Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=BengalMan;4719424]Your headline was an absolute lie. The tax cut DECREASED tax revenues.

The rest of your spin was nothing more than right wing mantras, not true republican intelligence.

The military was never "gutted" by austerity. That's just comical. Extreme Right Wingers love to say that! Just to support massive military expenditures.[/QUOTE]Go to [URL]https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762[/URL]#us-tax-revenue-by-year.

USA Tax Revenue by Year.

Here's a record of income for each fiscal year since 1789. Tax receipts fell off during the recession but started setting new records by FY 2013.6.

Fiscal Year Revenue.

FY 2021 $3. 86 (estimated).

FY 2020 $3. 71 trillion (estimated).

FY 2019 $3. 46 trillion (actual).

FY 2018 $3. 33 trillion.

FY 2017 $3. 32 trillion.

FY 2016 $3. 27 trillion.

FY 2015 $3. 25 trillion.

FY 2014 $3. 02 trillion.

FY 2013 $2. 77 trillion.

FY 2012 $2. 45 trillion.

FY 2011 $2. 30 trillion.

FY 2010 $2. 16 trillion.

FY 2009 $2. 10 trillion.

A new report published today by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), the National Center for Transgender Equality, and 22 other United States-based human rights organizations finds that 52 percent of Americans and two-thirds of voters age 18 to 44 years support decriminalizing sex work.

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Jeh123, your numbers are misleading. Tax revenue did go up after the 2017 tax cuts was passed by the GOP Congress, Senate, and White House. However, what those numbers of yours are not showing is where the source of the increase came from. Here's a graph. Those increases are almost completely paid for by individuals, not corporate tax collections. Businesses were not paying more; people were. Those increased tax revenues you are tauting are on the backs of individual tax payers, while corporate taxes actually DECREASED.

You might argue that people are making more money and that's why they are paying more. That's actually not true. The national median household income has remained level, while inflation has gone up. So, taxes for individuals have gone up, their pay has stayed the same, but their purchasing power has dropped.

[QUOTE=Jeh123;4719457]Go to [URL]https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762[/URL]#us-tax-revenue-by-year.

USA Tax Revenue by Year.

Here's a record of income for each fiscal year since 1789. Tax receipts fell off during the recession but started setting new records by FY 2013.6.

Fiscal Year Revenue.

FY 2021 $3. 86 (estimated).

FY 2020 $3. 71 trillion (estimated).

FY 2019 $3. 46 trillion (actual).

FY 2018 $3. 33 trillion.

FY 2017 $3. 32 trillion.

FY 2016 $3. 27 trillion.

FY 2015 $3. 25 trillion.

FY 2014 $3. 02 trillion.

FY 2013 $2. 77 trillion.

FY 2012 $2. 45 trillion.

FY 2011 $2. 30 trillion.

FY 2010 $2. 16 trillion.

FY 2009 $2. 10 trillion.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jeh123;4719457]Go to [URL]https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762[/URL]#us-tax-revenue-by-year.

USA Tax Revenue by Year.

Here's a record of income for each fiscal year since 1789. Tax receipts fell off during the recession but started setting new records by FY 2013.6.

Fiscal Year Revenue.

FY 2021 $3. 86 (estimated).

FY 2020 $3. 71 trillion (estimated).

FY 2019 $3. 46 trillion (actual).

FY 2018 $3. 33 trillion.

FY 2017 $3. 32 trillion.

FY 2016 $3. 27 trillion.

FY 2015 $3. 25 trillion.

FY 2014 $3. 02 trillion.

FY 2013 $2. 77 trillion.

FY 2012 $2. 45 trillion.

FY 2011 $2. 30 trillion.

FY 2010 $2. 16 trillion.

FY 2009 $2. 10 trillion.[/QUOTE]Gross revenues always go up, they have to, the population grows dummy. 😂.

The per capita rate of growth did not go up, due to. Surprise. The tax cut!

Yes, government is spending tons of money. More importantly, the governor is the biggest cock blocker ever! Well, I guess that is if you follow the stay at home order.

[QUOTE=BengalMan;4719176]To some extent, GDP captures this. If consumers were not spending the GDP would not rise.

Additionally, over the last 10 years inflation has remained almost historically low.[/QUOTE]Seen GDP and immediately thought of group double penetration. Can we throw a little pussy power buying into this talk. Anyone one going to splurge and spend their fed money on a top tier provider or 2?

[QUOTE=BigJay69;4720072]Seen GDP and immediately thought of group double penetration. Can we throw a little pussy power buying into this talk. Anyone one going to splurge and spend their fed money on a top tier provider or 2?[/QUOTE]Excellent point. The APOP (Average Price of Pussy) has clearly risen faster than inflation since I have been in the hobby. For a lousier and lousier product. Amazing how many ladies with average looks, average performance, and a vanilla menu think they are worth 2. 5 for an hour. Shit, in my first year hobbying I had an hour duo (that ended up as 2 hours with seconds during a group shower) for that same price with Sasha Black and Cupcake. The Days of Wine and Roses.

The good (old) dr.

[QUOTE=DrDave39;4720084]Excellent point. The APOP (Average Price of Pussy) has clearly risen faster than inflation since I have been in the hobby. For a lousier and lousier product. Amazing how many ladies with average looks, average performance, and a vanilla menu think they are worth 2. 5 for an hour. Shit, in my first year hobbying I had an hour duo (that ended up as 2 hours with seconds during a group shower) for that same price with Sasha Black and Cupcake. The Days of Wine and Roses.

The good (old) dr.[/QUOTE]Here is a reminder. Sasha and Cupcake (CC) in the shower together. The moment you mentioned taking a shower together, I remembered this pic from one of their ad posts in the old advertiser thread.

Now that we have this image burned into our brains for spankbank material, one question remains. Who was in the shower with them that took this photo?

[QUOTE=BengalMan;4719424]Your headline was an absolute lie. The tax cut DECREASED tax revenues.

The rest of your spin was nothing more than right wing mantras, not true republican intelligence.

The military was never "gutted" by austerity. That's just comical. Extreme Right Wingers love to say that! Just to support massive military expenditures.[/QUOTE]This shows one of the biggest differences in the viewpoints. You assumed the word "TAX" in his comment. I could care less about tax revenues, and actually would prefer to see them decrease. He was referring to the revenues that matter, and taxes don't. The less money in the hands of the government, the better. Government does not have the ability to create wealth, that only occurs in the private sector.

My goals are smaller government, less restriction, and more personal freedom. If the constitution doesn't list a power, it shouldn't exist. Every president for the past 80 years or so has been expanding the scope and power of the federal government, and it shouldn't be the case. The federal government was meant to be small, with the majority of the power residing with the states. Almost every 3 letter government agency and bureau shouldn't exist.

The military was gutted during the Obama administration, because that wasn't a priority of his. The two party system and the career politicians are what has destroyed the country.

[QUOTE=FortunateSon1;4720119]This shows one of the biggest differences in the viewpoints. You assumed the word "TAX" in his comment. I could care less about tax revenues, and actually would prefer to see them decrease. He was referring to the revenues that matter, and taxes don't. The less money in the hands of the government, the better. Government does not have the ability to create wealth, that only occurs in the private sector.

My goals are smaller government, less restriction, and more personal freedom. If the constitution doesn't list a power, it shouldn't exist. Every president for the past 80 years or so has been expanding the scope and power of the federal government, and it shouldn't be the case. The federal government was meant to be small, with the majority of the power residing with the states. Almost every 3 letter government agency and bureau shouldn't exist.

The military was gutted during the Obama administration, because that wasn't a priority of his. The two party system and the career politicians are what has destroyed the country.[/QUOTE]First off we currently spend close to 150 billion a year more than the next nine nations combined on our military. Man the pussy I could buy with 716 billion dollars. Second. Partially due to the war Obama inherited from President Cheney and Vice President John Bolton the first few years of Obama's tenure saw significant increases in the military budget, got close to 800 BILLION dollars. Then tapered off as the wars drew down to a paltry 612 billion for the year 2016. Come on dude, just be frank and don't gaslight us. You don't like Obama, I have a pretty good idea why, but don't sit here and tell me that spending over 600 billion dollars a year on the military is "gutting it" when countries like China and Russia spend a quarter of that. SMH.

[QUOTE=BengalMan;4717759]NAFTA by design took out the higher priced jobs for the unskilled and uneducated. Big difference.

They sew jeans in Mexico for 2 bucks an hour. A border collie can do this work. No need to pay Americans 20 bucks to do it. The displaced simply needed to get advanced skills or advanced education. The FREE job training programs were there for decades; some were just too lazy to partake.

The facts of NAFTA. They hurt. Sorry.

And all you fellow Republicans, know this, we Republicans voted for it, support it, and love it. It is PURE CAPITALISM. The free market.[/QUOTE]Pure capitalism sucks. American borders collies need work too. Some fellow hard working Americans are born with IQ's under 100, and they are our Brothers and Sisters. And there is no reason they shouldn't have decent jobs that afford them a comfortable life. Reagan changed that. That was the turning point where it was OK to ship their jobs to China and leave them in the dust of despair. I remember a book called "Who moved my cheese", a bunch of greedy selfish traitors moved their cheese. Everyone was doing pretty good before greed became acceptable. "If men were Angels no government would be necessary".

[QUOTE=FortunateSon1;4720119]This shows one of the biggest differences in the viewpoints. You assumed the word "TAX" in his comment. I could care less about tax revenues, and actually would prefer to see them decrease. He was referring to the revenues that matter, and taxes don't. The less money in the hands of the government, the better. Government does not have the ability to create wealth, that only occurs in the private sector.

My goals are smaller government, less restriction, and more personal freedom. If the constitution doesn't list a power, it shouldn't exist. Every president for the past 80 years or so has been expanding the scope and power of the federal government, and it shouldn't be the case. The federal government was meant to be small, with the majority of the power residing with the states. Almost every 3 letter government agency and bureau shouldn't exist.

The military was gutted during the Obama administration, because that wasn't a priority of his. The two party system and the career politicians are what has destroyed the country.[/QUOTE]It's a LIE that the military was "gutted" under Obama. You know it, I know it, anyone intelligent knows it, and Jim Jaimes described the facts perfectly in his post.

I want to address your Libertarian "the federal government needs to get out of the way" hypocrisy.

Yes, the Dudley Do-Right constitutionalists LOVE to sing this tune. And then:

When the shit hits the fan, like as in, a Pandemic!

"The federal government needs to help us! Why isn't the federal government doing more? Why are these senators not giving my state more money? Help! Help!

Yeah get real with your high and mighty libertarian bullshit.

BengalMan and DNut get it, too! I love charts. Thanks, BengalMan. I would love to know what people's careers are. There are some very educate folks in here. And some not, as well.

You all ought to stop this nonsense. Civil discourse isn't going to change anyone's opinion, and this doesn't even qualify as civil. Once a mind is made up or an opinion is formed it isn't going to change no matter what is said. The hardest thing in the world to open is a closed mind, from either side of the aisle. Let's stop with the political shit and get back to discussing pussy and the women we love or don't.

[QUOTE=BengalMan;4720364]It's a LIE that the military was "gutted" under Obama. You know it, I know it, anyone intelligent knows it, and Jim Jaimes described the facts perfectly in his post.

I want to address your Libertarian "the federal government needs to get out of the way" hypocrisy.

Yes, the Dudley Do-Right constitutionalists LOVE to sing this tune. And then:

When the shit hits the fan, like as in, a Pandemic!

"The federal government needs to help us! Why isn't the federal government doing more? Why are these senators not giving my state more money? Help! Help!

Yeah get real with your high and mighty libertarian bullshit.[/QUOTE]

I totally agree with you. All I can say is that I am glad this shit is in the Octagon. Speculation, conjecture and conspiracy theories are just ramblings of bored people. Nothing that is said will change the outcome or find out answers any quicker.

The answers will come eventually or they won't. We should be concentrating getting through this as best as we can.

[QUOTE=Buster6914;4720413]You all ought to stop this nonsense. Civil discourse isn't going to change anyone's opinion, and this doesn't even qualify as civil. Once a mind is made up or an opinion is formed it isn't going to change no matter what is said. The hardest thing in the world to open is a closed mind, from either side of the aisle. Let's stop with the political shit and get back to discussing pussy and the women we love or don't.[/QUOTE]