Massage Parlor Reports

In town on business, and needed a good rub & tug. Read the reports, and figured I would give Bella a try. Called and told girl who answered the phone need a strong massage to which she responds "we don't do that". Ok, so I figured we had a communication failure. I kept pushing is this the massage parlor, to which she finally replies "house fee $60". Ok, I'll be there in 10 minutes. I get in, and the same girl who answered the phone brings me up to the room. She is young, and I'm thinking too young to be mamasan. Nice looking girl tall with nice black hair comes in and leads me to the shower. Table shower was nice, then we go back to room. She has a pillow on the table which I move, so I can put my face in the hole on the table where it belongs. I show her my shoulders hurt, and I need a strong massage. She replies massage yes, HJ no? I said massage and yes. She walks out. Storms back in a few minutes later, and I'm laying face down. She touches my shoulder and says massage yes HJ no? I said YES & YES. She again storms out. Ok, I must be an asshole and just tired. I get up and put my clothes on, grab my $60 off the table and start for the door. She was just entering as I'm leaving. She again says massage? And I just keep walking. I get back downstairs, and young girl standing blocking the door. I go to try and push open the door, and she is trying to block it. OK, what the F. I'm no Mr. T, but no small guy either. Finally, I said open the F. Door as you don't want any trouble do you? She says, sorry, sorry and I open the door and storm out.

Maybe just a communication barrier, but WTF? Glad you other guys had a good experience here as I thought I was pretty verse at understanding the Asian community.

My guess is that you did not follow accepted protocol. If you look like LE, that's another red flag.

Your report indicates strongly that you did not follow the accepted protocol and therefore what happened to you, happened.

It's 1 hour, $160, up front, and whatever happens, happens and there is no negotiating for services. You are paying for time, not services AL-a-carte. I only knew of one place that had 30, 45 and 1 hr sessions. Two cups of coffee might have to be negotiated.

If you want 4 hands, prepare to double everything and arrange and schedule before hand and not for your first time.

[QUOTE=Spazen; 1512730]My guess is that you did not follow accepted protocol. If you look like LE, that's another red flag.

Your report indicates strongly that you did not follow the accepted protocol and therefore what happened to you, happened.

It's 1 hour, $160, up front, and whatever happens, happens and there is no negotiating for services. You are paying for time, not services AL-a-carte. I only knew of one place that had 30, 45 and 1 hr sessions. Two cups of coffee might have to be negotiated.

If you want 4 hands, prepare to double everything and arrange and schedule before hand and not for your first time.[/QUOTE]Been at this game for a long time my friend, and I know what the protocol / do's and don'ts are. What this place needs, is someone who can speak a word of English! I stand by my posting of annoyance. Good luck to you all.

[QUOTE=Cdmanoise;1513576]Been at this game for a long time my friend, and I know what the protocol / do's and don'ts are. What this place needs, is someone who can speak a word of English! I stand by my posting of annoyance. Good luck to you all.[/QUOTE]It is a FS place and the fee is $160. I don't know why they bother with the $60 quote over the phone. It is a bit confusing. You can get a light massage and a HJ only for less but they would rather do the FS for the full price.

If you are looking for a rub and tug place you'll find it in the suburbs.

[QUOTE=Cdmanoise;1513576]Been at this game for a long time my friend, and I know what the protocol / do's and don'ts are. What this place needs, is someone who can speak a word of English! I stand by my posting of annoyance. Good luck to you all.[/QUOTE]Ah, maybe I'll get bashed for being the Miss Manners in this situation, or maybe I'll take a page from the Dale Carnegie classic. But REALLY? Standing by your annoyance sure appears to be a bit of slam on spazen who tried to help. Unfortunate because if anyone knows the R&T scene it is spazen!

Not to diminish one's annoyance. Fair enough, you had a bad experience and we appreciate the post to warn others. That is why we are here! So thank you for that! I'd be pizzed too if I had the kind of experience you did.

Now all of that said, a suggestion or two. From this perspective (now the third) it appears as though the report could have had a few more details. Sure appears as thought there were a few items that might have helped others understand what actually happened. Missing items Gents looking to help made a few assumptions to fill in the blanks. Did you leave the "tip" out in plain sight as soon as you were disrobed? I wasn't sure as the report didn't mention it, so it could have gone either way. Sometimes the toughest part of posting here is getting enough detail out there.

If one is looking for purely a rub and legit massage for some ailment, then is heading to a FS type place a great idea? Hundreds legit places in the phone book will do that for you. Or look on BP. Or I bet spazen could be a good Yellow Pages...

Then again, if one is visiting Philly and has RTFT, then I am at a loss why anyone heads out to other than Fun City. Yeah, sure. No place is a 100% guarantee, but it seems the odds are much higher of a good experience with a gorgeous young girl at FC than anywhere else. I dunno. I'm just sayin'

Then an a more personal level. OK, one was looking for some help finding a place, had an unfortunate experience and posted. But ah, do you think your chances of finding future help are enhanced by getting all defensive at those that tried to help? [I]Been at this game for a long time my friend, and I know what the protocol / do's and don'ts are. [/I] That's the Dale Carnegie bit.

So. Sorry about the bad experience! Thank you again for posting the report. Hope your next time around is a better one! Good LucK!

Cdmanoise, you do make a lot of noise.

Your shoulder (s) hurt and you wanted a massage and no HJ.

Common sense would be to go to a licensed massage therapist.

You went to one of the top AMPs in Philly, that is full service.

You spoke on the phone with Tiffany, who was temporarily filling in as mamasan for Lily, the regular mamasan.

When you asked her over the phone for a hard massage, she replied "We don't do that."

She was accurate.

Still, you went there.

Tiffany normally works at Fun City, as a working girl.

She is fluent in English.

She is beautiful.

That particular day she tried to look plain, hair tight, glasses on face.

She was not interested in working that day since she had mamasan duties.

She is most proficient in the slide, BBBJ and full service.

She is pretty good at massage also.

She is one of the top 3 or 4 most popular current AMP worker in Philly.

The girl that came to see you in the room was Chanel.

She hardly speaks Englsih.

Girls work on tips.

Tips at AMPs are not for massage, but for HJ, BJ or FS.

$60 is house money. Only tips go to girls.

So if you had tipped her in advance in addition to house money, she would have stayed.

How is your ANGER MANAGEMENT?

Lily, Tiffany and York

Alas poor York, I knew him Horatio.

[QUOTE=York; 1516040]Cdmanoise, you do make a lot of noise.

Your shoulder (s) hurt and you wanted a massage and no HJ.

Common sense would be to go to a licensed massage therapist.

You went to one of the top AMPs in Philly, that is full service.

You spoke on the phone with Tiffany, who was temporarily filling in as mamasan for Lily, the regular mamasan.

When you asked her over the phone for a hard massage, she replied "We don't do that."

She was accurate.

Still, you went there.

Tiffany normally works at Fun City, as a working girl.

She is fluent in English.

She is beautiful.

That particular day she tried to look plain, hair tight, glasses on face.

She was not interested in working that day since she had mamasan duties.

She is most proficient in the slide, BBBJ and full service.

She is pretty good at massage also.

She is one of the top 3 or 4 most popular current AMP worker in Philly.

The girl that came to see you in the room was Chanel.

She hardly speaks Englsih.

Girls work on tips.

Tips at AMPs are not for massage, but for HJ, BJ or FS.

$60 is house money. Only tips go to girls.

So if you had tipped her in advance in addition to house money, she would have stayed.

How is your ANGER MANAGEMENT?

Lily, Tiffany and York[/QUOTE]My Anger Management is very well refined. Hence why when the door was blocked I maintained my composure rather than swing. Learned a long time ago in the Marine Core to evaluate before shooting unless in immediate danger.

[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love; 1515517]Ah, maybe I'll get bashed for being the Miss Manners in this situation, or maybe I'll take a page from the Dale Carnegie classic. But REALLY? Standing by your annoyance sure appears to be a bit of slam on spazen who tried to help. Unfortunate because if anyone knows the R&T scene it is spazen!

Not to diminish one's annoyance. Fair enough, you had a bad experience and we appreciate the post to warn others. That is why we are here! So thank you for that! I'd be pizzed too if I had the kind of experience you did.

Now all of that said, a suggestion or two. From this perspective (now the third) it appears as though the report could have had a few more details. Sure appears as thought there were a few items that might have helped others understand what actually happened. Missing items Gents looking to help made a few assumptions to fill in the blanks. Did you leave the "tip" out in plain sight as soon as you were disrobed? I wasn't sure as the report didn't mention it, so it could have gone either way. Sometimes the toughest part of posting here is getting enough detail out there.

If one is looking for purely a rub and legit massage for some ailment, then is heading to a FS type place a great idea? Hundreds legit places in the phone book will do that for you. Or look on BP. Or I bet spazen could be a good Yellow Pages.

Then again, if one is visiting Philly and has RTFT, then I am at a loss why anyone heads out to other than Fun City. Yeah, sure. No place is a 100% guarantee, but it seems the odds are much higher of a good experience with a gorgeous young girl at FC than anywhere else. I dunno. I'm just sayin'

Then an a more personal level. OK, one was looking for some help finding a place, had an unfortunate experience and posted. But ah, do you think your chances of finding future help are enhanced by getting all defensive at those that tried to help? [I]Been at this game for a long time my friend, and I know what the protocol / do's and don'ts are. [/I] That's the Dale Carnegie bit.

So. Sorry about the bad experience! Thank you again for posting the report. Hope your next time around is a better one! Good LucK![/QUOTE]All great points. I guess lesson learned. Next time do a bit more homework first. Having visited many cities, most are not as open FS as those in Philly I guess hence my miss set expectation. I thought I was pretty clear on the phone I needed my shoulders worked, and got caught off guard by being told "we don't do that here". In my experience, as stated above most cities don't run AMP based solely on FS expectation or wouldbe shut down in the blink of an eye. Didn't know Philly was more liberal.

I guess, better communication on both sides would have helped. Unfortunately, attendant only had an English vocabulary of 6 words (back rub yes H J no?) or we likely could have avoided any confusion. What really threw me, is they told me to place the house fee on the table. Every other AMP I have visited you pay the house fee up front upon entry and tips are discussed in the room. Holds true for Charlotte, NJ, NY, Orlando etc.

Regarding being defensive, I thought that was the polite response. Have seen many others on this board, who go off and could do with a tune up but that's just my perspective and where I come from.

[QUOTE=Spazen;1512730]It's 1 hour, $160, up front, and whatever happens, happens and there is no negotiating for services.[/quote]That's absolute nonsense, and I wish you wouldn't drop this bull on unsuspecting readers with such incredible certainty. The fee is $60 an hour, the rest is up to you and the masseuse. $160? Upfront? You got to be paid by these places to post this ridiculous bs. Nothing (other than the house fee) is due upfront. They do expect your requesting extras and tipping for them, but that doesn't mean you're obligated to request FS. What you ask for is your business (and so are the tips - discuss and agree; nothing is automatically due, to say nothing about "upfront").

That said, it is true that a lot (most?) punters go there for FS. And it's also true that massage isn't what keeps these places in business . I don't know what happened to Cdmanoise, but my guess is he's suffered a communications failure somewhere along the line. From his report I can't figure what it was. The good idea would be first to read the forum here before going in, and second (I'm going on a limb here as I'm not sure) to talk to mamasan. And if what he wanted was massage (with no extras), um..., an AMP is a very insuitable place to go. For well-done competent massage you find a licensed massage therapist. Again, from what Cdmanoise reported, it's unclear what the problem was. And it could be [i]anything[/i], but once again, there's no such thing as a "FS place" (FS being somehow obligatory - there [i]are[/i], naturally, FS places in the sense that FS is availabe, if requested) or "$160 upfront" (even if that is what takes place there a lot of times).

[quote]You are paying for time, not services[/quote]That's just more categorically stated bs. How do you know all of this, may I ask? This is absolutely not true. Come to think of it, didn't we already discuss this here? I had on multiple occasions been give a "menu" - with services, not time in it. The time is the hour (or whatever it is) you paid your house fee for, and the fee is $60.

JGgarth:

I think now Cdmanoise understands that it's different in Philly.

OK, the places I go, I know it's a FS place up front. It's illegal to pay for sex, THEREFORE negotiations for specific sex acts are NOT available. Period. Now there was ONE place that had 30 min. 45 min and 60 minute sessions and charged accordingly. No al'a'carte options. Now just suppose your the masseuse, I would assume that you would rather work at the same hourly rate and that's the premise here. Somewhere I read a thread on just that. I Philly, FS and a Table shower is expected for $1. 6 and that appears to be true expectations for both parties. Sometimes, I get pissed when it's not the full hour. There are some providers that practice,"once you have your 1 cup of coffee, out the door you go. Second cups may have to negotiated. I have known some people who have not partaken in a table shower, but it was known that they showered beforehand.

There are the rare, out the door in 30 min and the rare 2. 5 hr sessions with no extra costs involved. Then there are the double showers and the light BDSM, spanking or role-play sessions and even supplied toys by the house. You can get your hair shampooed too. Lot's of things are possible. Mamasan may bang on the door in exact 1 hour too. The second shower is usually brief and independent and not a table shower. And don't forget there is the shower from mamasan or someone else other than the provider. Occaisonally, there is a switch of providers. Sometimes you get the VIP room. Sometimes you reserve it. 90% of the time the massage sucks.

I can count on one hand the number of times I paid the house fee to the mamasan an the tip later. Occasionally, $ were not accepted until if handed directly. That exchange must be indirect for some. You know, the "white envelope thing" that's practiced by escorts, but in this case you don't have to use the envelope. Usually, the $ disappear while your undressing.

If for some reason, I can't perform do I get some money back? No. Have provider's upselled, yes. One provider did that at CH3. You bring those issues up with mamasan. If the session is short, you bring it up with mamasan and that's when I found out about the time rates.

In the non-AMP scene, I have negotiated.

There are at least two rules. 1) Don't talk about cost vs. Service (This rule can sometimes be broken depending on circumstances) 2) Only house fee can be exchanged directly (this rule can be broken as well). For a newbie (new mamasan or new provider) , those rules are mandatory.

I'm unusual, I get pleasure when others get pleasure and when I'm up to it, I give reverse massages. Occaisionally, I get, maybe I should pay you? Making a girl have an "O" feels good to me, but it wears out the provider. So, the provider, would rather not have one. Yes, I have been told to stop making me have an "O". That was unusual because all it took was a "voice command".10 was too many.

Moon Spa on Sansom advertises as "Luxurious", hardly. The place is a dump, rather dirty but delivers the goods if you don't mind a fat girl (Young was there this week). She is mid 30's and aimed to please but was so fat it was hard to be aroused. BBBJ and FS.

Fun City Asians on S. 3rd had Cindy on tap, about 30, pretty face, good rack but body is a little flabby (looks like fat after having a kid). Very pleasing to look at but too many complaints, don't suck my nipples too hard, my pussy hurts don't lick it too hard, etc. You other mongers must have worn this cute girl out. Good BBBJ and, after all the complaints, she took a good pounding in all positions like a champ. If the pussy didn't hurt before it did after.

The best experience this monger had was at the place on Ranstead, drew a very pretty early 30's gal, Lucy, hot pink bikini, pulled me by the cock back to the room after the table shower so I knew I was in for a good time. She's got a nice body and great attitude. BBBJ, no limits, went around the clock in the positions, she came with DATY and riding cowgirl. Not a clock watcher. She was the only one worth repeating. Second visit was even better, soapy full body contact starting in the table shower. She's a keeper. There were a couple of other decent looking gals there as well but Lucy is the pick of the litter.

All were K-girls. 60 for the house and 100 for the girl.

I met her. Tiffny.

She's hottie. I have excellent experince.

[QUOTE=Guy Nuoir;1527747]Moon Spa on Sansom advertises as "Luxurious", hardly.[/quote]LOL, Oh well. Not [i]really[/i] Luxurious, eh? Just like the portraits they use for their ads, not real.

[quote]The best experience this monger had was at the place on Ranstead, drew a very pretty early 30's gal,[/quote]Wow, that's very unexpected. In my experience, it's a nice place but with the older girls. Something must have changed. I got to revisit. Haven't been there in years.

[QUOTE=Spazen; 1517645]JGgarth:

I think now Cdmanoise understands that it's different in Philly.

OK, the places I go, I know it's a FS place up front. It's illegal to pay for sex, THEREFORE negotiations for specific sex acts are NOT available. Period.[/QUOTE]Just cause you say "period" doesn't make it true. I have nothing to add to what I had said earler. And once again. You posted now a whole book of legislation, all of it based apparently on your saying "period". How do you know all these things? The strangest thing is that I've known you (well, the poster by your name) for years, on this and other forums, and you usually posted good messages. What happened? Did you eat something, or have they started giving out free ones in exchange for shilling on the net? Come on.

I do have a physical medical reason that impairs thinking depending on a specific trigger.

Now with that out of the way.

There are protocols in place for a reason and they are designed for protection. Let's take the three "scenes" and a FIRST TIME visit.

Streetwalker. The essential piece of the protocol is for the girl to get in the car.

Escort. The essential piece of the protocol is to place the donation in a plain envelope in the designated area.

AMP . Place the donation on the table.

Negotiations for "specific services" can then only be attempted if you have been seen at least once by the provider except possibly with the streetwalker. Having the mamsan recognize you is not considered a "First time".

But don't go into an AMP for the first time and say: "How about an HJ for $50? Don't ask an escort "What are your charges for Greek?" on the first visit. That's the point I wanted to make. Paying for sex is illegal in MOST of the US. Paying for time and companionship isn't."First time" has a different meaning for an AMP. Recognized by the mamasan is equivalent to passing the first time test.

If the place isn't an AMP, the provider could easily say,"You payed too much". If you placed to little on the table, the answer might be "It's $160".

It's a good idea to not have a paper trail and minimize the possibility of info being recorded.

Somewhere, some place there is a document entitled something like "Rules for Mongering". I could not find it. Not sure if it is in this forum.