Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=PVenkman;3049203][URL]http://www.kitv.com/clip/12687796/honolulu-massage-parlor-part-of-prostitution-bust[/URL]

This video says the owners of Empire were arrested and indicted too. Shows at the end of the video.[/QUOTE]From how I heard it, they didn't get Ivy, but charged a couple of the girls that worked here as if they were the owners. I won't say who, as it's irrelevant, but it just goes to show you how the city grasps at straws sometimes. Now, I don't know how true what I just said is, but I heard it from one of the girls that they tried to charge as an owner.

As for this recent bust, based on what they've said, my guess is that they're going after owners and maybe even mamas, and are looking at girls paperwork just in case they can get a federal charge thrown in the mix, but hey, I've been wrong before.

[QUOTE=Nutmaker;3049330]From how I heard it, they didn't get Ivy, but charged a couple of the girls that worked here as if they were the owners. I won't say who, as it's irrelevant, but it just goes to show you how the city grasps at straws sometimes. Now, I don't know how true what I just said is, but I heard it from one of the girls that they tried to charge as an owner.

As for this recent bust, based on what they've said, my guess is that they're going after owners and maybe even mamas, and are looking at girls paperwork just in case they can get a federal charge thrown in the mix, but hey, I've been wrong before.[/QUOTE]They took Ivy away. They didn't arrest Papa or any of the girls as none of the girls were there when ICE came. She got tipped by her lawyer it would seem. She was there collecting booze and other stuff when they came. They let her go later and she was there with a handy man who was taking apart the tables the next day. Ivy knew it was coming, the front door camera was already gone.

[QUOTE=Blake123;3049168]In this newscast @02:23, Kaneshiro was quoted as saying the new sex trafficking law had nothing to do with the Gogo Spa case. Given the fact that Gogo Spa had been under investigation since January and the sex trafficking law was only recently passed, I can believe his statement.

[URL]http://www.kitv.com/clip/12687796/honolulu-massage-parlor-part-of-prostitution-bust[/URL][/QUOTE]I noticed that Kathryn Xian wasn't featured in the story. Most likely it's because of her own recent arrest. Must sting a bit to be left out of a news report like this.

[QUOTE=Blake123;3049315]My point was that Gogo Spa would have been busted even if there had been no new sex trafficking law. I thought it was pretty clear.[/QUOTE]Yes, the specific Hawaii law upon which the indictment is based has been in existence since 1972.

Well we all knew this was coming sooner or later. The new sex trafficking law will be a wake up call for mamas and owners. There is no way of getting around the sex trafficking because almost all the girls come from a different state to work here. So if you have 5 girls from Cali or NY that's 5 counts already of human or sex trafficking. The MP owners and Mamas may know the law and will not care because they make so much money but will realize just how serious trouble they will be in when the shit hits the fan. Will Gogo be the example of what's to come? Who knows. But I'm sure this won't be the last. Its all good till its not.

[QUOTE=PVenkman;3049203][URL]http://www.kitv.com/clip/12687796/honolulu-massage-parlor-part-of-prostitution-bust[/URL]

This video says the owners of Empire were arrested and indicted too. Shows at the end of the video.[/QUOTE]The reporter also said that several other massage parlors were also under investigation.

[QUOTE=Redneck1;3049692]Yes, the specific Hawaii law upon which the indictment is based has been in existence since 1972.[/QUOTE]Remember, the last go around, the girls were arrested for sexual assault. All the charges were dropped because they couldn't prove anything.

How can they prove that Gogo Spa was profiting from prostitution if they can't prove prostitution was occurring in the first place.

All Gogo Spa does is rent rooms for an hour to spend time relaxing with a staff member. Why is that an illegal business?

The only illegal thing would be if their employees were not legally employed or contracted. Or, they didn't pay for their business licenses.

[QUOTE=Kalani69;3049768]The reporter also said that several other massage parlors were also under investigation.[/QUOTE]At least we know the prosecutor's new strategy, go after the owners. They'll use arrested workers and John's to cooperate against the owners of these establishments. They may also pressure landlords too. All this will do is drive the sex trade underground making it less safe for all of us.

I guess going after abusive pimps is too difficult. They arrested one pimp thus far.

I've always held the belief that society allows these businesses to flourish bc they provide a vent. You remove the oldest profession then see what happens. I don't think it ends well.

Babylon is fucked up. They're not that dumb. Why else would they afford themselves to sample while investigating. The whole thing is a crock of shit.

[QUOTE=BotoMoco;3049719]Well we all knew this was coming sooner or later. The new sex trafficking law will be a wake up call for mamas and owners. There is no way of getting around the sex trafficking because almost all the girls come from a different state to work here. So if you have 5 girls from Cali or NY that's 5 counts already of human or sex trafficking. The MP owners and Mamas may know the law and will not care because they make so much money but will realize just how serious trouble they will be in when the shit hits the fan. Will Gogo be the example of what's to come? Who knows. But I'm sure this won't be the last. Its all good till its not.[/QUOTE]I believe that there will be a chilling effect on opening new establishments to replace the ones closed down. That will be the beginning of the end of AMPs in the state. I agree with DarthTyranus who said that it's going to drive the sex industry underground, where it will be available only to, and provided by, a select few.

I could not help but noticing all these busts involve Chinese operators. Hmmm. Too bad. These places had some of the hottest providers who gave us mongers great service. RIP Mayflower & Empire. Damn it.

K2.

[QUOTE=Kefe2;3050111]I could not help but noticing all these busts involve Chinese operators. Hmmm. Too bad. These places had some of the hottest providers who gave us mongers great service. RIP Mayflower & Empire. Damn it.

K2.[/QUOTE]Incidentally, if I remember correctly Empire closed in August 2015. Memories, RIP Empire.

[QUOTE=Goser;3049789]Remember, the last go around, the girls were arrested for sexual assault. All the charges were dropped because they couldn't prove anything.

How can they prove that Gogo Spa was profiting from prostitution if they can't prove prostitution was occurring in the first place.

All Gogo Spa does is rent rooms for an hour to spend time relaxing with a staff member. Why is that an illegal business?

The only illegal thing would be if their employees were not legally employed or contracted. Or, they didn't pay for their business licenses.[/QUOTE]They did find articles that normally wouldn't be present in a legit massage establishment--such as condoms, whips, etc. Circumstantial evidence, I suppose?

[QUOTE=Goser;3049789]Remember, the last go around, the girls were arrested for sexual assault. All the charges were dropped because they couldn't prove anything.

How can they prove that Gogo Spa was profiting from prostitution if they can't prove prostitution was occurring in the first place.

All Gogo Spa does is rent rooms for an hour to spend time relaxing with a staff member. Why is that an illegal business?

The only illegal thing would be if their employees were not legally employed or contracted. Or, they didn't pay for their business licenses.[/QUOTE]Although personally I hope that the GoGo Spa prosecution fails, it appears from news reports that the prosecutor will have some evidence of prostitution, because according to the prosecutor at least one provider and some "johns" are cooperating with the authorities. Additional supporting evidence could be condoms, lube, etc., seized during the raid, and credit card transaction records (GoGo Spa advertised that it accepted credit cards). Also, the prosecution could offer one of the defendants (who has already been identified as less culpable) a sweet deal to become a witness for the government.

[QUOTE=BotoMoco;3049719]Well we all knew this was coming sooner or later. The new sex trafficking law will be a wake up call for mamas and owners. There is no way of getting around the sex trafficking because almost all the girls come from a different state to work here. So if you have 5 girls from Cali or NY that's 5 counts already of human or sex trafficking. The MP owners and Mamas may know the law and will not care because they make so much money but will realize just how serious trouble they will be in when the shit hits the fan. Will Gogo be the example of what's to come? Who knows. But I'm sure this won't be the last. Its all good till its not.[/QUOTE]The question is, is this law going to be used as a real tool against the continued existence of AMPs or is it going to be used as a tool of coercion to get AMP owners to pay the fuck up. The other question is, how much of this is just talk? Talk for reelection, or just the usual PR spin elected officials shoot off ("The homeless is a challenging problem for our island ohana. We need more education for our keiki. Look at all the Hawaiian words I'm using. Rail is going to come in under budget. ") or do they really mean it (yeah, I'd be as surprised as you are if this is the case).

Also keep in mind that Kaneshiro has had a lousy track record when it comes to going up against this sort of thing — past prostitution busts and the game room prosecutions. Seems almost personal now.

So if this is some Dudley Do-Right, the outlook is very, very bad. The best case scenario is that this just part of some shakedown by the HPD.

[QUOTE=Redneck1;3050262]Although personally I hope that the GoGo Spa prosecution fails, it appears from news reports that the prosecutor will have some evidence of prostitution, because according to the prosecutor at least one provider and some "johns" are cooperating with the authorities. Additional supporting evidence could be condoms, lube, etc. , seized during the raid, and credit card transaction records (GoGo Spa advertised that it accepted credit cards). Also, the prosecution could offer one of the defendants (who has already been identified as less culpable) a sweet deal to become a witness for the government.[/QUOTE]Kaneshiro didn't seem to have any problems retrying the game room case over and over again. Even if he loses, if he's willing to keep on retrying cases, he can easily make running an AMP an unprofitable enterprise just by dragging people into court over and over again.

[QUOTE=Redneck1;3050262]Additional supporting evidence could be condoms, lube, etc. , seized during the raid, [/QUOTE]The description of and the arrangement of the whips, restraints and emphasis on condoms during the Hawaii News Now report made me chuckle. They'd find way more interesting things if the police raises a dorm at the UH.

[QUOTE=DangerBoy;3050263]The question is, is this law going to be used as a real tool against the continued existence of AMPs or is it going to be used as a tool of coercion to get AMP owners to pay the fuck up. The other question is, how much of this is just talk? Talk for reelection, or just the usual PR spin elected officials shoot off ("The homeless is a challenging problem for our island ohana. We need more education for our keiki. Look at all the Hawaiian words I'm using. Rail is going to come in under budget. ") or do they really mean it (yeah, I'd be as surprised as you are if this is the case).

Also keep in mind that Kaneshiro has had a lousy track record when it comes to going up against this sort of thing past prostitution busts and the game room prosecutions. Seems almost personal now.

So if this is some Dudley Do-Right, the outlook is very, very bad. The best case scenario is that this just part of some shakedown by the HPD.[/QUOTE]I think with the new sex trafficking law that is the game changer. Hawaii never had this before and since most of the girls come from another state its so easy to pin the owners for trafficking. This in turn corners the girl to work with the cops or feds identifying the mama etc. They for sure are not going to take the rap. They are just prostitutes. The owners and mamas are the ones they want to get. Probably along with trafficking there is going to be money laundering and tax evasion. You can just see how the prosecution will go in a case like this. I don't think we mongers have to worry they don't want us. We are just horny fuckers getting our load off. I don't think this will stop any of them though they all believe its not going to happen to them till it does.

I think she goes by viet lily. I just knew her as lily. Waaaay back, in her rakuen days. Does anyone know if she is still around? And if she is still an AMP? If so, where or how can I get in touch with her?

Mahalos to all you braddahs out dea. I've never been to any of those "spas," but was seriously thinking of checking them out this eve. As you can see from my previous post, I'm looking for viet lily, and I heard she might be working at one of those spas at that building. But thanks to you guys writing about the very recent bust. I think I'll pass. Bummers, b-because junior is feeling energetic today.

If the majority of local mongers, out of fear, quit patronizing Honolulu AMPs, and the best providers decide to leave town for safer cities, I'm wondering if, regardless of what transpires in court, a bunch of the AMPs will go belly-up via customer and employee attrition? Maybe this is the bottom-line intended goal of the powers-that-be in this current situation?

This was just your one or two a year bust just for Public Satisfaction. As you can see by the three owners, they were greedy and didn't play by the AMP rules. You don't see all the other AMPz scared or shutting down, because they know that their covered. Kaneshiro had a big flop on the news regarding the gambling machine raids. Twice he failed with that bust. Now watch for the counter suits against the city for that failed prosecution and arrest.
Even cops got convicted for kicking guys in the face and throwing chairs.

Plus a GoGo's provider spilled the beans against these owners more than likely because they were treating her and their girls unfairly. AMPz been open for decades. They get raided, then reopen soon after. They provide good cover money for HPD. They just have to play the game. So keep on amping, or better yet, find a independent. AMPz are always the target because their exposed to the public.

Rus

[QUOTE=DangerBoy;3050265]Kaneshiro didn't seem to have any problems retrying the game room case over and over again. Even if he loses, if he's willing to keep on retrying cases, he can easily make running an AMP an unprofitable enterprise just by dragging people into court over and over again.[/QUOTE]Negative, that gambling case will probably make him lose re-election. AMPZ are here to stay. The law even stopped undercover from having any type of physical contact with providers. The only real thing that they go for is human trafficking, or providers working w / o green cards. It's hard to bust prostitution w / o contact, unless the provider was stupid enough to discuss sex for a dollar amount prior to the actual action. A provider can have sex with an undercover cop, never discuss $, or accept $, and the cop will have nothing on her. The GoGo provider was busted and probably didn't have a choice but to cooperate. I been amping since the 70's, pretty sure it's not going away. Monger on.

Rus.

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ2oXzrnti4[/URL]

Felt like Paula and I had Kison all to ourselves tonight. I don't recall hearing anything outside our room. Did some drive-bys and everything looked quiet around 2 am. I'm sure things will pick up again soon, just like always after someone goes down.

[QUOTE=CosmicKid;3050461]If the majority of local mongers, out of fear, quit patronizing Honolulu AMPs, and the best providers decide to leave town for safer cities, I'm wondering if, regardless of what transpires in court, a bunch of the AMPs will go belly-up via customer and employee attrition? Maybe this is the bottom-line intended goal of the powers-that-be in this current situation?[/QUOTE]Visit your favorite girl this week, so they don't leave on bacation. Best time is after a bust. I support the ones that use real pictures.

[QUOTE=MongersRus;3050604]The law even stopped undercover from having any type of physical contact with providers. [/QUOTE]The current version of Hawaii's basic prostitution law does not prohibit undercover investigating officers "from having any type of physical contact with providers". Rather, it only restricts officers from engaging in "sexual penetration or sadomasochistic abuse".

[QUOTE=Redneck1;3051079]The current version of Hawaii's basic prostitution law does not prohibit undercover investigating officers "from having any type of physical contact with providers". Rather, it only restricts officers from engaging in "sexual penetration or sadomasochistic abuse".[/QUOTE]I concur. HB1926.

Amends the offense of prostitution to include sadomasochistic abuse under the definition of "sexual conduct" and clarify that a law enforcement officer shall not be exempt from the offense if the law enforcement officer engages in sexual penetration or sadomasochistic abuse while acting in the course and scope of duties. Amends the offense of solicitation of a minor for prostitution. Clarifies sentencing of repeat offenders and enhanced sentences for repeat violent and sexual offenders. Amends the applicability of a deferred acceptance of guilty plea or nolo contendere plea. (HB1926 CD1).

Basically providers just need to be smart on how to handle undercovers. Most normal mongers would or should not negotiate tips before the deed. That should be the sign of LE. They trap you into offering or agreeing on a price, and that's it, your busted.

[QUOTE=Asstro;3050985]Visit your favorite girl this week, so they don't leave on bacation. Best time is after a bust. I support the ones that use real pictures.[/QUOTE]Amen Asstro. I couldn't agree more. I know I'm can't be described as a true source as I don't normally have much to say or post about but we all know who we can trust and who we can't. Not sure about further raids and such but I feel that the good parlors and girls will always be about giving the best services they can no matter what is going on. They might be more skeptical about newer mongers but think they will always take care of the ones they know and trust. I'm being kinda watchful of things these days but not going to stop seeing the girls I want to see and I know they appreciate that. Be safe but still have fun gang.

Anyone got info on this one [URL]http://honolulu.backpage.com/BodyRubs/%EF%B8%8F-%EF%B8%8Fperfect-and-satisfying-%EF%B8%8F-%EF%B8%8Fspecial-skills-%EF%B8%8F-every-man-s-erotic-fantasy-%EF%B8%8F-%EF%B8%8F100-satisfation-/5503844.[/URL] Type of services, do's and don'ts, etc. Lmk PM if needed. TIA.

[QUOTE=Redneck1;3051079]The current version of Hawaii's basic prostitution law does not prohibit undercover investigating officers "from having any type of physical contact with providers". Rather, it only restricts officers from engaging in "sexual penetration or sadomasochistic abuse".[/QUOTE]So what you're saying is the cops can show their dicks, get touchy freely, but no FIV or FIA or Sm stuff. And in theory a female cop could show her tits and vag (though I doubt you find any women that dedicated to their job with the HPD).

So the new LE check should be doing a little FIV or FIA and maybe a little spanking when meeting a new girl?

[QUOTE=DangerBoy;3057253]So what you're saying is the cops can show their dicks, get touchy freely, but no FIV or FIA or Sm stuff. And in theory a female cop could show her tits and vag (though I doubt you find any women that dedicated to their job with the HPD).

So the new LE check should be doing a little FIV or FIA and maybe a little spanking when meeting a new girl?[/QUOTE]The pertinent wording in the basic prostitution law is that the law "shall not apply to any member of a police department, a sheriff or a law enforcement officer acting in the course and scope of duties, unless engaged in sexual penetration or sadomasochistic abuse". However, H.P.D. also has its own internal policy regarding what is and isn't permissible in prostitution investigations, but won't reveal its policy to the public. Of course, there's also the possibility of the law enforcement officer lying, which some are prone to do when there are no non-police witnesses (other than the suspect) and no audio or video recording that would contradict the officer's version of the encounter.

[QUOTE=Redneck1;3058159]The pertinent wording in the basic prostitution law is that the law "shall not apply to any member of a police department, a sheriff or a law enforcement officer acting in the course and scope of duties, unless engaged in sexual penetration or sadomasochistic abuse". However, H.P.D. also has its own internal policy regarding what is and isn't permissible in prostitution investigations, but won't reveal its policy to the public. Of course, there's also the possibility of the law enforcement officer lying, which some are prone to do when there are no non-police witnesses (other than the suspect) and no audio or video recording that would contradict the officer's version of the encounter.[/QUOTE]If true that's the most fucking ridiculous shit I've ever heard. How crazy is it that HPD has no checks and balances with even secret internal policies? Janky as fuck. We need to be able to watch these fools more closely.

Hopefully body cameras are coming soon.

[QUOTE=Redneck1;3058159]The pertinent wording in the basic prostitution law is that the law "shall not apply to any member of a police department, a sheriff or a law enforcement officer acting in the course and scope of duties, unless engaged in sexual penetration or sadomasochistic abuse". However, H.P.D. also has its own internal policy regarding what is and isn't permissible in prostitution investigations, but won't reveal its policy to the public. Of course, there's also the possibility of the law enforcement officer lying, which some are prone to do when there are no non-police witnesses (other than the suspect) and no audio or video recording that would contradict the officer's version of the encounter.[/QUOTE]Doesn't matter what the law says for HPD hitting up on providers. Like Kaneshiro said on the news, he's not hitting on the providers, he's going after the owners. Just got word from a very good source that the owners of Ampz are getting letters from the Immigration Dept, to show up at 300 Ala Moana Blvd (Federal Building), and present all of your proof of providers employment, payroll statements, GE license, wage taxes, etc.

Now C'Mon., what percentage of these Ampz will be able to present all legal information and documents. Most of them will state that all transactions are cash, which is fine, but they will need to show a document trail of how much & who got the cash. Hmmm? Very low percentage. Providers come and go so fast, a lot w / o green cards. Working Visa, fine legal but no proof of wages. A lot of them Illegal Aliens, most of what Empire had. Most should survive this wave of crack downs, almost all will be fined. Some will not want the hassle and shut down, but they will all be heavily inconvenienced and think twice. One monger commented about Apmz disappearing. Could happen. For us Mongers sake, I don't think so, and hope not, but this wave of crack downs may be one of the most serious in recent times. Independent might be the way to go. No providers to employ.

Monger On soon, frequent and many!

Rus.

[QUOTE=MongersRus;3058684]Doesn't matter what the law says for HPD hitting up on providers. Like Kaneshiro said on the news, he's not hitting on the providers, he's going after the owners. Just got word from a very good source that the owners of Ampz are getting letters from the Immigration Dept, to show up at 300 Ala Moana Blvd (Federal Building), and present all of your proof of providers employment, payroll statements, GE license, wage taxes, etc.

Now C'Mon., what percentage of these Ampz will be able to present all legal information and documents. Most of them will state that all transactions are cash, which is fine, but they will need to show a document trail of how much & who got the cash. Hmmm? Very low percentage. Providers come and go so fast, a lot w / o green cards. Working Visa, fine legal but no proof of wages. A lot of them Illegal Aliens, most of what Empire had. Most should survive this wave of crack downs, almost all will be fined. Some will not want the hassle and shut down, but they will all be heavily inconvenienced and think twice. One monger commented about Apmz disappearing. Could happen. For us Mongers sake, I don't think so, and hope not, but this wave of crack downs may be one of the most serious in recent times. Independent might be the way to go. No providers to employ.

Monger On soon, frequent and many!

Rus.[/QUOTE]What about MT owners? A lot employ unlicensed and anybody that wants to try out. I think they should also be at the Federal Building too.

What about MT owners? A lot employ unlicensed and anybody that wants to try out. I think they should also be at the Federal Building too.

Quote Originally Posted by MongersRus.

Doesn't matter what the law says for HPD hitting up on providers. Like Kaneshiro said on the news, he's not hitting on the providers, he's going after the owners. Just got word from a very good source that the owners of Ampz are getting letters from the Immigration Dept, to show up at 300 Ala Moana Blvd (Federal Building), and present all of your proof of providers employment, payroll statements, GE license, wage taxes, etc.

I heard the same thing about owners getting letters from Homeland Security. I think the unlicensed places will be going down if they don't come up with some creative bullshit on how they are employing all these girls. Its so transparent how can you hide from something like this.

[QUOTE=SlideHammer;3058538]Hopefully body cameras are coming soon.[/QUOTE]HPD is the only police dept in the state to not have a body cam pilot program, from my understanding.

Probably because the chief is as deep in shit as his officers are.

[QUOTE=MongersRus;3058684]Doesn't matter what the law says for HPD hitting up on providers. Like Kaneshiro said on the news, he's not hitting on the providers, he's going after the owners. Just got word from a very good source that the owners of Ampz are getting letters from the Immigration Dept, to show up at 300 Ala Moana Blvd (Federal Building), and present all of your proof of providers employment, payroll statements, GE license, wage taxes, etc.

Now C'Mon., what percentage of these Ampz will be able to present all legal information and documents. Most of them will state that all transactions are cash, which is fine, but they will need to show a document trail of how much & who got the cash. Hmmm? Very low percentage. Providers come and go so fast, a lot w / o green cards. Working Visa, fine legal but no proof of wages. A lot of them Illegal Aliens, most of what Empire had. Most should survive this wave of crack downs, almost all will be fined. Some will not want the hassle and shut down, but they will all be heavily inconvenienced and think twice. One monger commented about Apmz disappearing. Could happen. For us Mongers sake, I don't think so, and hope not, but this wave of crack downs may be one of the most serious in recent times. Independent might be the way to go. No providers to employ.

Monger On soon, frequent and many!

Rus.[/QUOTE]I thought the providers worked for themselves and are considered independent contractors who are responsible for their own paper work and what not, like strippers at a club.

Probably because the chief is as deep in shit as his officers are. You hit the nail right in the head. Most officers would rather not wear body cameras because then they got to act like real HPD officers. Most would say I forgot to turn it on after I beat the shit out of the bastard because he was resisting. So I tasered him and used my baton to get his hands behind his back so I could put the cuffs on. You will be filmed so put your best behavior when you are on duty. And don't forget to erase the violent acts of your behavior when your put on paid leave for an internal investigation. Just my perception for those that are bad ass.

[QUOTE=DangerBoy;3059138]HPD is the only police dept in the state to not have a body cam pilot program, from my understanding.

Probably because the chief is as deep in shit as his officers are.[/QUOTE]Probably because the chief is as deep in shit as his officers are. You hit the nail right in the head. Most officers would rather not wear body cameras because then they got to act like real HPD officers. Most would say I forgot to turn it on after I beat the shit out of the bastard because he was resisting. So I tasered him and used my baton to get his hands behind his back so I could put the cuffs on. You will be filmed so put your best behavior when you are on duty. And don't forget to erase the violent acts of your behavior when your put on paid leave for an internal investigation. Just my perception for those that are bad ass.

[QUOTE=MiriKitani;3059243]I thought the providers worked for themselves and are considered independent contractors who are responsible for their own paper work and what not, like strippers at a club.[/QUOTE]If you work for an AMP, the owner of the AMP is responsible. If your independent that work by yourself no problem form a apartment. You can justify income. You AMP owner with girls rotating in / out, hard to justify or claim.