"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

She claims to want a monthly allowance vs ppm but with these girls ghosting after payday I learned to pay weekly. Per usual, ghosted after a couple meets. Made out ok as total investment worked out to under 300 ppm. Physical appearance was lovely with bolt ons. Oral skills average, pussy was ok but not as tight as I was hoping for at 22. She verified birth control and BBFSCIP is possible, YMMV. I had the impression she was always searching for a bigger fish and guessing she found her a simp and moved on. She is back active on the site so likely just cycled again.

Advice for success: Leverage her greed against her. Overpromise, underdeliver and prepare for a ghosting.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/74946cc9-bf5e-4322-954e-1dd4128b1926[/URL]

[QUOTE=HollowGuy;6356112]No. There is some foolish Tiktok influencer that tells the girls they should be getting 1 k a month. She puts on sugaring skits teaches the girls how to finesse and everything. She had over 1 m views on her skits. And you know this generation takes social media as law.[/QUOTE]1 K per month is actually reasonable, and I would absolutely see a girl who was good with 1 K a month. Though I wouldn't pay them 1 K up front, I would make sure they understood we'd do a weekly allowance when we meet up that adds up to be 1 K a month until we develop enough trust that I know she's not going to ghost. Which means I'm paying her 250 each week when I see her since I generally do weekly meets with my regular. 250/ week is good, and it's great if she can also host. And a girl who will take 200-250 a week is a lot more likely to be treated by me to dinner dates, day trips somewhere fun, or gifts.

That's another thing some girls struggle to understand. It's actually in their best interest to have a more reasonable allowance because I, and others I bet, are much more likely to take you on weekend trips or buy you that handbag for your birthday if the allowance isn't breaking the bank.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;6365085]1 K per month is actually reasonable, and I would absolutely see a girl who was good with 1 K a month. Though I wouldn't pay them 1 K up front, I would make sure they understood we'd do a weekly allowance when we meet up that adds up to be 1 K a month until we develop enough trust that I know she's not going to ghost. Which means I'm paying her 250 each week when I see her since I generally do weekly meets with my regular. 250/ week is good, and it's great if she can also host. And a girl who will take 200-250 a week is a lot more likely to be treated by me to dinner dates, day trips somewhere fun, or gifts.

That's another thing some girls struggle to understand. It's actually in their best interest to have a more reasonable allowance because I, and others I bet, are much more likely to take you on weekend trips or buy you that handbag for your birthday if the allowance isn't breaking the bank.[/QUOTE]I read a good rule of thumb that states 10% of after tax income is disposable. If you run the numbers it's right at 1000/ month for 150 K income. That's probably the sweet spot for a long term arrangement and I have been there several times with two meets per week when SA was new. The last go round for me was a struggle with the majority of girls asking for 2 k and 600-800 ppm. One even had the audacity to tell me I really needed to commit to 2 k as we were perfect for each other after I declined her. After a couple months on the site I had 3 attempts for allowances fail / ghost me, but did score some contacts for 200-400 ppm and one MILF who just wants a nice dinner and a big D when I visit.

When talking these girls off the ledge I ask them if they get 2 k, followed by how long it lasts. Most don't get that amount but know a friend who has a steady arrangement at that level (lies they tell each other). The ones who claim to get that much say it only lasts a month or two then the guy bails. I draw two conclusions.

1 - The instagram influencer lifestyle BS is fake fantasy land drama and the extravagant lies sowed there grow into unrealistic expectations for all girls.

2 - There are some simps out there that also believe this crap, buy into the hype, and are desperate enough to save up cash for a 1-2 month fling.

The most unfortunate truth is that there are probably a gaggle of good solid guys that could afford somewhere in the 500-800 month range, but are immediately dismissed for not "valuing my time. " These chicks would rather suffer fees and interest on a late credit card than cater to a commoner (or two) and live way better than they do now. Entitlement seemingly knows no limits.

So I just renewed yesterday after about 3-4 months. First of several reviews in my first 24 hours back.

This one messages me first. Said she liked my profile and we might be a match. OK. I'll bite. Pics were OK. We moved to text and she was saying all the right things. She's 18 and in college. Biology major. Right! We traded experiences about our previous arrangements. Again all good. While I didn't propose a number, I did tell her about a previous arrangement with a grad student where I picked up some bills and left her a couple Bens when we got together. Picked up the texts next day (today), and she said "I was thinking 600". Unplayed clueless and just said "600?" She said, yeah, financials we were discussing yesterday. I said if you're saying per meet, that's beyond my capability, and I'd wish you luck. She said thanks!

Where do these gals get such an entitled attitude. Any of you guys want to bring her up right at $600 a pop, have at it.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/8236d7de-1240-43ef-9d78-4e3708da4d6c[/URL]

[QUOTE=TallGuy3000;6365758]So I just renewed yesterday after about 3-4 months. First of several reviews in my first 24 hours back.

This one messages me first. Said she liked my profile and we might be a match. OK. I'll bite. Pics were OK. We moved to text and she was saying all the right things. She's 18 and in college. Biology major. Right! We traded experiences about our previous arrangements. Again all good. While I didn't propose a number, I did tell her about a previous arrangement with a grad student where I picked up some bills and left her a couple Bens when we got together. Picked up the texts next day (today), and she said "I was thinking 600". Unplayed clueless and just said "600?" She said, yeah, financials we were discussing yesterday. I said if you're saying per meet, that's beyond my capability, and I'd wish you luck. She said thanks!

Where do these gals get such an entitled attitude. Any of you guys want to bring her up right at $600 a pop, have at it.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/8236d7de-1240-43ef-9d78-4e3708da4d6c[/URL][/QUOTE]FYI the link is to your message inbox, not your profile, so it's not viewable by us.

I just got a text from a potential that I originally spoke with a few months ago, but I got distracted by my regular and let this one fall off. She texts me her OF link out of the blue. I tell her that's cool but I'm only looking for SBs and if she's interested in being one to let me know. Text back and forth some, and sure enough she's agreed to meet up for 300 PPM and will host.

I really don't get the 500+ conversations ya'll are having. Even if a girl does approach me with that, there's at least a dozen different negotating tactics you can use to get them to come down. I promise any girl that throws out 500 will fuck you for 300. You just have to make her feel comfortable, safe, and make it her idea.

For instance, in the case Tallguy here ran into, I'd ask her "Well, if we do 600 I can only see you once a month. Wouldn't you rather make more than 600 per month?" Of course she'll say yes. "How about we do 1000 a month instead?" "OMG that sounds perfect" "Great, we'll start off doing it weekly and take things from there. ".

Be smart about this guys.

[QUOTE=TallGuy3000;6365758]So I just renewed yesterday after about 3-4 months. First of several reviews in my first 24 hours back.

This one messages me first. Said she liked my profile and we might be a match. OK. I'll bite. Pics were OK. We moved to text and she was saying all the right things. She's 18 and in college. Biology major. Right! We traded experiences about our previous arrangements. Again all good. While I didn't propose a number, I did tell her about a previous arrangement with a grad student where I picked up some bills and left her a couple Bens when we got together. Picked up the texts next day (today), and she said "I was thinking 600". Unplayed clueless and just said "600?" She said, yeah, financials we were discussing yesterday. I said if you're saying per meet, that's beyond my capability, and I'd wish you luck. She said thanks!

Where do these gals get such an entitled attitude. Any of you guys want to bring her up right at $600 a pop, have at it.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/8236d7de-1240-43ef-9d78-4e3708da4d6c[/URL][/QUOTE]Your link is to your messages. I searched her name from your post title. Here she is:

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/43ecc555-8801-468a-ab51-b6d4c52ca70b[/URL]

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;6365965]FYI the link is to your message inbox, not your profile, so it's not viewable by us.

I just got a text from a potential that I originally spoke with a few months ago, but I got distracted by my regular and let this one fall off. She texts me her OF link out of the blue. I tell her that's cool but I'm only looking for SBs and if she's interested in being one to let me know. Text back and forth some, and sure enough she's agreed to meet up for 300 PPM and will host.

I really don't get the 500+ conversations ya'll are having. Even if a girl does approach me with that, there's at least a dozen different negotating tactics you can use to get them to come down. I promise any girl that throws out 500 will fuck you for 300. You just have to make her feel comfortable, safe, and make it her idea.

For instance, in the case Tallguy here ran into, I'd ask her "Well, if we do 600 I can only see you once a month. Wouldn't you rather make more than 600 per month?" Of course she'll say yes. "How about we do 1000 a month instead?" "OMG that sounds perfect" "Great, we'll start off doing it weekly and take things from there. ".

Be smart about this guys.[/QUOTE]Good point G4 G. Here's one thing I noticed about dollar amounts and negotiating. Most, not all, women are below average negotiators. Allowances are much lower, for me, when I invest in a meet and greet coffee chat in person compared to when I throw numbers via text. Most women hold a strong line sight unseen but in person the numbers are reasonable.

Now this isn't full proof. I have negotiated perfect allowances in person and then get the "I was thinking" text the next day when those women were behind the safety of text messaging. But my overall point is you're more likely to get the rack rate via text message versus in person when they have already invested time getting ready, battling traffic and have money in their faces. Ripper.

[QUOTE=NewAnonymousName;6362251]I read the poor review of SmartAngel, and MyPleasure1215's profile disappeared while we were in the middle of a promising chat. So I'm back to square one.

Can anyone recommend any MILFs in their 30's or 40's who are easy going and don't have unreasonable money expectations?[/QUOTE]Go see Andies Palace.

[QUOTE=NewAnonymousName;6365973]Your link is to your messages. I searched her name from your post title. Here she is:

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/43ecc555-8801-468a-ab51-b6d4c52ca70b[/URL][/QUOTE]I messaged her when she first showed up. I don't have profile photos, I share them with highly potential candidates. I explained why in my message, and she was "All good. " That's all. Nothing more. I was all good as well and moved on without further messaging.

$600, LOL, looks like that "All good" was a precursor to what she was potentially going to ask.

Wants 800 ppm, I was a hard pass. I never verified she was real either.

[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?userId=71815287[/URL]

[QUOTE=DocHolliday35;6366422]Go see Andies Palace.[/QUOTE]It took me some searching, but I think you mean the tall woman with fake tits that's a professional escort and has a new seeking profile every week or two. She's not my type. I'm looking more for the sex crazed middle aged mom doing this on the side rather than a hardened escort. I'm also not a big fan of fake tits. But thanks for the recommendation -- her athletic body is very impressive for a woman in her early 40s. If I look at her pictures a couple more times, I might just make an exception on my initial reluctance to see a seasoned escort with fake tits. Haha

Any info on her? Gives me Pro vibes.

https://members.seeking.com/member/bec41d42-09de-4107-8617-62bd8a9006b2

[QUOTE=TallGuy3000;6365758]

Where do these gals get such an entitled attitude.][/QUOTE]From a Woke western society, filled with misandry. They are programmed to be like this.

[QUOTE=BumbaCloth;6367056]Any info on her? Gives me Pro vibes.

https://members.seeking.com/member/bec41d42-09de-4107-8617-62bd8a9006b2[/QUOTE]Honestly? I'd stay away. She's a pro, and openly admits to being a SW and previously having a pimp. Was talking to her for a couple of days, and every single possible activity I threw at her was always "yes", and I was getting deliberately crazy weird with the requests. Then she sends me a long ass voice mail in the middle of the night from the ER, and she had me confused with someone else, going on about about "I'm in here for the reason I told you I could only do oral for the next few weeks". Like WTF? Just no.

[QUOTE=NewAnonymousName;6365973]Your link is to your messages. I searched her name from your post title. Here she is:

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/43ecc555-8801-468a-ab51-b6d4c52ca70b[/URL][/QUOTE]I've had her for 5 hours at $300, and it took all of 10 minutes to get her to that number.