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[QUOTE=ORTailBlazer;5265433]I am starting to see that. To all of you wanting info but not helping provide it? Come on, start helping out. I will not reply to anybody who has not reviewed.
I may not be as detailed in my experiences next time. I go on certain days and never had it busy at any place. I will try again in a few weeks. When service goes down often times people move on. LaLa is on. The list LOL so I have to visit again.[/QUOTE]I guess I know where I am not going tonight.
[QUOTE=MeeLikeeAsians;5265318]Well that place went bad quickly. All it took was 3 reports from myself and two others and now the newest great place is a f'ing mess. [/QUOTE]Went there today unplanned because the little head was interested and wanted to meet the little curvie cutie so I was like awww f it, I'll do my part in contributing to our local small businesses. Can confirm place went bad quickly, just swarmed. I managed to get in after walking in and seeing one guy on his way out after being turned away and both girls going in disperse mode to clear the place. The girls must have liked me or something because they told me to sit in the lobby chair and while in the motion of sitting down seconds later the girls tossed me over to girls' alcove hiding while they sent two guys out and another that walked in and turned away. My session even got cut short, both girls telling me about how busy it was.
The place on Saltzman, behind DQ has been there for quite a while but this was my first time there. I recently reported that my favorite at Lucky has been moved so I was hoping to find something decent in the area. There was a recent review for the DQ place that made it look promising. I walked in and a slightly plump, mid 30's lady came out to greet me. Based on the description of the previous positive review, I was hoping for the older of the two. I had stopped in a week ago to check it out and had been offered a $10 first time discount. I asked about that and she hesitated and then went to ask about it. The older lady came out of the other room with a mask and goggles. She was wearing something like chem lab goggles. Either she's super paranoid or there was something crazy going on in there. I'm guessing the former.
The younger one led me to a back room and told me to wait 20 minutes. I started to take my coat off and then she told me to just wait. I was still curious who I would end up with. In about 20 minutes the younger one did come back and get me and led me to the room by the desk. The massage was OK but the nicest thing was that she spoke decent English so we could actually have a conversation and she was pleasant to talk to. The mask stayed on the entire massage. She didn't care if mine stayed on or not. The massage was decent with no teasing. I was resigned to just getting a massage. Finally, the flip and now she started with the light touch and moved down and asked if I wanted a massage there. Sure thing. OK HJ. 60 house fee with discount and 40 tip. It was OK but I'll keep looking.
[QUOTE=MeeLikeeAsians;5265318]Well that place went bad quickly. All it took was 3 reports from myself and two others and now the newest great place is a f'ing mess. My previous visit to sunshine was a quiet, relaxed, experience where I was the only customer. As was the experience for the other two guys from what they wrote. Just went back for my second visit and to add Tattoo onto my list at #17, which I did, but good f'ing god. Both ladies were busy and four of you guys came in within the first 10 minutes of my session. Plus two more while I was fucking the shit out of Tattoo. She cut my session from an hour down to 30 minutes (yes, she refunded the difference).
Should've known a few good reports would cause a f'ing flood of mongers to one spot. Prob won't be sharing reports as much in the future but feel free to PM me if you've got info to trade and I'll be happy to share via that channel.
Good hunting.[/QUOTE]Honestly this is why I have started to mainly share the "great" services I have had at places with senior members who I have chatted with, or shared stuff with me. I am fucking tired of going into one of the spots and, either finding service has gone to shit, or the ladies are just to busy. Was going to goto Scholls tomorrow, to spend some tie with one of the ladies for my third time. However, I will go elsewhere.
BTW if you have less than like 10 or so posts, and none of it was actually useful in some form (good or bad), I will not respond to your message.
I went here and left pretty sad. Almost left when an older gal greeted me but she made it seem like someone else might be in the back to do my massage, I should've known better. Massage was "ok. " She tried her darndest on the flip but the chemistry wasn't there or something. Spent 1. 2 total. I did see a smaller, younger gal peek her head out, maybe I'll try again, I dunno.
Visited here a couple weeks ago and forgot to report. The experience was fine but I don't think I'll repeat. Middle aged gal, decent massage, on the flip she put too much pressure on the boys so I kept spreading my legs father apart to relieve it. As soon as she stuck a finger in back there, instant finish.
That's all I got. I want to go back to Thailand for a couple months or more.
[QUOTE=MeeLikeeAsians;5265318]Well that place went bad quickly. All it took was 3 reports from myself and two others and now the newest great place is a f'ing mess. My previous visit to sunshine was a quiet, relaxed, experience where I was the only customer. As was the experience for the other two guys from what they wrote. Just went back for my second visit and to add Tattoo onto my list at #17, which I did, but good f'ing god. Both ladies were busy and four of you guys came in within the first 10 minutes of my session. Plus two more while I was fucking the shit out of Tattoo. She cut my session from an hour down to 30 minutes (yes, she refunded the difference).
Should've known a few good reports would cause a f'ing flood of mongers to one spot. Prob won't be sharing reports as much in the future but feel free to PM me if you've got info to trade and I'll be happy to share via that channel.
Good hunting.[/QUOTE]So let me get this straight. You've never gone to a spot after reading positive feedback on it posted here? Isn't that the point of posting reviews and feedback here? And now you're criticizing the guys that are following up on the feedback you posted because they came in, coincidentally, at the same time Your Highness was present? Get off your high horse.
[QUOTE=MeeLikeeAsians;5265318]Well that place went bad quickly. All it took was 3 reports from myself and two others and now the newest great place is a f'ing mess. My previous visit to sunshine was a quiet, relaxed, experience where I was the only customer. As was the experience for the other two guys from what they wrote. Just went back for my second visit and to add Tattoo onto my list at #17, which I did, but good f'ing god. Both ladies were busy and four of you guys came in within the first 10 minutes of my session. Plus two more while I was fucking the shit out of Tattoo. She cut my session from an hour down to 30 minutes (yes, she refunded the difference).
Should've known a few good reports would cause a f'ing flood of mongers to one spot. Prob won't be sharing reports as much in the future but feel free to PM me if you've got info to trade and I'll be happy to share via that channel.
Good hunting.[/QUOTE]Of course we're going to swarm the place, it doesn't have much competition for this level of service, and Mama-san is going to find she's sitting on a gold mine. Ladies we haven't seen, that are young and good-looking, who provide what we really want at a relatively cheap rate? Yeah, there's no way we're going to pass that up. It's simple supply and demand.
This isn't Seattle or Tacoma, where FS is offered at many locations. Before sunshine, we only had Aurora and maybe another place that were guaranteed fun-houses, but with expensive prices; I wouldn't be surprised for the low prices we're seeing at sunshine to last long either. If more of Portland's AMP's offered this level of service, new places like sunshine wouldn't get swamped nearly so badly.
For those being shorted on time: if you're there only for the tug and not the rub, just ask for the 30 minute session. You're done in half the time and won't get shorted, plus more mongers can see the in-demand ladies.
[QUOTE=MeeLikeeAsians;5265318]Well that place went bad quickly. All it took was 3 reports from myself and two others and now the newest great place is a f'ing mess. My previous visit to sunshine was a quiet, relaxed, experience where I was the only customer. As was the experience for the other two guys from what they wrote. Just went back for my second visit and to add Tattoo onto my list at #17, which I did, but good f'ing god. Both ladies were busy and four of you guys came in within the first 10 minutes of my session. Plus two more while I was fucking the shit out of Tattoo. She cut my session from an hour down to 30 minutes (yes, she refunded the difference).
Should've known a few good reports would cause a f'ing flood of mongers to one spot. Prob won't be sharing reports as much in the future but feel free to PM me if you've got info to trade and I'll be happy to share via that channel.
Good hunting.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear that it has gotten crazy there but thanks for the report. I hope the board members and you as well keep sharing reports as this is what this board is about is sharing and giving reports / feedback of our experiences. I do feel your pain to get a session cut short is fu# at up.
Even if she did refund part, most of us only have so much time and we are there to enjoy the time we paid for!
Maybe going at off hours can help, many times if I know it is a busy place I will tray to go first thing in the morning, Mornings seem to be much better for me than say at noon. I had one place where my regular would come in early for me, this worked out for almost a year before she moved. Well anyway thanks again for sharing.
Was in NW yesterday afternoon and decided to give this place a try (newer) My mistake decent legit massage no teasing and standard mechanical finish. Won't repeat.
Stay safe.
[QUOTE=Wagnerb;5266130]Of course we're going to swarm the place, it doesn't have much competition for this level of service, and Mama-san is going to find she's sitting on a gold mine. Ladies we haven't seen, that are young and good-looking, who provide what we really want at a relatively cheap rate? Yeah, there's no way we're going to pass that up. It's simple supply and demand.
This isn't Seattle or Tacoma, where FS is offered at many locations. Before sunshine, we only had Aurora and maybe another place that were guaranteed fun-houses, but with expensive prices; I wouldn't be surprised for the low prices we're seeing at sunshine to last long either. If more of Portland's AMP's offered this level of service, new places like sunshine wouldn't get swamped nearly so badly.
For those being shorted on time: if you're there only for the tug and not the rub, just ask for the 30 minute session. You're done in half the time and won't get shorted, plus more mongers can see the in-demand ladies.[/QUOTE]Jesus, there are at least four places within 6 miles of there where FS can be had. Maybe nit as hot, but it can be had. FS isn't as mythic as it used to be in this area.
[QUOTE=Bhanson475;5266288]Was in NW yesterday afternoon and decided to give this place a try (newer) My mistake decent legit massage no teasing and standard mechanical finish. Won't repeat.
Stay safe.[/QUOTE]Is she still peddling the lie that the advertised table shower will be in next month?
Pretty good massage, though.
[QUOTE=MeeLikeeAsians;5265318]Well that place went bad quickly. All it took was 3 reports from myself and two others and now the newest great place is a f'ing mess.
Should've known a few good reports would cause a f'ing flood of mongers to one spot.[/QUOTE]Guess it's a good time to say this, and it should really be more of a reminder as it should be common etiquette, but if you're going to hit up a spot, be considerate and call ahead to (try and) book your spot. Lets the ladies plan, makes it less likely for you to have awkward waits or run ins at the lobby, and cuts out the time wasted from stopping a massage, going to the lobby, and telling you to come back later.
In my experience, ladies are also more likely to recognize and like you if you call in.
Anyway, if anyone has the name of the curvy one at the bright place, would appreciate if you let me know in a PM. Lala's great, but I want to give her a go.
[QUOTE=Bhanson475;5266288]Was in NW yesterday afternoon and decided to give this place a try (newer) My mistake decent legit massage no teasing and standard mechanical finish. Won't repeat.[/QUOTE]Who'd you get? Bob haircut? Went there about 3 weeks ago and it was a great massage, with a nice finish. Better with her hands than majority I've seen. Bit of a stiff personality, but she was the only one working and busy, apparently. Wasn't really about the tease, but while covered on the flip, she noticed the muscle trying to get her attention and asked "here too?" Nice girl.
Went back to this place only because my reg spot was closing up early. On the flip she asked the question and quoted 100 I laughed and after about 15 minutes of haggling got her down to 60 which is still way too much. Needless to say H. E. Was just her mashing my little friend until I decided I would rather blow ofg some steam in her mouth just to shut her the fuck up. Anyways all in all I spent to much and now I know for sure that I will not be back ever again. Would rather risk an STD from a criddler on 82nd than deal with that shitshow again. Also place is located off of division.
[QUOTE=WestSidePunter;5266977]Is she still peddling the lie that the advertised table shower will be in next month?
Pretty good massage, though.[/QUOTE]Yes she said $20 more for table shower.
I declined.
[QUOTE=DollyKillKill;5267895]Went back to this place only because my reg spot was closing up early. On the flip she asked the question and quoted 100 I laughed and after about 15 minutes of haggling got her down to 60 which is still way too much. Needless to say H. E. Was just her mashing my little friend until I decided I would rather blow ofg some steam in her mouth just to shut her the fuck up. Anyways all in all I spent to much and now I know for sure that I will not be back ever again. Would rather risk an STD from a criddler on 82nd than deal with that shitshow again. Also place is located off of division.[/QUOTE]
Totally agreed on this one, I have not been back since maybe last Aug. Or Sept., pay the house fee and no massage skill and wanted 80 tip for 30 minutes crappy HJ, gave her 40 and walked out.
Can get FS at every place on div and about half of them on 82 and a couple on powell too, go elsewhere guys with your hard earned dollars.
[QUOTE=SnAppleMgfm;5267411]Guess it's a good time to say this, and it should really be more of a reminder as it should be common etiquette, but if you're going to hit up a spot, be considerate and call ahead to (try and) book your spot. Lets the ladies plan, makes it less likely for you to have awkward waits or run ins at the lobby, and cuts out the time wasted from stopping a massage, going to the lobby, and telling you to come back later.
In my experience, ladies are also more likely to recognize and like you if you call in.
Anyway, if anyone has the name of the curvy one at the bright place, would appreciate if you let me know in a PM. Lala's great, but I want to give her a go.
Who'd you get? Bob haircut? Went there about 3 weeks ago and it was a great massage, with a nice finish. Better with her hands than majority I've seen. Bit of a stiff personality, but she was the only one working and busy, apparently. Wasn't really about the tease, but while covered on the flip, she noticed the muscle trying to get her attention and asked "here too?" Nice girl.[/QUOTE]No reason to call ahead. Do they ever say no? A phone call is still going to interrupt someone's massage.
Drive by if you see cars out front go someplace else it's that simple for most spots. Go on a Monday or Tues, or in the mornings when they are never busy. Find a girl you like ask here where she stays. If they stay on site they usually don't have a car. If they stay elsewhere, they usually have a car and are generally quite open to hanging out at your place after hours.
[QUOTE=Trux1;5268526]No reason to call ahead. Do they ever say no? A phone call is still going to interrupt someone's massage.
Drive by if you see cars out front go someplace else it's that simple for most spots. Go on a Monday or Tues, or in the mornings when they are never busy. Find a girl you like ask here where she stays. If they stay on site they usually don't have a car. If they stay elsewhere, they usually have a car and are generally quite open to hanging out at your place after hours.[/QUOTE]If they have the cell, they can answer it during the massage. Have had girls take a call while on the flip and kept going. And yes, I have had some say "no, free in so-and-so minutes," or "come back at x o'clock. " I'm not going to waste my time driving around looking at the parking and waiting until it's empty, nor am I going to just go at certain times of the day. If I feel like having a good time, I'm going in. A call gets you the info you need and a sure session, while wasting minimal amount of someone else's time.
Agree with you. Why this bashing!
Days when I was new same person was rude asking me to post more before sending an I'm to enquire.
I've helped many on PMs without bothering to see how much they have contributed after all. Many helped me back too.
If you post or not this will go on. There are a lot of positive people here and thanks to that.
[QUOTE=Swim88;5265844]So let me get this straight. You've never gone to a spot after reading positive feedback on it posted here? Isn't that the point of posting reviews and feedback here? And now you're criticizing the guys that are following up on the feedback you posted because they came in, coincidentally, at the same time Your Highness was present? Get off your high horse.[/QUOTE]
I guess I managed to sample the Sunshine before the storm hit. Well, it was a very pleasant experience. I was absolutely shocked by how beautiful the girls were, and the one I get had the tighest, plumpest caboose ever. Unfortunately, I guess I won't be returning anytime soon now with all the heal on the place. Shame, most places are a dreary drive from where where I live, but this was close, so I was hoping it could replace my other two places which were pretty meh. For those of you that want to risk it however, it was indeed the best experience I've had in Portland.
Though, honestly, that's just sad to admit. Probably going to move on at some point.
[QUOTE=Trux1;5268526]No reason to call ahead. Do they ever say no? A phone call is still going to interrupt someone's massage.
Drive by if you see cars out front go someplace else it's that simple for most spots. Go on a Monday or Tues, or in the mornings when they are never busy. Find a girl you like ask here where she stays. If they stay on site they usually don't have a car. If they stay elsewhere, they usually have a car and are generally quite open to hanging out at your place after hours.[/QUOTE]If they live on site, I'd be worried the place is involved in human trafficking. 😬 That's a deal-breaker for me.
Who got that 4 hand dream yesterday around 2?
Downtown Vancouver this morning, sitting in from of the front door of Wellness. Not a place there is any reason to go to anyways but figured I'd give a heads up.
[QUOTE=Phantxtc;5269454]If they live on site, I'd be worried the place is involved in human trafficking. 😬 That's a deal-breaker for me.[/QUOTE]It is for me as well.
I talk with the girls. The story I always get is that they come out for six months or a year at a time to make money and staying on site saves them a huge amount of money. I know some of the women live off site at the owners home as well. One of the ones in Vancouver is a one woman place, she's been living inside for six or seven years.
The ones that do have their own homes here typically live in far nicer houses than I'd expect.
Do with that what you will.
Been to this place a couple of times before the recent hype.
First time I got a skinny older gal wearing a short dress. English was really bad but she was very nice and eager. Did half with the table shower option (there is a $20 up charge for this BTW) . The table shower was very quick probably wouldn't recommend it with her but I prefer to be nice and fresh before a session. Massage wasn't bad, a lot of teasing right away so I knew this was a for sure home run. On the flip I think she wanted started at 1. 4 but we closed at 1. Awesome oral skills and everything else was great! She was just a little too skinny and a little too old for my taste but I guess I wouldn't mine going back.
Second time I got the infamous Anna. English was better but still had to use google translate for some fine details. This time I did full hour with table shower. Table shower session was just a little bit better and a lot of teasing. On the massage she also offered a ton of teasing right away, was actually pretty nice! On the flip she wanted like 1. 6 and we got down to 1. 2 probably due to her high demand lately. All and all it wasn't bad but time was cut a little short maybe 15 mins. Seems like a nice reliable go to spot but prob won't be back for awhile. I think they also recently got somebody new?
[QUOTE=PdxPerson;5265787]I went here and left pretty sad. Almost left when an older gal greeted me but she made it seem like someone else might be in the back to do my massage, I should've known better. Massage was "ok. " She tried her darndest on the flip but the chemistry wasn't there or something. Spent 1. 2 total. I did see a smaller, younger gal peek her head out, maybe I'll try again, I dunno.[/QUOTE]I went in requesting Cici but guess she wasn't working or might of moved on? They had 1 guy at the front desk hanging something up but had 3 girls working. I said I would come back and brought out the other girls. Seemed really pushy so I moved on. Also it sucks how much foot traffic they get around that area. They need a back door LOL.
Visited Sunshine before 11:00 am and the person at the desk said they were only offering 30 minute sessions because it was busy. She was busty, curvy, and very cute. I wish I'd gotten her name. Instead I was matched with LaLa, and believe me I had no complaints. Lean, tight body, creamy skin to go with some very attractive body art. We started with a subdued back massage. We then started talking about services. I opted for full service and a GFE experience. Overall I had a very positive experience. LaLa would like to see me again. I would like to also. But does anyone know the name of the curvy girl?
Paid a visit to one of the spots on Lancaster in Salem. Trim youngish (late 30's?) young lady in jeans answered the door and did my massage. Pretty standard rubdown with light teasing (don't think she was sure about me). As we were getting close to the end she had to let in another customer (put him in another room) and then whispered that I needed to stay quiet and went right into the HE. No discussion on price at all, but I gave her. 6 which she seemed happy with.
[QUOTE=PdxPerson;5265787]I went here and left pretty sad. Almost left when an older gal greeted me but she made it seem like someone else might be in the back to do my massage, I should've known better. Massage was "ok. " She tried her darndest on the flip but the chemistry wasn't there or something. Spent 1. 2 total. I did see a smaller, younger gal peek her head out, maybe I'll try again, I dunno.[/QUOTE]Anyone know where anna from here went to? She was there Oct. / Nov. / Dec., thanks a pm would be great if anyone knows.
Looks like a change in staffing? Coco is still there, new girl jessica is slender and decent english, no utc options maybe a couple visits it may change. Seems like they are trying to elevate tipping amounts the last couple times I was there from the standard handy tip. I don't like getting pinched on time because "its busy now " then get hit for more tip too, I wonder where dora went to anyone know?
The boss will never tell you because they want you to keep coming back and the other girls know but will rarely say.
Visited CNE a few weeks ago and saw Anna. Asked for FS and was quoted 1. 0. When I said "ok", she asked if I had a condom, which I didn't so then she refused and finished up with a basic HE. Pouted when I tipped. 4.
Went back today with 1. 0 and a condom, but now she says FS is 2. 0.
Fuck that. YMMV, but bait and switch seems to be the practice there. Enter at your own risk.
[QUOTE=MeeLikeeAsians;5273090]Visited CNE a few weeks ago and saw Anna. Asked for FS and was quoted 1. 0. When I said "ok", she asked if I had a condom, which I didn't so then she refused and finished up with a basic HE. Pouted when I tipped. 4.
Went back today with 1. 0 and a condom, but now she says FS is 2. 0.
Fuck that. YMMV, but bait and switch seems to be the practice there. Enter at your own risk.[/QUOTE]I like Anna a lot, but she is bad about promising the work and not delivering.
Fucked her once. I'd do it again, especially if I could hit that first price point.
The new place on NE 82nd, crossing with Utopia bar near bus stop. I was there and see Bella, she is beautiful. After flip, she ask me for fun, she asked for 2. 0 for hand. I said no. Second visit I met the another young girl with scar on thigh. Her boss (male) was outside. She asked me a ride with her under wear on without touch her butterfly with 1. 0. I don't have plan to be back.
Called ahead and determined it was slow. I got there at about noon just when the young one was leaving. The older one (when I say older, I mean early thirties. Maybe? Was there by herself. I paid for a 30 minute massage. After undressing I jumped on the table and laid there, sword in the air. Received a good cowgirl. I tried kissing her and she was having none of it. I gave her 1. 4. Not bad. Head game was strong. She paid attention to the boys. I'd go back, especially for that other one.
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[QUOTE=Pillar7601;5271617]Visited Sunshine before 11:00 am and the person at the desk said they were only offering 30 minute sessions because it was busy. She was busty, curvy, and very cute. I wish I'd gotten her name. Instead I was matched with LaLa, and believe me I had no complaints. Lean, tight body, creamy skin to go with some very attractive body art. We started with a subdued back massage. We then started talking about services. I opted for full service and a GFE experience. Overall I had a very positive experience. LaLa would like to see me again. I would like to also. But does anyone know the name of the curvy girl?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report, so are they not doing hour shows?
[QUOTE=MeeLikeeAsians;5273090]Visited CNE a few weeks ago and saw Anna. Asked for FS and was quoted 1. 0. When I said "ok", she asked if I had a condom, which I didn't so then she refused and finished up with a basic HE. Pouted when I tipped. 4.
Went back today with 1. 0 and a condom, but now she says FS is 2. 0.
Fuck that. YMMV, but bait and switch seems to be the practice there. Enter at your own risk.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report, yes it sucks to get the old bait and switch, it seems like it is getting more common.
It sounds like we all should bring a rain coat to the meeting just incase. Most providers have covers in stock.
I had the bad experience of not having one and got a plastic covered BJ and wow it was the worst experience BJ I have ever had, is she will not do a bbj and pulls out the plastic wrap I will have a ultra thin rain coat ready!
Stopped in last week and did a 30 min session with table shower. Pulled a gal in her 40's probably with a nice rack and perky nipples. I wanted the table shower first since I was visiting after a run. Got lots of teasing on the table shower but couldn't get more. Then proceeded to get a back rub, not massage, followed by a slow topless HE with lots of playing for 5. She suggested more but we couldn't agree on the price. She told me "next time."
Does anyone know of a good spot for a serious massage and HE? I know a good massage and BJ, FS, etc are not common but I need a serious massage and am hoping someone knows a place that at least does a handy.
[QUOTE=FunGuy6;5253803]Just curious if anyone has tried out Starlight on Barbur? The video on their website looks promising, but don't like that table shower is $20 extra.[/QUOTE]Went once. 40's maybe 50's. Very flirty. Standard pricing but my session got cut short when someone else came in.
[QUOTE=JustLookingOR;5274774]Stopped in last week and did a 30 min session with table shower. Pulled a gal in her 40's probably with a nice rack and perky nipples. I wanted the table shower first since I was visiting after a run. Got lots of teasing on the table shower but couldn't get more. Then proceeded to get a back rub, not massage, followed by a slow topless HE with lots of playing for 5. She suggested more but we couldn't agree on the price. She told me "next time."
Does anyone know of a good spot for a serious massage and HE? I know a good massage and BJ, FS, etc are not common but I need a serious massage and am hoping someone knows a place that at least does a handy.[/QUOTE]What part of town? A fair number of the ladies actually can give a great massage if you give them a chance. The now somewhat famous Mia that everyone was busy filling up gave a great legit massage.