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[QUOTE=Kijimuna;3896872][URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/women-ordered-from-supplier-and-brought-to-virginia-for-prostitution-search-warrant-says/2018/07/10/6654c2d6-8479-11e8-8553-a3ce89036c78_story.html?utm_term=.15c097990ebe[/URL]

Jeeze, $30 a date? Latino men only? There should be a law against that :)[/QUOTE]Anyone remember the Latin Palace in Maryland and DC? Way back in the day, the woman who ran it took a liking to me, and set me up on the Latin side of the business. A lot of the same girls who saw gringos for $80 in decent apartments would rotate over to the Latin rabbit-house apartments, which had 2-3 beds set up in a room, divided by blankets hanging from clotheslines. For a couple of years, I was stopping by once or twice a week for $30 short stays.

I always tipped the girls extra, and sometimes I'd flip the guy at the door a five or ten, so I was treated well. The better-looking ones made it over to the gringo side, while the not-so-great ones didn't, but for $30, I'd take the best available, and it was all good.

At some point, the people who ran it got jammed up, and when I went to the apt. , it was dead. I got hooked up to a similar operation through a backchannel connection a few years later, but it folded, and I've been out of that loop for at least 12-14 years now.

From the article:

"The sales director for [URL]Backpage.com[/URL] pleaded guilty to conspiracy charges on Friday, saying that he was involved in a scheme to give free advertising to sex workers to try and keep them away from competing platforms.

The Associated Press reported that Dan Hyer, 49, faces up to five years in prison and a maximum fine of $250,000 as part of his plea deal. Federal prosecutors will in turn dismiss 50 charges of facilitating prostitution and 17 money laundering charges against him. ".

[URL]http://thehill.com/policy/technology/technology/402447-backpagecom-sales-director-pleads-guilty-to-conspiracy[/URL]

[QUOTE=BunkerBuster;3897349]Anyone remember the Latin Palace in Maryland and DC? Way back in the day, the woman who ran it took a liking to me, and set me up on the Latin side of the business. A lot of the same girls who saw gringos for $80 in decent apartments would rotate over to the Latin rabbit-house apartments, which had 2-3 beds set up in a room, divided by blankets hanging from clotheslines. For a couple of years, I was stopping by once or twice a week for $30 short stays.

I always tipped the girls extra, and sometimes I'd flip the guy at the door a five or ten, so I was treated well. The better-looking ones made it over to the gringo side, while the not-so-great ones didn't, but for $30, I'd take the best available, and it was all good.

At some point, the people who ran it got jammed up, and when I went to the apt. , it was dead. I got hooked up to a similar operation through a backchannel connection a few years later, but it folded, and I've been out of that loop for at least 12-14 years now.[/QUOTE]I remember Latin Palace. Wow. I wish that were still here. Man, I remember good times there.

[QUOTE=TomMcAn;3909297]From the article:

"The sales director for [URL]Backpage.com[/URL] pleaded guilty to conspiracy charges on Friday, saying that he was involved in a scheme to give free advertising to sex workers to try and keep them away from competing platforms.

The Associated Press reported that Dan Hyer, 49, faces up to five years in prison and a maximum fine of $250,000 as part of his plea deal. Federal prosecutors will in turn dismiss 50 charges of facilitating prostitution and 17 money laundering charges against him. ".

[URL]http://thehill.com/policy/technology/technology/402447-backpagecom-sales-director-pleads-guilty-to-conspiracy[/URL][/QUOTE]Noticeably is no facilitating prostitution charge or sex trafficking charges. The whole original purpose of the charges was the new statute alleging BP was facilitating prostitution and sex trafficking, particularly child sex trafficking. Another example of a conviction of a tertiary charge rather than a charge based on the actual principal statute used to prosecute.

[QUOTE=Maxx0;3833266]Regarding item #3, we all know that police can and do lie, its allowed and widely used to gather evidence on hunches or to meet some other agenda. I was in a situation where police were at an AMP when I arrived, greeted by the police was not expected, they asked for my I.D., I replied with why and no intent to provide it, the officer stated this location is known to be involved in illegal activity, I replied with I have been here many times and have had legit massages, which was true, I did not say all, but some were (LOL), he suggested I leave and not come back, I departed that day to return another. I never admit guilt to police and certainly would not jeopardize an AMP to them either.[/QUOTE]Simply talking is what gets people in trouble. That's why popo asks do you not what you did wrong or do you know why I pulled you over, if you've ever been pulled over, or where is it. Most people will admit to a crime by simply talking or trying to rationalize that they were only going 1 mph over, which is still speeding. Popo is trained to let you self-incriminate.

Interesting due To The info that the customers also prosecuted!

[URL]https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.seattlepi.com/local/crime/article/Kent-police-Cops-shut-down-18-illegal-massage-13359024.php&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoTNzU3MzU1MTAwNzI1NDkxNjMxOTIaMGUyYTAzMzJjMDg2ZDVmYTpjb206ZW46VVM&usg=AFQjCNHofiLAaijTGbEu_12Q4FZoS5kJcw[/URL]

[QUOTE=AnyMouse;4012506]Interesting due To The info that the customers also prosecuted!

[URL]https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.seattlepi.com/local/crime/article/Kent-police-Cops-shut-down-18-illegal-massage-13359024.php&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoTNzU3MzU1MTAwNzI1NDkxNjMxOTIaMGUyYTAzMzJjMDg2ZDVmYTpjb206ZW46VVM&usg=AFQjCNHofiLAaijTGbEu_12Q4FZoS5kJcw[/URL][/QUOTE]If this is activity involving consenting adults, why should anyone be prosecuted? So an exchange of money is involved in these instances. In the end, though, what's the difference between sexual activity with a provider and sexual activity with a gal you just met in a bar? Except the do-gooders are on a campaign against the former. Oh, and wasn't Washington one of the states where voters approved same-sex marriage before the Supreme Court decreed it nationwide? So why same-sex marriage but not paying providers for sexual activity?

[QUOTE=TomMcAn;4012538]If this is activity involving consenting adults, why should anyone be prosecuted?[/QUOTE]In Virginia, "a license is not required for a practitioner of the healing arts. " However, if you claim that you are a "massage therapist," then a license is required.

[URL]https://www.abmp.com/news/virginia-mandatory-massage-licensing-bill-passed[/URL]

Many of the places that I go to do not claim to be offering "massage" by "massage therapists. " Rather, they claim to be providing "healing touch" and "muscle activation techniques. " So, they are not subject to fines.

The article says that the massage parlors were closed because "the businesses also violate state licensing requirements by using unlicensed workers. " While 18 massage parlors were closed, only four people were arrested. So, this is kind of a publicity stunt. The police closed a lot of parlors, but they did not arrest that many people for doing illegal stuff. This kind of a stunt would be harder to pull off in Virginia.

Wonder if he was ever successful though.

[URL]https://patch.com/virginia/ashburn/man-busted-soliciting-prostitutes-ashburn-lcso[/URL]

[QUOTE=JonWan;4012603]In Virginia, "a license is not required for a practitioner of the healing arts. " However, if you claim that you are a "massage therapist," then a license is required.

[URL]https://www.abmp.com/news/virginia-mandatory-massage-licensing-bill-passed[/URL]

Many of the places that I go to do not claim to be offering "massage" by "massage therapists. " Rather, they claim to be providing "healing touch" and "muscle activation techniques. " So, they are not subject to fines.

The article says that the massage parlors were closed because "the businesses also violate state licensing requirements by using unlicensed workers. " While 18 massage parlors were closed, only four people were arrested. So, this is kind of a publicity stunt. The police closed a lot of parlors, but they did not arrest that many people for doing illegal stuff. This kind of a stunt would be harder to pull off in Virginia.[/QUOTE]Now we will get a good massage from a licensed therapist before the Ending. Not the half ass stuff we get sometimes. I think it will be better actually.

[URL]https://bit.ly/2RHRPvm[/URL]

I know privacy is essentially dead and buried, but this was an eye-opener for me because of how easily and cheaply the data can be obtained. LEO has always had access to this but it's not good news for anyone who might find themselves as the target of a stalker or for anyone who has a suspicious spouse, boyfriend / girlfriend, malicious business partner, etc.

[QUOTE=JmSuttr;4099164][URL]https://bit.ly/2RHRPvm[/URL]
I know privacy is essentially dead and buried, but this was an eye-opener for me because of how easily and cheaply the data can be obtained. LEO has always had access to this but it's not good news for anyone who might find themselves as the target of a stalker or for anyone who has a suspicious spouse, boyfriend / girlfriend, malicious business partner, etc.[/QUOTE]You should also be aware that LEO has devices that can monitor calls made by nearby phones. They visit the mother of a criminal with outstanding warrants and encourage her to tell her son that he should turn himself in and make it easier on himself. They wait outside after they leave and she calls her son, they get that number and determine it's location. As related to me by a member of an apprehension team.

[URL]https://youtu.be/-UDnK3Y1PSk[/URL]

[QUOTE=Madness322;4100204]You should also be aware that LEO has devices that can monitor calls made by nearby phones. They visit the mother of a criminal with outstanding warrants and encourage her to tell her son that he should turn himself in and make it easier on himself. They wait outside after they leave and she calls her son, they get that number and determine it's location. As related to me by a member of an apprehension team.[/QUOTE]I find it scary that Uncle LEO has such tools available to them. It's one thing to use such tools to catch terrorists or hardened criminals, but what if they decide to go after mongers someday? I frankly wouldn't be surprised if there are some do-gooders out there encouraging Uncle LEO to do so, citing "trafficking" and other excuses.

[URL]https://wtop.com/virginia/2019/01/2-northern-virginia-men-convicted-of-running-prostitution-ring/[/URL]

[URL]https://avn.com/business/articles/legal/woodhull-others-appeal-district-court-dismissal-of-fosta-lawsuit-819967.html[/URL]

Robert Kraft is a monger.

[URL]https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/local/2019/02/22/new-england-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-charged-soliciting-prostitution-florida-spa/2939429002/[/URL]

Deflating his balls.

[QUOTE=Mandane;4163357]Robert Kraft is a monger.

[URL]https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/local/2019/02/22/new-england-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-charged-soliciting-prostitution-florida-spa/2939429002/[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldManInVa;4163421]Deflating his balls.[/QUOTE]And with all the money he's got, he should be able to hire lawyers good enough to deflate Uncle LEO's surveillance video tactics. The Fourth Amendment is in the Constitution for a reason.

[QUOTE=Mandane;4163357]Robert Kraft is a monger.

[URL]https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/local/2019/02/22/new-england-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-charged-soliciting-prostitution-florida-spa/2939429002/[/URL][/QUOTE]WTF Bob! Your GF is fine & half your age, plus I'm sure you could sisboombaa with any of the hot Patriot cheerleaders for a goose egg, & saved yourself the $30 an hour for the low end massage parlor! You cheap fuck!

I feel bad for the guys on the list next to his name. It's already being broadcast on cable news!

Roger Godell just got major wood! I Can’t wait to see this soap opera play out.

His reputation has already taken a hit. He will likely pay a fine and move on. The longer he drags it out the more impact.

[QUOTE=TomMcAn;4163459]And with all the money he's got, he should be able to hire lawyers good enough to deflate Uncle LEO's surveillance video tactics. The Fourth Amendment is in the Constitution for a reason.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TomMcAn;4163459]And with all the money he's got, he should be able to hire lawyers good enough to deflate Uncle LEO's surveillance video tactics. The Fourth Amendment is in the Constitution for a reason.[/QUOTE]Whether or not he beats the charges, the damage is already done. This situation illustrates the risks associated with visits to AMPs. I have no idea if the "trafficking" charges are true but the reality is that almost any AMP could be targeted using the rationale applied in this case. Just another risk factor to consider when partaking in the hobby. And, IMHO, a good argument in favor of indies over AMPs.

[QUOTE=OldManInVa;4163482]His reputation has already taken a hit. He will likely pay a fine and move on. The longer he drags it out the more impact.[/QUOTE]There's going to be lots of moralizing from all sides. I expect that he will make a sizable donation to a charity as additional penance along with an apology. That Jussie Smollett guy is probably super happy about this taking the spotlight off him a bit.

[QUOTE=TomMcAn;4163459]And with all the money he's got, he should be able to hire lawyers good enough to deflate Uncle LEO's surveillance video tactics. The Fourth Amendment is in the Constitution for a reason.[/QUOTE]The report says that they were able to place surveillance camera's inside a private establishment. I didn't think that was legal at all.

[QUOTE=Mandane;4163357]Robert Kraft is a monger.

[URL]https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/local/2019/02/22/new-england-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-charged-soliciting-prostitution-florida-spa/2939429002/[/URL][/QUOTE]Brady winning his 6th Super Bowl at 41, or Robert Kraft still having bullets in the gun at 77?

I say Mr. Kraft for the win.

Just glad my Fav Nova AMP has my play name & play number only! Plus, don't you need to get caught in the act or videotaped like this instance?

[QUOTE=DoggieFan;4163872]Brady winning his 6th Super Bowl at 41, or Robert Kraft still having bullets in the gun at 77?

I say Mr. Kraft for the win.

Just glad my Fav Nova AMP has my play name & play number only! Plus, don't you need to get caught in the act or videotaped like this instance?[/QUOTE]Last report I saw was that the police where able to get hidden cameras placed in the spas that showed everything. There was no FS, just HJ and BBBJ.

[QUOTE=Mandane;4163887]Last report I saw was that the police where able to get hidden cameras placed in the spas that showed everything. There was no FS, just HJ and BBBJ.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/2/22/18236452/robert-kraft-patriots-owner-charged-soliciting-prostitution[/URL]

Follow the link in the article to read a PDF (16 pages) of the affidavit. It details the investigative steps taken by LEO in this case.

Sucks to be pats fan. The irony is this billionaire can buy any lady with no risk yet go to a "commoner place" for thrill. He has a hot girlfriend or companion too. Maybe for the thrill or whatever but I am sure if he threw a few grand he can get delivery.

Brother, when that Yellow Fever strikes it's just too much to overcome.

Pure speculation, but Kraft's probably has been in and out these places for years. My guess is since before he was a billionaire. There is a level of danger and risk that can provide some with quite a thrill. Why stop?

And let's face it, no matter what a man has at home, the inate biological urges we have to find some strange to spread the seed is just too strong to resist sometimes. Seems like there's an old saying I once heard that would be fitting. Oh yeah: "Variety is the spice of life".

Stay out of trouble, boys.

[QUOTE=Lioil;4164552]Sucks to be pats fan. The irony is this billionaire can buy any lady with no risk yet go to a "commoner place" for thrill. He has a hot girlfriend or companion too. Maybe for the thrill or whatever but I am sure if he threw a few grand he can get delivery.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mandane;4163887]Last report I saw was that the police where able to get hidden cameras placed in the spas that showed everything. There was no FS, just HJ and BBBJ.[/QUOTE]I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV. But those hidden cameras inside the individual rooms may run afoul of the Fourth Amendment. I hope Mr. Kraft fights the charges, and I hope Uncle LEO gets a well-deserved smackdown.

[QUOTE=TomMcAn;4164656]I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV. But those hidden cameras inside the individual rooms may run afoul of the Fourth Amendment. I hope Mr. Kraft fights the charges, and I hope Uncle LEO gets a well-deserved smackdown.[/QUOTE]Dear Judge,

Can I have a warrant to install cameras inside a business that is engaging in illegal activities? I have evidence to support my allegation.

Thanks,

Uncle LEO

This sting is just a reminder that there is a chance of being arrest. You have to be mentally and physically prepared for that possible occasion.

I don't know what's more impressive, our 41 year old QB winning his sixth Super Bowl or our 77 year old owner still having bullets in his gun!

Welcome to New England where even our owner scores!

[QUOTE=TomMcAn;4164656]I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV. But those hidden cameras inside the individual rooms may run afoul of the Fourth Amendment. I hope Mr. Kraft fights the charges, and I hope Uncle LEO gets a well-deserved smackdown.[/QUOTE]I heard on news that the rights are out of the window if a crime is being committed. Plus this is not entrapment either since it is a wide target operation.

Well Kraft says he denies it and police has video. Either Kraft really dumb or he has an ironclad alibi and can dispute the person in the video. Otherwise it will look really bad.

I just hope we don't lose draft picks.

[QUOTE=Lioil;4165023]I heard on news that the rights are out of the window if a crime is being committed. Plus this is not entrapment either since it is a wide target operation.

Well Kraft says he denies it and police has video. Either Kraft really dumb or he has an ironclad alibi and can dispute the person in the video. Otherwise it will look really bad.

I just hope we don't lose draft picks.[/QUOTE]I doubt the Patriots will lose draft picks if Robert Kraft is convicted. This is a potential legal action involving the owner as an individual. It has nothing to do with the team.

Having never been to Florida, I haven't patronized any of the AMP's involved in the sting. What could be of potential concern to me is if the local Asian crapshoot is being investigated using similar tactics. I've patronized crapshoot providers on a number of occasions, although after last month's busts in Maryland and Oregon I decided I wouldn't do so again. Besides, the service I received was generally mediocre to poor.

[QUOTE=JmSuttr;4164374][URL]https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/2/22/18236452/robert-kraft-patriots-owner-charged-soliciting-prostitution[/URL]

Follow the link in the article to read a PDF (16 pages) of the affidavit. It details the investigative steps taken by LEO in this case.[/QUOTE]That Affidavit of Probable Cause is some interesting reading indeed. It's a dangerous world.

We often get concerned when some newbie monger greatly overpays and causes price inflation. Feel sorry for the Jupiter mongers if they have to compete with billionaires!

[QUOTE=AmpForever;4166738]We often get concerned when some newbie monger greatly overpays and causes price inflation. Feel sorry for the Jupiter mongers if they have to compete with billionaires![/QUOTE]Not sure how much extra for happy ending.

Love being a Pats fan, even our owner scores!

[QUOTE=ZekeWilson;4166062]That Affidavit of Probable Cause is some interesting reading indeed. It's a dangerous world.[/QUOTE]Indeed it is. Uncle LEO's police state tactics are frightening. The United States has become much more of a surveillance state since the 9-11 terrorist attacks, but this goes beyond the pale. I hope lawyers for the mongers involved are willing to challenge the police tactics as a violation of the Fourth Amendment's prohibition of unreasonable searches and seizures.

I'm against human trafficking as much as anyone else and I hope none of the providers I've seen over the years have been in the profession against their will. However, I'm also against using the possibility that trafficking exists as an excuse to crack down on consenting adults behavior simply because an exchange of money is involved. I'm hoping one or more judges will put a stop to Uncle LEO's foolishness; then perhaps our insane laws can be changed.

[QUOTE=ZekeWilson;4166062]That Affidavit of Probable Cause is some interesting reading indeed. It's a dangerous world.[/QUOTE]The info in this affidavit is worthless. They do no mention age of women, cup size, etc etc.

[QUOTE=TomMcAn;4166757]Indeed it is. Uncle LEO's police state tactics are frightening. The United States has become much more of a surveillance state since the 9-11 terrorist attacks, but this goes beyond the pale. I hope lawyers for the mongers involved are willing to challenge the police tactics as a violation of the Fourth Amendment's prohibition of unreasonable searches and seizures.

I'm against human trafficking as much as anyone else and I hope none of the providers I've seen over the years have been in the profession against their will. However, I'm also against using the possibility that trafficking exists as an excuse to crack down on consenting adults behavior simply because an exchange of money is involved. I'm hoping one or more judges will put a stop to Uncle LEO's foolishness; then perhaps our insane laws can be changed.[/QUOTE]One thing that bother me, if the women in FL were victims, why are their images posted, and why were the victims arrested?