"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

I'm very new to the SB / SD thing. Thanks to this Forum I have gained some insight else I'd be clueless. Based on the advice received here I did take a premium subscription to SA. Thank God for it I did manage to work up a good short list of SBs that are in regular touch and many of them I did manage to move them out to keep in touch over text and snapchat. Overall my biggest frustration is that the amount of baby sitting these sugar babies need. OMG. If patience is not your thing you will have a touch time. It is like fishing in a pond. Many a time we chat actively and make plans to have a date in the next few days. I will go through the process of taking time off from work and other commitments. And, when the time and day comes your SB would either go radio silent or bail out saying that her car broke down or she is not feeling too well or something like that. Damn. Among all these experiences I had one SB who was only 19 was ready to meet right away. She was like 55 miles away and she was even willing to come to my place. I suspected that this had to be a UTR. Then I offered to meet her at a coffee shop mid point and drove to that place thinking that she would not show up. Surprise. She did show up and she seemed genuine. She also did not talk about any Sugar. She said she would love to be my SB slave. And, I was like why don't we sit in my car and chat a little bit as the coffee shop was closing for the night. As I was trying to make some small conversation in the back of my car she surprised me by quickly grabbing my face and planting kisses. Soon she dropped off all her clothes and would have had sex right there. I had to restrain myself with great difficulty as it was still a public parking lot and I ended up having an amazing bbjcim. After cleaning up and a bit of chatting she realized it was past 11 pm and she needed to get back home. In a hurry she said that she hopes to see me later. Still we didn't discuss any sugar. T felt bad that I didn't really plan to exchange sugar during the M&G but I was able to come up with. 40 which I said is for the Gas. After couple days a lot of sexting happened. She was sending me pics of her in the shower and so on. Agreed to go on a date w her this week. She asked if there would b any sugar. Offered $. 5 per meet. Accepted w / o any negotiation. Date and time was fixed. Active exchange of texts until the point I was actually driving to the meeting place. Then she sent the dreaded text. Sorry Car broke down please lets reschedule. Damn. I was insistent that its OK I can come pick her up. She said that she is in a location that she can't meet. Anyways, after couple of exchanges she went radio silent. I'm clueless as to what the fuck happened. Perhaps she will come around after some time. One never can be sure. And, I'm now coming to accept the fact that SBs are weirdly wired. Its hard to deal them logically. Spontaneity clicks. Esp when they are looking for a connection. And, if you catch them at the right moment they are daring, trusting and willing to go all the way.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;2978856]I'm very new to the SB / SD thing. Thanks to this Forum I have gained some insight else I'd be clueless. Based on the advice received here I did take a premium subscription to SA. Thank God for it I did manage to work up a good short list of SBs that are in regular touch and many of them I did manage to move them out to keep in touch over text and snapchat. Overall my biggest frustration is that the amount of baby sitting these sugar babies need. OMG. If patience is not your thing you will have a touch time. It is like fishing in a pond. Many a time we chat actively and make plans to have a date in the next few days. I will go through the process of taking time off from work and other commitments. And, when the time and day comes your SB would either go radio silent or bail out saying that her car broke down or she is not feeling too well or something like that. Damn. Among all these experiences I had one SB who was only 19 was ready to meet right away. She was like 55 miles away and she was even willing to come to my place. I suspected that this had to be a UTR. Then I offered to meet her at a coffee shop mid point and drove to that place thinking that she would not show up. Surprise. She did show up and she seemed genuine. She also did not talk about any Sugar. She said she would love to be my SB slave. And, I was like why don't we sit in my car and chat a little bit as the coffee shop was closing for the night. As I was trying to make some small conversation in the back of my car she surprised me by quickly grabbing my face and planting kisses. Soon she dropped off all her clothes and would have had sex right there. I had to restrain myself with great difficulty as it was still a public parking lot and I ended up having an amazing bbjcim. After cleaning up and a bit of chatting she realized it was past 11 pm and she needed to get back home. In a hurry she said that she hopes to see me later. Still we didn't discuss any sugar. T felt bad that I didn't really plan to exchange sugar during the M&G but I was able to come up with. 40 which I said is for the Gas. After couple days a lot of sexting happened. She was sending me pics of her in the shower and so on. Agreed to go on a date w her this week. She asked if there would b any sugar. Offered $. 5 per meet. Accepted w / o any negotiation. Date and time was fixed. Active exchange of texts until the point I was actually driving to the meeting place. Then she sent the dreaded text. Sorry Car broke down please lets reschedule. Damn. I was insistent that its OK I can come pick her up. She said that she is in a location that she can't meet. Anyways, after couple of exchanges she went radio silent. I'm clueless as to what the fuck happened. Perhaps she will come around after some time. One never can be sure. And, I'm now coming to accept the fact that SBs are weirdly wired. Its hard to deal them logically. Spontaneity clicks. Esp when they are looking for a connection. And, if you catch them at the right moment they are daring, trusting and willing to go all the way.[/QUOTE]Its called being a 19 yo kid. Expect this from the young ones. Sounds like you had a great experience for very minimal price so chalk it up to a win. Probably was utr but you had a good time.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;2978856]I'm very new to the SB / SD thing. Thanks to this Forum I have gained some insight else I'd be clueless. Based on the advice received here I did take a premium subscription to SA. Thank God for it I did manage to work up a good short list of SBs that are in regular touch and many of them I did manage to move them out to keep in touch over text and snapchat. Overall my biggest frustration is that the amount of baby sitting these sugar babies need. OMG. If patience is not your thing you will have a touch time. It is like fishing in a pond. Many a time we chat actively and make plans to have a date in the next few days. I will go through the process of taking time off from work and other commitments. And, when the time and day comes your SB would either go radio silent or bail out saying that her car broke down or she is not feeling too well or something like that. Damn. Among all these experiences I had one SB who was only 19 was ready to meet right away. She was like 55 miles away and she was even willing to come to my place. I suspected that this had to be a UTR. Then I offered to meet her at a coffee shop mid point and drove to that place thinking that she would not show up. Surprise. She did show up and she seemed genuine. She also did not talk about any Sugar. She said she would love to be my SB slave. And, I was like why don't we sit in my car and chat a little bit as the coffee shop was closing for the night. As I was trying to make some small conversation in the back of my car she surprised me by quickly grabbing my face and planting kisses. Soon she dropped off all her clothes and would have had sex right there. I had to restrain myself with great difficulty as it was still a public parking lot and I ended up having an amazing bbjcim. After cleaning up and a bit of chatting she realized it was past 11 pm and she needed to get back home. In a hurry she said that she hopes to see me later. Still we didn't discuss any sugar. T felt bad that I didn't really plan to exchange sugar during the M&G but I was able to come up with. 40 which I said is for the Gas. After couple days a lot of sexting happened. She was sending me pics of her in the shower and so on. Agreed to go on a date w her this week. She asked if there would b any sugar. Offered $. 5 per meet. Accepted w / o any negotiation. Date and time was fixed. Active exchange of texts until the point I was actually driving to the meeting place. Then she sent the dreaded text. Sorry Car broke down please lets reschedule. Damn. I was insistent that its OK I can come pick her up. She said that she is in a location that she can't meet. Anyways, after couple of exchanges she went radio silent. I'm clueless as to what the fuck happened. Perhaps she will come around after some time. One never can be sure. And, I'm now coming to accept the fact that SBs are weirdly wired. Its hard to deal them logically. Spontaneity clicks. Esp when they are looking for a connection. And, if you catch them at the right moment they are daring, trusting and willing to go all the way.[/QUOTE]One thing that has worked reasonably well for me in the past regarding flaky behavior is simply to adopt a zero tolerance policy for flakiness, poor reliability, etc. And communicate that policy loud and clear without ever acting pissed.

Example: 20 year old SB keeps texting me asking when I will be in town next, so I say "Wed", great she says she's so excited to see me again. Then Wednesday comes, and after I'm in town and have pretty much freed up the entire evening for her, she says "my work schedule changed and I have to be there by 8 so I can only spend a couple of hours with you before I go to work". My response is "let's do this some other night when you don't have to work then". Notice I didn't say "can you call your boss and fix your schedule?" I just canceled outright, zero negotiation. Suddenly, she's able to call her boss and fix the issue so she can go in later. Then, after our fuck sessions are over and I finally do take her to work, she gets in the parking lot and decides to call in sick and not go to work at all (almost like she made up her mind she was going to flake on someone that day, it just turned out I wasn't willing to be the victim).

In other words I don't go to the extreme of saying "look, if you can't manage your life well enough to show up reliably for your dates on time, I'm just going to book another SB", but at the same time I make it clear I'm a busy guy and that once I've agreed to a time and place I'm good for it, and that I expect the same from her. Yes it takes some willpower to walk away from pussy sometimes, but just in case she flakes, I try to have a few backup contacts that may or may not be available at the last minute, and failing that I'll find the nearest strip club and hunt there. I'd rather do that then show them that they can jerk my schedule around as they please. But never get pissed or show anger, it would just scare them off.

I also try to confirm with them ahead of time to be sure they are free and clear and can show up when they say they will be there. Fairly often they do the same with me, I'm sure some of them have had their share of flaky SDs.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;2978856]I'm very new to the SB / SD thing. Thanks to this Forum I have gained some insight else I'd be clueless. Based on the advice received here I did take a premium subscription to SA. Thank God for it I did manage to work up a good short list of SBs that are in regular touch and many of them I did manage to move them out to keep in touch over text and snapchat. Overall my biggest frustration is that the amount of baby sitting these sugar babies need. OMG. If patience is not your thing you will have a touch time. It is like fishing in a pond. Many a time we chat actively and make plans to have a date in the next few days. I will go through the process of taking time off from work and other commitments. And, when the time and day comes your SB would either go radio silent or bail out saying that her car broke down or she is not feeling too well or something like that. Damn. Among all these experiences I had one SB who was only 19 was ready to meet right away. She was like 55 miles away and she was even willing to come to my place. I suspected that this had to be a UTR. Then I offered to meet her at a coffee shop mid point and drove to that place thinking that she would not show up. Surprise. She did show up and she seemed genuine. She also did not talk about any Sugar. She said she would love to be my SB slave. And, I was like why don't we sit in my car and chat a little bit as the coffee shop was closing for the night. As I was trying to make some small conversation in the back of my car she surprised me by quickly grabbing my face and planting kisses. Soon she dropped off all her clothes and would have had sex right there. I had to restrain myself with great difficulty as it was still a public parking lot and I ended up having an amazing bbjcim. After cleaning up and a bit of chatting she realized it was past 11 pm and she needed to get back home. In a hurry she said that she hopes to see me later. Still we didn't discuss any sugar. T felt bad that I didn't really plan to exchange sugar during the M&G but I was able to come up with. 40 which I said is for the Gas. After couple days a lot of sexting happened. She was sending me pics of her in the shower and so on. Agreed to go on a date w her this week. She asked if there would b any sugar. Offered $. 5 per meet. Accepted w / o any negotiation. Date and time was fixed. Active exchange of texts until the point I was actually driving to the meeting place. Then she sent the dreaded text. Sorry Car broke down please lets reschedule. Damn. I was insistent that its OK I can come pick her up. She said that she is in a location that she can't meet. Anyways, after couple of exchanges she went radio silent. I'm clueless as to what the fuck happened. Perhaps she will come around after some time. One never can be sure. And, I'm now coming to accept the fact that SBs are weirdly wired. Its hard to deal them logically. Spontaneity clicks. Esp when they are looking for a connection. And, if you catch them at the right moment they are daring, trusting and willing to go all the way.[/QUOTE]Dude, you got hot free sex with a 19 yo. All I can say is congratulations, and I hope I am so lucky.

Great pointers there, Jeez. I feel sometimes flakiness is also because SBs are new to this and chicken out in the last minute. One other question. At times, some of these SBs go radio silent for a while, then message you later giving a lame excuse as to why they flaked out last time. Part of me would feel I should not accept her back with welcome hands and another part of me would try to go with the flow. What would be the best response to seal the deal with flaky SBs second time around?

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2978996]One thing that has worked reasonably well for me in the past regarding flaky behavior is simply to adopt a zero tolerance policy for flakiness, poor reliability, etc. And communicate that policy loud and clear without ever acting pissed.

Example: 20 year old SB keeps texting me asking when I will be in town next, so I say "Wed", great she says she's so excited to see me again. Then Wednesday comes, and after I'm in town and have pretty much freed up the entire evening for her, she says "my work schedule changed and I have to be there by 8 so I can only spend a couple of hours with you before I go to work". My response is "let's do this some other night when you don't have to work then". Notice I didn't say "can you call your boss and fix your schedule?" I just canceled outright, zero negotiation. Suddenly, she's able to call her boss and fix the issue so she can go in later. Then, after our fuck sessions are over and I finally do take her to work, she gets in the parking lot and decides to call in sick and not go to work at all (almost like she made up her mind she was going to flake on someone that day, it just turned out I wasn't willing to be the victim).

In other words I don't go to the extreme of saying "look, if you can't manage your life well enough to show up reliably for your dates on time, I'm just going to book another SB", but at the same time I make it clear I'm a busy guy and that once I've agreed to a time and place I'm good for it, and that I expect the same from her. Yes it takes some willpower to walk away from pussy sometimes, but just in case she flakes, I try to have a few backup contacts that may or may not be available at the last minute, and failing that I'll find the nearest strip club and hunt there. I'd rather do that then show them that they can jerk my schedule around as they please. But never get pissed or show anger, it would just scare them off.

I also try to confirm with them ahead of time to be sure they are free and clear and can show up when they say they will be there. Fairly often they do the same with me, I'm sure some of them have had their share of flaky SDs.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lebruno;2979030]Great pointers there, Jeez. I feel sometimes flakiness is also because SBs are new to this and chicken out in the last minute. One other question. At times, some of these SBs go radio silent for a while, then message you later giving a lame excuse as to why they flaked out last time. Part of me would feel I should not accept her back with welcome hands and another part of me would try to go with the flow. What would be the best response to seal the deal with flaky SBs second time around?[/QUOTE]If they are just going silent in the communication before the M&G ever occurs, then I have a certain amount of tolerance with this, because juggling all the communications can be confusing (and I've sometimes done this myself, unintentionally). There have been a few times where one I was interested in went silent and I just let it go, then the next time I was in or near her city I sent her a note (and almost like clockwork it's back on again). So, there's that, which I don't hold against them. It's easy to get a text on your phone and forget to respond and the next thing you know you haven't talked to the person in a month, just the unfortunate reality of the smartphone era and texting.

But if I schedule a M&G, or a date with them, then it represents a significant investment of time / effort. If she flaked out completely at the last minute, then I'm done and I move on. If it's maybe a day ahead of time when she cancels, then I'd understand, shit happens. But I don't really have the patience to deal with girls that are going to flake out because they are nervous about meeting or whatever. I've met girls that were first-timers and if they are interested enough to meet me then they will, and if not then I don't want a part-time job trying to convince them they should. If a girl acts like that, then by giving her a second chance I just taught her I'm a pushover, and she's most likely going to do it again even worse in the future the way I look at it.

Of course this comes down to your own personal tolerance levels and to what extent you enjoy the cat and mouse effect. I like the hunt and the challenge but I don't consider flakiness an acceptable risk of the sport so to speak. So basically to answer your question, I personally wouldn't give them a second chance but that's not to say everyone should adopt my beliefs.

I'm just of the belief that rewarding bad behavior leads to more of same.

[QUOTE=Vasail;2958716]Just logged on for the first time in months. Good to see some of the old timers still here!

What an informative thread this is, gentlemen.

I have my fake FB page with fake pictures and fake profile. Never visit anyone in my real world from that page. Unlike a lot of you, I keep a tight stable and don't wander too much. I have a few friends here in RIC, a couple in MB and a few have scattered across the country. Only had one go rogue on me and had to be deleted.

One of my babies is bi and her friend was having some money problems. She suggested the three of us get together for some afternoon delight. I gave her some cash and she checked us into a local notel. She actually told the desk clerk we only needed the room for a couple hours. Since then the three of us have made it a regular thing. My SB is tall, thin with a beautiful face and ass. Pierced nipples are an added bonus. Her friend is five foot nothin and a true tight spinner. And a model to boot.

I don't deserve this, my friends.

FB is a fine place to keep your babies if you want to keep them for a while.[/QUOTE]Nice. I'm in RIC area also. Maybe we can exchange some info.

Just passed my 1st year anniversary playing in the bowl. It has its ups and down but after getting platonic coed after coed, I finally gave up and find a 23 yo on Backpage today and got some action after a month long drought.

Probably by September I might get the itch to get back in the chase but for now it is BP weekly. Why go back to the bowl? I just can't DATY with BP girls thinking who was there an hour earlier.

[QUOTE=Velroy;2954795]So i am sure this has been stated but summer has brought a flood of sb. I live in a very isolated part of Virginia and typically see most babies being an hour to 2 hour drive from me. So yeah, I am lucky to get 4 or 5 views a week. Now I am getting 20 to 30 and 5 to 10 messages.

I'm sure they are looking for a nice beach vacation or the lot but it sure is nice to see the options for once.[/QUOTE]Yes. I'm seeing theme thing. I'm in eastern VA.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2949824]They've always been around in one form or another, but over the last several months, across many different cities, I noticed an increase in married SBs on the SD sites. Sometimes they indicate their status accurately in their profile, sometimes not, but they usually reveal it within the first day or so of communication. I don't mean the traditional 30+ year old bored housewife with a seven year itch, I'm talking very hot 20-25 year olds (some who are barely past their honeymoon when they get the itch). There's never been a shortfall of married & cheating women on any dating site, but I don't remember encountering so many that I would otherwise be interested in as someone with SB potential.

What I don't like about them of course is the potential for drama from hubby discovering the naughty. Also, a couple of times I've researched them only to find out their age-appropriate hubby is some guy working his ass off to provide for her and make ends meet, and this brings out a sympathetic side of me that makes me not want to get involved in the situation.

What I do like about them is that the sugar is not their motivation, some aren't looking for it at all. They typically are in it for the excitement, the escape from their daily routine, and in some cases a porn-addicted hubby that doesn't fuck them often enough or show them the level of attention they'd prefer to have. They see it as sort of an upscale AM type "arrangement" where it's not so much about money as it is about simple escapism, and feeling the thrill of dating again (naturally, the terms "romance" or "intimacy" appear often in these discussions with them). The benefit for them, I have to assume, is they see an SD as someone who is less likely to be a creep or stalker (since an SD has something to lose, versus a guy that lives in his parents basement), and his financial success indicates a status higher than her current status (which appeals to most of them). I also think that they see SDs as more willing to play in secrecy, and thus safer prospects for the occasional trysts.

I've actually only taken one of these to the FC in recent weeks, and she actually wasn't an "admitted" married girl (I never asked but she has all the tell-tale signs). And honestly I will probably try to avoid them for the most part. But I do like to understand what makes women tick so I continue to interact with them about a potential meeting. I came close to meeting another one, but due to very restrictive scheduling possibilities on her part (usually a strong indication they are someone's wife), we weren't able to make it happen when I was in her city.

Anyone else noticed an increase in these? It seems like this year they are making up about 10-15% of the total girls I'm interested in meeting. It could be that the actual prevalence numbers are no higher than before, but for some reason there definitely seems to be more in the 20-25 year old bracket, with face and body that make them competitive with any unmarried SB.

Maybe the sugaring sites are being marketed more heavily with specific targeting toward young brides? Doesn't really seem to bode well for the long-term future of the family unit in this country I suppose.[/QUOTE]Yes. I have seen an uptick of married SB's myself. I contacted on and she stated that she was in an open relationship and we had a M&G but it did not work out.

Recently I too fell victim to the platonic coed syndrome. Its funny to find out that I am not alone in this. One of the 20 yo Platonic Coed that I'm working on claims to be a virgin and that she is saving her 'sex' for the one she would fall in love with. And, in her mind she expects someone to pay her at least 150 - 200 per visit for acting as an arm candy and go out as a dinner date. I'm like, seriously? You must be smoking something! Another, Coed told me candidly that she is not an animal to get physical and have sex right away. Then I asked her why does she think physical connection means just having sex. I told her for me being able to hold someone's hand is a physical connection. Asked her if she has a problem with that. She said of course not. Then I escalate and ask her how about cuddling. She giggles and says of course we can cuddle and that she loves to cuddle. I escalate further and ask her what's her thoughts about kissing. She sheepishly grins and says of course she has enjoyed kissing and that has always given her a good feeling. LOL. Then I was thinking with some work perhaps one could effectively convert many platonic SBs to SBs that ooze with passion and sex. LOL. Would love to hear from experts here what has been their experience with converting platonic Co-ed to fully comply with the FC code.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;2980282]Just passed my 1st year anniversary playing in the bowl. It has its ups and down but after getting platonic coed after coed, I finally gave up and find a 23 yo on Backpage today and got some action after a month long drought.

Probably by September I might get the itch to get back in the chase but for now it is BP weekly. Why go back to the bowl? I just can't DATY with BP girls thinking who was there an hour earlier.[/QUOTE]

Agree. I should say I was more lucky than doing anything in particular to bag that trophy. If there was any skill to this I would say being spontaneous and ever ready really helps. If I had not confirmed her request to meet right away I might have never had that chance. As a matter of fact, she has gone cold since then and I'm still trying to meet her for a second time!

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;2979019]Dude, you got hot free sex with a 19 yo. All I can say is congratulations, and I hope I am so lucky.[/QUOTE]

I only took the premium trial membership on SA. I can vouch that the investment is worth multiple times of what I paid based on the potential SBs that I managed to line up for M&Gs. Now my trial will be up for renewal shortly and I do not plan to do so as I have 2 confirmed SBs and about 2 dozen potential SBs that have share their phone numbers with me. Now I have not really gone about creating spreadsheets with SB details for future reference. Now, what exactly happens at SA when I lose my Premium membership status. Would I be able to still view all the private pics that was shared with me? And, what about all the messages that was exchanged. Would they still display after losing the premium status or no? Now, based on your reply I will need to decide if I need to duplicate the data from SA for offline record keeping. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;2980488]I only took the premium trial membership on SA. (Snip) Would I be able to still view all the private pics that was shared with me? And, what about all the messages that was exchanged. Would they still display after losing the premium status or no? Now, based on your reply I will need to decide if I need to duplicate the data from SA for offline record keeping. Thanks.[/QUOTE]You'll still be able to see the private pics. You won't be able to see the messages from the women.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2949824]They've always been around in one form or another, but over the last several months, across many different cities, I noticed an increase in married SBs on the SD sites.[/QUOTE]I can't speak for the SB sites because I fish for SBs in different pools like CL, dating sites and strip club takeout. There have always been plenty of married SB prospects on CL. They are generally older (30s and 40s), hornier and less financially demanding than younger, single SBs They also tend to be in it for more than just the dough. The married SB, "MILF Bunny", that I currently have in my lineup is a prime example. I will provide a pictorial update on her soon. She can't get enough sex. She is truly a nympho. We started out with an allowance but now she is hooked on the sex and the allowance has disappeared. She even pays for the hotel. There is no pretend romance here. She wants raw, hot kinky sex any way I want it. She wears me out. After a session with her I couldn't get hard for a million dollars. On occasion she has invited female friends to join the action and we have swung with other couples.

This was not my first married SB. I have had many. Just like with any SB or any woman for that matter they are all different. That's what keeps it fresh and exciting. But married SBs are much easier to get, more in tune with pure sex as the objective and easier on the wallet.

The drawback is that CL can be a challenging and frustrating place to hunt for all the reasons we well know. It requires patience and perseverance to deal with all the crud that comes with CL ads. But it has its rewards: inexpensive hunting; inexpensive arrangements and the pure hot sex on tap that most of us are seeking in the first place.