"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Great Post, Fish. One clarification. As you are fishing from legit job sites unlike SA to what extent are you expected to reveal about your Company (business) and your related personal information.

How do you manage not to divulge too much info when POTs ask you for more details.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2992888]SugarDaddyX.

Recently I've been working the massuese circuit. I've found that 80 % of hot masseauses that don't offer extras are more than happy to be your "sb" once you make them laugh and they see you're not a gross fat pig, and ate a nice guy. Pet sitters, nannys, and cleaners are amazing as well.

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When I take a SB to the FC I typically try to find a notel and make a cash payment. But this is increasingly becoming a problem as there are not many notels around. Also, notels in general are very basic and more like highway motels. This could scare some of the SBs and even I am not very excited about the notel ambience. I'm very tempted to use a credit card and book at better hotels but I am wary of all the paper trails that it would leave. What other options have you tried successfully. How does visa gift cards such as one vanilla work in these situations?

I've used cash as well as gift cards, in any case, drivers license required. Several babies more than comfy putting in their name.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;2996253]When I take a SB to the FC I typically try to find a notel and make a cash payment. But this is increasingly becoming a problem as there are not many notels around. Also, notels in general are very basic and more like highway motels. This could scare some of the SBs and even I am not very excited about the notel ambience. I'm very tempted to use a credit card and book at better hotels but I am wary of all the paper trails that it would leave. What other options have you tried successfully. How does visa gift cards such as one vanilla work in these situations?[/QUOTE]

Yeah. I was considering asking the SB get it in her name but had second thoughts after I heard that though it is legal to rent a room if you are 18 or older some properties have a policy to ask for a security deposit if the renter is below 21 yo. I guess they might have this policy to discourage teens who party and trash the rooms.

[QUOTE=Bowtie;2996265]I've used cash as well as gift cards, in any case, drivers license required. Several babies more than comfy putting in their name.[/QUOTE]

I think it is a great idea to give some kind of a novel gift to a POT after the initial M&G. In the least, this should make the SB remember you in a special way and even feel obligated to respond to your texts and build trust into you. I've usually given a Jackson or two or a Gas card if we had a good meeting that involved some level of interest and intimacy like hugging and kissing. But I have always wanted to give something that's non-cash and that is unique and memorable. I read here some one mention taking a SB to a shooting range. I think that's an experience that can get many people get excited let alone teenagers. What are some of the inexpensive 'experience' gifts and 'material' gifts that some of you have successfully deployed!

[QUOTE=Lebruno;2996537]I think it is a great idea to give some kind of a novel gift to a POT after the initial M&G. In the least, this should make the SB remember you in a special way and even feel obligated to respond to your texts and build trust into you. I've usually given a Jackson or two or a Gas card if we had a good meeting that involved some level of interest and intimacy like hugging and kissing. But I have always wanted to give something that's non-cash and that is unique and memorable. I read here some one mention taking a SB to a shooting range. I think that's an experience that can get many people get excited let alone teenagers. What are some of the inexpensive 'experience' gifts and 'material' gifts that some of you have successfully deployed![/QUOTE]If there is a connection / attraction there then I've found that an arrangement she is happy with doesn't need gifts. If you leave the first m / g without an agreement locked in then its probably not going to happen. If your trying to convince her your a great guy while trying to get her at a bargain basement price the inexpensive gifts don't help. Give her an arrangement that she is happy with then after a few months she will be happy to reduce the arrangement if you turn out to be this great guy.

I like subscription services. I've found that most young babies are into music, genres like edm, etc. (I tend towards the artsy types that are openminded).

Subscriptions like Pandora One are super cheap. I've found that most young pots already have Pandora downloaded on their phones. Paying for a subscription service provides a few advantages:

1. It's super cheap. Great bang for your buck. Most pots won't spring for it because they will deal with the ads because music services like Pandora are free if you're willing to listen to the ads. Not having to deal with the ads is a nice perk and once they get accustomed to ad free listening, its hard to give up.

2. It forces a recurring relationship. You might have multiple babies in your rotation. Seeing all of them multiple times a month might be hard. Depending on funds. Paying for a babies Pandora one subscription forces them to keep in touch. Sometimes if I don't have time or funds to see a baby, I might go dark for a week or two. After playing with a new rotation, I might want to go back and bang a SB I haven't seen in three weeks. Most feel jilted if I didn't respond and previously wouldn't respond to a text when I decided I wanted to see them again. After I started paying for their subsciption services, my return response rate increased significantly. If they didn't respond I cut off the subscription, which then often triggered a response. Think of it as a super cheap monthly retainer.

3. It gives you more info on your pot. If they were previously using a fake email addy, then by offering to pay for a subscription service, often times you get real life info. Often times pots will be piggybacking off their parents netflix or Amazon prime accounts for video streaming, but will have their own preexisting Pandora accounts (because its free initially). Rather than trying to set up a new account, most pots will just ask you to upgrade their pre-existing accounts.

More often than not my first m&gs involve the discussion of music tastes. If the m&g goes well and the pot is interested in taking things to the next level, t's a pretty easy transition to offer to start paying for a music subscription. I've found that many of the young new pots love the idea as well, because it makes them feel like its the start of a long term thing, rather than a hit it and split it type deal.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;2996537]I think it is a great idea to give some kind of a novel gift to a POT after the initial M&G. In the least, this should make the SB remember you in a special way and even feel obligated to respond to your texts and build trust into you. I've usually given a Jackson or two or a Gas card if we had a good meeting that involved some level of interest and intimacy like hugging and kissing. But I have always wanted to give something that's non-cash and that is unique and memorable. I read here some one mention taking a SB to a shooting range. I think that's an experience that can get many people get excited let alone teenagers. What are some of the inexpensive 'experience' gifts and 'material' gifts that some of you have successfully deployed![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2996879]I like subscription services. I've found that most young babies are into music, genres like edm, etc. (I tend towards the artsy types that are openminded).

Subscriptions like Pandora One are super cheap. I've found that most young pots already have Pandora downloaded on their phones. Paying for a subscription service provides a few advantages:

1. It's super cheap. Great bang for your buck. Most pots won't spring for it because they will deal with the ads because music services like Pandora are free if you're willing to listen to the ads. Not having to deal with the ads is a nice perk and once they get accustomed to ad free listening, its hard to give up.

2. It forces a recurring relationship. You might have multiple babies in your rotation. Seeing all of them multiple times a month might be hard. Depending on funds. Paying for a babies Pandora one subscription forces them to keep in touch. Sometimes if I don't have time or funds to see a baby, I might go dark for a week or two. After playing with a new rotation, I might want to go back and bang a SB I haven't seen in three weeks. Most feel jilted if I didn't respond and previously wouldn't respond to a text when I decided I wanted to see them again. After I started paying for their subsciption services, my return response rate increased significantly. If they didn't respond I cut off the subscription, which then often triggered a response. Think of it as a super cheap monthly retainer.

3. It gives you more info on your pot. If they were previously using a fake email addy, then by offering to pay for a subscription service, often times you get real life info. Often times pots will be piggybacking off their parents netflix or Amazon prime accounts for video streaming, but will have their own preexisting Pandora accounts (because its free initially). Rather than trying to set up a new account, most pots will just ask you to upgrade their pre-existing accounts.

More often than not my first m&gs involve the discussion of music tastes. If the m&g goes well and the pot is interested in taking things to the next level, t's a pretty easy transition to offer to start paying for a music subscription. I've found that many of the young new pots love the idea as well, because it makes them feel like its the start of a long term thing, rather than a hit it and split it type deal.[/QUOTE]Is a great idea, I will have to keep this one in my back pocket.

I find gift cards to be very universal and easy to do. Find out where they shop, where they eat, etc.

I have collected quite a bit of H&M, Forever21, Starbucks, Chipotle, etc. For this purpose.

But my Irecen babies tend to be young, petite under 22 white college girls. These cards seem to be quite popular with these girls.

Just to be clear, I don't give them gifts at the M&G, o my after several FC sessions.

This is a great idea. I've already added Pandora onto my list of SB gifts. LOL. John HC's point is valid. If there's a good connection and an arrangement deal has been struck there's no need for any inexpensive gifts. Agreed. However, I see these gifts as stocking stuffers that keep the SBs honey pot warm enough while I'm gone for several weeks. Either my work keeps me away or I'm active with one SB while I'm keeping these other SBs in the back burner for future rotation.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2996879]I like subscription services. I've found that most young babies are into music, genres like edm, etc. (I tend towards the artsy types that are openminded).

Subscriptions like Pandora One are super cheap. I've found that most young pots already have Pandora downloaded on their phones. Paying for a subscription service provides a few advantages:

1. It's super cheap. Great bang for your buck. Most pots won't spring for it because they will deal with the ads because music services like Pandora are free if you're willing to listen to the ads. Not having to deal with the ads is a nice perk and once they get accustomed to ad free listening, its hard to give up.

2. It forces a recurring relationship. You might have multiple babies in your rotation. Seeing all of them multiple times a month might be hard. Depending on funds. Paying for a babies Pandora one subscription forces them to keep in touch. Sometimes if I don't have time or funds to see a baby, I might go dark for a week or two. After playing with a new rotation, I might want to go back and bang a SB I haven't seen in three weeks. Most feel jilted if I didn't respond and previously wouldn't respond to a text when I decided I wanted to see them again. After I started paying for their subsciption services, my return response rate increased significantly. If they didn't respond I cut off the subscription, which then often triggered a response. Think of it as a super cheap monthly retainer.

3. It gives you more info on your pot. If they were previously using a fake email addy, then by offering to pay for a subscription service, often times you get real life info. Often times pots will be piggybacking off their parents netflix or Amazon prime accounts for video streaming, but will have their own preexisting Pandora accounts (because its free initially). Rather than trying to set up a new account, most pots will just ask you to upgrade their pre-existing accounts.

More often than not my first m&gs involve the discussion of music tastes. If the m&g goes well and the pot is interested in taking things to the next level, t's a pretty easy transition to offer to start paying for a music subscription. I've found that many of the young new pots love the idea as well, because it makes them feel like its the start of a long term thing, rather than a hit it and split it type deal.[/QUOTE]

One idea for avoiding a CC charge for a hotel. If you otherwise travel and use a bigger chain, you probably have a ton of points and / or free nights. Use those?

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2996879]I like subscription services. I've found that most young babies are into music, genres like edm, etc. (I tend towards the artsy types that are openminded).

Subscriptions like Pandora One are super cheap. I've found that most young pots already have Pandora downloaded on their phones. Paying for a subscription service provides a few advantages:

1. It's super cheap. Great bang for your buck. Most pots won't spring for it because they will deal with the ads because music services like Pandora are free if you're willing to listen to the ads. Not having to deal with the ads is a nice perk and once they get accustomed to ad free listening, its hard to give up.

2. It forces a recurring relationship. You might have multiple babies in your rotation. Seeing all of them multiple times a month might be hard. Depending on funds. Paying for a babies Pandora one subscription forces them to keep in touch. Sometimes if I don't have time or funds to see a baby, I might go dark for a week or two. After playing with a new rotation, I might want to go back and bang a SB I haven't seen in three weeks. Most feel jilted if I didn't respond and previously wouldn't respond to a text when I decided I wanted to see them again. After I started paying for their subsciption services, my return response rate increased significantly. If they didn't respond I cut off the subscription, which then often triggered a response. Think of it as a super cheap monthly retainer.

3. It gives you more info on your pot. If they were previously using a fake email addy, then by offering to pay for a subscription service, often times you get real life info. Often times pots will be piggybacking off their parents netflix or Amazon prime accounts for video streaming, but will have their own preexisting Pandora accounts (because its free initially). Rather than trying to set up a new account, most pots will just ask you to upgrade their pre-existing accounts.

More often than not my first m&gs involve the discussion of music tastes. If the m&g goes well and the pot is interested in taking things to the next level, t's a pretty easy transition to offer to start paying for a music subscription. I've found that many of the young new pots love the idea as well, because it makes them feel like its the start of a long term thing, rather than a hit it and split it type deal.[/QUOTE]For those of us with SOs, does this work? Do you have to use your real credit card to buy their subscription? Now you are giving up your personal info.

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;2997837]One idea for avoiding a CC charge for a hotel. If you otherwise travel and use a bigger chain, you probably have a ton of points and / or free nights. Use those?[/QUOTE]Definitely a way to go. But be aware that a record of your use of points will be kept. Several of the brands keep the list of your activity for a VERY long time.

[QUOTE=Callmecrazy;2996237]Never mind. I got it to work. I did make another PayPal account under my monger name and used my phones data connection where I was using my wifi. I'm guessing my internet (satellite) is just too slow.[/QUOTE]Might also have been you were using a VPN. I always use a VPN, and I had the same time outs this weekend. I had to renew via my burner phone (non-wifi) as they do log IP addresses. Just look at the AM data.

I handle the finances so while there are certain expenses that always go on the prepaid untraceable cards (e. G. SA memberships, Victoria secret purchases, etc) the purchases for other low risk items that aren't directly tied to hobby related expenses go on a real life cc.

I make sure that the real life cc statements are online only, but like getting points back for those expenses.

Any plausible deniable expense goes on that cc.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;2997863]For those of us with SOs, does this work? Do you have to use your real credit card to buy their subscription? Now you are giving up your personal info.[/QUOTE]

You find the girl from SA you're talking to on AFF. Now I know I can get her for free. I pointed her to my AFF profile, and we're all set now. .

P.S. I hate AFF, and I won't renew next month when my membership expires. I've had a good run there with 5+ testimonials and many more meets, but the system is on it's last breaths. Everyone seems to have migrated to Tinder or the app du jour so you're basically stuck with the fakes and flakes now.