Non Pro's

I'd like to know how many SD's they have, on average? I doubt it's only one providing $3 K / mo. One of the things I tell prospects is that I don't mind if they have other SD's, and that appeals to many. I suppose they dream of the White Knight SD that provides a huge allowance but I suspect most juggle multiple SD's on a PPM basis.

[QUOTE=MyNickname;4243537][URL]https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/uw-ranks-among-fastest-growing-universities-for-sugar-babies-dating-site-says-1.4332924[/URL]

"Sugar Baby students in Canada receive an average monthly allowance of $2,925" . The monthly allowance is about $2,190 us dollars. Food for thought for guys offering TNA pro rates as allowances to Non pros.

Note: the source of the information is "According to a report from SeekingArrangement, an online 'sugar daddy' dating site". The article was published on " Tuesday, March 12, 2019 1:41PM EDT "[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Spacehog;4243639]LOL well the old saying is a fool and his money is soon departed. Why would anyone pay a girl 3 grand a month?? I guess the stupidly wealthy have nothing better to do than blow $36,000 a year on 1 girl. That's probably not including gifts and other random junk.[/QUOTE]You're inflating things by using the Canadian $3000/ month. I recently saw on here that $500 a sleepover was fair, so you do 4 Saturday sleepovers and that's $2,000 USD. Right in line with the $2,190 quoted in the survey.

[QUOTE=WFM33;4244892]I'd like to know how many SD's they have, on average? I doubt it's only one providing $3 K / mo. One of the things I tell prospects is that I don't mind if they have other SD's, and that appeals to many. I suppose they dream of the White Knight SD that provides a huge allowance but I suspect most juggle multiple SD's on a PPM basis.[/QUOTE]When I was in Miami, I met up Marissa. She was $400 per meet (3 hours or so). She had being a sugar baby down to an art. Each morning, I got a text saying "Good morning" (I'm assuming she sent the same ones to everybody). She would send random texts during the day about stuff going on. She went out on dates 5-7 nights per week, didn't work and spent her day in the gym and "making myself look good for my daddies". She rarely ate at home and rarely bought anything for herself, because the men she dated bought everything for her. She was fucking hot and though I knew a lot of what she did was simply for the money, I felt like she really was interested in me. I think she preferred the variety of guys and she was making a solid living off what she did.

Exactly right. Any guy giving 500,400,300,200 for an hour at SA is just giving too much compared to the "fair market value" (real estate term, I know). Even if a guy wants to give 500 for a weekly allowance arrangement he would get multiple meetings with multiple hours each meeting during the week.

[QUOTE=Toomgis;4245014]You're inflating things by using the Canadian $3000/ month. I recently saw on here that $500 a sleepover was fair, so you do 4 Saturday sleepovers and that's $2,000 USD. Right in line with the $2,190 quoted in the survey.[/QUOTE]

A guy could have different SBs. The point of the survey it that it is stating a current monthly allowance expectation of around 2190 US dollars. SBs could meet that expectation or exceed it by having 1 or more SDs.

The question is, are they non pros at that point? Semi pros? It doesn't matter as long as both of SD / SB are happy and each give / receive a fair allowance. The article gives a fair allowance value idea.

[QUOTE=WFM33;4244892]I'd like to know how many SD's they have, on average? I doubt it's only one providing $3 K / mo. One of the things I tell prospects is that I don't mind if they have other SD's, and that appeals to many. I suppose they dream of the White Knight SD that provides a huge allowance but I suspect most juggle multiple SD's on a PPM basis.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MyNickname;4245309]Exactly right. Any guy giving 500,400,300,200 for an hour at SA is just giving too much compared to the "fair market value" (real estate term, I know). Even if a guy wants to give 500 for a weekly allowance arrangement he would get multiple meetings with multiple hours each meeting during the week.[/QUOTE]If a guy can afford a 500 weekly allowance, I am going to assume he has a fairly well-paying job. Few people are independently wealthy. So if this hypothetical dude has a job that allows him and extra $2 k a month in discretionary spending, I would think he would need to work pretty hard to keep the job, so when does he find time to enjoy what his allowance gets him? I am on a PPM arrangement and I cannot find the time to do that! And it gets expensive real quick with multiple meets in a month!

[QUOTE=MyNickname;4245316]A guy could have different SBs. The point of the survey it that it is stating a current monthly allowance expectation of around 2190 US dollars. SBs could meet that expectation or exceed it by having 1 or more SDs.

The question is, are they non pros at that point? Semi pros? It doesn't matter as long as both of SD / SB are happy and each give / receive a fair allowance. The article gives a fair allowance value idea.[/QUOTE]Right? If this woman in Miami is dating 5-7 nights a week, and her "day-job" is working out at the gym, she is no longer an amateur. She is a pro, 100%.

Any information on SashaJane? [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/21e0ba46-8887-47d5-837c-b82065202636[/URL].

Thanks.

I'm new to the SA world and this thread. Mostly strippers and escorts off the usual websites in the past. BB is rare with escorts and possible with strippers. So do you bring up BBCIP during the initial texting or at the meet and greet? It seems bold to do that with a text to someone you've never met. Especially if she's just a coed looking for a few extra bucks. Thanks!!

As someone said in this conversation, the guy could be doing overnights (500) on Saturdays. Such overnights could be with a different lady (or same lady) every Saturday and still be in the 2000 monthly budget. Everybody gets at least one day off on a week.

[QUOTE=Diver6390;4246284]If a guy can afford a 500 weekly allowance, I am going to assume he has a fairly well-paying job. Few people are independently wealthy. So if this hypothetical dude has a job that allows him and extra $2 k a month in discretionary spending, I would think he would need to work pretty hard to keep the job, so when does he find time to enjoy what his allowance gets him? I am on a PPM arrangement and I cannot find the time to do that! And it gets expensive real quick with multiple meets in a month![/QUOTE]

True but she is not as expensive as TNA pros. That lady is doing 400 for multiple hours each meet and a lot of difference on the experience with her compared to 1 hour TNA pro experience counterparts.

I am amazed at ads in that board where they ask 400-500 for 30 min to a 1 hour BS experiences.

[QUOTE=Diver6390;4246287]Right? If this woman in Miami is dating 5-7 nights a week, and her "day-job" is working out at the gym, she is no longer an amateur. She is a pro, 100%.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Diver6390;4246287]Right? If this woman in Miami is dating 5-7 nights a week, and her "day-job" is working out at the gym, she is no longer an amateur. She is a pro, 100%.[/QUOTE]In grand scheme of things, if she is accepting cash in exchange for service then she is a pro. One of the reasons I avoid the younger, inexperienced SBs is because at some point they come to the conclusion that what they are doing is basically prostitution and some of them either back out or don't accept it too well. As for the SB in Miami, she considered us her boyfriends and the guys would buy her clothes, jewelry, food and paid her money. I caught on to the game she was playing, but if I chose not to investigate and ask questions she would have been perfect. She worked hard to make it appear that I was a special person in her life (for the time I was there) and knew how to push the right buttons, didn't watch the clock. In essence, she was the fantasy SB. I'd prefer her over the woman here that I spent 6 months trying to get into bed because she "wasn't sure she wanted to do this. " I've been doing the SD for about a year now and every woman that I bedded was definitely a pro. A few acted like they never did it before, but it was obvious they were well experienced at the sex for money game.

So I'd like to keep the discussion on rates going. I would guess that most SA girls only make about $10 or $15 an hour. Assuming they have a job at all. Giving them about 4 times that seems generous to me. So a multi-hour date would be $300 and a sleepover about $500. Again about what was stated in the Canadian survey and by others here.

[QUOTE=Toomgis;4249253]So I'd like to keep the discussion on rates going. I would guess that most SA girls only make about $10 or $15 an hour. Assuming they have a job at all. Giving them about 4 times that seems generous to me. So a multi-hour date would be $300 and a sleepover about $500. Again about what was stated in the Canadian survey and by others here.[/QUOTE]I really believe that if you're going to put an hourly rate on it, you should just get an escort. With the exception of one, none of the people that I dated on SA made less than $20/ hr at their normal job (if they had one). I believe there are three types of girls on there.

1. Women that are looking to meet basic expenses (or pay bills or "tuition") they may have children with a dead beat father.

2. Women that want expensive shit, want to go to nice restaurants and want to be taken on vacations.

3. UTR or wannabe escorts.

With #2 and #3, you can start talking about hourly and what you're willing to pay but with #1, I believe you really have more of an obligation to help them (within reason) when they need it. I tend to either do #1 or #3, as I was a single father and know what it's like to have children that need shit, the refrigerator's empty and PSE is knocking on the door to turn off the power, so spending money on frivolous stuff like $1,000 boots (one of my dates wanted some) is something that I can't bring myself to do. With #1, I feel like my money is going to something worthwhile or at least meaningful.

2 of the people I dated on SA were outright escorts and I also found them on TNA (with some searching), I paid MUCH less than their posted rates. I even had one of them as a regular SB for 4 or 5 months.

In the end, I believe you should look at what you are willing to spend each month and allowances should reflect that amount. For me, the SB relationship is more than just sex. Sex is a good part of it, but if sex were my sole reason for being on SA, then I'd rather just find an escort that knows what she's doing.

Met a non-pro at [URL]http://usaadultclassifieds.nl/classifieds/index.php?view=showad&adid=86826&cityid=491[/URL].

I had doubts, but I responded and she responded back in a few hours. Met with her twice this week in my car, evening hours, highly recommend her. Great communication and was on time. Very convenient for me because I only had an hour to sneak out and this was a perfect rendezvous for time and accomplishment. Very classy woman, huge smile, eager to please, sexy outfit, and definitely a non-pro with a high sex drive. She prefers businessmen in nice cars. I could not find any pictures of her, but I attached a picture I found of an escort that looks just like her and freaking wears same outfits as well.