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I like to give back to the community which I take so much from.
Volunteer at the holiday party for giving gifts and treats to the community.
Two of the local girls who are WSW recognized me. We exchanged pleasantries.
They hit me up privately afterwards. I gave them a generous donation. I was feeling charitable. They offered to return the favor but I declined.
Enjoy your holidays.
Does anyone have a rough timeline for all of this? If they filed the paperwork on Monday, when could one expect to get the summons in the mail if you are one of the unlucky 28? And when would the hearing with the magistrate take place?
Basically wondering when the rest of the group can breathe a temporary sigh of relief.
[QUOTE=CornPop;6725438]I like to give back to the community which I take so much from.
Volunteer at the holiday party for giving gifts and treats to the community.
Two of the local girls who are WSW recognized me. We exchanged pleasantries.
They hit me up privately afterwards. I gave them a generous donation. I was feeling charitable. They offered to return the favor but I declined.
Enjoy your holidays.[/QUOTE]Nice work. I'm sure when they see you again, they'll be providing extra service. The ones that I've repeated have given me more when I bought them something from McD or DD from a previous meet. Let's see what 2024 brings us. Streets have been quiet with no familiar faces. It's a hit or miss now.
[QUOTE=Comcast7777;6725504]Does anyone have a rough timeline for all of this? If they filed the paperwork on Monday, when could one expect to get the summons in the mail if you are one of the unlucky 28? And when would the hearing with the magistrate take place?
Basically wondering when the rest of the group can breathe a temporary sigh of relief.[/QUOTE]I would think you would've gotten one by now since it seems like it was Monday / Tuesday they filed the complaints (which open to media off a complaint?? Seems a little harsh) And mail in-state doesn't take all that long. My guess is the ones they stopped, plus anyone that sent money through zelle (I guess that was an option? Read that somewhere, Never would do that much since there was already enough of a paper trail to begin with). But I would think the best approach would be the "I was lonely and just wanted to hangout with a cute girl, no sex" would be a good defense since the texts don't totally state you are there for sex and as far as I know no video on the inside, they say you paid whatever it was for an hour of bb. Counter with I wanted the girl to get as much as she could but we just hungout watching kdramas (I actually did that once 🤣, I was bored leave me alone, got a whole 4 hours since she wasn't busy and it was early in the morning).
Then again I am no expert by any means, but I feel like agreeing to pay for time and actually agreeing to sex are totally different (image being summoned as a juror on this 🤣. Because I always answered in short hand and never more than needed (I. E person name, time and option, and saying here). Also apparently we are in the same class as elite and wealthy people? Would be rather awkward if after all that huffing and puffing about this being an "exclusive" club catering to the elite and weathly they only muster up slightly well off people (I. E construction workers, electricians, etc) I personally would not consider myself wealthy or elite by any means, I had to save money to visit them 🤣.
Also the statement I saw on the news "if they robbed a bank, they would be all over the news", really? Did you just compare a crime where you hold people hostage to just wanting to get laid? Also let's say they get what they want and every single person gets charged, what's the benefit? You scared people from an age group from risking it, guess what? In 5-20 years there's a new cycle of people and it starts all over again. It's sad when people are legit sex trafficked, but if you paying $100 and the girl looks strung out that doesn't seem happy and you went through someone else. That should throw up some red flags and is just wrong. It's the world's oldest profession. Most of them do it for quick money that would set them for life back home after a few years or feed a habit they developed of their own accord. I always assumed the reason the charges aren't harsh for mongers is because it's pointless, there's always someone new born. And men are simple creatures.
All in all, I think this is stupid and fueled by groups putting in their 2 cents to get on the band wagon. Of course I fall under the group at risk so I'm not totally carefree and am worried. But if it happens so be it, I don't expect much luck in this life. I'm not wealthy or elite 🤣, so my luck isn't up there obviously.
[QUOTE=Hyperion11;6725406]Where is that screenshot?[/QUOTE]I believe he is referring to this. There was a picture with 3 books, but can't find it.
I think the one advantage that people may potentially have is that anyone could send a picture of someone else and say it's them. Catfishing has been around since day 1 of the internet. Am I really going to get in trouble because someone sent a picture of me and claimed to be me and then possibly solicited an escort? There's no proof of who was actually on that end of the phone.
I go back and forth between whether people in this group need to get lucky to be passed over or if they just don't have the probable cause and that people in this group (didn't get pulled over, didn't pay with Zelle) are safe.
[QUOTE=ArtArt112;6726388]I would think you would've gotten one by now since it seems like it was Monday / Tuesday they filed the complaints (which open to media off a complaint?? Seems a little harsh) And mail in-state doesn't take all that long. My guess is the ones they stopped, plus anyone that sent money through zelle (I guess that was an option? Read that somewhere, Never would do that much since there was already enough of a paper trail to begin with). But I would think the best approach would be the "I was lonely and just wanted to hangout with a cute girl, no sex" would be a good defense since the texts don't totally state you are there for sex and as far as I know no video on the inside, they say you paid whatever it was for an hour of bb. Counter with I wanted the girl to get as much as she could but we just hungout watching kdramas (I actually did that once 🤣, I was bored leave me alone, got a whole 4 hours since she wasn't busy and it was early in the morning).[/QUOTE]
Please remove post if inappropriate. I don't know the correct forum to share news.
[URL]https://www.nefac.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/wbur-motion-for-access.pdf[/URL]
Has anyone involved received any paperwork yet?
[QUOTE=ArtArt112;6726407]I believe he is referring to this. There was a picture with 3 books, but can't find it.[/QUOTE]The one I was referring to you only need to watch the reporters vid to see it.
I saw a few ads that offer milking table massage, which is very interesting. I'm certain that it's a lot of fun and you can easily see what it is on any porn sites. Here's the thing. What if you can't see below the table. It could be a dude for all you know. Of course, if you can see that's perfectly fine. Here you are paying 300+, thinking the gorgeous lady is doing it, where it's someone else.
If anyone had experience with the milking tables, I would love to hear it.
[QUOTE=Comcast7777;6726429]I think the one advantage that people may potentially have is that anyone could send a picture of someone else and say it's them. Catfishing has been around since day 1 of the internet. Am I really going to get in trouble because someone sent a picture of me and claimed to be me and then possibly solicited an escort? There's no proof of who was actually on that end of the phone.
I go back and forth between whether people in this group need to get lucky to be passed over or if they just don't have the probable cause and that people in this group (didn't get pulled over, didn't pay with Zelle) are safe.[/QUOTE]1. Well and good, but when someone being interviewed by the FBI, perhaps under oath, doesn't know ALL the evidence they have. . . Are they willing to lie / perjure themselves with the "it wasn't me that sent that photo of me" line? What if they have an IP address or a cell phone location, etc etc. Not all are able to simply stfu and make LE prove EVERYTHING.
2. I would guess that many people at this point would not go public here with "I'll be in court in January. " They would have already had weeks and weeks of anxiety built up, family members, employers, and friends that either have found out or will. . . If it were me I'd not be still posting online about all this. But maybe that's just me.
[QUOTE=Bran001;6728105]1. Well and good, but when someone being interviewed by the FBI, perhaps under oath, doesn't know ALL the evidence they have. . . Are they willing to lie / perjure themselves with the "it wasn't me that sent that photo of me" line? What if they have an IP address or a cell phone location, etc etc. Not all are able to simply stfu and make LE prove EVERYTHING.
2. I would guess that many people at this point would not go public here with "I'll be in court in January. " They would have already had weeks and weeks of anxiety built up, family members, employers, and friends that either have found out or will. . . If it were me I'd not be still posting online about all this. But maybe that's just me.[/QUOTE]Why commit perjury.
"I wish to assert my 5th amendment privilege".
Why answer anything?
[QUOTE=LustyB;6728305]Why commit perjury.
"I wish to assert my 5th amendment privilege".
Why answer anything?[/QUOTE]As I said, not everyone has the "constitution" to do that. Many people want it to go away fast for obvious reasons. Particularly if one is married, has family members, and a workplace, that they wish to not find out. I'm not saying that's the "right" or "preferred" approach, but LE will dangle reasons for going down that path.
I have not and like you stated, milking table along with glory hole, you don't know who's sucking you off. Plus the price I see advertised for service is beyond ridiculous. Have fun yet count me as a hard NO.
[QUOTE=Mattis1775;6728070]I saw a few ads that offer milking table massage, which is very interesting. I'm certain that it's a lot of fun and you can easily see what it is on any porn sites. Here's the thing. What if you can't see below the table. It could be a dude for all you know. Of course, if you can see that's perfectly fine. Here you are paying 300+, thinking the gorgeous lady is doing it, where it's someone else.
If anyone had experience with the milking tables, I would love to hear it.[/QUOTE]
[URL]https://www.boston.com/news/crime/2023/12/27/man-robbed-trying-to-solicit-sex-hilton-hotel-boston-da-says/?p1=hp_featurestack[/URL]
Wow. This was pretty extreme, at the Hilton in Back Bay, a knife and a gun was involved. WTF. The Monger had guts to report this to the desk. Now, the the wants to prosecute him at a later date. They should be focusing heavily on the Escort and the asshole rather than the Monger. He just wanted sex. The girl and the asshole could've killed the guy. I wonder which ad she posted.
Be safe out there.
[QUOTE=Hobax;6727620]Please remove post if inappropriate. I don't know the correct forum to share news.
[URL]https://www.nefac.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/wbur-motion-for-access.pdf[/URL]
Has anyone involved received any paperwork yet?[/QUOTE]There is a new development: [URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/massachusetts-brothel-arrests-johns/[/URL].
They interviewed a "lawyer who represents some of them." If I heard right it means that paperwork should be in the mailboxes or soon to be.
Don't think so. Just says that people reached out to him when the news first broke. Nothing new in there.
[QUOTE=TheGodsDecree;6731135]There is a new development: [URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/massachusetts-brothel-arrests-johns/[/URL].
They interviewed a "lawyer who represents some of them." If I heard right it means that paperwork should be in the mailboxes or soon to be.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TheGodsDecree;6731135]There is a new development: [URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/massachusetts-brothel-arrests-johns/[/URL].
They interviewed a "lawyer who represents some of them." If I heard right it means that paperwork should be in the mailboxes or soon to be.[/QUOTE]"However, the Court has recognized the very limited exception where legitimate public interest outweighs the individuals' privacy rights. ".
FINE but why is Epstein LIST / client protected like Fort Knox.
[QUOTE=CCChunks;6732628]"However, the Court has recognized the very limited exception where legitimate public interest outweighs the individuals' privacy rights. ".
FINE but why is Epstein LIST / client protected like Fort Knox.[/QUOTE]People with more money and more power? I think that's it. Besides the few VIP they allegedly got in this case, the vast majority of us are insignificant people.
[QUOTE=CCChunks;6732628]"However, the Court has recognized the very limited exception where legitimate public interest outweighs the individuals' privacy rights. ".
FINE but why is Epstein LIST / client protected like Fort Knox.[/QUOTE]Dude you're not Prince Andrew, Alan Dershowitz, Donald Trump, Bill Clinton and other much more upstanding citizens than you and I. Remember "all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others" That's gospel.
[URL]https://whdh.com/news/police-arrest-3-people-in-dedham-after-state-troopers-hit-during-traffic-stop-in-boston/[/URL]
How many people do you think were shitting themselves seeing all the cops?
[QUOTE]
DEDHAM, MASS. (WHDH) - Police arrested three people in Dedham Monday after a routine traffic stop escalated in Boston, resulting in a close call for two state police troopers.
Police said the troopers initiated the traffic stop and were trying to speak to the driver when he sped off. Though the troopers were struck, both escaped serious injury.
State troopers quickly got three men in handcuffs, swarming the area around a Holiday Inn in Dedham as they did so.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ThizzleHats;6736724][URL]https://whdh.com/news/police-arrest-3-people-in-dedham-after-state-troopers-hit-during-traffic-stop-in-boston/[/URL]
How many people do you think were shitting themselves seeing all the cops?[/QUOTE]I see that address alot on the sites. I've seen a girl there couple years ago Waltham Dedham tatii. A chubby Brazilian.
But she was nice. We laid back on the bed and talked quite a bit. If she was around would I repeat? No.
But she was a chill girl, didn't feel like a waisted my money.
Few miles from there is the ARL I always go in person to make donations.
[QUOTE=Hans68;6736841]I see that address alot on the sites. I've seen a girl there couple years ago Waltham Dedham tatii. A chubby Brazilian.
But she was nice. We laid back on the bed and talked quite a bit. If she was around would I repeat? No.
But she was a chill girl, didn't feel like a waisted my money.
Few miles from there is the ARL I always go in person to make donations.[/QUOTE]That girls body wasn't the best but her head game was on point and she hooked me up with a ton of first-timers. I miss her and if she got back in the game I'd be on her in a second.
[QUOTE=CCChunks;6732628]"However, the Court has recognized the very limited exception where legitimate public interest outweighs the individuals' privacy rights. ".
FINE but why is Epstein LIST / client protected like Fort Knox.[/QUOTE]The lawyers should try to use epstein case as precedents.
"How do courts set precedent?
It is created by judges in their rulings when they write their decisions and give the reasoning behind them. These decisions are often called "opinions" and, in them, judges often cite precedents from other cases and statutes that influenced their decisions. ".
What's your goals for this year?
Here's mine:
- Limit, NMS. Yeah, it's hard because I drive through there every day. I'll pick girls up if I know them. But the new ladies, unless they look good, I'll make the move. Last few ladies were terrible and they were new. I've only had one or two out of the group that actually worked out. Selection is very limited and the quality has been extremely low.
- Stick with the regulars. I had a few ladies that I used to frequent. It's time to revisit the ones that I enjoyed. Much safer than the shit that's going on now. Getting tired of this BS Epstein, BTT and other sex related busts along with the releasing of the names drama. I'll still try a new one here and there. But more cautious.
- Save cash. Hard to do. But if you use any of those money budget apps, you'll quickly see how much money you spend on sex. Definitely worth it. But will limit the spending on more important items, like a car payment!
- Find a new hobby. Yeah, sex is fun. But like anything, it's getting old. May need to visit the strip clubs again to see some quality dancing (maybe).
Have fun, be safe and let's see what 2024 will bring us. Hopefully, more money back in our pockets if the government is saying they are giving us a tax break.
Even Newsweek recognizes the problem.
"NATO Nation Hit By 'Unprecedented' GPS Attack".
😝.
[QUOTE=Mattis1775;6737887]What's your goals for this year?
Here's mine:
- Limit, NMS. Yeah, it's hard because I drive through there every day. I'll pick girls up if I know them. But the new ladies, unless they look good, I'll make the move. Last few ladies were terrible and they were new. I've only had one or two out of the group that actually worked out. Selection is very limited and the quality has been extremely low.
- Stick with the regulars. I had a few ladies that I used to frequent. It's time to revisit the ones that I enjoyed. Much safer than the shit that's going on now. Getting tired of this BS Epstein, BTT and other sex related busts along with the releasing of the names drama. I'll still try a new one here and there. But more cautious.
- Save cash. Hard to do. But if you use any of those money budget apps, you'll quickly see how much money you spend on sex. Definitely worth it. But will limit the spending on more important items, like a car payment!
- Find a new hobby. Yeah, sex is fun. But like anything, it's getting old. May need to visit the strip clubs again to see some quality dancing (maybe).
Have fun, be safe and let's see what 2024 will bring us. Hopefully, more money back in our pockets if the government is saying they are giving us a tax break.[/QUOTE]
Spend less on girls is my goal also for 2024.
So I can go on trips.
I'm going to limit nms also but its not easy when you get the itch.
Massage places (providence) and escorts will have to be limited to once a month.
Or every five to six weeks.
I don't see this as a waste of money cause were doing it for our health, were not gambling ie lottery casinos, I hate that stuff.
I just don't have tons of money to spend.
Hobby: I personally like studying engineering, that big new york crane next to mgh is awesome.
Lets hope we get a tax break more $ in our pockets.
BTT a front for honeypots according to this article. Don't believe a word this article is writing about but thought it would be of interest to you all in Boston.
Take care.
[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12904363/Sex-ring-Boston-Virgiinia-honeypot-China-South-Korea-ensnare-officials.html[/URL]#article-12904363.
Interesting topic. Should this be a separate thread?
My goals won't resonate with most of you.
-Never repeat (that is, no regulars, of course). Repeating is how you get into trouble. The first date can never be outdone. And that is why we (or I) monger.
-Spend what you can. That's why we work and why we earn, right?
-Keep your other hobbies going (I have many), this isn't my only distraction (and it shouldn't be yours).
Happy New Year to all my monger friends!
[QUOTE=Mattis1775;6737887]What's your goals for this year?
Here's mine:
- Limit, NMS. Yeah, it's hard because I drive through there every day. I'll pick girls up if I know them. But the new ladies, unless they look good, I'll make the move. Last few ladies were terrible and they were new. I've only had one or two out of the group that actually worked out. Selection is very limited and the quality has been extremely low.
- Stick with the regulars. I had a few ladies that I used to frequent. It's time to revisit the ones that I enjoyed. Much safer than the shit that's going on now. Getting tired of this BS Epstein, BTT and other sex related busts along with the releasing of the names drama. I'll still try a new one here and there. But more cautious.
- Save cash. Hard to do. But if you use any of those money budget apps, you'll quickly see how much money you spend on sex. Definitely worth it. But will limit the spending on more important items, like a car payment!
- Find a new hobby. Yeah, sex is fun. But like anything, it's getting old. May need to visit the strip clubs again to see some quality dancing (maybe).
Have fun, be safe and let's see what 2024 will bring us. Hopefully, more money back in our pockets if the government is saying they are giving us a tax break.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GoneFishing888;6739223]BTT a front for honeypots according to this article. Don't believe a word this article is writing about but thought it would be of interest to you all in Boston.
Take care.
[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12904363/Sex-ring-Boston-Virgiinia-honeypot-China-South-Korea-ensnare-officials.html[/URL]#article-12904363.[/QUOTE]Hey, you never know! Anything is possible.
[URL]https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/probable-cause-hearings-announced-for-alleged-clients-in-mass-brothel-bust-case/3237248/[/URL]
If you are part of the 28, don't talk about it and make sure you have a lawyer no matter what.
Does anyone know if the accused have been notified by mail yet?
[QUOTE=Bosnas;6741681][URL]https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/probable-cause-hearings-announced-for-alleged-clients-in-mass-brothel-bust-case/3237248/[/URL]
If you are part of the 28, don't talk about it and make sure you have a lawyer no matter what.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bosnas;6741681][URL]https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/probable-cause-hearings-announced-for-alleged-clients-in-mass-brothel-bust-case/3237248/[/URL]
If you are part of the 28, don't talk about it and make sure you have a lawyer no matter what.[/QUOTE]If this moves forward, I really hope one of these guys has enough money to take this shit all the way to the Supreme Court if possible.
[QUOTE=Hyperion11;6741856]If this moves forward, I really hope one of these guys has enough money to take this shit all the way to the Supreme Court if possible.[/QUOTE]And SCOTUS would take in on on what grounds?
[QUOTE=Comcast7777;6741714]Does anyone know if the accused have been notified by mail yet?[/QUOTE]I would think so? Usually a summons would need to be sent within 90 days of the complaint. Since the hearing is on Jan. 18, they should have received a notice a while ago no?
[QUOTE=BOS143;6742066]I would think so? Usually a summons would need to be sent within 90 days of the complaint. Since the hearing is on Jan. 18, they should have received a notice a while ago no?[/QUOTE]The bust was only about 60 days ago right? (early Novemeber). So, apparently not.
[QUOTE=BOS143;6742066]I would think so? Usually a summons would need to be sent within 90 days of the complaint. Since the hearing is on Jan. 18, they should have received a notice a while ago no?[/QUOTE]The magistrate said the hearings were in the process of being scheduled on the 26th, so the earliest they would have arrived on the mail is the 28th. If they were sent out today, they'd come as late as next week.
One thing that seems deeply unfair is how these hearings are open to the public. The Massachusetts the said no names would be released until probable cause was found, now anyone can show up and see who is being accused, regardless of if there's sufficient evidence to prove probable cause.
Wondering how detailed the media will report, or if anyone on this board is planning on going.
One answer that should come out in the hearings is the evidence being used to prosecute sex buyers.
How many of the 28 accused previously talked to police? The original affidavit said about 20.
Men were interviewed.
What other evidence is being used to establish probable cause? Survailence? Zelle transactions? Text messages?
Also curious if there will be any patterns among those accused. Frequent customers? High profile people?
[QUOTE=Nrlmus;6741917]And SCOTUS would take in on on what grounds?[/QUOTE]Yeah, obviously we're not at a time where SCOTUS would take a case like this. But the hope is that someone would put up a serious fight, just like Robert Kraft did and either get the charges dismissed, or make any conviction a Pyrrhic victory for the the. Could be just wishful thinking on my side.
[QUOTE=BOS143;6742066]I would think so? Usually a summons would need to be sent within 90 days of the complaint. Since the hearing is on Jan. 18, they should have received a notice a while ago no?[/QUOTE]I would think so too it's 12 days...the first hearing is the 18th. I would assume the 28 are the ones who originally complied or they had some good material against them that could stick? All speculation though.
There was a statement from the magistrate saying that they were in the process of scheduling the hearings that was sent out on Dec 21st. If they were sending them out as they went along there's a chance that the majority if not all have been notified by now. If they just sent them out all at the same time at the end of scheduling, there's a chance that some people don't yet know that they're fucked.
I'd be more interested to hear if someone has been in touch with an attorney who may have told them that other clients of theirs have already received a summons.
[QUOTE=TommyDawson;6742300]The magistrate said the hearings were in the process of being scheduled on the 26th, so the earliest they would have arrived on the mail is the 28th. If they were sent out today, they'd come as late as next week.[/QUOTE]
I made the move down from HR to HHR especially for first visits since so many girls seem to be one and done anyway.i never felt like I was getting my money’s worth for the hour. Should I make the move down to QV? It doesn't normally save all that much but everything counts. What is usually the difference? Is it just a BJ or FS? Is it clothed or something? I know it probably varies but what is the norm?