Wild & Irresponsible LE Speculation... let me add to it!
I really hesitate to add to this churn that gets everybody all upset, anxious, and most likely needlessly nervous, but here I go:
While LE reports have focused on just ONE ownership chain in Orlando (NDS/KMS/King), the observations about Sheriff elections may be relevant across the two counties involved. A little light research on the Osceola County Sheriff Election indicates that (in my WAY less than expert analysis), of the four candidates, two of them seem viable. Of those two, one is the single term incumbant and seems to get a lot of criticism in media and from other LE groups for being inexperienced, borderline ineffective, and demonstrating ineffective leadership among the deputies, while the main contender looks to be more qualified, more organized, more thoughtful in his positions on various aspects of running the office. Both candidates are Democrat with no other party on the ballot, which means the August 18th Primary is the defacto decision point for who get's the job. If ANY of that is even close to the actual competitive situation, it would seem to mean there's a real battle for the hearts-n-minds (and votes) of the electorate. A "crack-down" on AMP's would seem to be a logical side-effect of this. I didn't bother to look into the Orange County Sheriff's election beyond the fact there are FIVE candidates on the ballot. ALL are Democrat, with the same deal here that the August 18th Primary will be the end of the "campaigning" (and hopefully the end of the urge to demonstrate 'street toughness' with AMP crack-downs).
Elections aside, the Kraft-debacle relied on what has turned out to be pretty much illegal surveilance cameras (or at least pretty much thrown out as evidence) that were placed under a "bomb threat" ruse, whereby LE gained access to physically place their cameras. I trust (perhaps recklessly) that ALL AMP owners are "on" to any little trick like that by now, so I believe that there is minimal risk that there will be any video evidence, legal or not, in play with the current situation around Orlando. One point made below that, whether LE behaves 'legally' or not, or plays 'fairly' or not, if they find some reason to start arresting mongers, only to cut them lose later, that little tour through the County Criminal Justice System still bears potential negative consequences for lots of guys.
What I haven't seen anyone irresponsibly speculate about yet is the fact that the current "lead" managers of the NDS/KMS/King/et.al. chain, being Yuki and Mona, were long time highly experienced staff employees at the now closed Cherry Blossom AMP on North Bumby. THAT place was closed down under a cloud of mystery (at least I don't recall seeing any reliable explanation) with some members here even reporting that they witnessed a swarm of SWAT vehicles descend on the place with helmuted, flack-jacketed, long-gun bearing, commandos running all around. Whether that description was accurately rendered or not, the fact appears to remain that NONE of the activity surrounding the raid and closure appeared anywhere in local news media. When does THAT ever happen!? I'm sort of guessing that there MAY possibly be SOME members here who have a close enough relationship with Yuki and/or Mona to have discreetly asked them just what the heck went on there and gotten some sort of explantion, which that member may well have vowed not to disclose, and I don't dispute anyone's right to keep such information confidential, but a little hint would at least go a long way to dispell any wild rumors about that situation. Back on topic, and without benefit of knowing ANYTHING about what actually went down at Cherry Blossom, an irresponsible and speculative gossip might wonder if there was some kind of tax issue, or 'organized crime' situation at Cherry Blossom with some higher level people targeted for arrest/capture (i.e. NOT the girls and certainly not the customers). If THAT were true, then *PERHAPS* some of those targeted high level people evaded capture and have now burrowed deeper into the woodwork (to avoid detection) but are STILL involved in financially backing the operations ostensibly "run" by Yuki and Mona. If LE were to become aware, or even incorrectly conclude, that NDS/KMS/King are a resurrection of whatever was going on at Cherry Blossom that warranted the raid and closure, they might be expected to apply focus accordingly.
The point of that last paragraph boils down to simply identifying a common thread (Yuki and Mona) between two situations where LE was involved. In the case of Cherry Blossom, we all know the result (closure) if not the actual circumstances. Extrapolation of that situation, taking into account that common thread, may make one wonder if the same thing will end up being the result in the curent situation. What occurs to me is that traffic stops are NOT the way (in my opinion) for LE to discreetly go about any sort of investigation of such things, so this probably isn't a consideration here.
Gee. This is fun! Fiction can be so enthralling! I should write a screenplay treatment for the 3rd season of the revived Perry Mason on HBO!
The Cherry Blossom Saga. Finally found the news reports!
[QUOTE=Barolo;4895561]The is no secret about what happened to Cherry Blossom. Go look at articles in the paper. Kim, her sister, her husband and another man, all arrested under RICO. Over $300k from bank accts, 40k in cash hidden in a car and gold bars confiscated.[/QUOTE]Back at the time (2017 if I recall correctly), I searched and searched for some kind of news reports and didn't find any. Then I got bored and quit even thinking about it. I think I *DO* read this thread pretty thoroughly and, while I may well have missed it, I don't recall seeing any summary report here, even as much as you just reported, so thanks for the info.
When I "go look at articles in the paper", as suggested, I see that this only got reported just in December of 2019, like TWO YEARS after closure. I found this link when Googling the phrase "Cherry Blossom RICO arrest":
[URL]https://www.dailypress.com/os-ne-ly-kim-nguyen-rico-massage-spa-20191206-epeinumk7vfp5psxb45wtbqkk4-story.html[/URL]
That article (dated 12/6/2019) appears to be written as NEW information as of publishing date. If that's accurate, then I assume the details were (understandably) kept under wraps until the prosecution had their case fully assembled.
While interesting, that's all still ancient history (2017) and doesn't appear to be focused on clients, nor even the providers for that matter. I still don't see how any of that could be related to LE doing harrassent stops of clients at KMS or NDS today. That just makes no sense that LE would be SO obvious if they really had anything on the establishments themselves. If one wanted to really stretch one's imagination, I suppose one theory could be that LE is attempting to dry up their cash-flow for purposes of "tracking" existing assets, or something like that. Like I said originally... totally irresponsible speculation! I should just keep that crap for my Perry Mason script/screenplay!
Let's all go back to talking about the Sheriff Elections and note that the Sheriff in Lake County is apparently running UNOPPOSED (must be a swell guy) with no motivation to conduct this type of LE work, although I think that's an "AMP-wasteland". Meanwhile, Seminole County incumbant Sheriff (Republican) only has one opponent (Democrat), so the August 18th Primary is meaningless there and the November general election will be the culmination of their attention-grabbing activities.
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New Day or NOT NEw Day, that is the question!
[QUOTE=NiceGuy1956;4896808]I'm passing through for the night. Got in mid-afternoon and decided to try out one of the sought after spots. NDS was closest to my hotel; headed there. Was greeted by a forty-something in cutoff jeans and a non-descript tee shirt. She took me back and we settled on an hour; gave her. 80. She then alerts me that it will be 15 minutes and I might want to content myself with a shower by myself. I said, "no", grabbed my 80 from her tray and told her I would think about a return. Though I had no intention of doing so. Drove over to Island...[/QUOTE]A "forty-something in cutoff jeans and a non-descript tee shirt" sure doens't sound like you were in the same NDS that I've been in (several times), nor does the "take a shower by yourself" offer, or the "money on a tray" practice.
*I'm* wondering if you were really in the Massage place at the other end of the string of stores in that multiple building strip shopping center complex. I don't even know what that place is called, nor do I remember reading any reports about it other than guys going there by accident. I've attached two screen shots of the different store fronts, each labeled to identify which is which. If you could take a look at those pics and then confirm which place you were in, that would be helpful. To hear that the real NDS has started presenting itself in the manner you describe would be disappointing, but still good to know for sure. Thanks!
Also, I've got to try to get over to Island sometime. There's been a number of positive reports but I haven't been able to tear myself away from the other places yet! If I remember correctly, Island is next to a gas station on the southeast corner of I-Drive and Municipal Drive (and with very little room for parking), right?
You are correct about Island
[QUOTE=DrWilly;4896948]A "forty-something in cutoff jeans and a non-descript tee shirt" sure doens't sound like you were in the same NDS that I've been in (several times), nor does the "take a shower by yourself" offer, or the "money on a tray" practice.
*I'm* wondering if you were really in the Massage place at the other end of the string of stores in that multiple building strip shopping center complex. I don't even know what that place is called, nor do I remember reading any reports about it other than guys going there by accident. I've attached two screen shots of the different store fronts, each labeled to identify which is which. If you could take a look at those pics and then confirm which place you were in, that would be helpful. To hear that the real NDS has started presenting itself in the manner you describe would be disappointing, but still good to know for sure. Thanks!
Also, I've got to try to get over to Island sometime. There's been a number of positive reports but I haven't been able to tear myself away from the other places yet! If I remember correctly, Island is next to a gas station on the southeast corner of I-Drive and Municipal Drive (and with very little room for parking), right?[/QUOTE]Yes, that's where Island spa is located.
