"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Lebruno;2980482]Recently I too fell victim to the platonic coed syndrome. Its funny to find out that I am not alone in this. One of the 20 yo Platonic Coed that I'm working on claims to be a virgin and that she is saving her 'sex' for the one she would fall in love with. And, in her mind she expects someone to pay her at least 150 - 200 per visit for acting as an arm candy and go out as a dinner date. I'm like, seriously? You must be smoking something! Another, Coed told me candidly that she is not an animal to get physical and have sex right away. Then I asked her why does she think physical connection means just having sex. I told her for me being able to hold someone's hand is a physical connection. Asked her if she has a problem with that. She said of course not. Then I escalate and ask her how about cuddling. She giggles and says of course we can cuddle and that she loves to cuddle. I escalate further and ask her what's her thoughts about kissing. She sheepishly grins and says of course she has enjoyed kissing and that has always given her a good feeling. LOL. Then I was thinking with some work perhaps one could effectively convert many platonic SBs to SBs that ooze with passion and sex. LOL. Would love to hear from experts here what has been their experience with converting platonic Co-ed to fully comply with the FC code.[/QUOTE]Good luck with that but if it doesn't work for ya you will be posting how she led you on or scammed you. She will plàwhy the game till you push for the full deal then be in the wind.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;2980482]Recently I too fell victim to the platonic coed syndrome. Its funny to find out that I am not alone in this. One of the 20 yo Platonic Coed that I'm working on claims to be a virgin and that she is saving her 'sex' for the one she would fall in love with. And, in her mind she expects someone to pay her at least 150 - 200 per visit for acting as an arm candy and go out as a dinner date. I'm like, seriously? You must be smoking something! Another, Coed told me candidly that she is not an animal to get physical and have sex right away. Then I asked her why does she think physical connection means just having sex. I told her for me being able to hold someone's hand is a physical connection. Asked her if she has a problem with that. She said of course not. Then I escalate and ask her how about cuddling. She giggles and says of course we can cuddle and that she loves to cuddle. I escalate further and ask her what's her thoughts about kissing. She sheepishly grins and says of course she has enjoyed kissing and that has always given her a good feeling. LOL. Then I was thinking with some work perhaps one could effectively convert many platonic SBs to SBs that ooze with passion and sex. LOL. Would love to hear from experts here what has been their experience with converting platonic Co-ed to fully comply with the FC code.[/QUOTE]Speaking from my own experiences, I find that when they say 'no sex' it is one of two things: 1) They are just trying to take your cash without ever having to do anything (rinsers) or 2) They see it as a vetting process to weed out a certain type of SD, don't see themselves as a **** or prostitute, or just need some time to be comfortable enough to be intimate. I avoid the first type like the plague. With the second type I am more successful than not getting them to the FC by being nice, acting like a gentleman, and showing them a good time. I make it clear that there is NO sugar for platonic dates (and get a lunch or dinner date with a hot young coed in the process), but am ready to begin the arrangement whenever they feel comfortable. By the second or third date they are ready to go.

[QUOTE=YayaGogo;2980765]Speaking from my own experiences, I find that when they say 'no sex' it is one of two things: 1) They are just trying to take your cash without ever having to do anything (rinsers) or 2) They see it as a vetting process to weed out a certain type of SD, don't see themselves as a **** or prostitute, or just need some time to be comfortable enough to be intimate. I avoid the first type like the plague. With the second type I am more successful than not getting them to the FC by being nice, acting like a gentleman, and showing them a good time. I make it clear that there is NO sugar for platonic dates (and get a lunch or dinner date with a hot young coed in the process), but am ready to begin the arrangement whenever they feel comfortable. By the second or third date they are ready to go.[/QUOTE]I agree with this perspective. I haven't gotten any coeds who show this way to the FC yet, but am messaging with plenty who say 'won't jump right into bed' but clearly have been SBs before, so they know the score.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;2980588]I can't speak for the SB sites because I fish for SBs in different pools like CL, dating sites and strip club takeout. There have always been plenty of married SB prospects on CL. They are generally older (30s and 40s), hornier and less financially demanding than younger, single SBs
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The drawback is that CL can be a challenging and frustrating place to hunt for all the reasons we well know. It requires patience and perseverance to deal with all the crud that comes with CL ads. But it has its rewards: inexpensive hunting; inexpensive arrangements and the pure hot sex on tap that most of us are seeking in the first place.[/QUOTE]1. what part of CL do you post? Casual encounters or m4 w.

2. do you indicate that you're looking for a SB either directly or through hints? If yes is this in the subject or message body.

3. Anything you can suggest for subject or message that increases the chance for success.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2981424]1. what part of CL do you post? Casual encounters or m4 w.

2. do you indicate that you're looking for a SB either directly or through hints? If yes is this in the subject or message body.

3. Anything you can suggest for subject or message that increases the chance for success.[/QUOTE]The trend in California is girls posting on the down-low in the Resumes section. Here is an example.

[URL]https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/res/5660796527.html[/URL]

I just search for ads with images. They always have an image. If you are in Pittsburgh, there are some. Look at this one:

[URL]https://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/res/5651053727.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2981424]1. what part of CL do you post? Casual encounters or m4 w.

2. do you indicate that you're looking for a SB either directly or through hints? If yes is this in the subject or message body.

3. Anything you can suggest for subject or message that increases the chance for success.[/QUOTE]I don't post on CL. I look for posts of females looking for males. I try to respond to their posts in the spirit their posts are written and tell them a little about me, but I mention have they ever thought about a SB arrangement and go from there. Most never reply but you have to work hard on the ones that do. Charm is the key, just like in all SB hunting.

Dove back in last week. Here's what I've observed in DC (and some poking around in Boston and NYC):

- definite uptick in married women. Did a M&G. She just wasn't the right type for me, but someone else here in DC who likes busty Latinas should give her a try.

- very active. As active as it has ever been. The first week is always overwhelming. Between catching up on all the new babies and dealing with unsolicited messages, I've been overwhelmed.

- huge group of horny late 20 and early 30 somethings.

- a lot of "heard about it from a friend".

- not as many obvious UTR chicks as before.

- a lot of "online only I will sell you my pics" types. Based on interactions with some I wonder whether they are scams (though curiosity got the best of me and the pics lined up, so I think they are just doing what they do.

Feels like the top of the market to me.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;2981678]I don't post on CL. I look for posts of females looking for males. I try to respond to their posts in the spirit their posts are written and tell them a little about me, but I mention have they ever thought about a SB arrangement and go from there. Most never reply but you have to work hard on the ones that do. Charm is the key, just like in all SB hunting.[/QUOTE]Have you thought of working for SB as a recruiter?

[QUOTE=Lebruno;2980482]Recently I too fell victim to the platonic coed syndrome. Its funny to find out that I am not alone in this..[/QUOTE]Here's a quote from the last 22 yo I contacted: "I'd much rather get paid for my time. Then my vagina ".

She has in her profile she wants someone bossy in the bedroom but then freaks out when I say I don't pay for platonic dinner dates after she presses for what I pay as an allowance. I figured she was going to be difficult as she has in all caps at the bottom of her page:

" I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR A SUGAR DADDY FOR MONTHS BUT I HAVE HAD NO LUCK, PLEASE DO NOT WASTE MY TIME".

Now I know why!

[blue]Lol, no shit. Some idiot will eventually give her some money for the privilege of groveling at her feet. Nothing I see so far has changed my mind that this whole "sugar bowl" isn't bringing the worst of having a girlfriend into what used to be a simple financial transaction.

Too many of those chicks expect you to pay them for the privilege of not fucking them.

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[QUOTE=A2;2982213]
[blue]Lol, no shit. Some idiot will eventually give her some money for the privilege of groveling at her feet. Nothing I see so far has changed my mind that this whole "sugar bowl" isn't bringing the worst of having a girlfriend into what used to be a simple financial transaction.
Too many of those chicks expect you to pay them for the privilege of not fucking them.
A2[/blue][/QUOTE]I have an easy solution to the last sentence, just don't give them anything until after fucking. It acts as a built-in filter for the type of girls we don't want, and discourages the entitled platonic princesses from even keeping an active account.

There is a tremendous amount of variance in the bowl -- he's only posting about one type of girl. You find everything in the bowl from virgins to actual SBs to hardened escorts who are posing as SBs. It can at times be the simple financial transaction, or it can be like a girlfriend (with or without the downsides). A lot of SDs (myself included) are in the middle, they enjoy the hunt and don't want the predictability of a simple financial exchange with a high-traffic girl, but don't want the full-on responsibility of civy dating. Then there are others at each end of that, who want the girlfriend or who want the escort. The variety is what makes it interesting to compare notes here I think.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/cc964c4b-a97b-4c94-95b5-3175695a0668[/URL]

Aleahamartzz 18 Hanover. A pic seller only. At least for an older guy like me. YMMV.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2982440]I have an easy solution to the last sentence, just don't give them anything until after fucking. It acts as a built-in filter for the type of girls we don't want, and discourages the entitled platonic princesses from even keeping an active account.

There is a tremendous amount of variance in the bowl -- he's only posting about one type of girl. You find everything in the bowl from virgins to actual SBs to hardened escorts who are posing as SBs. It can at times be the simple financial transaction, or it can be like a girlfriend (with or without the downsides). A lot of SDs (myself included) are in the middle, they enjoy the hunt and don't want the predictability of a simple financial exchange with a high-traffic girl, but don't want the full-on responsibility of civy dating. Then there are others at each end of that, who want the girlfriend or who want the escort. The variety is what makes it interesting to compare notes here I think.[/QUOTE]Whether you like it or not there are plenty of guys who will pay for the arm candy. If they have the money then more power to them. I have other thi ngs to do besides worry about the arm candy girls. Also lets not forget alot of these guys couldn't get a woman without paying. If paying for the company of a woman makes them feel better about themselves then live and let live. Not really any different than the guys that have to have the 18-20 year olds to make them feel better.

Like you said the bowl and sbs mean something different to each. In the end its still being payed for, the GFE.

[QUOTE=TodaysNooner;2982079]Have you thought of working for SB as a recruiter?[/QUOTE]LOL. I think this is a one-on-one deal. It's the personal interaction, first by correspondence and then in person that results in convincing an amateur to go "pro,"as in SB pro. I enjoy the interchange and I am damn good at it. The chase is energizing and half the fun is finding numerous ways to get in these girls' heads who never thought before about doing this, and then in their pants.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;2982565]Whether you like it or not there are plenty of guys who will pay for the arm candy. If they have the money then more power to them. I have other thi ngs to do besides worry about the arm candy girls. Also lets not forget alot of these guys couldn't get a woman without paying. If paying for the company of a woman makes them feel better about themselves then live and let live. Not really any different than the guys that have to have the 18-20 year olds to make them feel better. Like you said the bowl and sbs mean something different to each. In the end its still being payed for, the GFE.[/QUOTE]Sure, if they WANT to pay for just the companionship, I wouldn't judge their right to do so. It's a diverse hobby and everyone gets something different out of it. My suggestion of not paying until after sex is for the guys that want the sex, but keep finding themselves in the platonic bucket, that report back here with their dissatisfaction about things. If there's no problem, then no solution is needed.

I personally don't offer the girl anything, and I do pay, but not until afterward. And, its only an amount that I personally decided she's worth, not the amount she thinks she's worth. I never put her in charge of determining that amount. Sometimes it results in needing to let a few get away but there's always more where that came from.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2982819]
I personally don't offer the girl anything, and I do pay, but not until afterward. And, its only an amount that I personally decided she's worth, not the amount she thinks she's worth. I never put her in charge of determining that amount. Sometimes it results in needing to let a few get away but there's always more where that came from.[/QUOTE]We have all run into the girls who think their pussies are made of gold and worth a LOT, even when they won't give it to you and want to be paid for companionship, LOL. They just don't get that this is a competitive marketplace and prices are determined by supply and demand, and, in the case of most SB transactions, by negotiation. There is an unending supply of SB pussy out there. I find that you can get exactly what you want at exactly the price you are willing to pay if you are patient and stay in control of the negotiation. The person with all the power in a negotiation is the one who can walk away from it. I want that person to be me.