"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Wooooaaaaaa. Whoooooooo. She......

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2972974]Well she did contact me and said she was having car trouble. Now she did have issues the first time we met too. So we did not meet Saturday. But she said she wanted to reschedule. Yeah. Yeah. She texts the next day and says she should have her car back Monday if I would like to meet that eve. Ding ding. I said ok. We had a nice 2 hour dinner. Have made plans for Saturday eve. This will not be a fast process but I think once in. She is in for the long haul. She communicates well. Too. Not 24 hr later oh what you texted me? BS. Spas far as body. She is built exactly like Bella Thorne. Photo attached in case you do not know who Bella is.[/QUOTE]

Here's an interesting Vanity Fair article about the "sugar" lifestyle:

[URL]http://www.vanityfair.com/style/2016/07/welcome-to-the-new-prostitution-economy[/URL]

Anybody have thoughts about the piece?

Did the author get it right? Most of it? Some of it?

Anyone have a comment regarding the interesting aspect about black women at the end of the article?

Derringer.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;2984956] Everyone expects entitlement, you expect younger hotter pusy and these girls expect a better class of guy which in their mind that's what a sd is supposed to be.[/QUOTE]I don't view it that way. I crave sexual variety, so I seek out sex with random hot girls. I definitely don't feel entitled to that sexual variety, it's more of a personality flaw that I am compelled to address, either by remaining in a long-term relationship or leaving the long-term relationship (so for now I choose what I see as the lesser of two evils, which is to play with SBs but only in a way that it does not interfere with my relationship). Aside from the variety, I never felt entitled to hot young girls, I just find they make better sugar babies than the older broads. Maybe the cougar-aged ones respond differently to other SDs, I can only speak to how they respond to me.

When I was civy dating I did not specifically seek out young girls -- in fact if they were under 30 or so, they were just time-fillers for me, because my real goal was to find someone of appropriate maturity that I enjoyed spending time with outside the bedroom. You could even say I specifically avoided them under the age of 26 or so, because they still have too much living to do and thus aren't relationship material for me.

One thing I can confirm from experiences in civy dating -- there are plenty of women out there who are both capable of and willing to earn a living through a combination of education and hard work, and some of them are every bit as hot as the SBs on the site. And, many of them do not come with this built-in mindset that men and women are equal in all things, except for the minor difference that the men should pick up the tab on everything.

That last sentence is what I refer to when I bring up the idea of entitlement.

[QUOTE=Derringer;2985114]Here's an interesting Vanity Fair article about the "sugar" lifestyle:
[URL]http://www.vanityfair.com/style/2016/07/welcome-to-the-new-prostitution-economy[/URL]
Anybody have thoughts about the piece?
Did the author get it right? Most of it? Some of it?
Anyone have a comment regarding the interesting aspect about black women at the end of the article?
Derringer.[/QUOTE]I don't know, they lost me at $700/ hr and "guys who look like John McCain". At the going rate of my aging progression that would be me somewhere around age 90+, and by that time hopefully I'm just rounding out the bucket list (which most likely will not involve paying $700 an hour for pussy).

THERE HAS BEEN ALOT OF DEBATE ABOUT THE TERMS "SUGAR BAY" AND ESCORT / PROSITUTE". Meaning they are the same. But to me. A true SB is NOT dating multiple daddies. And this article mixes the hourly visits and girls who see multiples as anSB. To me they are not. They are the escorts and prositiutes. My take anyway. I require exclusivity with my SB. Its is kinda like GF lite though. And I help out icy girls I've dated so this is just more straight forward. Ideally with less drama. But ultimately a LT SB. Drama creeps in.

[QUOTE=Derringer;2985114]Here's an interesting Vanity Fair article about the "sugar" lifestyle:

[URL]http://www.vanityfair.com/style/2016/07/welcome-to-the-new-prostitution-economy[/URL]

Anybody have thoughts about the piece?

Did the author get it right? Most of it? Some of it?

Anyone have a comment regarding the interesting aspect about black women at the end of the article?

Derringer.[/QUOTE]

I came across a site that gives the skinny on what SBs are thinking.

[URL]https://www.letstalksugar.com[/URL]

[URL]http://www.vanityfair.com/style/2016/07/welcome-to-the-new-prostitution-economy[/URL]

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2985255]I don't know, they lost me at $700/ hr and "guys who look like John McCain". At the going rate of my aging progression that would be me somewhere around age 90+, and by that time hopefully I'm just rounding out the bucket list (which most likely will not involve paying $700 an hour for pussy).[/QUOTE]Every SB is different. Every SD is different. We all have different tastes, preferences, proclivities and MOs. But $700 an hour? Can I afford that? Sure. I can afford $700 for a nice meal too. The question is whether I want to pay that. There isn't a pussy in the world I would pay $700 an hour for. Not even close. VF focused on a very tiny slice of the sugar world. I am not sure it even qualifies as part of the sugar world. It is the rarefied upper air of old ugly urban gents with enough dough to pay high priced call girls $700 an hour, which would appear to be the same to them as $7 is to me. In that context what does it matter what you look like or how skillfully charming you are in getting into a girl's pants. You can afford to pay a lot for pussy. And a lot will be available for $700 an hour. LOL.

This seems to me a rehash of the Elliot Spitzer scandal. He was paying enormous prices for call girls and the one they showed pics of as his favorite, Asley Dupre, was good looking. But worth $700 an hour?

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;2986257][URL]http://www.vanityfair.com/style/2016/07/welcome-to-the-new-prostitution-economy[/URL]

Every SB is different. Every SD is different. We all have different tastes, preferences, proclivities and MOs. But $700 an hour? Can I afford that? Sure. I can afford $700 for a nice meal too. The question is whether I want to pay that. There isn't a pussy in the world I would pay $700 an hour for. Not even close. VF focused on a very tiny slice of the sugar world. I am not sure it even qualifies as part of the sugar world. It is the rarefied upper air of old ugly urban gents with enough dough to pay high priced call girls $700 an hour, which would appear to be the same to them as $7 is to me. In that context what does it matter what you look like or how skillfully charming you are in getting into a girl's pants. You can afford to pay a lot for pussy. And a lot will be available for $700 an hour. LOL.

This seems to me a rehash of the Elliot Spitzer scandal. He was paying enormous prices for call girls and the one they showed pics of as his favorite, Asley Dupre, was good looking. But worth $700 an hour?[/QUOTE]$700 an hour for the people that have the money is swers price for them. But as you said the terms are different for everyone. For me if your negotiating an hour or multiple of time your have urself a hooker. Whether from CL to the girls that move in those circles where money is no object it spells hooker.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;2986257]This seems to me a rehash of the Elliot Spitzer scandal. He was paying enormous prices for call girls and the one they showed pics of as his favorite, Asley Dupre, was good looking. But worth $700 an hour?[/QUOTE]Personal taste is what it is, but I would need some well-developed beer goggles before I could fuck Ashley Dupre. Not that she's fat or anything, she's very fit but she's just got that Joe Francis face and that female volleyball player build, I just don't see anything sexy there. I have similar WTF reactions in most of these celebrity scandals. I remember when the Bill Clinton scandal first broke, and I got a look at Monica Lewinsky, I was like holy fucking cow remind me never to go into politics, if that's the kind of pussy the president of the US gets then I need to stay right where I am in life. Donald Trump is about the only politician I'm aware of that has an even reasonable sense of what good pussy is, but that won't make him a good president. My girlfriend asked me if I thought it would be him or Hilary and I said given the choice between a president with a voice like an air raid siren and a guy who can at least spot the difference between a 7 and a 9 I'll take the latter. But what a disastrous lineup.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2986313]Personal taste is what it is, but I would need some well-developed beer goggles before I could fuck Ashley Dupre. Not that she's fat or anything, she's very fit but she's just got that Joe Francis face and that female volleyball player build, I just don't see anything sexy there. I have similar WTF reactions in most of these celebrity scandals. I remember when the Bill Clinton scandal first broke, and I got a look at Monica Lewinsky, I was like holy fucking cow remind me never to go into politics, if that's the kind of pussy the president of the US gets then I need to stay right where I am in life..[/QUOTE]I am definitely with you on this one. I will take my [post=11845][b] Fuck Bunny[/b][/post] over Ashley Dupre any day of the week. And I am not paying NEARLY what Eliot Spitzer was paying.

Monica Lewinsky? A pillowy, average looking gal. I would put her in my line-up with the right attitude and price. But you are right; that is pretty sad pussy for the top dog of the US! LOL.

[QUOTE=Derringer;2985114]Here's an interesting Vanity Fair article about the "sugar" lifestyle:

[URL]http://www.vanityfair.com/style/2016/07/welcome-to-the-new-prostitution-economy[/URL]

Anybody have thoughts about the piece?

Did the author get it right? Most of it? Some of it?

Anyone have a comment regarding the interesting aspect about black women at the end of the article?

Derringer.[/QUOTE]The first girl, Miranda, sounds more like an upscale escort than a SB. She talks about "$700 an hour for sex" and "a rotation of three regular 'clients' I think the author got some of it right. I wouldn't be surprised if she exaggerated or made a few things up to made it more interesting. These kind of articles seem to come out every couple weeks.

I personally am not attracted to most black women because I am not into the genetics: big flat nose, frizzy hair, thick frames. The few that I am attracted to are generally called mixed and have obviously had some Caucasian ancestors based on their features. Think Rihanna or Tinashe.

I have been in sugar hell the last few weeks, stuck in an 8,000 population town out in the middle of Flyover. There is not a single SB within 25 miles that has logged in within the last three months.

Then yesterday, while eating at one of the local restaurants, I decide to log onto SA. A new profile was added that day to the town I am in. She says she is a waitress. She looks familiar, as in one of the waitresses working where I am eating. I quickly do a little sleuthing and come up with her Facebook page and see she lists that she works at the restaurant that I am eating at. It is her.

What would you guys do? Would you approach her the next time you are at her place of work or would you take the easier route of contacting her through SA? My pictures are all private, so she does not know I have seen her on the website.

SDX.

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;2986497]
What would you guys do? Would you approach her the next time you are at her place of work or would you take the easier route of contacting her through SA? My pictures are all private, so she does not know I have seen her on the website.
[/QUOTE]No question about it, approach her through the website and not at her work. Unlock your private photos for her and say "you're not going to believe this but I think we've met" or similar. Pretend to be a little reserved or embarrassed about the whole matter in order to draw out a little bit of assertiveness in her to ensure she responds (last thing you want to do is scare her away).

When people are at work, often times they are in a different mental mode and may not want to mix personal things (dating, especially sugar dating) with their day job. Even though it's just a waitressing gig, you never know if she's one of these people or not. Far less chance of her getting away if you contact her through the site.

The only exception to this is if the site shows she has not read your message (I. E. For example she created her profile but never logged back into her mail to check it, sometimes they go weeks without checking their sugar email). It sounds like you may not have infinite time to wait, so if she doesn't read your message in the next day or two then I'd say you might look into the in-person alternative and talk to her at work. Its not ideal but better than letting her get away completely.

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;2986489]The first girl, Miranda, sounds more like an upscale escort than a SB. She talks about "$700 an hour for sex" and "a rotation of three regular 'clients' I think the author got some of it right. I wouldn't be surprised if she exaggerated or made a few things up to made it more interesting. These kind of articles seem to come out every couple weeks.

I personally am not attracted to most black women because I am not into the genetics: big flat nose, frizzy hair, thick frames. The few that I am attracted to are generally called mixed and have obviously had some Caucasian ancestors based on their features. Think Rihanna or Tinashe.[/QUOTE]Personal taste in women is just that. Personal. I have had quite a few black women as SBs and they can be quite delightful. It's not always the case but is it just me or does it seem that the average black girl is much better at BJs than the average Caucasian girl? Plus, more black women seem to be able to DT me. Chubby women of all races seem to suck cock better too. Maybe it has to do with mouth and throat structure?

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;2986650]It's not always the case but is it just me or does it seem that the average black girl is much better at BJs than the average Caucasian girl? [/QUOTE]Stunningly coincidental you should ask that. Somewhere in this forum is a discussion from maybe a year or two back where I made the same observation (I don't recall anyone agreeing with me at the time or maybe they just didn't respond). My observation is just that black girls seem to put more effort and enthusiasm into it. I've found a lot of black girls have a fetish for white guys and thus enjoy the thought of pleasing them. Maybe its just the excitement of something different. The percentage of total sex partners I've had that were either black or mixed with black is actually not that high, but the ones I've had sure seemed enthusiastic about giving head, and enthusiasm is everything.

I've learned to proceed carefully in the hunt for black SBs though. A couple of times I've come across black POTs who were saying all the right things in initial communication, only to look them up on FB and find them posting hate about white people in general, etc. I don't want to give that type of girl the time of day. I'm not racist so neither should they be. This happened with at least two stunners that you would never call a ghetto rat by looking at their pics on the site, but when you look at their lifestyle you realize they are bad news.