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[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3032254]I'm reminded of an old phrase: "I don't need to pay women to sleep with me, but I do pay them to leave me".[/QUOTE]Yep, and I've found the old adage about pussy never being free to be one of the truisms of life.
One way or another, pussy comes with an obligation. I don't want to be held to the emotional obligation, so I opt for the alternative, the financial one.
[QUOTE=JoeBogus;3032140]After months of using anonymous MC and Visa Gift cards to renew my SA membership, suddenly they are not accepting them any more. Is anyone else having this issue?
I even tied these gift cards to a Paypal account, and it won't take that either?
Can someone suggest another anonymous way to pay?[/QUOTE]Had this same problem. Based on feedback here and a semi-helpful response from SA customer service, here's what works:
Get a Vanilla Visa. Available at WalGreens, etc. With a $4. 95 service fee. Load it with $70 (assuming you're paying the $69.95 monthly fee).
I used the Visa version last week, but the Mastercard version worked for me back in May.
Call the number on the card, put in the card number + security code to validate, then choose the option to set the ZIP code for the card. (The website did not work for me, I had to call to set the ZIP).
On SA, choose the PayPal option. Do the guest checkout (no PayPal account), use any name or address but the ZIP must match the ZIP you set for the card.
Good luck!
[QUOTE=JoyDrop;3033363]Had this same problem. Based on feedback here and a semi-helpful response from SA customer service, here's what works:
Get a Vanilla Visa. Available at WalGreens, etc. With a $4. 95 service fee. Load it with $70 (assuming you're paying the $69.95 monthly fee).
I used the Visa version last week, but the Mastercard version worked for me back in May.
Call the number on the card, put in the card number + security code to validate, then choose the option to set the ZIP code for the card. (The website did not work for me, I had to call to set the ZIP).
On SA, choose the PayPal option. Do the guest checkout (no PayPal account), use any name or address but the ZIP must match the ZIP you set for the card.
Good luck![/QUOTE]The merchant can load the card with $69.95 exactly. You don't need to put whole dollar amounts ($70) on the gift card.
The only difference I have seen between the Vanilla Visa and the Vanilla MasterCard is that the service fee is a dollar more on the MasterCard version.
SDX.
Long time lurker, first time poster. Thought I would contribute some anecdotes.
Visa Gift Card:
Tried the guest Paypal option to no success. They need to get that worked out.
SA in general:
This is probably the biggest life hack ever. I don't think there's a better way to meet beautiful women who are open to a relationship (financial or otherwise). Who has time to approach a couple dozen girls a day, hoping for a free lay? Not a grown man who isn't a loser, I tell you that.
Choosing POTS:
This is unique to me and the type of woman I screen for, so keep that in mind. I completely avoid any profile that mentions spoiling, and that isn't set to negotiable. In my situation I also avoid profiles that come across too "UTR", or are excessively short. You can feel the vibe from her photos pretty often. If she's already setting up the meet without a photo request that's a red flag. If she wants $ to m&g that's another flag. If she's talking money up front, pass. Some girls spend their days on sugar blogs and get their heads filled that they are going to be rolling in $. They are a lost cause. New girls get bombarded with options (and lies) and get spooked pretty easily. I can't say for sure what the best timing is, but you've got to make the m&g happen before she disappears. Also I tend to stay in the early 20's range.
Pictures:
Having a profile picture definitely helps set you apart from creepy message #50 she's received. Send normal photo over text.
Sugar:
Depending on your location there's going to be guys throwing lots of money around ($500+/ meet easily) making it harder to play with the really hot ones. They know their worth. Know your budget, also know when you are priced out.
Etiquette:
You cannot treat these girls like a hooker. If you're negotiating BBBJ and MSOG, you're doing it wrong. Also if you burn these girls you're making it harder for everyone else to pull her back out of her shell, if she ever comes back out of it at all. Be a decent person, hold up your end, or don't get involved at all.
SB / GF scenarios:
[QUOTE=BigTigger;3030191]You actually show a great difference in our approaches. I'm not looking for the women who want an arrangement. I'm looking for those who want what feels like a discreet affair with a married man with some financial help along the way. Your target audience would not work for me because the funds I offer are not enough for anyone to stay, LOL. So I probably should have had that caveat at the beginning of my post. Also, I target African American women and Latinas. As stated before, the nature of supply and demand for those two groups, keeps my expenses low. The good thing is that in many cases I don't have to sacrifice looks or body, I just have to be more emotionally involved and get them more emotionally involved. I will say this, I've been surprised at the number who were willing to deal with me knowing I had others in the stable. Sometimes honesty is a big turn on for them.
So fellow hobbyist, make sure to modify our suggestions based on who you are, what you bring to the table and what you are targeting. For the arrangement folks, funds and gifts at the M&G may have little effect. However for those who want to strongly believe they are not selling the goodies, the gifts and cash works wonders.
BigTigg.[/QUOTE]I felt like I should chime in specifically because of BigTigg's recent contributions. All of it is spot on. There's a market here for a certain type of play.
Like BigTigg, I'm more interested in pulling a girl interested in the relationship aspect of it than the financial. You could say more mentorship / lifestyle. They are definitely out there, sometimes they don't even realize it themselves until you've softened them up a little (via text+m&g). This is something I've figured out over time. I'm also younger (30's), well paid and objectively not bad looking so it's a bit easier for me. I've found the money becomes more symbolic than a cornerstone to the arrangement if you aren't getting involved with a girl in a desperate situation. You take a young woman without a ton of relationship experience who's only really been with guys her own age, treat her well (like a person), give her the best sex she's had, can afford to do things without issue, give her thoughtful things (including $), and you've pretty much sealed it until something about it becomes untenable (boyfriend comes into play, she or you moves, or she's too much drama, etc). It's just dating at that point. Sure this won't work for every guy, you've actually got to have some natural charm and game to go along with it. Honesty goes a LONG way. There's a lot of value in the intangibles that get overlooked at face value.
"They can get dick anywhere for free". Completely true, but they can't get the above quite so easily. Most guys are bums.
[QUOTE=FredMoore;3028619]BT, you seem to have the market in low cost sugaring. But, the babies who are on sugar sites are mostly looking for -well-sugar. It is good to know that there are cute young things looking for a good time, roll in the hay, and a gift card to Walmart, but it is important for the readership to know that this is not the norm. BT must be extremely talented at screening for this type of girl, or immensely appealing. Most of us have to pay the price to take the prize.[/QUOTE]Also spot on. You've got to be able to recognize your situation and make the best of it. You're not going to convince a woman who is dead set on one thing to change her mind, respect that.
This college girl got on SA today, cute pix, artsy fartsy. We messaged a little and went to the M&G. I don't know what came over me. Probably 8/8/10 (the latter her advertisement), but bright. She's from a very Christian family and wants to get out of her parent's home where she is harassed (of course, needs $ to get a place). Literally wants / needs to do a midnight escape. Admitted to escorting for a couple months during her first semester to pay bills, but claims she is now clean. Sundress at the M&G, much flirting, touching her legs, flashes her black panties, sits in my car and more touching, kissing. She definitely wants to meet again but of course can't host and I can't book a room (SO). That 1/3 my age thing is very tempting. Danger here?
My first post here. First off, let me thank everyone who have contributed to this thread. You guys are awesome!
So I am fairly new to the SB thing. Working on setting up a couple of M&Gs currently. I have a bit of experience with escorts in the past, mostly from BP.
So here is my question. How safe is to indulge in oral (DATY) with SBs? With escorts, I have never done it mostly due to my fear of STDs. So, I am looking for guidance from the more experienced folks on what you guys think and standards you go by. What about kissing.
[QUOTE=Coldsnap78;3036799]My first post here. First off, let me thank everyone who have contributed to this thread. You guys are awesome!
So I am fairly new to the SB thing. Working on setting up a couple of M&Gs currently. I have a bit of experience with escorts in the past, mostly from BP.
So here is my question. How safe is to indulge in oral (DATY) with SBs? With escorts, I have never done it mostly due to my fear of STDs. So, I am looking for guidance from the more experienced folks on what you guys think and standards you go by. What about kissing.[/QUOTE]Only you can decide how much risk you are willing to take. You can read enough online from medical websites to scare you. But when it comes down to the little head thinking, all that is forgotten when you just picked up a coed from her dorm.
[QUOTE=Coldsnap78;3036799]My first post here. First off, let me thank everyone who have contributed to this thread. You guys are awesome!
So I am fairly new to the SB thing. Working on setting up a couple of M&Gs currently. I have a bit of experience with escorts in the past, mostly from BP.
So here is my question. How safe is to indulge in oral (DATY) with SBs? With escorts, I have never done it mostly due to my fear of STDs. So, I am looking for guidance from the more experienced folks on what you guys think and standards you go by. What about kissing.[/QUOTE]Any girl can be a carrier of Herpes, Chlamydia, etc. It depends on your risk aversion. I try to avoid polyamorous girls (multifuckers) as much as I can. But I suck and fuck with abandon once I vet them best I can. This "hobby" is not for the weak hearted and carries some risks. Some SBs are not sexually active when you meet them and others add you to their list. Many SBs are Pros in disguise-so you never know for sure. Ideally, get her tested for STDs and if clean go for it.
[QUOTE=Coldsnap78;3036799]My first post here. First off, let me thank everyone who have contributed to this thread. You guys are awesome!
So I am fairly new to the SB thing. Working on setting up a couple of M&Gs currently. I have a bit of experience with escorts in the past, mostly from BP.
So here is my question. How safe is to indulge in oral (DATY) with SBs? With escorts, I have never done it mostly due to my fear of STDs. So, I am looking for guidance from the more experienced folks on what you guys think and standards you go by. What about kissing.[/QUOTE]There is a thread here on USA where this topic is welcome to be discussed:
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?4227-Safe-Sex-Information-and-Advice[/URL]
It all comes down to one's perception of risk and how they choose to handle it.
Problem I see with the topic is two-fold:
1) Severe ignorance (lack of knowledge) runs rampant. So get good information from CDC Website or other good medical sources, not just some internet site or blog.
2) Without the proper facts (facts are facts and NOT opinions or variable) most fill-in the holes created by ignorance (lack or knowledge) with [U]belief[/U] and as such, rational thought goes by the way-side and [U]emotions take over.[/U] Everyone is free to do as they please. For me making emotional decisions, rather than fact based decisions, is silly.
Currently there is nothing out there that will kill you if you have medical attention. (with Obama Care everyone should have medical insurance). From my research, F2M transmission rates are fairly low and transmission through oral sex, in my evaluation, is an acceptable risk.
What always surprises me is people who are outside social mores by engaging in this hobby, that get all upset they "caught something!" Seems like a blow to one's ego or self because only "those people" or dirty people catch STDs. Oh I know, the old "fool yourself" with a double standard! IMHO: If you can't look yerself in the mirror and admit yer a sl*ut, then what are you doing in the hobby?
I'm just sayin'
CL
[I]{Hi! My name is Cephlapod. I am a sl*t!}[/I]
[QUOTE=Coldsnap78;3036799]My first post here. First off, let me thank everyone who have contributed to this thread. You guys are awesome!
So I am fairly new to the SB thing. Working on setting up a couple of M&Gs currently. I have a bit of experience with escorts in the past, mostly from BP.
So here is my question. How safe is to indulge in oral (DATY) with SBs? With escorts, I have never done it mostly due to my fear of STDs. So, I am looking for guidance from the more experienced folks on what you guys think and standards you go by. What about kissing.[/QUOTE]During your time in the bowl you'll meet girls on either end of the "upscale pussy" spectrum. At one end of the spectrum you have girls that are very conscientious and selective about who they date, and at the other end of the spectrum you have party girls who do regularly do drugs or get so drunk they can't remember who all they might have fucked the night before. With some practice and some social media research you can usually start to get some picture of where they fall on the spectrum.
"Upscale pussy" (by my own definition) is usually a girl who is clearly intelligent & drug free, has a plan in life (other than having her hands in her SD's pockets) and demonstrates the actual brains and motivation to achieve those dreams. They may still be in college or maybe recently out of college in the early stages of a good career path, or if a little older they might actually have a nice job. Anything that indicates they aspire to be more than just a parasite that lets someone else pay their way through life, while their idea of getting things done consists of just spreading their legs.
Upscale pussy will typically be lower risk, but there's no guarantees. It's a sad state of things to say, but if really trying to avoid STDs, demographic should be taken into consideration. Look up the statistics on this and you'll see what I mean. Also don't forget to take into consideration the demographic of the girl, but the demographic group of the company she keeps (check social media).
Ironically, the only time I've ever been informed that I had a near miss with an STD, a fuck buddy who was definitely upscale pussy informed me she tested positive for genital herpes (in blood antibodies, she said she had never had outbreaks). She had a nice job, was smart, hot as hell, and selective about jumping into bed with people. Wakeup call that it can happen to anyone. Now that said, I bet I've been exposed to girls that are HSV positive a thousand times and just didn't know it, she was just the conscientious type that would get tested in the first plance and happened to believe in informing her fuck buddy about it. Luckily she did not pass it on to me. Who knows what we don't know?
Drugs are the biggest indicator of high risk. Even heavy drinkers and regular weed smokers have a higher prevalence of STDs, because they find themselves in more situations where good judgement is cast aside.
First, JL, clear your mailbox so I can PM you.
Regarding the demographic comment you make, I looked at the CDC stats for herpes, and rates definitely increase with age (presumably = # of partners). So, we are keeping ourselves safer by fucking younger girls. LOL.
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;3037552]During your time in the bowl you'll meet girls on either end of the "upscale pussy" spectrum. At one end of the spectrum you have girls that are very conscientious and selective about who they date, and at the other end of the spectrum you have party girls who do regularly do drugs or get so drunk they can't remember who all they might have fucked the night before. With some practice and some social media research you can usually start to get some picture of where they fall on the spectrum.
"Upscale pussy" (by my own definition) is usually a girl who is clearly intelligent & drug free, has a plan in life (other than having her hands in her SD's pockets) and demonstrates the actual brains and motivation to achieve those dreams. They may still be in college or maybe recently out of college in the early stages of a good career path, or if a little older they might actually have a nice job. Anything that indicates they aspire to be more than just a parasite that lets someone else pay their way through life, while their idea of getting things done consists of just spreading their legs.
Upscale pussy will typically be lower risk, but there's no guarantees. It's a sad state of things to say, but if really trying to avoid STDs, demographic should be taken into consideration. Look up the statistics on this and you'll see what I mean. Also don't forget to take into consideration the demographic of the girl, but the demographic group of the company she keeps (check social media).
Ironically, the only time I've ever been informed that I had a near miss with an STD, a fuck buddy who was definitely upscale pussy informed me she tested positive for genital herpes (in blood antibodies, she said she had never had outbreaks). She had a nice job, was smart, hot as hell, and selective about jumping into bed with people. Wakeup call that it can happen to anyone. Now that said, I bet I've been exposed to girls that are HSV positive a thousand times and just didn't know it, she was just the conscientious type that would get tested in the first plance and happened to believe in informing her fuck buddy about it. Luckily she did not pass it on to me. Who knows what we don't know?
Drugs are the biggest indicator of high risk. Even heavy drinkers and regular weed smokers have a higher prevalence of STDs, because they find themselves in more situations where good judgement is cast aside.[/QUOTE]
One of the big deals about getting a hotel room is the need to show some kind of I'd. College kids get fake IDs all the time to buy alcohol. Why isn't there some reasonable source of fake I'd for SDs so they can use their fake name to check into a hotel with a prepaid card. Some of my SBs don't have credit cards to get the room for me.
So I am messaging with a 26 year old Colombian woman named "Phamela". She is totally UTR. Has anyone seen her? I would like to meet her but would like to know more before I met her.
I am finding my gym is a very helpful piece of the puzzle in the bowl. Elsewhere, in the highlights, there is discussion of why keeping in shape helps our game, etc. A couple of other points. I inquired of my physician about my T levels, and he mentioned several common behaviors that raise it. Including having sex (we're all doing our part there), hanging out with guys (we virtually do that here), and working out. In my gym, in an upscale coastal California county, there is so much hot pussy walking around, that is an even greater effect. Definitely motivating to get into the bowl. My dream would be to find someone I see in my gym on SA.
What I particularly like about the gym is it gives me a reason / excuse to be out of the house, where I can access my burner without worry and I can establish an 'alibi'. They have a check-in scanner and on my account on their website I can see the days and times I have been there. If it is not too far out of my way, I can head there on my way to see a SB just to establish I was 'working out', not stepping out. I slip out a back exit and hop right back in the car to head to the FC. I also established a pattern of going there after work on certain days. I can then take afternoon time off to hit a hotel right at check-in time, spend a few hours with the SB, then go to the gym for at the least a deep shower, if not an actual workout. That cleans me up and provides a reason for me to be out of the clothes I wore with the SB, and cuts the risk there will be evidence.
[QUOTE=Ltnric;3037772]So I am messaging with a 26 year old Colombian woman named "Phamela". She is totally UTR. Has anyone seen her? I would like to meet her but would like to know more before I met her.[/QUOTE]Did she say why she posted in Spanish? She caught my eye but I am currently not premium on SA. Any of her private pics hot?