"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2995943]Thanks for the information. When you clicked on the PayPal and check out as a guest which tab did you choose "Debit or Credit Card" or "Gift Card" or "PayPal Credit"? I am guessing it is one of the first two.[/QUOTE]So I'm at my wits end here. I tried this OneVanilla Visa and followed these instructions exactly and declined. That's via paypal (and am curious if it was Debit Card or Gift Card, tried both), as well as their regular credit card option. I'm not sure how I could have deviated from these instructions and yet it still won't work.

Any help or ideas appreciated.

For the uneducated like me, what is AFF?

[QUOTE=BikeRider;3000253]You find the girl from SA you're talking to on AFF. Now I know I can get her for free. I pointed her to my AFF profile, and we're all set now. .

P.S. I hate AFF, and I won't renew next month when my membership expires. I've had a good run there with 5+ testimonials and many more meets, but the system is on it's last breaths. Everyone seems to have migrated to Tinder or the app du jour so you're basically stuck with the fakes and flakes now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3001157]For the uneducated like me, what is AFF?[/QUOTE]Most likely Adu1 t Fri3nd Find3 r.

[QUOTE=ConejoJoe;3001194]Most likely Adu1 t Fri3nd Find3 r.[/QUOTE]Correct. And it's not worth your time / money any longer.

I replied to a sugar baby on BP and she asked how much allowance per visit and I replied somewhere around 200-300 and then she deleted her post right after that had been up for days when I went to show her to a buddy so I asked if I insulted her with a low pffer and she replied "I'd prefer 500 but I can work with 300. ".

Are any of you giving 500 per visit? This is my foray into the bowl so am I wrong for standing my ground on my offer?

As the title states. Need options in Richmond for early check in. Thanks!

Most SBs average at about 100-200 per visit. Ofcourse, there are some SBs that are 9 and 9. 5 category who command anywhere from 300-600 per meet and do manage to get them. There is this 20 yo college chick that I met recently damn her body jiggles with life in all the right places and oozes with sex. She said she was with one SD before and getting 400 per meet until his work relocated him. She was very picky and she has no reason to lower her expectation and she thinks she will get a SD of her liking who will pay 400 or more. I believe that it is very true in her case. So there is no real dollar limit to what a SD is willing to pay his SB. You would think 600 is extreme until you come across another SB getting 1000 per meet. That said, there is enough and more SBs in the 100-200 per visit category than you could ever handle. LOL. So don't stretch your budget when you really don't need to.

[QUOTE=FishOn85;3001656]I replied to a sugar baby on BP and she asked how much allowance per visit and I replied somewhere around 200-300 and then she deleted her post right after that had been up for days when I went to show her to a buddy so I asked if I insulted her with a low pffer and she replied "I'd prefer 500 but I can work with 300. ".

Are any of you giving 500 per visit? This is my foray into the bowl so am I wrong for standing my ground on my offer?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;3000449]So I'm at my wits end here. I tried this OneVanilla Visa and followed these instructions exactly and declined. That's via paypal (and am curious if it was Debit Card or Gift Card, tried both), as well as their regular credit card option. I'm not sure how I could have deviated from these instructions and yet it still won't work.

Any help or ideas appreciated.[/QUOTE]I just used a generic OneVanilla visa gift card from CVS.

The only thing I can think of is to make sure to clear your browser's cache, close the website and try to log back in.

Good luck.

I feel like a tortoise among hares here, with my one SB story. A quick update on Mary. You can "Find All Posts" to see the earlier history.

Two of the main risks with SB that are not well mitigated by anonymity are overspending and emotional entanglement. I was over-budget for months, figuring she would quit me for the fourth time and that would end it. In the meantime, I'd make each date memorable. But Mary started to like me more, evidenced by frequent praise and increased eagerness to meet. Recently, I decided I could not afford her anymore, so we renegotiated our deal to put me back on budget. This was a breakthrough for me, though it does make our relationship less stable since I'm not going to get it for free.

I think we have the emotional risks contained, too. We've discussed that Mary will eventually leave for a younger, single man. While knowing me, she does go on dates (none have worked out, supposedly) and describes being swarmed by men when she's in a nightclub. So, this is a matter of time, and I would not be surprised if she has other lovers even though she says she does not. We agree to remain friends, though, in the end. However, I have my doubts about how that will work since we're unknown to each other's family, though no longer anonymous to each other. For now, I just plan each next date and don't think much about the future beyond the next date.

[QUOTE=Snake27;3001992]I feel like a tortoise among hares here, with my one SB story. A quick update on Mary. You can "Find All Posts" to see the earlier history.

Two of the main risks with SB that are not well mitigated by anonymity are overspending and emotional entanglement. I was over-budget for months, figuring she would quit me for the fourth time and that would end it. In the meantime, I'd make each date memorable. But Mary started to like me more, evidenced by frequent praise and increased eagerness to meet. Recently, I decided I could not afford her anymore, so we renegotiated our deal to put me back on budget. This was a breakthrough for me, though it does make our relationship less stable since I'm not going to get it for free.

I think we have the emotional risks contained, too. We've discussed that Mary will eventually leave for a younger, single man. While knowing me, she does go on dates (none have worked out, supposedly) and describes being swarmed by men when she's in a nightclub. So, this is a matter of time, and I would not be surprised if she has other lovers even though she says she does not. We agree to remain friends, though, in the end. However, I have my doubts about how that will work since we're unknown to each other's family, though no longer anonymous to each other. For now, I just plan each next date and don't think much about the future beyond the next date.[/QUOTE]This seems to be a great example of a sd that has gotten caught up emotionally with the sb. Remember always that they are there for the pay. Being able to renegotiate down shows that she possibly finds you comfortable to be with but at the same time you know that its a matter of time. To help with that since she is seeing other guys think of her as the utr girl she is. I always say cut the sugar and see how long they stay, but you already know that answer.

[QUOTE=FishOn85;3001656]I replied to a sugar baby on BP and she asked how much allowance per visit and I replied somewhere around 200-300 and then she deleted her post right after that had been up for days when I went to show her to a buddy so I asked if I insulted her with a low pffer and she replied "I'd prefer 500 but I can work with 300. ".

Are any of you giving 500 per visit? This is my foray into the bowl so am I wrong for standing my ground on my offer?[/QUOTE]I agree with lebruno. While I have not been successful at $100 -my offer is usually $150 -200.90% will come in at that level. $250 is my level for high quality SBs I have had for long term. $300 is a moderate escort rate in this area. More than that is unnecessary IMHO. Of course YMMV. The less looks, youthfulness, game, etc you have the more you will have to pay.

Re: the scads of credit card, hotel booking advice, etc. Why doesn't someone start another thread for this? It is a recurrent theme and newbies could go straight to that thread.

[QUOTE=M9999;3001917]I just used a generic OneVanilla visa gift card from CVS.

The only thing I can think of is to make sure to clear your browser's cache, close the website and try to log back in.

Good luck.[/QUOTE]Prepaid card or gift card option?

I'll try clearing the cache.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;3002075] Re: the scads of credit card, hotel booking advice, etc. Why doesn't someone start another thread for this? It is a recurrent theme and newbies could go straight to that thread.[/QUOTE]Good idea. If someone with a lot of knowledge in this area would like to create a well written post (or posts) that summarize everything in one place, I'd be happy to add them to the index and FAQ thread. Or, if it's already been covered (I. E. By multiple people), PM me links to the posts and I will create a dedicated post that points to the multiples.

I would contribute more directly to the effort but I don't have a lot of experience with this topic. I would love to find a good no-tell option for hotels (or solution for early checkin options for afternoon delight situations etc), but in terms of CC anonymity and such I keep my life simple by never allowing my GF into my shit, so I haven't encountered some of these issues.

[QUOTE=Snake27;3001992] I think we have the emotional risks contained, too. We've discussed that Mary will eventually leave for a younger, single man. While knowing me, she does go on dates (none have worked out, supposedly) and describes being swarmed by men when she's in a nightclub. So, this is a matter of time, and I would not be surprised if she has other lovers even though she says she does not. We agree to remain friends, though, in the end. However, I have my doubts about how that will work since we're unknown to each other's family, though no longer anonymous to each other. For now, I just plan each next date and don't think much about the future beyond the next date.[/QUOTE]You need to remember that a SB SD relationship is not a straight up BF GF relationship. You both know why you are there. Most guys will not go out with the girls if visits to the FC were not available, and most girls will not go out with SD's if the financial support was withdrawn. I respectfully advise you to always remember what this is about and what it isn't, or let her know you want the relationship to evolve into a more traditional type without sugar and see what happens.

[QUOTE=YayaGogo;3002277]You need to remember that a SB SD relationship is not a straight up BF GF relationship. You both know why you are there. Most guys will not go out with the girls if visits to the FC were not available, and most girls will not go out with SD's if the financial support was withdrawn. I respectfully advise you to always remember what this is about and what it isn't, or let her know you want the relationship to evolve into a more traditional type without sugar and see what happens.[/QUOTE]Oh, I would not want a traditional BF GF relationship even if it were possible. I am married. In fact, I think that paid arrangements are more morally acceptable than love affairs provided it has no serious impact on your financial picture. (I could have an affair with someone close to my age.) But I don't think there's any harm in friendship with an SB if it happens. You and John are right, though. No money, no hunny. In most cases.