Korean Agency BB

[QUOTE=Leocat2020;6205740][URL]https://k-powerhouse.escortbook.com/model-pse-bon-424320-1430-48155[/URL][/QUOTE]This is the website that says Bon / Emma / pink / tomi / bunny / glow does not take cip. Can anyone confirm this is true?

[QUOTE=DanJanson;6204546]Trying to understand BB. Why are girls offering this with all the risks involved?

Is it mostly NK girls who are doing this? I don't do BB and I've also never met someone who is NK in the biz. Are they hidden or keeping NK origin a secret?

From my research, BB girls are less attractive and usually much older (used goods from Korea) than GFE girls. I know some GFE girls are YMMV but at least they keep it secret. Are openly BB girls just as young / attractive as GFE girls? If I was a betting man, I would bet this happens maybe 5% of the time.[/QUOTE]I think initially they were mostly from NK and / or short and old, but there are tall, attractive 30's that offer it. 5% or 1 out of 20? That sounds right and is actually high depending on how you look at it.

[QUOTE=UtahGuy226;6205504][URL]https://littletokyolv.com/g5/bbs/content.php?co_id=lilak[/URL]

Anyone got any feedback on this one? Does Little Tokyo really have girls in there 20's or you get there and they are in their late 40's?[/QUOTE]Lilac is definitely late 30's or early 40's.if the website says a girl is 20-23 they are late 20's early 30's.if they are listed as 25-26 then they are mid 30's-40's late 40's.

Rarely a girl is young 20's.

Lilac is great. But she's not my type. Service amazing. She has a plain face and plain body. I like them busty curvy juicy.

[QUOTE=Leocat2020;6205873]This is the website that says Bon / Emma / pink / tomi / bunny / glow does not take cip. Can anyone confirm this is true?[/QUOTE]I haven't seen her in years, but [B][url=https://www.foxylists.com/glow]she[/url][/B] always insisted that I cum outside her pussy.

[B][url=https://www.candygirlla.com/portfolio-1/emma%2Fbon]Bon / Emma[/url][/B]

I don't know what she looks like these days, but her face used to look like the Korean version of [b][url=https://lineblog.me/kasyou_rosiel/archives/13190606.html]@Kasyou3roshieru[/url][/b].

[QUOTE=Leocat2020;6205198]Morning every-buddy.

Was hoping for some intel on Bon Aka Glow aka whatever her name is going to be in a few weeks.

I remember her way back when she was just cfs. Now she has been BBFS for a while, but I never went for it. At 4 bills for a bb pop is a bit high, but I think she was hot, despite her weird, quirky way she talks and giggles to herself.

I saw on one site that she offers BBFS but no cip. What fun is that? Is this true? I'd be disappointed if she wouldn't allow cip if I paid so much.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Last time I saw her (a while back), she let me CIP but it was clear she wasn't thrilled about it. When it comes to Pink, she wears her heart on her sleeves for the most part so it was easy to tell. Wouldn't surprise me now that she's adamant about no CIP.

[QUOTE=UtahGuy226;6205504][URL]https://littletokyolv.com/g5/bbs/content.php?co_id=lilak[/URL]

Anyone got any feedback on this one? Does Little Tokyo really have girls in there 20's or you get there and they are in their late 40's?[/QUOTE]If it's the Lilac I'm thinking of who use to provide in LA, then she's mid-30's at best.

I was a day late and a dollar short trying to re-aquaint myself with Sophia over at M. I had not booked with M in so long that she stopped sending line-up pictures and kissing emojis! She did send me two pics of "new girl" Cherry that were so adulterated that there was really no way to tell what she would look like in the flesh. After confirming she wasn't an upcharge, and with no other solid plan, I prebooked for the next day.

I had a bit of luck with 3101's door when I could see the door was not completely closed, and I let my self in. When the door to the unit magically opened, I have to admit I was slightly disappointed by what I saw. Cherry had a slight Pacific Islander look. I later confirmed she was K all the way, though she doesn't speak much English. My next disappointment was when I saw her in her birthday suit. She was what I call a "small top", with the hips and legs of a somewhat thicker girl. She looked the have small B tittys. I went in for a kiss and just got lips, no LFK or DFK, which was somewhat concerning. Her head game gave me "new girl" vibes because she just stayed and the head and occasionally looked up to check in on me. I got bored with that and told her to lay down and I proceeded the slurp her clam, and it was good! After I got my fill I started plugging away, and magically everything seemed to get better. Her face got cuter and her body looked great. I usually try to get in a little break before my final approach, but because of the language barrier there was a small hiccup in the action. With Mini, I would take my break in 69. I had Cherry lay back, and I ploughed away in mish. After a bit I saw my offramp, and took it!

I tried to get her to turn on the AC, but no dice. I tried to figure out how to turn on the fan, but no. We wound up with a hard-ish massage and shower.

Cherry seems kind of new to the game. To get anywhere is going to take some leadership. You could do a lot worse in the troubled boycott times than Cherry. She's not going to make it into my rotation. But, really who am I kidding, I have no rotation these days!

Can anyone recommend any K-girl that actually looks like the picture that's advertised? I know most of them are fake but I'm curious to know which ones are actual legit pictures or at least very close to advertised.

Thanks guys.

[QUOTE=PandasExpress;6206159]Can anyone recommend any K-girl that actually looks like the picture that's advertised? I know most of them are fake but I'm curious to know which ones are actual legit pictures or at least very close to advertised.

Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]By now facial recognition technology is so mature and prevalent, girls have to protect their identity, especially at home, South Korea being so advanced in technology with a click, identifies you in a sec. Live with what you can see. That's reality!

Cherry is an upcharge girl with 300/ hr (no BB) and +20 BBFSCIP. She started in OC before the boycott and I only saw she advertised BB special after the boycott.

[QUOTE=HexenDuction;6206149]... After confirming she wasn't an upcharge, and with no other solid plan, I prebooked for the next day...[/QUOTE]

I think she was Wawa [URL=https://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/wawa-3239190066-375069](click here)[/URL] who used to be at Pepsi Palace and doubled with Pepsi. Fake pics. If you can see Molly that I tried to avoid, you can TOFTT on any Kgirl. May the Boner be with you!

[QUOTE=WhyOhWhy;6204263]I was hoping my LA brothers can help me with this one. I was wondering if anyone knows if Kat is a rebrand. Because I love her photos and she my type but I know the pictures are probably heavily photoshopped. Let me know!

[URL]http://littletokyolv.com/g5/bbs/content.php?co_id=kat[/URL][/QUOTE]

The total bill = no upcharge pricing model. I think it might be a case of "water seeking its own level". It seems a little too soon for boycott effects.

Cherry apparently took the hint, unlike Dia!

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;6206513]Cherry is an upcharge girl with 300/ hr (no BB) and +20 BBFSCIP. She started in OC before the boycott and I only saw she advertised BB special after the boycott.[/QUOTE]

If I can recognize the girls from her pics then pics are real. Although they all try to photoshop to look skinnier, younger, hotter, with bigger tits, flatter belly, smaller waist, bigger booty, smoother lighter skin. CGLA Jazmin, Mira, Rosemary, Hanna, Coco, Baby M, Mini, Niya, Suji, Remi, Siena to name a few. Some haven't changed pics in years.

[QUOTE=PandasExpress;6206159]Can anyone recommend any K-girl that actually looks like the picture that's advertised? I know most of them are fake but I'm curious to know which ones are actual legit pictures or at least very close to advertised.

Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]

Wet weather Tuesday lineup.

Sfk Erika Eva Seyoen Aria Angel.

K bliss Jessica Erika Eva.

Sesang girls lineup for Tuesday.

Mini, Dara, Remi.

[QUOTE=TheWhiteDenzel;6205484]You're probably right. Some site called SWO escorts (Sex Without Condom). I forgot to mention she asked me to get an eBay gift card for the $300 she charges. Serious red flag.[/QUOTE]I hope that most guys are familiar with the gift card scam. For those who might not be aware of it, here is how it works.

You book an appointment with the gal. She directs you to a convenience store supposedly near her incall and asks you to contact her when you get there. When you contact her, she will ask you to buy a gift card in the amount of the agreed upon fee since she doesn't deal in cash. She'll give you one of many made up reasons for this.

So you buy the card, and then she'll ask for the code so that she can "verify" that it's authentic. You do so and then she gives you the supposed address of her incall location with the instructions to call her when you arrive. When you arrive, you call but never get a response.

In the meantime she's gone online and used the gift card. There's no way you can trace who used it. You have now been scammed and screwed (although not in the way you had hoped for).

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;6206636]Not trying to convince doubters but I believed the boycotters have a chance if they can sustain their effort. I am just going to say this once.

Some girls you listed had higher BB rate before. SFK tried to go to 350 for all but some girls had to reduce rate. More girls offer BB special or no upcharge for MSOG. CGLA Cici offered 330 BB. Cherry now advertised +20 (bb) when I think she didn't offer the special before. Even Suji has a discount promotion at LAKAngel after the boycott.

It might not have anything to do with boycott but it shows they know customer sentiment and probably quite a few mongers already sat out even without boycott. Couple girls hated that the OC wasn't busy and went back to LA within a few days. I was the only monger at the OC / LA incall sometimes even during prime time.

I laughed when someone said boycott doesn't work and then thanked boycotter for allowing his friends to book girls easily. The irony LOL. Like I told Rocketbro before, new customers just mean possible new sympathizers for MADD club.

I remember PumpNDump saying SFK would have new girls but cricket now. Someone said this site doesn't matter but couple bookers asked me to review girls on this site. If I can gather 70 Boners like myself here, that's at least 45 K a week a Korg can gain or lose. I only joined the boycott for fun whatever the result may be. We're going streaking![/QUOTE]But Buddhahead and his cohorts would be so sad prices might be going down. LOL.

[QUOTE=Veni1;6206627]I hope that most guys are familiar with the gift card scam. For those who might not be aware of it, here is how it works.

You book an appointment with the gal. She directs you to a convenience store supposedly near her incall and asks you to contact her when you get there. When you contact her, she will ask you to buy a gift card in the amount of the agreed upon fee since she doesn't deal in cash. She'll give you one of many made up reasons for this.

So you buy the card, and then she'll ask for the code so that she can "verify" that it's authentic. You do so and then she gives you the supposed address of her incall location with the instructions to call her when you arrive. When you arrive, you call but never get a response.

In the meantime she's gone online and used the gift card. There's no way you can trace who used it. You have now been scammed and screwed (although not in the way you had hoped for).[/QUOTE]Why anyone with even a little bit of mongering experience would fall for this type of scam is beyond me smh. You should never give payment of any kind until you're face to face with her in the room.

First off, thanks to GG1234 for his 320 no upcharge post with links to the club ads & PumpNDump for his rollcall posts.

Most recently, GG posted a set of photos of Mini and I wanted to chime in that though I can't confirm or deny if those photos are her or some JAV personality, they are pretty damn close enough that when you're at the incall, you won't care! Those photos are almost there. Mini's probably got a slightly rounder face and maybe add 10% of a Christina Ricci look to her when she smiles. So in regards to photos, it's one of the closest to real thing that I've seen in the industry, and yes, most of the time the representative photos are just all bullshit and way off. But Mini's pretty close! (The other time I was shocked when I showed up was some Korean gal that Helen had named Patricia Ford. Fuck me, sure enough I swear she would be the korean Patricia Ford, so fucking beautiful).

L. F 8. 5 to 9. She's very pretty. To some of you guys, she might be a 9. 5. For me, you guys know I like Ava 1. 0 (Now Eva) look where she's like human anime with dimples who I would rate a 9. 5 face. Mini's very easy on the eyes but unfortunately not a 9. 5 face. Body 9. 5 OMG damn near perfect body! The height and weight that I like. Not too tall, not too short (for asian), skinny, but nice curves where needed. Titties are MM but they are indeed works of art. Perfect weightiness and softness to them. Couldn't keep my hands off of her chest, and I need to send her surgeon a thank you card. Every part of her body looked so fucking good, it was a turn on looking at her body for sure. And all so smooth. Definitely touching her body was the highlight of my time.

The only think I would comment about her body on the negative side is that for someone with PERFECT tits, her nipples are like mosquito bites. Got to build up the nipples to the size of erasers if you going to make the mammaries that much bigger. Should have made them like 3/4 inch long.

A - 8 Great attitude, like everyone says, she's there to make sure you are having a GREAT time, no. Strike that, the BEST time. Seriously she's a champ about making sure your time is awesome and she goes into porn style scenario to accomplish that. Some of you might be talkers, and if you are, you'll be disappointed. I think for the first 20 minutes, Mini said no more than five words to me (repeatedly). Oh My God. Penis. Honey. Oh My God. Penis. Honey. Oh My God. Penis. Honey.

This went on for the first 20 minutes.

S - 8 So I read a lot about her service before going. I'll agree that her BBBJ is a little subpar. She doesn't go at your cock with swirling tongue like those romance porn scenes, the really good BBBJ ones. Nope. She makes a cup shape of her mouth and bobs back and forth as fast as she can on the first 2 to 3 inches of your junk. Then she might switch over to some undershaft licking and ball licking. She did not rim me at all and avoided it like I just took a shit (I did not, it was soapy clean). Frankly, I didn't feel very much when she was sucking me off, and I couldn't build up any momentum off of it at all, so I switched over to BBFS after 5 minutes. All positions, she's amazing at. Someone described her as super tight. Well, she's not SUPER tight, but she is a really good fit. I had the best time when she didn't inject herself with a TON of lube. OMG when she was filled with lube, it was just a slippery mess. But when the lube started to go, and the inside was a little bit more "huggy" or form fitting, the sex was phenomenal.

E 320 / hr. Msog offered, full 60 minutes available (no short change of time). Popped a huge one, and the second one was about 70% of the way to launch before I excused myself due to lack of time. She never clock watched me for a second, and to be respectful I kept a good check on time.

RR Yes recommend. Yes repeat, though I'm part of the boycott and I anticipate that the economy won't be very friendly to me in the future. Not sure if I'll be able to repeat as often as I'd like or if at all due to funds.

[QUOTE=Atrr1;6206647]But Buddhahead and his cohorts would be so sad prices might be going down. LOL.[/QUOTE]This is more of a response to BonerA's post (which I guess got deleted) than Atrr1's. Yes the boycott does / is working and should be sustained beyond the end of next week. Ignore the posters who claim otherwise. Regardless of inflation, most people's income didn't rise by 35-40%+ to justify these girls who have been up charging.

[QUOTE=Veni1;6206627]I hope that most guys are familiar with the gift card scam. For those who might not be aware of it, here is how it works.

You book an appointment with the gal. She directs you to a convenience store supposedly near her incall and asks you to contact her when you get there. When you contact her, she will ask you to buy a gift card in the amount of the agreed upon fee since she doesn't deal in cash. She'll give you one of many made up reasons for this.

So you buy the card, and then she'll ask for the code so that she can "verify" that it's authentic. You do so and then she gives you the supposed address of her incall location with the instructions to call her when you arrive. When you arrive, you call but never get a response.

In the meantime she's gone online and used the gift card. There's no way you can trace who used it. You have now been scammed and screwed (although not in the way you had hoped for).[/QUOTE]About 6 to 8 years ago, there seemed to be a shift in our hobby, likely to the government takedown of some of the online sites making internet hobbying a little bit more difficult, there were a bunch of places that were doing the scam. I knew about the scam, but wanted to check out the scene at the same time. So this is how I played it out.

Contact: Hi I saw your ad and wanted to hook up.

Response: I'm over in LosAngeles at this intersection. Let me know when you're there.

Drive over: Hi I'm here, which house are you at?

Response: Hi baby, head into the 7 Eleven and buy me a Google pass. The $25 one so I know you're serious.

Me: (Not at all falling for this stupid shit and didn't go into 7 Eleven). Ok, I bought it, now what?

Response: Send me a photo of it so I know you're serious.

Me: I'm serious that I'm sitting here at the corner. Why don't you come out and I'll give it to you when we meet up?

Response: I don't think you're serious about meeting up. You didn't buy it did you?

Me: (Walk into 7 Eleven and take a picture of unpurchased gift card and sent picture without the code). See how serious I am, I'm actually here.

Response: Can you send me a photo of the other side of the card?

Me: Nah, I'll just hang on to it and hand it to you.

Response: So you're not interested in meeting me, are you?

This bullshit continues for 20 minutes, I'm not mad. I'm just completely wasting this person's time like s / he was wasting mine. I asked to video chat her, denied. I asked her for a photo holding up four fingers, denied. For all I know, it's some 16 year old kid looking for google and xbox gift cards so they can power up their fucking account.

I've been interested into booking time with Korean Agency girls but everywhere seems to ask for 2-3 references before being seen. How do you get references if nobody will see you without references?

[QUOTE=BenderOver;6206775] I think for the first 20 minutes, Mini said no more than five words to me (repeatedly). Oh My God. Penis. Honey. Oh My God. Penis. Honey. Oh My God. Penis. Honey.

This went on for the first 20 minutes.[/QUOTE]LMAO, you are 100% spot on! She's so energetic and funny.

[QUOTE=Monger5614;6206774]Why anyone with even a little bit of mongering experience would fall for this type of scam is beyond me smh. You should never give payment of any kind until you're face to face with her in the room.[/QUOTE]Don't think all mongers are equal. There are some hella dumb bros. You need the street smarts to navigate the 304 world. You need to see the red flags. If you started hobbying on the streets or back page I think you've seen it all by now. You've been scammed maybe once and learned the lesson. You know to be upfront and agree before the money was turned over. When you finally get introduced to bb korgs and it's like a taking a walk in the park. Easy breezy. I like the risky business myself but you learn. I always get a laugh at those who pay deposits. No hoe is worth that.

[QUOTE=YehDawg;6206851]I've been interested into booking time with Korean Agency girls but everywhere seems to ask for 2-3 references before being seen. How do you get references if nobody will see you without references?[/QUOTE]Alternate screening options include selfie with ID, paystubs, and / or work phone / email verification. A bit invasive but once you're in you can use that agency as a reference for others.

Hey Gents.

Just want to inform you that if you are active on HX, ask around ladies used to be 400 an hr, you would be surprised to see what's the price now.

I saw a few were 400 about a month ago, then last week dropped to 350 and this week LOL, . Dropped to 300/ hr. BBFS or not you have to talk in person in the heat of the moment.

But just FYI, many ladies on HX are dropping price since so many ballers from tech are getting laid off, so nerdy ballers are cutting back big times.

Have fun hunting.

[QUOTE=Vulcan1009;6207293]Hey Gents.

Just want to inform you that if you are active on HX, ask around ladies used to be 400 an hr, you would be surprised to see what's the price now.

I saw a few were 400 about a month ago, then last week dropped to 350 and this week LOL, . Dropped to 300/ hr. BBFS or not you have to talk in person in the heat of the moment.

But just FYI, many ladies on HX are dropping price since so many ballers from tech are getting laid off, so nerdy ballers are cutting back big times.

Have fun hunting.[/QUOTE]I'm curious to why many mongers are in tech. I was told by kgirls and bookers majority are in tech. Besides the money. Are most tech guys nerds that can't get women? So they pay for sex? I pay for sex because I'm a serial sex addict just being honest.

[QUOTE=Vulcan1009;6207293]Hey Gents.

Just want to inform you that if you are active on HX, ask around ladies used to be 400 an hr, you would be surprised to see what's the price now.

I saw a few were 400 about a month ago, then last week dropped to 350 and this week LOL, . Dropped to 300/ hr. BBFS or not you have to talk in person in the heat of the moment.

But just FYI, many ladies on HX are dropping price since so many ballers from tech are getting laid off, so nerdy ballers are cutting back big times.

Have fun hunting.[/QUOTE]Which ladies on HX are you talking about?

[QUOTE=YehDawg;6206851]I've been interested into booking time with Korean Agency girls but everywhere seems to ask for 2-3 references before being seen. How do you get references if nobody will see you without references?[/QUOTE]If you're active on HX, you can book via some k-agencies that are listed and use them as a reference to get verified with the ones not on HX.

[QUOTE=Leocat2020;6205873]This is the website that says Bon / Emma / pink / tomi / bunny / glow does not take cip. Can anyone confirm this is true?[/QUOTE]i mostly book for 1 hour So what if you busted in the 30 in mark, does the girl tell you to take a shower if you didn't pay for the 2nd round shot?

[QUOTE=Bulak;6206507]By now facial recognition technology is so mature and prevalent, girls have to protect their identity, especially at home, South Korea being so advanced in technology with a click, identifies you in a sec. Live with what you can see. That's reality![/QUOTE]There must be some body recognition tech too then, as most of the pics show either completely fake body or a lot of times body is psd by a lot. Like twenty pounds or whatnot. Body be all dolled up in the ad and in reality the girl has a pouch, mommy damage or is just chubby.

And there's a hodgepodge where a girls face pic (heavily psd) is psd on top of another persons body.

There's no excuse for psd bodies, sorry. Why not blur the face but have it be real pic of a real, faulty human being and not airbrushed doll you're never going to actually see anyway?

Didn't she keep repeating "nipple, nipple, nipple" over and over before attacking you right nipple, and then chanting "nipple, nipple nipple" before switching over to the left?

[QUOTE=BenderOver;6206775]

A - 8 Great attitude, like everyone says, she's there to make sure you are having a GREAT time, no. Strike that, the BEST time. Seriously she's a champ about making sure your time is awesome and she goes into porn style scenario to accomplish that. Some of you might be talkers, and if you are, you'll be disappointed. I think for the first 20 minutes, Mini said no more than five words to me (repeatedly). Oh My God. Penis. Honey. Oh My God. Penis. Honey. Oh My God. Penis. Honey.

This went on for the first 20 minutes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GG1234;6201499]Here is the updated list of Korean no-upcharge BBFS providers whose base rate is 320 or less. [B][url=http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?26373-Korean-Agency-BB&p=6161876&viewfull=1#post6161876]#MADD[/url][/B].[/QUOTE]In no relation to ancient Sparta, I just noticed Miju CG at 300.

Height:5'2".

Breast size:34.

Breast cup: C-cup.

Weight:100 lbs.

[QUOTE=Ghost626;6207542]i mostly book for 1 hour So what if you busted in the 30 in mark, does the girl tell you to take a shower if you didn't pay for the 2nd round shot?[/QUOTE]It's best to pace yourself to maximize your time but if there's a significant of time left and you can't or don't want to do a second shot then it's mainly cuddling, feeling each other up, or massage. At least those are the options I can come up with. Never had the need fill up time lasting more than 5 minutes or so.

Anybody have any current recs for milfs similar to miss x?

Curvy juicy phat ass milfs?

I know asuka isn't the type but please someone dm me her info; I know she went indy and I have been trying to hear the screams she is known for.

Humpday lineup at sfk / kbliss. And to Boner 2 new girls are coming, slight hiccup with apartment.

Sfk Erika Eva Seyone Aria Angel.

K bliss Jessica Erika Eva.

Sesang humpday lineup all at 320.

Mini, Bitna, Remi.

Anyone got a list of kgirl COF providers with super great BBBJ skills. BLS, DT, and sloppy with stringy spit show? Magnum friendly.

[QUOTE=PumpNDump;6207585]Let them piss, cry, moan, and groan. When business slows down the WG's get hungrier and much more desperate. Either they move on from the market or they will adjust their pricing to fit the comfort zone of the market. It's spineless men who puts WGs on the pedestal that ruin it for other men by worshipping them, kissing their ass, and tipping them excessively to gain favors.[/QUOTE]FYI got a text from M yesterday after 5 months of silence asking if everything was okay and her current lineup.

[QUOTE=BenderOver;6208860]We don't pay women for sex. We pay for them to leave after sex.[/QUOTE]Amen. I have never had any issues getting women. The problem is they all want a relationship that I don't want. Better to pay and walk away no hard feelings.

[QUOTE=PsuGuy911;6208803]FYI got a text from M yesterday after 5 months of silence asking if everything was okay and her current lineup.[/QUOTE]What is "WGs".

[QUOTE=BuddhaHead;6207666]I question this statistic and stereotype. All the people I know who are in this hobby are not in tech. That may be true for the Bay Area where tech dominates the job market, but not in LA or OC. Customers generally don't tell the bookers their profession, since the only interaction is thru texting to book an appointment.[/QUOTE]I got this info from Kgirls lmao. Majority of them told me clients work in tech or marijuana business lmao! LA Kgirls told me a lot of there clients are weed farmers. But who really knows? The clients maybe lying. I tell Kgirls I don't work lmao! I also found out a lot of clients are young 20's as well. And they don't like the younger ones because we fuck like a beast fuck machine rabbit and were rough. Which is true! And also they like old men because they can't get hard / they cum quick / they just want to talk and they are nice..