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This would be enough to keep me from calling. May some of you are willing to take the risk. Just thought I would get this out for everyone in case she is still in town or plans on coming back.
[url]http://birmingham.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/brunette-in-town-ready-to-have-some-fun-23/4033907[/url]
[url]http://bham.craigslist.org/cas/2157416030.html[/url]
[QUOTE=ILikePie; 1121527]This would be enough to keep me from calling. May some of you are willing to take the risk. Just thought I would get this out for everyone in case she is still in town or plans on coming back.
[url]http://birmingham.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/brunette-in-town-ready-to-have-some-fun-23/4033907[/url]
[url]http://bham.craigslist.org/cas/2157416030.html[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks ILP. It's always good to get a report on a scam or potential sting from Uncle Leo. There's a lot of squirrely shit going on these days and it's always good to get a heads-up. MJ
[QUOTE=ILikePie; 1121527]This would be enough to keep me from calling. May some of you are willing to take the risk. Just thought I would get this out for everyone in case she is still in town or plans on coming back.
[url]http://birmingham.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/brunette-in-town-ready-to-have-some-fun-23/4033907[/url]
[url]http://bham.craigslist.org/cas/2157416030.html[/url]
[/QUOTE]Kinda thick for 200.
See the smok'and knock out if you kicked in another 100? Thats some A1 stuff. 1 grand for over night is a real deal In my opinion. Thats usualy 2500, makes me think she is a fake.
[url]http://birmingham.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/new-in-town-upscale-and-well-worth-it_-24/4033745[/url]
I am a African American California girl and I'm planing on taking a trip to Birmingham soon! Are you guys into sweet California Girls? Is their alot of action down their and what about LE? Hope to see some of you soon.
[QUOTE=Charlsalanhead; 1121647]Kinda thick for 200.
See the smok'and knock out if you kicked in another 100? Thats some A1 stuff. 1 grand for over night is a real deal In my opinion. Thats usualy 2500, makes me think she is a fake.
[url]http://birmingham.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/new-in-town-upscale-and-well-worth-it_-24/4033745[/url]
[/QUOTE]Cah,
She has to be a fake. Those jugs are. I wonder if the ole ropeadopes are back at it again. They are fishing with good bait. They may catch a few newbies. She is even a bit for BP.
[QUOTE=PatMyCrotch; 1121961]Cah,
She has to be a fake. Those jugs are. I wonder if the ole ropeadopes are back at it again. They are fishing with good bait. They may catch a few newbies. She is even a bit for BP.[/QUOTE]More like all night with uncle leo and 1k to get out LOL
Has anyone got any current info on [url]Zoe...http://www.date-check.com/pp15/zo0458f.htm...I[/url] Know she moved to Huntsville for a while but had moved back to Birmingham. The phone # I have for her says the code is incorrect. So either her phone is off or she has a new. I'd appreciate any update on her. She was a sweet girl back in the day but I lost touch with her when she moved to Huntsville.
Thanks,
MJ
Any details on her?
[url]http://birmingham.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/j_u_s_t-_-w_h_a_t-_-y_o_u-_-c_r_a_v_e-20/4010231[/url]
She's real and a trusted agent says she's model material. Goes by "Valerie International". Online reviews are in the stratosphere. I am surprised she's on BP.
[QUOTE=PatMyCrotch; 1121961]Cah,
She has to be a fake. Those jugs are. I wonder if the ole ropeadopes are back at it again. They are fishing with good bait. They may catch a few newbies. She is even a bit for BP. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PatMyCrotch; 1121961]Cah,
She has to be a fake. Those jugs are. I wonder if the ole ropeadopes are back at it again. They are fishing with good bait. They may catch a few newbies. She is even a bit for BP.[/QUOTE]She is 100% real and the online reviews are correct. I just wish she didn't travel away from Huntsville so much.
[QUOTE=Blue Eyed Brad;1124781]She's real and a trusted agent says she's model material. Goes by "Valerie International". Online reviews are in the stratosphere. I am surprised she's on BP.[/QUOTE]I don't think that's Valerie International. VI is not as stacked as this girl. This girl looks like she visited the air hose at the Exxon.
[url]http://birmingham.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/jawdropping-young-busty-blonde-visiting-200-hourly-21/4054442[/url]
Any word on this one? Looks TGTBT. Especially for $200.
[QUOTE=Titanic Vol;1125225]I don't think that's Valerie International. VI is not as stacked as this girl. This girl looks like she visited the air hose at the Exxon.[/QUOTE]This is the REAL Valerie International. And [blue][Text written in ALL CAPITAL LETTERING deleted by Admin][/blue] That is also not my photo.
Just wanted to clarify! Thanks.
Val
[QUOTE=Blue Eyed Brad;1124781]She's real and a trusted agent says she's model material. Goes by "Valerie International". Online reviews are in the stratosphere. I am surprised she's on BP.[/QUOTE]That is not Val in those pics and I don't think she use BP
[QUOTE=Sexy Valerie; 1125481]This is the REAL Valerie International. And [blue][Text written in ALL CAPITAL LETTERING deleted by Admin][/blue] That is also not my photo.
Just wanted to clarify! Thanks.
Val[/QUOTE]Yall do know this same BS style ad is being used in other cities. Saw one in ATL The ad starts out Fake photos. This woman is using my photos. And I have to think that is not her picture in a post she is posting on some fake ad without so much as alink to the fake ad. So is the photo she is saying is her is notbher in the ad. Its a scam to get you to look at her photo, give some pitty to the victim status and maybe get a pitty date.
Thats an issue the owner of the photo needs to take up with the site, not air it in public. A woman's past reviews should be enough for her to fall back on.
Val INT had so much BS centered around her over a year ago, I pass over all her photos and ads. My memeory is excelent with photos, Man she was tangled up in some mess with a few on here and I think in another city Chatanooga if I remember. Shes tainted in my book. all the bitching didi it for me. Archived back to 2009 and read up for your self. Man she has some smok'n hot photos, and I dig the age. perfect for me. Today I was almost shell shock seeing the 20 year old. It getting weired as I crank on the age.
[QUOTE=Vanquish; 1125427]
[url]http://birmingham.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/jawdropping-young-busty-blonde-visiting-200-hourly-21/4054442[/url]
Any word on this one? Looks TGTBT. Especially for $200.[/QUOTE]No Tineye hits, however phone # shows up all over the place w / pics to different girls. 2 reviews from another site say not even close to the pics.
As so the search continues.
[QUOTE=Charlsalanhead; 1126509]Yall do know this same BS style ad is being used in other cities. Saw one in ATL The ad starts out Fake photos. This woman is using my photos. And I have to think that is not her picture in a post she is posting on some fake ad without so much as alink to the fake ad. So is the photo she is saying is her is notbher in the ad. Its a scam to get you to look at her photo, give some pitty to the victim status and maybe get a pitty date.
Thats an issue the owner of the photo needs to take up with the site, not air it in public. A woman's past reviews should be enough for her to fall back on.
Val INT had so much BS centered around her over a year ago, I pass over all her photos and ads. My memeory is excelent with photos, Man she was tangled up in some mess with a few on here and I think in another city Chatanooga if I remember. She's tainted in my book. All the bitching didi it for me. Archived back to 2009 and read up for your self. Man she has some smok'and hot photos, and I dig the age. Perfect for me. Today I was almost shell shock seeing the 20 year old. It getting weired as I crank on the age.[/QUOTE]I don't know who you are, and what your problem is with me. I had several of my bham clients tell me about the previous posts about me on here which is why I responded to let all of you guys know that I do not post on Backpage, never have and never will. That blonde girl in the link who is calling herself Valerie is not me, nor is it my picture, it's obviously someone (prob LE) who is trying to use my good rep to set up a sting or something. As for your second paragraph, you are referring to a guy who had me confused with some girl from Chattanooga that ripped him off apparently. It wasn't me. It is quite obvious you don't know much about me. Feel free to google my name, check my website and you will see nothing bad. I have over 100 reviews over 3 different websites (links to those are also on my website) and I am also on another site's top 100 providers list. I have never ripped anyone off, you can't ask the guys on here that know me. I'm sorry but you have the wrong info.
And guys Please use caution using BP! And know that I would never advertise on a place like that.
Val
Just see the same style of ad in Atlanta.
Who let the Cat in? This is for us guys swapping info, not playing cat fights with some chick.
Press it Love and I'll pull the atlanta ad and place it next to the BHM ad for a real laugh.
So be sweet and safe out there guys.
We all Google yalls phne and tineye yalls photo. We know who is using who photos. Plus many of us kiss and tell.
And whats wrong with BP, most of us can spot a phony at first sight. I just got one of my ATF off BP. I may go see her today. Thank You BP. Any site is open for abuse.
[QUOTE=Titanic Vol; 1126522]No Tineye hits, however phone # shows up all over the place w / pics to different girls. 2 reviews from another site say not even close to the pics.
As so the search continues. [/QUOTE]I saw her too. I went with Stromy due to the motel style pics. Only one way. Call her and venture with a pure heart, Go spend just time with her. If its a bait and switch turn about face and walk away. Don't run just walk and not a word to anyone. Don't even look at anyone.
Ask her where she just came from. And then go do some digging. If I were a girl traveling, Damn straight I'd use a handfull of differet Phones and names. Its why attaching a photo here is so important.
[QUOTE=Sexy Valerie; 1125481]This is the REAL Valerie International. And [blue][Text written in ALL CAPITAL LETTERING deleted by Admin][/blue] That is also not my photo.
Just wanted to clarify! Thanks.
Val[/QUOTE]Sorry Val there is one big misundersatnding. This is the line of thought we were talking about. Ads like this.
[url]http://birmingham.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/attention-_-205-218-8967_-is-a-fake-_-shae-is-a-fake-_-stolen-pic-read-now-69/4009262[/url]
Its new and opooing up all over. Yes VI is an icon that goes back a few. I've never seen her, but have read much onher. So I jump in with my big mouth over the " stolen Pics" thingy and Now I look like a homo or something. LOL!
But big enough to admit when I'm wrong!
[QUOTE=Charlsalanhead; 1127760]Sorry Val there is one big misundersatnding. This is the line of thought we were talking about. Ads like this.
[url]http://birmingham.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/attention-_-205-218-8967_-is-a-fake-_-shae-is-a-fake-_-stolen-pic-read-now-69/4009262[/url]
Its new and opooing up all over. Yes VI is an icon that goes back a few. I've never seen her, but have read much onher. So I jump in with my big mouth over the " stolen Pics" thingy and Now I look like a homo or something. LOL!
But big enough to admit when I'm wrong![/QUOTE]It's ok, I appreciate your apology. I just got defensive because I (Valerie International) do not wan't my name slandered, or be associated with BP in any way because I do have a good reputation and intend to keep it that way. I do worry for you guys because of the number of people stealing pictures etc. So just be cautious if you ever see a blonde girl advertising on BP as "Valerie" bc it's def not me.
Take care & Stay safe.
Val
Still just looking for sex.
I've tried a month on Be Naughty dateing site for kicks. All BHM has is way fat ladies that are desperate for a steady man and probably expect way too much. A few that just got out of Jail, Anniston, Columbus Ga! Fat and did I saw fat. Hell, I don't even have fat at home. But with some effort its free. I just can't hang with a chick that weighs more than me, and I push the scales above 200lbs. The sight of panties that would drop off my butt is enough to send me home.
BUT, I did find a killer MILF out of T-town with much potential. 5'4" probably 120 lean and educated mom. Just looking to venture down the forbidden path. Not the kind of kiss and tell date, but the siute did pann out 6 or 7 potential women to get my rocks off.
Adult Freind Finders is another I scored in the past. Many pros are on that as well, so not sure it was my charm, or just the fact I replied.
Ashley Maddison is lame and a waste.
And then all the others that just want you to follow them all over the internet into other lame sites.
[QUOTE=Charlsalanhead; 1136958]Still just looking for sex.
I've tried a month on Be Naughty dateing site for kicks. All BHM has is way fat ladies that are desperate for a steady man and probably expect way too much. A few that just got out of Jail, Anniston, Columbus Ga! Fat and did I saw fat. Hell, I don't even have fat at home. But with some effort its free. I just can't hang with a chick that weighs more than me, and I push the scales above 200lbs. The sight of panties that would drop off my butt is enough to send me home.
BUT, I did find a killer MILF out of T-town with much potential. 5'4" probably 120 lean and educated mom. Just looking to venture down the forbidden path. Not the kind of kiss and tell date, but the siute did pann out 6 or 7 potential women to get my rocks off.
Adult Freind Finders is another I scored in the past. Many pros are on that as well, so not sure it was my charm, or just the fact I replied.
Ashley Maddison is lame and a waste.
And then all the others that just want you to follow them all over the internet into other lame sites. [/QUOTE]I've done Adult Friend Finder with some success. Hell I dated one girl for a year, which was interesting and fun. Plenty of Fish can reap rewards if you have a little online game and can sift through all the women looking for a husband. The first time I was on POF I met 10-12 women over about two months and got laid at least 5-6 times.
Never heard of Be Naughty
She was on E. Com until recently and then dropped off.
I have been in contact with her via email and she said she keeps in contact with those who she have contact info on.
Her pics are cute and her profile tempted me. Just not sure what to expect now.
Any info is appreciated.
R
Any advice from a senior member would be appreciated. In town Fri night
[QUOTE=Nolan 34; 1137263]I've done Adult Friend Finder with some success. Hell I dated one girl for a year, which was interesting and fun. Plenty of Fish can reap rewards if you have a little online game and can sift through all the women looking for a husband. The first time I was on POF I met 10-12 women over about two months and got laid at least 5-6 times.
Never heard of Be Naughty[/QUOTE]Yeah, back when Yahoo personals were free, I used to have an ad there, and met quite a few women myself. I've also had ads on pof, okcupid, sexyads, matchdoctor and a few more. I'd get more hits with ads saying I was seeking a relationship than direct sex, but it's funny most of the girls you meet when you're 'seeking a relationship' end up screwing you the first night they meet you anyway, LOL. The majority of the girls I met had loads of issues and drama, and wouldn't be anyone I'd care to have a relationship with even if I was looking for it, but hey, nothing beats a few free fucks, LOL. It just takes a bit of dedication of your time to chat with them online or over the phone for a few days or a week or so, but usually I'd end up going to meet most of them within a week. I just don't have the patience or care to invest my time into that anymore, plus with time girls now tend to be more picky as to who they want to talk to and are interested in, where used to they were just glad someone was interested in talking to them.
This is interesting, but I am not sure what to think of it, maybe an agency. Can anyone check it out?
[url]http://birmingham.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/the-bold-and-the-beautiful-24/4091021[/url]
[quote]Yes a T shirt winner, is in the house! My name is Candy I am 24 years old and I'm in the Birmingham area for 2 months also my girl freind Brooke, and we are looking for a good time call me at 205-503-2171.
Poster's age: 24.
• Location: Bham / Fultondale.
• Post I'd: 4091021 birmingham.
• Other ads by this user:
The Best Kept Secret In Birmingham!.24 Picture (Bham / Fultondale) adult entertainment: escorts[/quote]
[QUOTE=Clyde Barrow; 1139052]This is interesting, but I am not sure what to think of it, maybe an agency. Can anyone check it out?
[url]http://birmingham.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/the-bold-and-the-beautiful-24/4091021[/url]
[/QUOTE]I've asked the same thing for weeks, But have already done my fair share of TOFTT to start picking through Poo Hefners shit. Someone must be hitting them.
Sat night and Fri night no return calls, so I have to assume they were booked.
Personnaly, guys in here do not care much for handlers. Most of us get this idea the photos are fake and once you get there the handler will probably be sitting in some crappy Crown Vic with 26's Lime green and will start knocking on the door before the time is up. Ya know? Get on with it. Time is money.
Now I could be way wrong and this is the jewel of BHM.
"Can anyone check it out" WTF !!!!!!!!!!!! is that all about?
Yea, I'm yelling, You 16 or something. Dude your pussy attitude in here reeks! Like one of us are going to go venture intro a Bait'and switch and report back to you! All that, just so you can get a warm fuzzy feeling about seeing some chick. You ever go knock on a Motel door and swallow your throaght when that door opens, and you got no fucking idea what you will find? Dude! Never ask another guy to check pussy you want!
Yall agree with me? Maybe I am pissed. I've done a few TOFTT the last month and irks me me some newbe in here wants us to go check a girl out for him? Steams me. What a pussy!
I almost require you to TOFTT now and make your review. And on the ECCIE site as well.
I'm posting too much. Going to get Leo on my tail again.
See Ya. Charles is out of the house for a few months. This is getting almost childish. You girls take care.
I'm heading over where only comfirmed Gents post reviews. This is getting stupid in here.
[QUOTE=Clyde Barrow; 1139052]This is interesting, but I am not sure what to think of it, maybe an agency. Can anyone check it out?
[url]http://birmingham.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/the-bold-and-the-beautiful-24/4091021[/url]
[/QUOTE]I went back and looked at all your posts and PMs to me.
You do ask for info alot, but never contribute. So your welcome!
I'f you missed out on Stromy, Faith, Sarah, and Shelly, then my time here has been a waste.
I can't wait to read all YOUR Poo Hefners girls reviews.
You go see the chick in the yelolow bikini and so will I. I'll make my review on the other forum and we all can compare notes. Mine will be spot on, if you are a true contributor and have a killer review could be fun. Just think ya might even get some head out of the deal! LOL
The," More to the story" section will only be seen by us comfirmed contributors, no one else. Thats the beauty in there. Hell, I can't even get an Admin to remove a stink'and photo. This site might be doomed!
I may just oblige and put my review over there and if you want to know about these girls you'll have to actualy venture into deep waters and see a woman. I'm Bigfatrat again as was I in here. Man that was the days. They call me.
Member #3954 now! I got wind Leo wanted me bad, and a few others, so we ditched our old handles and went under ground.
Maybe its time to just kick this to the curb.
Saw ad on BP having specials on her last day in town. Called about 4:45p to see if she was available. Asked if I could be there by 5 but no way being across town w / rush hour traffic. She had appointment at 6, so we set appointment at 8p. Told me her hotel, and I should call or text her when I got there for the room.
Got to hotel about 7:45, sent her text asking room. No reply. Called 3 times over the next 20 minutes, only to reach a full voice mail. Finally, about 8:10, she calls me and tells me she is. AT THE FREAKIN' NAIL SALON!
Asked if I wanted to meet her at 830. I said no thanks. I'm sure someone else out there will take my money.
[url]http://birmingham.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/last-day-sp-ea-ci-als-100me-21/3806315[/url]
[QUOTE=Titanic Vol; 1140598]Saw ad on BP having specials on her last day in town. Called about 4:45p to see if she was available. Asked if I could be there by 5 but no way being across town w / rush hour traffic. She had appointment at 6, so we set appointment at 8p. Told me her hotel, and I should call or text her when I got there for the room.
Got to hotel about 7:45, sent her text asking room. No reply. Called 3 times over the next 20 minutes, only to reach a full voice mail. Finally, about 8:10, she calls me and tells me she is. AT THE FREAKIN' NAIL SALON!
Asked if I wanted to meet her at 830. I said no thanks. I'm sure someone else out there will take my money.
[url]http://birmingham.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/last-day-sp-ea-ci-als-100me-21/3806315[/url]
[/QUOTE]You should have taken the date and asked for two hours or even better, an over night at that time. . That would have gotten her attention. Let her rush back and give you a call like a hungry wolf. Then you tell her you are some where close and call when you are in the parking lot. Let her stew 5-10 min and miss out on a few calls, Then call her and ask for the room and you are there. She gives you the # and you kick back at home yucking it up with another provider. After a few min, she would be creaming for you!
Works both ways, if ya stoop that low. Best to blow them off and make a post.
[QUOTE=Titanic Vol; 1140598]Saw ad on BP having specials on her last day in town. Called about 4:45p to see if she was available. Asked if I could be there by 5 but no way being across town w / rush hour traffic. She had appointment at 6, so we set appointment at 8p. Told me her hotel, and I should call or text her when I got there for the room.
Got to hotel about 7:45, sent her text asking room. No reply. Called 3 times over the next 20 minutes, only to reach a full voice mail. Finally, about 8:10, she calls me and tells me she is. AT THE FREAKIN' NAIL SALON!
Asked if I wanted to meet her at 830. I said no thanks. I'm sure someone else out there will take my money.
[url]http://birmingham.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/last-day-sp-ea-ci-als-100me-21/3806315[/url][/QUOTE]Ya didn't miss much. Service pretty lack luster and generally SOME kind of drama.
MJ
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Gentlemen, I just noticed that Alyse is coming to town Sat thru Tues. She is from NC and travels through once or twice a year. I will say this. She is not cheap, definitely more than anything you will find on CL or Craigslist. However, she is smokin hot and very skilled and incredibly sweet to boot. The experience is first class and well worth the money. Unfortunately, I don't have the available funds, but I have spent time with her twice in the past. If you can part with the dough, do not miss her. She is sure to quickly be at or near the top of your all-time favs list. She's definitely top 2-3 for me, if not #1.
You can find her on escorts. Com or at hotalyse. Com. She has plenty of pics posted in both places. One note, she does have a guy answer her calls for her typically, but that is not an issue. She is a true pro.
[QUOTE=Nolan 34; 1142547]Gentlemen, I just noticed that Alyse is coming to town Sat thru Tues. She is from NC and travels through once or twice a year. I will say this. She is not cheap, definitely more than anything you will find on CL or Craigslist. However, she is smokin hot and very skilled and incredibly sweet to boot. The experience is first class and well worth the money. Unfortunately, I don't have the available funds, but I have spent time with her twice in the past. If you can part with the dough, do not miss her. She is sure to quickly be at or near the top of your all-time favs list. She's definitely top 2-3 for me, if not #1.
You can find her on escorts. Com or at hotalyse. Com. She has plenty of pics posted in both places. One note, she does have a guy answer her calls for her typically, but that is not an issue. She is a true pro. [/QUOTE]You forgot to add that you need to be a white guy over 35 or she won't see you. So all of us hispanic, black or asian guys who take care of ourselves, have outstanding references and are doing well enough financially to actually afford her should look elsewhere. But as long as you're white and have $$$.5 doesn't matter if you're 150-200 pounds overweight and have a back-hair problem, she's open for business!
[QUOTE=Bobbyj29;1142840]You forgot to add that you need to be a white guy over 35 or she won't see you. So all of us hispanic, black or asian guys who take care of ourselves, have outstanding references and are doing well enough financially to actually afford her should look elsewhere. But as long as you're white and have $$$.5 doesn't matter if you're 150-200 pounds overweight and have a back-hair problem, she's open for business![/QUOTE]I did reference being able to afford her. The other details, I didn't know. I'm not sure why that is, but its her business so she's able to make that choice. That said, if you fit her requirements, she is amazing.
[QUOTE=Bobbyj29;1142840]You forgot to add that you need to be a white guy over 35 or she won't see you. So all of us hispanic, black or asian guys who take care of ourselves,![/QUOTE]Don't feel bad, I've been hitting up some social networking hook up sites and most won't give a married guy a second look. Kinda does hurt! Suck it up and try another. There are a bunch that are olny looking for black men too. So whats the beef?
I don't do fat chicks!
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[QUOTE=Bobbyj29;1142840]You forgot to add that you need to be a white guy over 35 or she won't see you. So all of us hispanic, black or asian guys who take care of ourselves, have outstanding references and are doing well enough financially to actually afford her should look elsewhere. But as long as you're white and have $$$.5 doesn't matter if you're 150-200 pounds overweight and have a back-hair problem, she's open for business![/QUOTE]Going between the sheets with someone is about as personal as it gets. Everybody discriminates when it comes to this.
[QUOTE=Bobbyj29;1142840]You forgot to add that you need to be a white guy over 35 or she won't see you. So all of us hispanic, black or asian guys who take care of ourselves, have outstanding references and are doing well enough financially to actually afford her should look elsewhere. But as long as you're white and have $$$.5 doesn't matter if you're 150-200 pounds overweight and have a back-hair problem, she's open for business![/QUOTE]Don't forget us well educated white professionals under 35.