Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=DNut;4730100]I was chatting with a provider who asked an interesting question. Acknowledging that times are hard and a lot of people don't have the disposable income they once did, how can she entice clients without herself losing out by lowering prices. She does have a point. Just like everyone, she also has bills that need to be paid.

I suggested that instead of taking less money, to ADD time. Instead of (for example only) charging $200 for an hour, still charge $200 but for 75 minutes or 90 minutes. She is asking about getting more clients so I believe I can safely assume that she doesn't have the current client base to schedule back-to-back-to-back clients; she has downtime. Not many of us can still go longer than an hour, have multiple pops within that hour, get to position 85 of the Kama Sutra without doing physical therapy afterwards, etc. , but offering some extra time to catch one's breath between pops could provide some incentive in these challenging times. (I am only stating my suggestion, but I'm sure someone will take this as a challenge to a debate over the merits of this idea. It's not open for debate.).

The point of this post is to ask, does anyone have any other ideas on how to entice clients these days, other than lower rates, that I could pass along?[/QUOTE]The p411 girls are trying to hold hard to their high rates, but I don't see it happening as their regulars start to drop off. I've noticed the girls that like to sort of dictate terms and act hard to get seem to more available these days. In a couple of weeks it will be a buyer's market. I don't mean that they will go to bargain basement prices, but the whole "$350 for an hour, 550 for 90 min" (how does that math even make sense?) will drop off the board.

Had one the other day say she was willing to do me a favor by dropping the multi-hour requirement. Well, I don't think I need any favors right now.

[QUOTE=DNut;4730100]I was chatting with a provider who asked an interesting question. Acknowledging that times are hard and a lot of people don't have the disposable income they once did, how can she entice clients without herself losing out by lowering prices. She does have a point. Just like everyone, she also has bills that need to be paid.

I suggested that instead of taking less money, to ADD time. Instead of (for example only) charging $200 for an hour, still charge $200 but for 75 minutes or 90 minutes. She is asking about getting more clients so I believe I can safely assume that she doesn't have the current client base to schedule back-to-back-to-back clients; she has downtime. Not many of us can still go longer than an hour, have multiple pops within that hour, get to position 85 of the Kama Sutra without doing physical therapy afterwards, etc. , but offering some extra time to catch one's breath between pops could provide some incentive in these challenging times. (I am only stating my suggestion, but I'm sure someone will take this as a challenge to a debate over the merits of this idea. It's not open for debate.).

The point of this post is to ask, does anyone have any other ideas on how to entice clients these days, other than lower rates, that I could pass along?[/QUOTE]Before long I think the girls are going to be in serious trouble financially. Many of us, myself included, have lost jobs and are now stuck at home with the wife and no way to get out to "party". I've been able to sneak out a couple times but that's likely to change for the worse. The point is, I believe OUR availability is going to be seriously diminished which is going to force them to lower prices--simple supply and demand.

So what can they do to maintain business or, hopefully, grow it? In my opinion, not much. What they should have been doing all along is handling their business more professionally. Some of them do but as we all know, most of them don't. They ghost us, the don't respond timely, they're drugged out when we arrive, some don't bathe regularly, they provide lousy service and expect us to accept it. The list goes on and on. There are many girls I've met that I truly like but there are just as many that don't know the first damn thing about building a "relationship", and I mean a business relationship, not a love interest.

The way I see it, the girls that have treated us well will continue to see their business hold steady, at least as much as possible in these weird times. The ones that have taken us for granted are going to have a difficult time.

[QUOTE=Ryann222;4723989]You are a small minded human. Profiting off my name I would never work for you again. You are holding on to anything you possibly can thinking I would come back. Go ahead send people to my hub I'm making ad revenue. Keeping my pictures on your site just to spite me. You're a creepy stalker, you will never look good in any situation you put yourself in.[/QUOTE]Personally, I have had nothing but good dealings with Steve myself. I've only dealt with him as a customer though, not an employee like you were...not that I could ever see myself sucking dick for a living, but who knows, if the coronavirus crap goes on a couple months longer, I may have to!!
You are nothing more to him than one in a very long line of providers that he has dealt with over the years. They come and they go, we cum and we go.
I saw you once while you were with Steve and while your BBJ was commendable, I never repeated as I felt the rest of you was not on par with your higher prices.

[QUOTE=LurkinGround;4730406]Personally, I have had nothing but good dealings with Steve myself. I've only dealt with him as a customer though, not an employee like you were...not that I could ever see myself sucking dick for a living, but who knows[/QUOTE]Well, to be fair, your reviews on TER spend quite a bit of time sucking dick and getting fucked by trannies. Just saying. Nothing wrong with that, but it's not a huge step, right?

[QUOTE=Kenal1;4730352]Before long I think the girls are going to be in serious trouble financially. Many of us, myself included, have lost jobs and are now stuck at home with the wife and no way to get out to "party". I've been able to sneak out a couple times but that's likely to change for the worse. The point is, I believe OUR availability is going to be seriously diminished which is going to force them to lower prices--simple supply and demand.

So what can they do to maintain business or, hopefully, grow it? In my opinion, not much. What they should have been doing all along is handling their business more professionally. Some of them do but as we all know, most of them don't. They ghost us, the don't respond timely, they're drugged out when we arrive, some don't bathe regularly, they provide lousy service and expect us to accept it. The list goes on and on. There are many girls I've met that I truly like but there are just as many that don't know the first damn thing about building a "relationship", and I mean a business relationship, not a love interest.

The way I see it, the girls that have treated us well will continue to see their business hold steady, at least as much as possible in these weird times. The ones that have taken us for granted are going to have a difficult time.[/QUOTE]I think they already are in trouble. That $1200 only shows up for tax payers, and most of them don't file TBH. I'm fortunate. I haven't been going to an office for the last decade, so this is all just "normal" for me. There's still some girls out there that are regular based and can still hunker down with. But it's a bad idea to be banging heroin addicts that are essentially revolving doors right now. JMHO.

[QUOTE=DNut;4730100] The point of this post is to ask, does anyone have any other ideas on how to entice clients these days, other than lower rates, that I could pass along?[/QUOTE]The idea of adding more time for the same amount of money is a good one. May save a client or two. Unfortunately, it's not going to change the direction the wind is blowing.

During a recession, guys will find money under the car seat if necessary to see a girl.

During a recession with a chance of a miserable death from Covid-19 added in and who cares what's under the car seat. Not going to risk dying.

Visit a sex worker and you know she is seeing many guys. You can take precautions to prevent catching something nasty. Can get meds to cure or prolong life.

Visit a sex worker now you have no idea who she has seen. Are her previous clients Covid free or carriers? Does she have it? Did she breath on you? Kiss you? How is your luck at Russian roulette?

You get Covid you die. Doesn't matter what the girl says or does to attract clients these days that dance with death doesn't change for her or her clients.

[QUOTE=LurkinGround;4730406]Personally, I have had nothing but good dealings with Steve myself. I've only dealt with him as a customer though, not an employee like you were...not that I could ever see myself sucking dick for a living, but who knows, if the coronavirus crap goes on a couple months longer, I may have to!!
You are nothing more to him than one in a very long line of providers that he has dealt with over the years. They come and they go, we cum and we go.
I saw you once while you were with Steve and while your BBJ was commendable, I never repeated as I felt the rest of you was not on par with your higher prices.[/QUOTE]Not repeat? That seems like a crazy notion. She is a great provider.

[QUOTE=LurkinGround;4730406]Personally, I have had nothing but good dealings with Steve myself. I've only dealt with him as a customer though, not an employee like you were...not that I could ever see myself sucking dick for a living, but who knows, if the coronavirus crap goes on a couple months longer, I may have to!!
You are nothing more to him than one in a very long line of providers that he has dealt with over the years. They come and they go, we cum and we go.
I saw you once while you were with Steve and while your BBJ was commendable, I never repeated as I felt the rest of you was not on par with your higher prices.[/QUOTE]What's up with the site. Has Steve closed up shop? God I hope not.

[QUOTE=DNut;4730100]I was chatting with a provider who asked an interesting question. Acknowledging that times are hard and a lot of people don't have the disposable income they once did, how can she entice clients without herself losing out by lowering prices. She does have a point. Just like everyone, she also has bills that need to be paid.

I suggested that instead of taking less money, to ADD time. Instead of (for example only) charging $200 for an hour, still charge $200 but for 75 minutes or 90 minutes. She is asking about getting more clients so I believe I can safely assume that she doesn't have the current client base to schedule back-to-back-to-back clients; she has downtime. Not many of us can still go longer than an hour, have multiple pops within that hour, get to position 85 of the Kama Sutra without doing physical therapy afterwards, etc. , but offering some extra time to catch one's breath between pops could provide some incentive in these challenging times. (I am only stating my suggestion, but I'm sure someone will take this as a challenge to a debate over the merits of this idea. It's not open for debate.).

The point of this post is to ask, does anyone have any other ideas on how to entice clients these days, other than lower rates, that I could pass along?[/QUOTE]If the situation was exactly the opposite, say providers left the field for another opportunity in mass, would the remaining providers have a qualm with raising rates?

Within a few months, unemployment is projected to be at over 10%. Deflation is already occurring and will only accelerate. Whatever money that I have now will only be worth more in the future and it would be wise to hold on to it or I should save if the emergency affects me. If someone wants me to spend on non-necessitates, then I see no reason to not want a discount for money that will increase in spending value or to justify depleting my emergency fund.

[QUOTE=LurkinGround;4730406]Personally, I have had nothing but good dealings with Steve myself. I've only dealt with him as a customer though, not an employee like you were...not that I could ever see myself sucking dick for a living, but who knows, if the coronavirus crap goes on a couple months longer, I may have to!!
You are nothing more to him than one in a very long line of providers that he has dealt with over the years. They come and they go, we cum and we go.
I saw you once while you were with Steve and while your BBJ was commendable, I never repeated as I felt the rest of you was not on par with your higher prices.[/QUOTE]Eh to each their own, my "higher prices" provide me the luxury to stay home till need be while you are already pondering your future endeavors.

Employee? Where is my W-2?

[QUOTE=Fatmando;4730675]If the situation was exactly the opposite, say providers left the field for another opportunity in mass, would the remaining providers have a qualm with raising rates?

Within a few months, unemployment is projected to be at over 10%. Deflation is already occurring and will only accelerate. Whatever money that I have now will only be worth more in the future and it would be wise to hold on to it or I should save if the emergency affects me. If someone wants me to spend on non-necessitates, then I see no reason to not want a discount for money that will increase in spending value or to justify depleting my emergency fund.[/QUOTE]And just like that, the conversation was shifted from, "Let's help each other out in these tough times. ", to "Me, me me! I'm the only one that matters so I better get more for less. ".

Let's steer this conversation back to trying to be helpful.

[QUOTE=Fatmando;4730675]If the situation was exactly the opposite, say providers left the field for another opportunity in mass, would the remaining providers have a qualm with raising rates?

Within a few months, unemployment is projected to be at over 10%. Deflation is already occurring and will only accelerate. Whatever money that I have now will only be worth more in the future and it would be wise to hold on to it or I should save if the emergency affects me. If someone wants me to spend on non-necessitates, then I see no reason to not want a discount for money that will increase in spending value or to justify depleting my emergency fund.[/QUOTE]Deflation in the petroleum market is due to Russia and the Saudis pumping the market with way to much supply atm! Everyone is going to do a 10-20% cut in daily production. So prices will go back up to $60. In a few months when everyone goes back to work! Wait until thre is hyper inflation if things keep going the way they are! If you are old enough to remember the late 70's to early 80's then you will know what I am talking about!

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I saw you once while you were with Steve and while your BBJ was commendable, I never repeated as I felt the rest of you was not on par with your higher prices.[/QUOTE]I am surprised you don't think that I think her and brooke are the best in Cincinnati.

[QUOTE=LurkinGround;4730406]Personally, I have had nothing but good dealings with Steve myself. I've only dealt with him as a customer though, not an employee like you were...not that I could ever see myself sucking dick for a living, but who knows, if the coronavirus crap goes on a couple months longer, I may have to!!
You are nothing more to him than one in a very long line of providers that he has dealt with over the years. They come and they go, we cum and we go.
I saw you once while you were with Steve and while your BBJ was commendable, I never repeated as I felt the rest of you was not on par with your higher prices.[/QUOTE]There's a reason EE can't keep any girls for any length of time. They figure him out real fast.

[QUOTE=WanderingAbout;4730475]You get Covid you die. Doesn't matter what the girl says or does to attract clients these days that dance with death doesn't change for her or her clients.[/QUOTE]People like you are fueling this ridiculous hysteria around C-19. No, if you get Covid you most likely will not even know that you have it. If you're in a risk group then yes there is a chance that you will die. A chance not a certainty. Covid is not ebola.

These are the most recent numbers for the worldwide distribution of deaths due to corona.

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/[/URL]

If you are under 40 with no underlying conditions your chance of survival is 99.8 percent if you're over 40 then it jumps to the astonishingly poor rate of 99.6%.

These numbers are based on confirmed cases only with the horribly inadequate testing that has been done. Once real testing starts the morbidity rate (people who have it) is going to skyrocket, and the mortality rate (percent of people who die from it that have it) is going to drop like a fucking rock. Something to the tune of. 000 something mortality rate. Right now, at this moment when expressed as a percentage the total number of deaths from corona is 0. 0008% of the world population. This is not a Jerry Bruckheimer movie, humanity is not engaged in a desperate fight for it's survival.

Why couldn't corona have aggressively targeted stupid people instead of grandmas and grandpas.