"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Hungre123;3012849]So this has probably been addressed many times but I'm to lazy to go back through this whole forum. I've just joined SA last week, now let me put this out there first, I'm young-ish and fairly attractive so there is that. But I've been swamped on there by girls. I know at least 5 are legit, I've met them or talked to them and had fun. But it's kind of overwhelming the response I've had. I want them all but there's no way possible, my time is limited and my wallets not that deep. Really I guess what I'm wondering is are there a lot of bots on that site? Is that place really a honey pot of utrs? And generally speaking, in the Richmond area, what percent are pro?[/QUOTE]I would recommend at least reading all the posts that are indexed in the Highlights and FAQ thread: [URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL].

They are by no means an all-encompassing guide to the bowl, but its a much better start than just throwing the act of reading over the fence on the grounds of being too lazy, and most of them were indexed there because another newcomer found them to be of particular value. There will never be an all-encompassing guide, nor a "correct" answer to your questions, only varying opinions. One thing you will find if you stay active in the bowl long enough, and are an observant guy: perspectives and experiences vary wildly among SDs and it leads to individual bias about what the bowl is or how it works. You can talk to two different guys and get a completely different take on these girls, their motives, how many are pros, what an SB is or is not, etc. Likewise, the range of girls you find on these sites can range from sweet girls straight out of high school with relatively little sexual experience to full-on hardened pros who would fuck satan for the right amount of money and fail to differentiate in their minds the difference between an SB and an escort.

The experiences and opinions you read here from various SDs are created based on a number of factors, including the geographical market they are operating in, their own looks and fitness level, their age, their personality and game with the ladies, their level of income or wealth, their subjective standards of what constitutes a 6 versus a 10, how much time they have to dedicate to the hobby of SB pursuits, and many other factors. Some people will tell you it's all about money. Some will tell you the key to a woman's heart is to teach her how to properly use eating utensils. LOL. Every SD you will encounter has a built-in bias that is shaped by his experiences. Basically don't take any one person's word for anything around here. Develop your own tactics for the bowl, and use the varying perspectives and opinions to shape your game.

There are some good tips to be picked up here and there but there are no tangible metrics to be found like what percent in Richmond area are pros, etc. Which I think is what you were seeking.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;3013775]I would recommend at least reading all the posts that are indexed in the Highlights and FAQ thread: [URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL].

They are by no means an all-encompassing guide to the bowl, but its a much better start than just throwing the act of reading over the fence on the grounds of being too lazy, and most of them were indexed there because another newcomer found them to be of particular value. There will never be an all-encompassing guide, nor a "correct" answer to your questions, only varying opinions. One thing you will find if you stay active in the bowl long enough, and are an observant guy: perspectives and experiences vary wildly among SDs and it leads to individual bias about what the bowl is or how it works. You can talk to two different guys and get a completely different take on these girls, their motives, how many are pros, what an SB is or is not, etc. Likewise, the range of girls you find on these sites can range from sweet girls straight out of high school with relatively little sexual experience to full-on hardened pros who would fuck satan for the right amount of money and fail to differentiate in their minds the difference between an SB and an escort.

The experiences and opinions you read here from various SDs are created based on a number of factors, including the geographical market they are operating in, their own looks and fitness level, their age, their personality and game with the ladies, their level of income or wealth, their subjective standards of what constitutes a 6 versus a 10, how much time they have to dedicate to the hobby of SB pursuits, and many other factors. Some people will tell you it's all about money. Some will tell you the key to a woman's heart is to teach her how to properly use eating utensils. LOL. Every SD you will encounter has a built-in bias that is shaped by his experiences. Basically don't take any one person's word for anything around here. Develop your own tactics for the bowl, and use the varying perspectives and opinions to shape your game.

There are some good tips to be picked up here and there but there are no tangible metrics to be found like what percent in Richmond area are pros, etc. Which I think is what you were seeking.[/QUOTE]Yea I understand there's a whole subculture to this. I'm mainly just trying to find out what percent are bot, pro or legit. The bots seem fairly easy. I guess on a site like that there's often a thin between amateur and pro. There's one 18 yr old I met who I'm pretty sure is walking that line. She just seems a liitle to familiar with this game for being such a young age.

Thanks for the link tho. Some good summaries.

[QUOTE=Hungre123;3014715]Yea I understand there's a whole subculture to this. I'm mainly just trying to find out what percent are bot, pro or legit. The bots seem fairly easy. I guess on a site like that there's often a thin between amateur and pro. There's one 18 yr old I met who I'm pretty sure is walking that line. She just seems a liitle to familiar with this game for being such a young age.

Thanks for the link tho. Some good summaries.[/QUOTE]Not sure anyone can give you an actual breakdown on percentage because to do that you have to a have a fixed definition of a sb. Everyone here seems to have their own definition. The pros and utr girls grow everyday while true sb's are hard to find.

Hey Guys,

I've been talking with this young lady from the Arlington VA area for a couple of weeks. Had a M&G scheduled but then she cancelled day before. But says she really wants to meet. I'm in Richmond VA and before I roll up to DC, I was wondering if anyone has met her or has any experience. Trying to save myself some time and money if possible. You can PM me if you don't want to share info publicly.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/1734447a-787c-9a58-a742-9a8b9f800af0[/URL]

Stay Safe,

Starkey.

[QUOTE=Starkey2008;3016609]Hey Guys,

I've been talking with this young lady from the Arlington VA area for a couple of weeks. Had a M&G scheduled but then she cancelled day before. But says she really wants to meet. I'm in Richmond VA and before I roll up to DC, I was wondering if anyone has met her or has any experience. Trying to save myself some time and money if possible. You can PM me if you don't want to share info publicly.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/1734447a-787c-9a58-a742-9a8b9f800af0[/URL]

Stay Safe,

Starkey.[/QUOTE][URL]https://twitter.com/unnnjeee[/URL]

[QUOTE=Starkey2008;3016609]Hey Guys,

I've been talking with this young lady from the Arlington VA area for a couple of weeks. Had a M&G scheduled but then she cancelled day before. But says she really wants to meet. I'm in Richmond VA and before I roll up to DC, I was wondering if anyone has met her or has any experience. Trying to save myself some time and money if possible. You can PM me if you don't want to share info publicly.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/1734447a-787c-9a58-a742-9a8b9f800af0[/URL]

Stay Safe,

Starkey.[/QUOTE][URL]https://twitter.com/unnnjeee[/URL]

[QUOTE=Cabsauv1997;3017126]https://twitter.com/######[/QUOTE]Thanks! I've got all of her social media. Just wondering about actual direct contact in person. Trying to see if she is a flake or if anyone has been successful in actually meeting with her.

BTW - I'm not trying to out her actual identity. You should remove her twitter link from your original posts...

Stay Safe.

Starkey.

[QUOTE=Starkey2008;3017554]Thanks! I've got all of her social media. Just wondering about actual direct contact in person. Trying to see if she is a flake or if anyone has been successful in actually meeting with her.

BTW - I'm not trying to out her actual identity. You should remove her twitter link from your original posts...

Stay Safe.

Starkey.[/QUOTE]Dude,

What's with all the foot dragging? She seems like a totally fuckable HYB! Set up the m&g, bring along FC funds and condoms, and go for it. To my eye, she is HOT with two T's, and seems to like getting fucked by older guys. She even mentions her Daddy in her twitter posts. This is the proverbial fish in a barrel in my opinion. I'd drive down there myself if I could spare the time!

Report back with details of your success.

Scott.

[QUOTE=Starkey2008;3017554]Thanks! I've got all of her social media. Just wondering about actual direct contact in person. Trying to see if she is a flake or if anyone has been successful in actually meeting with her.

BTW - I'm not trying to out her actual identity. You should remove her twitter link from your original posts...

Stay Safe.

Starkey.[/QUOTE]Don't seem to be able to edit my post, sorry. I only shared the twitter so you'd see that she's claiming going off to school. I contacted her and she said she was staying. I think when she saw that I could see she was posting conflicting info, she flaked. Also recently deleted her snapchat.

[QUOTE=Starkey2008;3017554]Thanks! I've got all of her social media. Just wondering about actual direct contact in person. Trying to see if she is a flake or if anyone has been successful in actually meeting with her.

BTW - I'm not trying to out her actual identity. You should remove her twitter link from your original posts...

Stay Safe.

Starkey.[/QUOTE]Not my area so not interested in that one in particular, but just wondering what techniques you used to track all of her info like that? I can sometimes get face etc. With a number but that's usually all?

[QUOTE=FScott;3018842]Dude,

What's with all the foot dragging? She seems like a totally fuckable HYB! Set up the m&g, bring along FC funds and condoms, and go for it. To my eye, she is HOT with two T's, and seems to like getting fucked by older guys. She even mentions her Daddy in her twitter posts. This is the proverbial fish in a barrel in my opinion. I'd drive down there myself if I could spare the time!

Report back with details of your success.

Scott.[/QUOTE]Had an M&G scheduled and then she cancelled the morning of. Then a couple of hours later she starts texting that she really wants to reschedule ASAP. Now she seems to have cold feet. I can't tie her down. That's why I was just trying to see if anyone has actually been able to actually meet. I'm starting to think she's a tease. But I'm with you. She's smoking hot and seems ready to go. It's the only reason I've made so much effort. I'll keep you posted.

Starkey.

[QUOTE=Tc9869;3019558]Not my area so not interested in that one in particular, but just wondering what techniques you used to track all of her info like that? I can sometimes get face etc. With a number but that's usually all?[/QUOTE]TC. Look back at my posts and you will see a thread from a couple of months ago where several of us shared techniques for research.

Starkey.

[QUOTE=Cabsauv1997;3019091]Don't seem to be able to edit my post, sorry. I only shared the twitter so you'd see that she's claiming going off to school. I contacted her and she said she was staying. I think when she saw that I could see she was posting conflicting info, she flaked. Also recently deleted her snapchat.[/QUOTE]I think you were blocked. I'm still seeing Snaps from her on a regular basis. If you indicated you were following her on social media by discussing info she didn't tell you, she probably figured out who you were and blocked you.

Starkey.

[QUOTE=Starkey2008;3020806]Had an M&G scheduled and then she cancelled the morning of. Then a couple of hours later she starts texting that she really wants to reschedule ASAP. Now she seems to have cold feet. I can't tie her down. That's why I was just trying to see if anyone has actually been able to actually meet. I'm starting to think she's a tease. But I'm with you. She's smoking hot and seems ready to go. It's the only reason I've made so much effort. I'll keep you posted.

Starkey.[/QUOTE]Brother Stark,

This is new and crucial intel. NOW I'm thinking one of two things: this girl is either a UTR pro, or just likes jerking guys around instead of jerking them off. The last minute cancellations, followed by the protestations that she "really wants to reschedule" is a warning bell to me. I chased a similar little bunny a few years back to no avail. If she is UTR, she'll go for the John in the Hand over the Meet for Coffee John in the Bush in an instant.

I think you need to rely on your local brothers for additional insight, but for what it's worth, this one now seems like mostly effort, and very little, if any, reward.

I hope I'm wrong, and I look forward to your post that proves me so.

Scott.

This is an old post I found by looking for more hints about how to keep under the radar. I wonder what the 3 years later assessment is. I feel I am taking a calculated risk b / c not being in the bowl means a certainty of not having any even barely adequate sex, and I can't really go to my grave that way. I am taking all the precautions I've learned from you masters, but I mess up times too. See my post in the LA thread about ModelMilf.

[QUOTE=JohnGSmith;1812235]I want to start my post off by quoting the TV show The Wire:

'The thing is, you only got to fuck up once. Be a little slow, be a little late, just once. And how you ain't going to never be slow, never be late? You can't plan for no shit like this man, it's life. '

Well I finally was a little slow, a little late. Ironically just like AliasSM I left behind a potential damaging piece of evidence of my escapades.

My SO was cleaning my shorts and she found a hotel card (not a key) with the address and that had a room number written on it. It was actually left over from when I saw my Euro Baby many weeks ago. Most likely in the after-glow of that heavenly experience, I didn't properly clean out all my pockets of papers. So my SO discovered the card yesterday morning and confronted me on it. I denied, denied, denied. The card just had the hotel address and a room number written on there, but it didn't contain my name or have any date. It was a dangerous piece of circumstantial evidence, but it fell short of a "Smoking Gun" because it still couldn't place me at a time and place. The hotel itself was 30-40 miles away, so it wasn't exactly a place I could go easily on a lunch break or something (to her knowledge at least).

I simply I said I didn't recognize the card. I might have picked it up or been given it as a scratch piece of paper since the backside was blank. I denied any knowledge of the hotel and said I had a faint recognition of even having the card. When you get caught with evidence against you, THE FIRST 10. 15 MINUTES ARE CRITICAL! I acted calm but not dismissive either. I said I simply didn't remember getting the card and I could have even got it when I was with her out somewhere. I then suggested she do a google maps of the hotel. After that, I'm guessing that suggestion and my overall demeanor put her at ease. Her mood changed again to more upbeat. And then throughout the rest of the day she was actually in a very good mood and I was obviously careful not to ruin it. It hasn't been 24 hours so I don't know if I'm completely out of the woods, but after the first 10. 15 minutes, she never brought it up at all throughout the entire day. And she's the type of person who can't hide their emotions, so when she's mad / angry / disappointed, you'll know. As others have said, most SOs want to believe you. Denial will get you very very far but if you panic in that first 10. 15 minutes, the issue may not be pushed aside so easily.

Just like AliasSM, I've been seeing escorts and AMP girls off and on for close to a decade. I was never ever in serious danger of getting caught by SO. LEO was probably the biggest threat for exposure. But I've been in the Sugar World for just under 2 years and I finally had a very close call. I'd like to welcome new guys like John Handcock, but you should be warned as soon as you step into the sugar bowl, you've activated a hidden time bomb. The detonation time may be unknown, but it will go off at some point. That is certain. You just have to hope when it does, you just get hit with shrapnel or a non-lethal wound and it doesn't take off a limb or blow your head off. Meaning at some point, you're going to be a little slow and little late and you're going to leave some crucial evidence behind. It might be in the form of a hotel receipt, a condom, sugar phone, chat text, designer finger nail, a psycho SB, a STD from barebacking, and etc. There's so many moving parts that it's pretty much impossible to play this game for any length of time and not get scathed in some way or another.

Yes the sugar world has a bit of glitz and glamor of banging college hotties and young MILFs and having you're own personal stable. But before you jump in head first, you need to decide if you're married, are you willing to risk your marriage for this lifestyle? If you're in the sugar for more than 3-4 months, you have a 50% chance of exposure and / or suspicions by your SO. If you're in the game for more than a year, it goes up to damn near 90. Most of us are just happy if we can keep the suspicions low enough so the SO can look the other way. But one critical mistake can throw that out the window.

My point is Mr Handcock or any others new to the bowl, if you have a happy marriage that you don't want to tarnish, stay away from the bowl. This is a seductive but a very high risk activity. I think sometimes some of us vet members here need to do a better job of cautioning our new arrivals. The challenges aren't just in the pursuit of the SB pussy but also not destabilizing your home life in the process. If you have a home life that you want to preserve unscathed, think very long and hard before you decide to be a sugar daddy.[/QUOTE]