prices are not, so I cannot use that as a measuring stick. But, assume there is a super babe provider and I offer her. 3 less than her asking price; I do not believe that will make her quit the business. If she is so hot, some other monger will pay her asking price. In a free market economy, negotiating for a fair price is crucial. So mongers, unless one gets his jollies by over-paying, we must keep offering less than those insane high asking prices given by providers.
Never said Toyota vs Ferrari
[QUOTE=LowBaller;5801342]Understand, but the logic has a major error. Low Balling is Not comparable to buying a Toyota vs a Ferrari, instead low balling is about Not Over Paying for either that Ferrari or Toyota!
As for harming the provider market, negotiating, I. E. Offering less than a provider's asking price is not causing any negative effect. A provider and say no, and other mongers can then pay her full asking price. My offering her less will not ever make her quit the business. As for top quality providers, that is too subjective. Many providers I think are hags, others find attractive. Some providers I review as great, other review as avoid. Who know what is really a super hot provider, I know that many asking high prices are not, so I cannot use that as a measuring stick. But, assume there is a super babe provider and I offer her. 3 less than her asking price; I do not believe that will make her quit the business. If she is so hot, some other monger will pay her asking price. In a free market economy, negotiating for a fair price is crucial. So mongers, unless one gets his jollies by over-paying, we must keep offering less than those insane high asking prices given by providers.[/QUOTE]The fact that you focused on Toyota vs Ferrari shows that you missed my point entirely, or just disregarded it and focused on two extremes to prove your point. I comparded Toyota to a Lexus, and did so purposely because I have met many people that do not see a difference between the two that justify the price difference. If you are one of these people, then you will never understand; or at least not until you are in a position where the price is no longer the hangup on whether it could be considered. I completely agree that a single person offering a low price, or negotiating will not put someone out of business; I think we can all agree on this. However; getting flooded with these offers will make them move on. This is what I am advocating against. If you put a Lexus dealership in a market where the sales people are all tied up with offers at Toyota prices they are going to pack up business and go somewhere else their product is appreciated. This is what is happening in our market. We live in a free market economy (which really is irrelevant here since this is not a legal transaction and lives by its own set of rules, or absent from them but I digress), and no one can stop you from doing what ever you wish. But my point is your (and others with this mindset) are forcing the Lexus' to pack up and go where they are appreciated and can make a living without dealing with being undervalued. It is true that there are times that you can negotiate someone down to a ridiculous rate or even down a couple of Hamiltons, and you feel very accomplished after this fact. That's great, though it is probably not a great quality to be proud of getting joy from making someone else feel less than (warranted or not). If saving a Hamilton or a Jackson will really make or break your decision or expereince then stick with the Harleys, and Bubbly Blondes, and swans, and stop chasing the Mid-Tier+ girls out of town for your own selfish reasons. Your tactics are not forcing prices down, they are forcing providers out and leaving the market with only dollar store material. Leaving only low quality over priced providers.
Forget Cars. It Is About Being Able To Negotiate. Providers Will Accept Less
[QUOTE=JustinCider904;5802959]The fact that you focused on Toyota vs Ferrari shows that you missed my point entirely, or just disregarded it and focused on two extremes to prove your point. I comparded Toyota to a Lexus, and did so purposely because I have met many people that do not see a difference between the two that justify the price difference. If you are one of these people, then you will never understand; or at least not until you are in a position where the price is no longer the hangup on whether it could be considered. I completely agree that a single person offering a low price, or negotiating will not put someone out of business; I think we can all agree on this. However; getting flooded with these offers will make them move on. This is what I am advocating against. If you put a Lexus dealership in a market where the sales people are all tied up with offers at Toyota prices they are going to pack up business and go somewhere else their product is appreciated. This is what is happening in our market.[/QUOTE]Providers are offering us mongers a service. Hence, comparing buying 30 minutes of FS fun from a hottie with buying a Lexus is mentally incorrect and just plain wrong. Services simply are not things and cannot really be logically compared with things like cars! Further, whether a monger likes to buy expensive cars, or cheap cars has nothing to do with a monger's desire for providers or for the coins he is willing to pay, and to compare those is a logic error and false.
Some argue that high quality provers will move away if mongers offer to pay the providers less than their asking price. As proof they point to the lack of quality in Jax right now. But, there is no reason a provider would move out of town because some mongers offered her less. In fact, currently many mongers are paying the full asking price, so I can use the same proof and say that the not negotiating has made the current lack of quality in providers. What is the reason for the current lack of quality? I do not really know; I have no answer. Perhaps it just runs in wave cycles.
Finally, offering a provider less does not mean I am suggesting to picking a swan for a car date while some big spending dude picks a young hottie at a fancy hotel. I say compare the same provider, at the same hotel and for the same service, but at different prices! That is, if Provider Hottie asks 200 for qv FS and a monger pays 200 without offering her less, then fine. But, for comparison, I contact the same Provider Hottie and I offer her 150 for the qv FS, which she accepts. I had lots of fun with the her, the only difference was that I paid 150 and the other monger paid 200! Perhaps some mongers get their jollies over paying, but I prefer to pay a fair rate that both the provider and I agree upon. No, it has nothing to do with what I can afford, the issue is simply to offer the provider less for the same thing other dues over pay for.
Negotiate! Negotiate! If a provider refuses your offer, then you decide if you want to pay her full price or try some one else. The choice is up to you, just as the choice is up to the provider to accept your offer or to see no one. With the quality and quantity so low right now, too many mongers just pay the full asking rate and as a result the providers have shot their asking rates to insane levels. Mongers – we all need to negotiate, for example, offer. 10 or. 20 less is all you have to do in order to enjoy the same provider for the same service at the same hotel that some mongers pay insanely high prices for. Besides, I believe providers do not respect guys who have no balls and are afraid to offer them less. So, mongers start lowering providers' prices now by offering them less. It will improve quality and services for us all.
You clearly don't get it, and that is unfortunate for the majority of us
[QUOTE=LowBaller;5803851]Providers are offering us mongers a service. Hence, comparing buying 30 minutes of FS fun from a hottie with buying a Lexus is mentally incorrect and just plain wrong. Services simply are not things and cannot really be logically compared with things like cars! Further, whether a monger likes to buy expensive cars, or cheap cars has nothing to do with a monger's desire for providers or for the coins he is willing to pay, and to compare those is a logic error and false.
Some argue that high quality provers will move away if mongers offer to pay the providers less than their asking price. As proof they point to the lack of quality in Jax right now. But, there is no reason a provider would move out of town because some mongers offered her less. In fact, currently many mongers are paying the full asking price, so I can use the same proof and say that the not negotiating has made the current lack of quality in providers. What is the reason for the current lack of quality? I do not really know; I have no answer. Perhaps it just runs in wave cycles.
[/QUOTE]I used a cars metaphore because a cars value is subjective much like a provider. Any car that does more than get you from point A to point B has a subjective value, just like all providers have a subjective value. What you find valuable about them could be a range of things from the way they look, feel, bragging rights, fit, comfort. The list goes on and on. But ultimately it is a means to an end. And to state that my (along with many others) view point is wrong without a counter reason is incredibly illogical. Your hangup is undoubtable pricing, which is why you are trying to get everyone else on this board to follow your lead, but you claim it is not about price. Really, 10,20, hell even 50 to 100 dollars is inconsiquencial for many of us, but for you it literally defines whether someone is worth your time. The reality is, unless they are desperate; you're not worth their time. And your so stuck on the trees you can't see the forest. Many of us want at least a few nice reliable girls we can see without worrying about issues, and want to see them regularly. Your tactics might get you a nut at a discounted rate in the short term, but adds to the hassle the provider goes through, and there are unfortuantly enough mongers like yourself doing the same thing, causing them to move to places like Orlando and Atlanta as Poke pointed out. A city where there are over a million and a half people should have at least a handful of decent providers, but the reality is I don't blame them for leaving after dealing with this day in and day out. Most other major cities are not like this (hell not even major, medium ones are way better), it sucks for those of us that look past the moment. Clearly from the posts you have given us your main desire is not just to spend some intimate time with someone, you demean the women and are proud enough to brag about it. My goal by having this open discussion is to hopefully catch the attention of quality providers that are reading this board, so they know there are good mongers out here that understand they are people too. While also hopefully offering a counter argument to deter others that have any interest in having long time quality providers. Quality is also very subjective, and clearly our definitions of quality are quite different; and that is okay.
Moral of the story, don't be this guy:
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgHcYxKjwVE[/URL]
Don't make this personal?
[QUOTE=LowBaller;5804335]I understood every word written. Also, the lack of logic and critical thinking. Plus the personal attacks when attempts at logic failed. Noticed it all and understood it all. As for subjective, I am the one that raised that point and kept trying to keep the argument logical and on point instead of emotional and personal attacks.
Providers do not respect guys without balls who cannot make them a counter offer, it is that simple. Excuses, excuses can not cover up that fact.
Mongers, let's make this non-personal, providers jacked up the prices and we need to have the balls to make a counter offer for. 10 or. 20 less. Only then will providers respect us and their services improve.[/QUOTE]Sir you made it personal with the statement "mentally incorrect". As you seem to somehow find yourself a scholar of some sort, mental is a personal state of being and not a general statement about a population or position. So, you can use that logic on yourself. And my statement wasn't a personal attack but a statement of reasonable logic from statements you make in your posts about how you treat these women and what you think about them. Your abusive attitude and tactics are destroying it for the rest of us, and your trying to force feed it down members throats by claiming you're the "man with balls" for negotiating and everyone else can have balls to if they act like you. This is laughable in so many ways. No question that most women like a strong man and respect this position, but abuse does not equal strong. And furthermore, as you have made it a point to bring up over and over; this is a financial transation. The provider does not pick who she is going to see based off how "strong" the person comes off, this statement alone suggests you are looking for some form of respect by your tactics. Since these girls are only intersted in the mighty dollar, in what world do they respect someone offering them the lowest amount at their most desprate time? I do not believe I am the one being illogical here. I brought up your past posts and obvious patterns of abuse not to personally attack you but to put into context that your idea of fun is not being intimate, it is power. This power trip, while by itself in a vacuum, does limited damage to the providers psyche that carries over farther than just your session. But when multiplied causes a total breakdown at worst, or them to reconsider the business or our area at best. Which hurts it for those of us looking for a different type of good time.
I get it, you get your validation from percived respect of "winning" a bidding war with the provider; and the sex is the by product. And there is nothing any of us can do to stop you, but this selfishness kills it for the rest of us. And to be clear, I want to draw a very distenct line between the tactics of Low Baller, and those of Powerhouse. From the information provided, Powerhouse seems to offer a provider what he deems a fair rate and if they do not accept he respectfully moves on. This is not necessarly what I am advocating against, it is the relentless need to bring the price down and taking advantage of desperate time or mood to do so. We are all taking advantage of these providers to a point, as they are of us. But kicking them when they are down is just so unhuman IMO.
Perhaps We Should Change The Subject, Price Is Not Everything
[QUOTE=JustinCider904;5804725]Sir you made it personal with the statement "mentally incorrect". As you seem to somehow find yourself a scholar of some sort, mental is a personal state of being and not a general statement about a population or position. So, you can use that logic on yourself. And my statement wasn't a personal attack but a statement of reasonable logic from statements you make in your posts about how you treat these women and what you think about them. Your abusive attitude and tactics are destroying it for the rest of us, and your trying to force feed it down members throats by claiming you're the "man with balls" for negotiating and everyone else can have balls to if they act like you. This is laughable in so many ways. No question that most women like a strong man and respect this position, but abuse does not equal strong. And furthermore, as you have made it a point to bring up over and over; this is a financial transation. The provider does not pick who she is going to see based off how "strong" the person comes off, this statement alone suggests you are looking for some form of respect by your tactics. Since these girls are only intersted in the mighty dollar, in what world do they respect someone offering them the lowest amount at their most desprate time? I do not believe I am the one being illogical here. I brought up your past posts and obvious patterns of abuse not to personally attack you but to put into context that your idea of fun is not being intimate, it is power. This power trip, while by itself in a vacuum, does limited damage to the providers psyche that carries over farther than just your session. But when multiplied causes a total breakdown at worst, or them to reconsider the business or our area at best. Which hurts it for those of us looking for a different type of good time.
I get it, you get your validation from percived respect of "winning" a bidding war with the provider; and the sex is the by product. And there is nothing any of us can do to stop you, but this selfishness kills it for the rest of us. And to be clear, I want to draw a very distenct line between the tactics of Low Baller, and those of Powerhouse. From the information provided, Powerhouse seems to offer a provider what he deems a fair rate and if they do not accept he respectfully moves on. This is not necessarly what I am advocating against, it is the relentless need to bring the price down and taking advantage of desperate time or mood to do so. We are all taking advantage of these providers to a point, as they are of us. But kicking them when they are down is just so unhuman IMO.[/QUOTE]Like I said, we see some the same providers, several of them know who you are from your intimacy desire and wanting to pay full asking price. As an example, the UTR provider we both see told me she gagged due to the odor coming from your jr. I gave her some packs of wipes from my car so she could wipe you down below the next time you visited. Point is, price is not everything, providers get turned off by mongers like you having odor down below. So, let's quit talking about paying full price as a way to get better quality and instead talk about better hygiene. We mongers complain when a provider has odor down below, well if we want them fresh down below, then we should also be fresh and clean down below. Maybe then we would have more out of town providers visiting Jax! Let's not scare them away boys.
A thought about negotiation
Screw a bunch of negotiation!
Like most grownups my life is filled with negotiation. This "hobby" is a diversion. An occasional walk on the wild side. It's tasting a little forbidden fruit now & then, and I am way more concerned about avoiding the no-shit risks involved than dickering over dollars with a woman who almost certainly needs the cash more than I do.
First rule of negotiation: if you can walk away, you are in control of the conversation. Also, there is an inverse relationship between trying to control the conversation & actually controlling it.
I know I pay a little more than some. I consistently get rewarded for it.
But you do you.
Sounds like that Ouroboros thing
[QUOTE=PlayTiem;5808287]Several touring providers avoid JAX because they perceive the mongers here as being incredibly cheap.
I understand the value of negotiation, and I don't partake of a particular provider's services if I think she is asking more than I would get from the transaction, but providers who have the option are avoiding coming here because of this. And the ones who have the options are generally higher quality providers.[/QUOTE]I slowly seen the downfall of jax like pretty much all of us. Sure people haggle to much, yet the quality doesn't merit the price. Pretty sure we all walked into a little situation where price is not even a conversation. Its known, you slip it on the donation plate and get your blessing. Yet, for me atleast my itch can't be scratched here anymore, so size the quality up and send out offers. Think financially we are set here, but the thought for paying for subpar talent is beneath me atleast. Think about it when does it end? Let's say you have a lassy who you break off the same breadcrumbs for years. She's does her thing. A little caveat here, we know bozos is going to pay whatever the sewer rats quote which why we seen their quotes increase. They had bits of cheese, but now they want the breadcrumbs. There some hidden board out there the ladies visit, so they either get the info of rates there or they see on ads.
If sewer rats are getting breadcrumbs, then ofcourse she wants a slice now. Which is cool. Then guess what the sewer rats wants a slice now, so guess what. She going to want two. On and on. So gets to the point where the quality don't match the quote. So we believe they are not worth what they are quoting, at the same time they think we are clutching our bread, where we really trying to bring their head from the clouds. I can go other states and get a phenomenal cleansing for under a buck. Yet same can be said over a buck when I was up north. It was worth it.
Yet here atleast the "higher-end" ladies seem to be on the spectrum for being cordial and safe environment, which is comfortable, yet same time not exciting.
Yet these streets calling me I yearn for the thrill LOL.
That's great but also unrealistic
[QUOTE=PervNerd48;5812611]*stands on soapbox*.
I personally don't think the situation is going to improve until we, as johns / clients / hobbyists, start telling politicians to back off on stupid ideas for trying to deal with legitimate sex trafficking.
Shutting down Craigslist and Backpage and the review sites did nothing to fight traffickers. And while I'm not trying to trivialize the real harm done, the truth is that most reported estimates of sex trafficking are wildly overestimated.
[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/10/11/are-people-day-trafficked-right-front-our-eyes-nope/[/URL]
[URL]https://whyy.org/segments/fosta-sesta-was-supposed-to-thwart-sex-trafficking-instead-its-sparked-a-movement/[/URL]
SESTA / FOSTA made hobbying more dangerous for both johns and sex workers.
We need to move sex work from the underground status it's in now to something more legitimate, where we can talk openly about safe situations for both johns and sex workers. It's ridiculous that it's hard to identify dangerous providers, just as it's ridiculous for sex workers to not be able to identify dangerous men who abuse the service they provide..[/QUOTE]Sure, I would vote for that and most others would too. Neither party actually supports this. Democrats want the Scandinavian model (girls are victims and Johns are abusers) and Republicans think it is unbiblical or whatever. That said, the Jax scene is worse than a number of either Republican areas (such as Dallas) or liberal areas (the NYC / NJ areas comes to mind). The Dallas area is particularly interesting since hobbying is now a felony in TX.
Someone needs to open an agency here or something. Until someone gets the talent and makes it available we're going to keep staying in this mess.
