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[QUOTE=Grand Mephisto;1133590]Your UTR petite black 21 year old student is NOT utr. She has been advertising and solicting e-mails on public board.[/QUOTE]I first emailed Beth when she responded to me off a CL casual encounters post. She offered a "candle package" for $.5. We emailed back and forth, and after GW's recommendation, I decided to see her. She claimed to be VCU, but then confessed to J Sarge. Not a big deal. This is a real YMMV girl. She was distracted and fairly unpersonable. Certainly not GFE. She is a decent value for the money and not bad looking, although a little the worse for wear if she really is 21. I emailed her to talk about seeing her again, and indicated that I thought she was a bit distracted (I thought it was because she was in a bit of a hurry. Had another appointment). Well, she didn't appreciate that and that how she was feeling during the appointment was none of my business.

Anyway, I obviously won't see her again, but for some of you, it might be a good experience.

Exactly my experience with her. I will really have to be hard up to go back.

[QUOTE=Richmond Guy; 1135294]I first emailed Beth when she responded to me off a CL casual encounters post. She offered a "candle package" for $.5. We emailed back and forth, and after GW's recommendation, I decided to see her. She claimed to be VCU, but then confessed to J Sarge. Not a big deal. This is a real YMMV girl. She was distracted and fairly unpersonable. Certainly not GFE. She is a decent value for the money and not bad looking, although a little the worse for wear if she really is 21. I emailed her to talk about seeing her again, and indicated that I thought she was a bit distracted (I thought it was because she was in a bit of a hurry. Had another appointment). Well, she didn't appreciate that and that how she was feeling during the appointment was none of my business.

Anyway, I obviously won't see her again, but for some of you, it might be a good experience. [/QUOTE]

Very sorry guys. I had a great time. I guess YMMV is such a valid point.

[QUOTE=Hsrams;1135307]Exactly my experience with her. I will really have to be hard up to go back.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Richmond Guy; 1135294]I first emailed Beth when she responded to me off a CL casual encounters post. She offered a "candle package" for $.5. We emailed back and forth, and after GW's recommendation, I decided to see her. She claimed to be VCU, but then confessed to J Sarge. Not a big deal. This is a real YMMV girl. She was distracted and fairly unpersonable. Certainly not GFE. She is a decent value for the money and not bad looking, although a little the worse for wear if she really is 21. I emailed her to talk about seeing her again, and indicated that I thought she was a bit distracted (I thought it was because she was in a bit of a hurry. Had another appointment). Well, she didn't appreciate that and that how she was feeling during the appointment was none of my business.

Anyway, I obviously won't see her again, but for some of you, it might be a good experience. [/QUOTE]

I totally understand the YMMV thing. It even comes into play with different visits to the same SW. One day pretty good. The next sucks. Just human nature sometimes and the fact that we cannot always be on our best game. The thing about Beth is it would only take a little coaching for her to understand what she needs to do to insure return customers. It has to be much easier to keep a good customer coming back, than the risks she goes through every time she brings in a new one. I have received solid leads from you before, so am not doubting that she can be good under the right circumstances.

HS.

[QUOTE=Guywoodson;1135375]Very sorry guys. I had a great time. I guess YMMV is such a valid point.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Guywoodson;1135375]Very sorry guys. I had a great time. I guess YMMV is such a valid point.[/QUOTE]I think another factor is how some guys interpret "Good service", compared to other guys. I do believe some guys become used to being rushed. (I'm not implying that about GW) I mean that in general.

Beth is $.5 for the hour and she never quoted anything to me.

[QUOTE=Richmond Guy;1135778]Beth is $.5 for the hour and she never quoted anything to me.[/QUOTE]Thank you. Made some room.

[QUOTE=Richmond Guy;1135778]Beth is $.5 for the hour and she never quoted anything to me.[/QUOTE]Should have said she never quoted anything ELSE to me (I. E. Half hour rate).

[QUOTE=Richmond Guy;1136170]Should have said she never quoted anything ELSE to me (I. E. Half hour rate).[/QUOTE]But please don't capitalize the word "else" as it will have the unintended effect of making you appear to be yelling. If you want to yell, by all means capitalize.

[QUOTE=Dodgeboy27;1136219]But please don't capitalize the word "else" as it will have the unintended effect of making you appear to be yelling. If you want to yell, by all means capitalize.[/QUOTE]Mustn't yell. Quotes are indeed better.

I received a rather confusing PM today accusing me of "mind-fucking" Beth and lying to the board. With all the flaming that sometimes goes on here, I would like to clear up my position, for what it's worth (which probably isn't much).

I had been exchanging emails with Beth for a couple of weeks, but recently saw her after reading Guy Woodson's review. Guy and I have similar tastes and have communicated on several occasions. My experience was not as stellar as Guy's and I posted a somewhat lukewarm review of her. I decided to email her and tell her a bit about my reaction, because she's young, fairly bright, and I think she could be a great provider. We exchanged several emails, and finally came to an understanding of each other.

I guess that email exchange was the "mind-fuck." I wrote her, she wrote me back and that continued for awhile until I stopped replying (she replied to every email I sent) , In terms of lying on the board. I've never done that. When I wrote the review, I had no intention of seeing her again. As we continued to write, I began to rethink that.

Now, to date I have not seen her again. If I do, I will post another review.

A similar thing happened a few years ago. I saw the girl who called herself "Tasha" and lived in a house out by the airport. It was a horrible experience and I wrote about it. She and I emailed a bit. In a much less civil manner than my exchange with Beth. And she convinced me to come back. I did, and ended up having a great time. I saw her several times after that, until she moved away.

I don't think that's lying. Sometimes a provider can have a bad day, and my review indicated that she had another appointment to get to. So I may give her another chance. Or I may not.

I wrote her just now and asked if she was sharing my correspondance with anyone, and she denied it. I don't know what, if anything, is getting back to her, and I don't much care. We all know that reviews are individual and that YMMV is true not only with each provider, but also with each session.

For what it's worth.

She's made it clear to other members that she knows about this forum and what was written and said about her. How she found that out isn't hard to figure out.

She may not have shared your correspondence with others, but she did give out personal information about you (and another member) freely to other members. There was another controversy about this girl last week that was similar to this. The information she is giving out blows discretion and confidentiality out of the water. In your communications with her you may want to confront her on that.

[QUOTE=Richmond Guy; 1137526]I wrote her just now and asked if she was sharing my correspondance with anyone, and she denied it. I don't know what, if anything, is getting back to her, and I don't much care. We all know that reviews are individual and that YMMV is true not only with each provider, but also with each session.

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[QUOTE=Richmond Fotog; 1137628]She's made it clear to other members that she knows about this forum and what was written and said about her. How she found that out isn't hard to figure out.

She may not have shared your correspondence with others, but she did give out personal information about you (and another member) freely to other members. There was another controversy about this girl last week that was similar to this. The information she is giving out blows discretion and confidentiality out of the water. In your communications with her you may want to confront her on that. [/QUOTE]Thanks. I really wish her no harm. I'm just sorry this has gotten blown up out of proportion.

[QUOTE=Richmond Fotog;1137628]She's made it clear to other members that she knows about this forum and what was written and said about her. How she found that out isn't hard to figure out.[/QUOTE]Ya Think? BOARD SNITCHES / RATS! It has been my experience that the providers end up thinking less of the informers as they are quite aware that they are informing because of their own self interest not any sort of real concern.

I pretty much know where RG is coming from. And concur with him. I am concerned that Beth is obviously talking to others. And that surprises me. She is a bright girl. And could make a VERY good living if she put her mind to it.

I E-mailer her today asking if we could get together. And she seemed natural and happy that I wanted to see her again. And Friday I intend to see her if possible. I may try to find out if she is too loose with her tongue, and counsel her to close it! Of course. If she is really already aware of USASG. Then she will read this! LOL.

This board is the BEST.

GW.

[QUOTE=Richmond Guy; 1137526]I received a rather confusing PM today accusing me of "mind-fucking" Beth and lying to the board. With all the flaming that sometimes goes on here, I would like to clear up my position, for what it's worth (which probably isn't much).

I had been exchanging emails with Beth for a couple of weeks, but recently saw her after reading Guy Woodson's review. Guy and I have similar tastes and have communicated on several occasions. My experience was not as stellar as Guy's and I posted a somewhat lukewarm review of her. I decided to email her and tell her a bit about my reaction, because she's young, fairly bright, and I think she could be a great provider. We exchanged several emails, and finally came to an understanding of each other.

I guess that email exchange was the "mind-fuck." I wrote her, she wrote me back and that continued for awhile until I stopped replying (she replied to every email I sent) , In terms of lying on the board. I've never done that. When I wrote the review, I had no intention of seeing her again. As we continued to write, I began to rethink that.

Now, to date I have not seen her again. If I do, I will post another review.

A similar thing happened a few years ago. I saw the girl who called herself "Tasha" and lived in a house out by the airport. It was a horrible experience and I wrote about it. She and I emailed a bit. In a much less civil manner than my exchange with Beth. And she convinced me to come back. I did, and ended up having a great time. I saw her several times after that, until she moved away.

I don't think that's lying. Sometimes a provider can have a bad day, and my review indicated that she had another appointment to get to. So I may give her another chance. Or I may not.

I wrote her just now and asked if she was sharing my correspondance with anyone, and she denied it. I don't know what, if anything, is getting back to her, and I don't much care. We all know that reviews are individual and that YMMV is true not only with each provider, but also with each session.

For what it's worth. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Guywoodson; 1137837]And Friday I intend to see her if possible. I may try to find out if she is too loose with her tongue, and counsel her to close it! Of course. If she is really already aware of USASG. Then she will read this! LOL.

This board is the BEST.

GW.[/QUOTE]It may sound harsh but I really don't mean to be. Why are you counseling her? This girl has 3 different names and email addrsses. Give out too much personal info. Go crazy on guy who just asks for information and gets told you streetwhore guys are s. She know this is a game. Why you falling for it? Go see her to get your good time. You like her that is fine. Don't go to act like you a mentor or something.

I bet the ranch she will probably cry and ask who would do this to her. She will say be / s like it probably is ex boyfriend or jealous escort and client. It is a GAME.

[QUOTE=Grand Mephisto; 1137855]It may sound harsh but I really don't mean to be. Why are you counseling her? This girl has 3 different names and email addrsses. Give out too much personal info. Go crazy on guy who just asks for information and gets told you streetwhore guys are s. She know this is a game. Why you falling for it? Go see her to get your good time. You like her that is fine. Don't go to act like you a mentor or something.

I bet the ranch she will probably cry and ask who would do this to her. She will say be / s like it probably is ex boyfriend or jealous escort and client. It is a GAME.[/QUOTE]Look, these women are human beings and deserve some decent treatment but this "game" is not the same as a waitress, counter clerk, or even stripper. Even novices know what they are doing. Men have been offering them favors for favors years. I understand wanting to be cordial and sometimes it even can turn into more of a FWB situation than a straight business deal. That is cool too. The thing is we can not go into these things thinking or even wanting for it to turn to a situation like that. Especially if sharing information, counseling, and mentoring is your angle! Give her what she wants, get what you want, do it respectfully and keep it at that. If things develop after multiple encounters cool but PLEASE keep others out of it, Please keep the board out of it! That is not an unreasonable request. Captain save a ho is a loser! These providers do not deserve and can not handle information. Please stop giving it to them. It also seems as though some grown ass men on here also can't handle and don't deserve information. Not speaking to anyone individually just continuing to advocate in general for us to tighten our circle and keep the sharing of info between us only. They already have an advantage, they have about half the money and all they p-ssy. They don't need any help by snitching and ratting on each other.

Clear you mailbox man. No point in PMing me for info if I cannot reply!

GW

Hey man. Perhaps I used the wrong word. I certainly do not attempt to counsel a girl. Perhaps I should have said "tell her to keep her trap shut". LOL Peace.

[QUOTE=Grand Mephisto; 1137855]It may sound harsh but I really don't mean to be. Why are you counseling her? This girl has 3 different names and email addrsses. Give out too much personal info. Go crazy on guy who just asks for information and gets told you streetwhore guys are s. She know this is a game. Why you falling for it? Go see her to get your good time. You like her that is fine. Don't go to act like you a mentor or something.

I bet the ranch she will probably cry and ask who would do this to her. She will say be / s like it probably is ex boyfriend or jealous escort and client. It is a GAME. [/QUOTE]

I agree with Jimmy on this. I have really shut my mouth. Not said anything about other guys or the forum to anybody. The ONLY time I do, is on first call if the guy who gave me the info tells me "Tell her that x. X gave you info."

Peace. And let's just back to reviewing and info sharing to keep us all safe! And the girls for that matter!

[QUOTE=Jimmyjams;1138138]Look, these women are human beings and deserve some decent treatment but this "game" is not the same as a waitress, counter clerk, or even stripper. Even novices know what they are doing. Men have been offering them favors for favors years. I understand wanting to be cordial and sometimes it even can turn into more of a FWB situation than a straight business deal. That is cool too. The thing is we can not go into these things thinking or even wanting for it to turn to a situation like that. Especially if sharing information, counseling, and mentoring is your angle! Give her what she wants, get what you want, do it respectfully and keep it at that. If things develop after multiple encounters cool but PLEASE keep others out of it, Please keep the board out of it! That is not an unreasonable request. Captain save a ho is a loser! These providers do not deserve and can not handle information. Please stop giving it to them. It also seems as though some grown ass men on here also can't handle and don't deserve information. Not speaking to anyone individually just continuing to advocate in general for us to tighten our circle and keep the sharing of info between us only. They already have an advantage, they have about half the money and all they p-ssy. They don't need any help by snitching and ratting on each other.[/QUOTE]

Can I get info on these ladies.

[QUOTE=SettleDown;1128184]Met a blk girl a few week back on a web site called tag, said her and a friend were having a BJ contest, I deceided to take her up on her offer, she informed me there was a fee involved, which I agreed to. After I set things up she infomed me that her friend was out of town but I could still meet with her, which I did. Anyway ended up hooking up went to a motel stayed for a few hours and had a good time, this week end me and a friend tried to set up a little orgy where we would bang both of them and swap them around, couldn't get the details to work out, so that little party didn't' go down, tonight I got a phone call from the other girl who was pose to take part, she turned out to be a wht girl she was 19, not the cuties thing you ever saw, but she would do the job, and everything was on the menu, I took her up on her offer of two back to back bjcims, this set me back a Jackson, she then told me not to be bother with the blk girl any more, and she would set me up with her and a friend this week end, and I could switch anytime I wanted, because she is mad at the blk girl the one I knew 1st. She told me she would have her give me a bjcims, I'm going to take her up on both offers. The white girl said she only like blk guys, sorry fellows came from her mouth, not mine, anyway both these girls are 19 and the blk girl is tight as hell, will do her again.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Breastlover69;1138636]Can I get info on these ladies.[/QUOTE]Yeah buddy, your mailbox is full. I tried to send you message and request info a long time ago. Very interested in these girls!

[QUOTE=Guywoodson;1138626]Hey man. Perhaps I used the wrong word. I certainly do not attempt to counsel a girl. Perhaps I should have said "tell her to keep her trap shut". LOL Peace.[/QUOTE]I agree 100% with you.

What did the forum learn from all this?

For starters, if this girl is UTR (or turned UTR) there should not be any comments or reviews about her on a public forum.

The information posted here is on a public forum and anyone can read it and even web crawlers spread that information around the [url]WWW.[/url] Go to Google and enter your user name as list here and put this domain name beside it. What you'll find, if you search it correctly, is nothing here is private. It's spread around for a lot of people to read.

The "mind fuck" this girl refers to is the reviewer stated he did not plan on seeing the girl again. Now we all know that situation changed, but the original review wasn't amended or revised. You can't blame the girl for getting confused or upset about that.

Discretion and confidentiality is a two-way street. When you tell these girls your personal info you expect them to keep it confidential. Putting out personal info on these girls. Real names, where they go to school, what they really do, etc. There was no need to clarify where this girl really attends college. You can say a girl is a stripper, but you don't need to draw a map to the club she works in. That's why this girl got upset and found out who this guy really is. She may have stepped out there and said things she shouldn't have, but go back and understand why she did that.

If you go back and read through this entire ordeal we should have learned something from it and not let it happen again.

[QUOTE=Guywoodson;1138626]Hey man. Perhaps I used the wrong word. I certainly do not attempt to counsel a girl. Perhaps I should have said "tell her to keep her trap shut". LOL Peace.[/QUOTE]

Had a dream about her last night. It was nice. She is worth seeing especially if you like petite women. She is tiny and kittly is pretty and tiny as well. I have permission to share digits with specific conditions. All I am going to share here. SM and those who share with me feel free to PM me for full scoop.

BTW. RF's take on situation has merit.

Happy Hunting

It was strange how she was all trying to get everyone to love her service shortly before leaving to NN. I always wondered what the point of that was if she was soon leaving anyway. I guess the comments on here got to her ego or something. On another note, I wonder what happened to her young hot blonde friend with the glasses who "tasha" had a falling out with? The body was pretty much perfect in my eyes. I wanted to set something up, but she seemed to disappear once "tasha" and her were on the outs. Anyone know?

[QUOTE=Richmond Guy; 1137526]I received a rather confusing PM today accusing me of "mind-fucking" Beth and lying to the board. With all the flaming that sometimes goes on here, I would like to clear up my position, for what it's worth (which probably isn't much).

I had been exchanging emails with Beth for a couple of weeks, but recently saw her after reading Guy Woodson's review. Guy and I have similar tastes and have communicated on several occasions. My experience was not as stellar as Guy's and I posted a somewhat lukewarm review of her. I decided to email her and tell her a bit about my reaction, because she's young, fairly bright, and I think she could be a great provider. We exchanged several emails, and finally came to an understanding of each other.

I guess that email exchange was the "mind-fuck." I wrote her, she wrote me back and that continued for awhile until I stopped replying (she replied to every email I sent) , In terms of lying on the board. I've never done that. When I wrote the review, I had no intention of seeing her again. As we continued to write, I began to rethink that.

Now, to date I have not seen her again. If I do, I will post another review.

A similar thing happened a few years ago. I saw the girl who called herself "Tasha" and lived in a house out by the airport. It was a horrible experience and I wrote about it. She and I emailed a bit. In a much less civil manner than my exchange with Beth. And she convinced me to come back. I did, and ended up having a great time. I saw her several times after that, until she moved away.

I don't think that's lying. Sometimes a provider can have a bad day, and my review indicated that she had another appointment to get to. So I may give her another chance. Or I may not.

I wrote her just now and asked if she was sharing my correspondance with anyone, and she denied it. I don't know what, if anything, is getting back to her, and I don't much care. We all know that reviews are individual and that YMMV is true not only with each provider, but also with each session.

For what it's worth. [/QUOTE]

I believe that was her real name, and I can't remember what else she went by. It is a shame I didn't get a chance to do dirty things to her. She worked with tasha for a short while. Medium height, blonde, pretty cute face, very tight body, perky breasts, and nice round bubble buttom. Anyone ever did the dirty deed with her or know where she went?

[QUOTE=Richmond Guy; 1137526]I received a rather confusing PM today accusing me of "mind-fucking" Beth and lying to the board. With all the flaming that sometimes goes on here, I would like to clear up my position, for what it's worth (which probably isn't much).

I had been exchanging emails with Beth for a couple of weeks, but recently saw her after reading Guy Woodson's review. Guy and I have similar tastes and have communicated on several occasions. My experience was not as stellar as Guy's and I posted a somewhat lukewarm review of her. I decided to email her and tell her a bit about my reaction, because she's young, fairly bright, and I think she could be a great provider. We exchanged several emails, and finally came to an understanding of each other.

I guess that email exchange was the "mind-fuck." I wrote her, she wrote me back and that continued for awhile until I stopped replying (she replied to every email I sent) , In terms of lying on the board. I've never done that. When I wrote the review, I had no intention of seeing her again. As we continued to write, I began to rethink that.

Now, to date I have not seen her again. If I do, I will post another review.

A similar thing happened a few years ago. I saw the girl who called herself "Tasha" and lived in a house out by the airport. It was a horrible experience and I wrote about it. She and I emailed a bit. In a much less civil manner than my exchange with Beth. And she convinced me to come back. I did, and ended up having a great time. I saw her several times after that, until she moved away.

I don't think that's lying. Sometimes a provider can have a bad day, and my review indicated that she had another appointment to get to. So I may give her another chance. Or I may not.

I wrote her just now and asked if she was sharing my correspondance with anyone, and she denied it. I don't know what, if anything, is getting back to her, and I don't much care. We all know that reviews are individual and that YMMV is true not only with each provider, but also with each session.

For what it's worth. [/QUOTE]

Does anyone remember of know of the older, mature "Starr" from NC. Real name Eden?

Supposedly, she was murdered. This is supposedly the story about her.

[url]http://www.waff.com/Global/story.asp?S=13477801[/url]

[QUOTE=Richmond Fotog; 1144497]Does anyone remember of know of the older, mature "Starr" from NC. Real name Eden?

Supposedly, she was murdered. This is supposedly the story about her.

[url]http://www.waff.com/Global/story.asp?S=13477801[/url][/QUOTE]I bumped into a Starr a few times through Aphrodite Escorts. Petite, very accommodating. Not older though. Oops, too far back, I've got nothing. I never could remember their names. In those days most of the good talent was from the Carolinas. A picture I could work with. Not one pic in all those news stories, suspicious.

That is her actual name, but I have not confirmed if that is actually her in the article. No one claims to have seen her in awhile. She lived in NC the last time I talked to her and had a crazy be / f that worked with a circus.

The strange part is someone using the name "SledgeHammer" is sending messages to providers on escorts_com telling them to Google Eden and asking if they were okay. Says he is coming to RIC to check on everyone.

[QUOTE=Jerricho;1144637]I bumped into a Starr a few times through Aphrodite Escorts. Petite, very accommodating. Not older though. Oops, too far back, I've got nothing. I never could remember their names. In those days most of the good talent was from the Carolinas. A picture I could work with. Not one pic in all those news stories, suspicious.[/QUOTE]

Hey,

Does anyone remember a girl that used the name "Donnavan" she used to work with Aphrodite back around may 2006 or 2007. She was tall somewhat thin with black hair may have been light skinned or mixed? If anyone has any info on her you can pm me or post here.

Thanks

Not sure if this is the right place for this.

I have a lady I've been chatting with, and had lunch with a couple times. We want to hook up, but can't go to the others place. Can anyone recommend a place that is clean, inexpensive, and discrete, ie takes cash?

Hi,

I am looking for an UTR lady or a real low volume provider that isn't too expensive. I know we all want this but it would be nice to find someone that is easy going and likes to have fun.

Thank you.

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Saw this group and checked it out.

Richmondparties on Yahoo.

The guy running the group seems serious but there is slacking in the ranks. He has had 3 GB's lined up in the last week and can not get the guys to go. Seems to be an interesting thought, he also trying to set up private lapdance parties, maybe some of us should go to the dudes GB's. LOL

If anyone is interested Pm and I will send the link.

There have been similar groups off / on for years that never seem to work out for various reasons.

I doubt this guy is doing it all for nothing and that is usually a factor. The girls, location and cost to attend are the others.

Why go to his when you can have your own? It isn't like this town doesn't have girls looking to make money.

[QUOTE=Lone Wolf; 1176183]Richmondparties on Yahoo.

The guy running the group seems serious but there is slacking in the ranks. He has had 3 GB's lined up in the last week and can not get the guys to go. . [/QUOTE]

Dunno if anyone noticed, but that long-time site has posted a page saying it's closing May 31, and anyone due a refund can contact them for it. I have no idea why this is happening, but suspect they have gotten into some deep financial issues lately. Not long ago they raised their ad rates to the girls by a huge amount, to $10 / day or $15 / week.

[QUOTE=Lone Wolf; 1176183]Saw this group and checked it out.

Richmondparties on Yahoo.

The guy running the group seems serious but there is slacking in the ranks. He has had 3 GB's lined up in the last week and can not get the guys to go. Seems to be an interesting thought, he also trying to set up private lapdance parties, maybe some of us should go to the dudes GB's. LOL.

If anyone is interested Pm and I will send the link. [/QUOTE]I don't know that I'd call it "slacking in the ranks". In my case he's running the parties when the wife gets home and I'm off work. If there was something earlier or on some weekends I'd be there. The 5-7pm time frame isn't good for me. I keep hoping to find a time that works and I'll be there. It is something I've never done and want to do.

[QUOTE=Cantwinlosin;1188684]Dunno if anyone noticed, but that long-time site has posted a page saying it's closing May 31, and anyone due a refund can contact them for it. I have no idea why this is happening, but suspect they have gotten into some deep financial issues lately. Not long ago they raised their ad rates to the girls by a huge amount, to $10 / day or $15 / week.[/QUOTE]I was just on there last night and that notice wasn't there. To get a refund: [u]You must provide us with your full name and mailing address if you want a refund check. [/u] I guess a lot of people will let them keep the money or risk getting in trouble with their spouse when the refund check shows up in the mail.

Don't know if anyone saw channel 12 at the Snow White recently but I just saw a segment they did about the DOC paying for indegent sex offenders to stay there. It was informative and also non hobby related.