Mighty Mick's Boxing Club

[QUOTE=RoboPimp;5963025]No one forces these people to get high.

I don't like the leftist term "victim blaming" that has popped up recently.

Saying you are a victim means something happened to you, not something you caused.

You are so far left it cracks me up.

Bleeding heart liberals don't realize you need to be tough for society to run properly.

2- They dont get cured because they arent in jail long enough.
Lefties like you are prolly ok with how quickly criminals and junkies get out of jail.
But, besides being the reason why Philadelphia is becoming Hell on Earth, it is why they continue to be hooked on Narcotics.
You guys keep voting for these Democrat scumbags hellbent on destroying the city.

They need to keep them in jail for long periods of time.
5-10 months for possession isnt helping.
They need 5-10 years at least.
If you are so broken you are sucking dicks to get high you need to be kept until you are sober and fixed.
...but our prisons are full of corrupt COs who bring in drugs and keep these people addicts.
So my plan would never work without the Prisons firing all the COs and hiring better people.
Every CO i meet is a ghetto scumbag.[/QUOTE]LOL! You don't have a clue and just demonstrated an extremely high level of ignorance on this topic!

Not surprised that you had to resort to name calling and put downs to make a point, that is the venue of the uneducated and incapable. See it all of the time on message boards. Mostly a prop oneself up approach, stick to uneducated points of view and be unwilling to see anything from any other perspective but your own. Sad.

As OP noted there is more at work here than meets the eye. If you want to solve the problem one needs to at least be willing to look at other points of view, rather than dismissing them outright.

We could educate you in this topic but unless you show some interest in other views and willingness to learn, it would be a waste of time.

So keep feeding the problem with your money!

[QUOTE=AnonBuxz;5963666]Incarceration is meant to rehabilitate you, not "fix" you. Rehabilitation puts you on the right path so that you may "fix" yourself in due time. It's up to the individual whether or not they want to partake in the programs / courses offered while in prison to better themselves and have a skill that they can use once they get out.[/QUOTE]Seriously? You believe incarceration is meant to "rehabilitate" a person? LOL! Incarceration is there to PUNISH people in hopes they won't offend, or at least get them out of society because we are afraid of "those people!

If the drug rehabilitation process is so wonderful then why does it have a 90+ recidivism rate? Sounds like a terrible spend of your tax dollars and insurance premiums! Pumping money into a process that fails 90% of the time, for whatever reason. Would you be happy going to a mechanic that failed to fix the problem 90% of the time? Just keep going back to the same guy and maybe it will get fixed?

But programs offered in prison as a way to fix yourself? LOL! What exact programs are you talking about? Who are they available to? What is the entrance and exclusion criteria?

Look, I get where you are coming from as I use to "think" like that. But being in this hobby got me curious about addiction / heroine and I did some research. What I found shocked the shit out of me and made me change my views. BUT I was willing to change views as that is a sign of growth and maturity and it didn't threaten me. I didn't need to stick to old dogma or uneducated points of view.

[QUOTE=AnonBuxz;5963666]Incarceration is meant to rehabilitate you, not "fix" you. Rehabilitation puts you on the right path so that you may "fix" yourself in due time. It's up to the individual whether or not they want to partake in the programs / courses offered while in prison to better themselves and have a skill that they can use once they get out.[/QUOTE]Rehabilitation is getting fixed.

We are talking about broken human Beans.

The purpose of prison is to Rehabilitate.

[QUOTE=Farouk;5963485]Just because you keep someone isolated and sober doesn't mean shit. Every single addict has a ton of mental baggage and trauma, which is what often led to their using in the first place. If you don't address the mental health, being sober never sticks. They get released from jail to the same environment they couldn't cope with, and start using again. Because being incarcerated is never intended to improve your mental health; it never fixes anyone.[/QUOTE]There is nothing WE can do to make them address their problems.

They have to want it.

The only real solution is ridiculously long prison sentences for possession.

Got caught with Heroin? 15 years in prison no questions asked.

Got released but you are still retarded and want to get high and got caught again?

50 years in prison.

You'll come out a Great-Grandmother.

Good luck finding dicks to suck at 85 years old.

And to address your other half correct point: they were never truly Sober in these prisons because because are smuggling in drugs.

Because make a lot of money like this.

I wish I could change the system myself and be in charge of investigation corrupt because.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5964111]Seriously? You believe incarceration is meant to "rehabilitate" a person? LOL! Incarceration is there to PUNISH people in hopes they won't offend, or at least get them out of society because we are afraid of "those people!

If the drug rehabilitation process is so wonderful then why does it have a 90+ recidivism rate? Sounds like a terrible spend of your tax dollars and insurance premiums! Pumping money into a process that fails 90% of the time, for whatever reason. Would you be happy going to a mechanic that failed to fix the problem 90% of the time? Just keep going back to the same guy and maybe it will get fixed?[/QUOTE]A proper prison system WOULD rehabilitate the person if the shithole cities would abolish bail, and probation!

These 2 things along with ARD ruin society because there is no real deterrent against crime.

These criminals know before they reach prison they will get a hundred ways out of any real jail time.

THAT is why rehabilitation in prison is not working; criminals are geing let go far too early and often.

And you are 100% that pumping money into the current system is a waste. And that is because of corrupt COs and Wardens who are just lining their pockets.

Imagine that Mechanic purposely only halfway fixing your problem. So you need to keep coming back.

Imagine if he could fix it ONE TIME. That is all I'm saying what jail should be.

This is why Federal prison is so damned successful. There is no Bail, ARD and probation there.

You get caught you are doing at least 85% of your time.

[QUOTE=RoboPimp;5964282]Rehabilitation is getting fixed.

We are talking about broken human Beans.

The purpose of prison is to Rehabilitate.[/QUOTE]Not sure why you quoted me when we agreed on the same premise of "the purpose of prison is to rehabilitate" when Shampoo was the one who denied it. Regardless, rehabilitating and "fixing" are definitely not the same as I described the difference in regards to going to prison in my original statement.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5964111]Seriously? You believe incarceration is meant to "rehabilitate" a person? LOL! Incarceration is there to PUNISH people in hopes they won't offend, or at least get them out of society because we are afraid of "those people!

If the drug rehabilitation process is so wonderful then why does it have a 90+ recidivism rate? Sounds like a terrible spend of your tax dollars and insurance premiums! Pumping money into a process that fails 90% of the time, for whatever reason. Would you be happy going to a mechanic that failed to fix the problem 90% of the time? Just keep going back to the same guy and maybe it will get fixed?

But programs offered in prison as a way to fix yourself? LOL! What exact programs are you talking about? Who are they available to? What is the entrance and exclusion criteria?

Look, I get where you are coming from as I use to "think" like that. But being in this hobby got me curious about addiction / heroine and I did some research. What I found shocked the shit out of me and made me change my views. BUT I was willing to change views as that is a sign of growth and maturity and it didn't threaten me. I didn't need to stick to old dogma or uneducated points of view.[/QUOTE]Prison is meant to punish, yes, thank you for stating the obvious. There's a reason why the obvious does not have to be stated, but I guess common sense isn't so common anymore these days. First usage of prison is to punish for wrongs committed so that it *may* help to deter the individual from doing said wrongs ever again. Second usage of prison is to rehabilitate, I. E, because you spent X amount of years in prison, you might lag behind when returning to society. Therefore, while in prison, there are programs and courses established to help hones one ability / skills / whatever talents to make them a useful, productive person in society again when returning to the general public.

Next point of emphasis: there's a difference between "prison rehabilitation" and "drug rehabilitation. " I touched on the former and you are arguing the latter.

I'm not sure why Shampoo has a problem with prison being a punishment.

Does he think crime should be awarded?

Prison is supposed to be tough.

"Hey Mr. Drug dealer would you please stop commiting your crimes poisoning the community?

"Excuse me Mr. Murderer, even though you are under arrest we are going to you watch cable TV all day in Prison and talk on cell phones smuggled in by our corrupt because.

Then we are going to release you in 10 months as long as you promise to be a gud boi".

Shampoo, you can't coddle criminals.

Far left liberbal democrat policies have destroyed this city.

These Democrat policies have ruined city life, and have emboldened Criminals.

[QUOTE=AnonBuxz;5964341]Not sure why you quoted me when we agreed on the same premise of "the purpose of prison is to rehabilitate" when Shampoo was the one who denied it. Regardless, rehabilitating and "fixing" are definitely not the same as I described the difference in regards to going to prison in my original statement.

Prison is meant to punish, yes, thank you for stating the obvious. There's a reason why the obvious does not have to be stated, but I guess common sense isn't so common anymore these days. First usage of prison is to punish for wrongs committed so that it *may* help to deter the individual from doing said wrongs ever again. Second usage of prison is to rehabilitate, I. E, because you spent X amount of years in prison, you might lag behind when returning to society. Therefore, while in prison, there are programs and courses established to help hones one ability / skills / whatever talents to make them a useful, productive person in society again when returning to the general public.

Next point of emphasis: there's a difference between "prison rehabilitation" and "drug rehabilitation. " I touched on the former and you are arguing the latter.[/QUOTE]No, tell me what are the SPECIFIC programs in our local prisons that rehabilitate people locked up? How many of the population are able to participate? What are the criteria to include a person in the "rehabilitation" and who gets excluded?

If you can answer those questions from a position of facts and not assumptions, we may have common ground to discuss things.

[QUOTE=RoboPimp;5964351]I'm not sure why Shampoo has a problem with prison being a punishment.

Does he think crime should be awarded?

Prison is supposed to be tough.

"Hey Mr. Drug dealer would you please stop commiting your crimes poisoning the community?

"Excuse me Mr. Murderer, even though you are under arrest we are going to you watch cable TV all day in Prison and talk on cell phones smuggled in by our corrupt because.

Then we are going to release you in 10 months as long as you promise to be a gud boi".

Shampoo, you can't coddle criminals.

Far left liberbal democrat policies have destroyed this city.

These Democrat policies have ruined city life, and have emboldened Criminals.[/QUOTE]Hahaha, what is the point of trying to have a conversation with you about facts when all you can do is degenerate the discussion to name calling, make outlandish assumptions of my views and other obfuscate stuff? What does that make you? Enlightened?

It's too bad your view are so narrow as you appear to be a pretty good monger.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5964673]No, tell me what are the SPECIFIC programs in our local prisons that rehabilitate people locked up? How many of the population are able to participate? What are the criteria to include a person in the "rehabilitation" and who gets excluded?

If you can answer those questions from a position of facts and not assumptions, we may have common ground to discuss things.[/QUOTE]In the year of 2022, with smart devices at your easy disposal, you want to wait on someone to tell on something on an internet forum rather than simply googling it yourself? Christ almighty.

BTW, they're not assumptions, they're facts. Again, look it up. You can crack a book or take a college class on it too if you want.

In response to Frank in the SW thread:

Any "boyfriend" you see on the ave is usually a half-assed Pimp.

Not even Pimps. They are just a guy who is finessing your money from these girls.

Finessing, Strong-arming, or playing the role of Boyfriend.

I just do not understand how anyone can let / make ther girl walk the streets.

It is sick.

[QUOTE=AnonBuxz;5964755]In the year of 2022, with smart devices at your easy disposal, you want to wait on someone to tell on something on an internet forum rather than simply googling it yourself? Christ almighty.

BTW, they're not assumptions, they're facts. Again, look it up. You can crack a book or take a college class on it too if you want.[/QUOTE]Also, how would we people that assumably have never been to prison, know which specific programs there are?

I was a CO in a Halfway house and there are programs but I can't remember those shits.

It was a decade ago.

All I know is that criminals get every opportunity in the world to turn their life around.

It fails in cities because Super Left Democrat SOCIALISTS don't make prison hard enough.

Bail, Probation and all these other programs need to be ABOLISHED.

All we need to fix society is ridiculously long prison sentences 100% served.

The deterrent to commit crime would be firmly set in place and cities would become nice places to live.

[QUOTE=RoboPimp;5971428]Also, how would we people that assumably have never been to prison, know which specific programs there are?

I was a CO in a Halfway house and there are programs but I can't remember those shits.

It was a decade ago.

All I know is that criminals get every opportunity in the world to turn their life around.

It fails in cities because Super Left Democrat SOCIALISTS don't make prison hard enough.

Bail, Probation and all these other programs need to be ABOLISHED.

All we need to fix society is ridiculously long prison sentences 100% served.

The deterrent to commit crime would be firmly set in place and cities would become nice places to live.[/QUOTE]Without getting into left vs. Right, generally I agree with you that we are not tough enough on crime in this country. I believe things happen because we tolerate them happening, and part of that tolerance is the ease with which people can offend, escape any serious punishment and quickly reoffend.

However before we get to "ridiculously long prison sentences 100% served", you have to consider that you'd be judging everyone. From the first time offender to the person with a rap sheet thicker than your arm. At the single worst moment of their lives, and making them pay with years and years of confinement for their first mistake.

Sure, there are plenty of people on the streets who shouldn't be there. And I believe firmly in some sort of three strikes system (or two, or four. We don't have to be held to Abner Doubleday's rules here). I think for many crimes (violent or quasi-violent), the more you keep breaking the law the longer and longer your sentence should be, until perhaps you have no chance of ever getting out.

But I'm not comfortable sweeping up every first time offender and whisking them behind bars with hardened criminals.

That's not justice. That's lunacy.

[QUOTE=AnonBuxz;5964755]In the year of 2022, with smart devices at your easy disposal, you want to wait on someone to tell on something on an internet forum rather than simply googling it yourself? Christ almighty.

BTW, they're not assumptions, they're facts. Again, look it up. You can crack a book or take a college class on it too if you want.[/QUOTE]LOL! Typical response from a dude who has no clue. If you knew what the programs were you could name them, but instead the 2020's cop out. Google it!

BUt yer diverting the convo. "rehab" for junkies has a failure rate of greater than 90%, Why don't you get all excited that your tax dollars are being wasted on those programs? Or is it ok to keep doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? Oh wait! That's the definition of insanity! Well, shit, we can't be insane so instead let's just blame the victims! Sigh.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5973568]LOL! Typical response from a dude who has no clue. If you knew what the programs were you could name them, but instead the 2020's cop out. Google it!

BUt yer diverting the convo. "rehab" for junkies has a failure rate of greater than 90%, Why don't you get all excited that your tax dollars are being wasted on those programs? Or is it ok to keep doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? Oh wait! That's the definition of insanity! Well, shit, we can't be insane so instead let's just blame the victims! Sigh.[/QUOTE]"Typical response from a guy who had no clue. " Like I said, why would I waste my precious time explaining something to a random stranger on the internet in exquisite detail when he can't help himself by just doing a little bit of work. Mind you, it's a little bit of work that would net you most of the answers that you so desperately believe they don't exist. I've studied in this field since 2014, so I know for a fact, via primary source education, that such rehabilitation programs exist.

Word to the wise: don't question someone else's intelligence in a losing effort when it's so clearly everyone vs you in accordance.

[QUOTE=AnonBuxz;5974058]"Typical response from a guy who had no clue. " Like I said, why would I waste my precious time explaining something to a random stranger on the internet in exquisite detail when he can't help himself by just doing a little bit of work. Mind you, it's a little bit of work that would net you most of the answers that you so desperately believe they don't exist. I've studied in this field since 2014, so I know for a fact, via primary source education, that such rehabilitation programs exist.

Word to the wise: don't question someone else's intelligence in a losing effort when it's so clearly everyone vs you in accordance.[/QUOTE]Been studying since 2014 and still doesn't know that most drug "rehab" programs have a 90+% recidivism rate? LOL!

Just having a program is one thing, having a program that actually WORKS would be even better!

But hey, it's OK. Easier to blame the victims than hollar for a change to something that works.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5974419]


But hey, it's OK. Easier to blame the victims than hollar for a change to something that works.[/QUOTE]But yet you sit on your pulpit degrading others for taking advantage of these so called "victims" as you victimize them for paying them for a BJ. Priceless LOL.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5974419]Been studying since 2014 and still doesn't know that most drug "rehab" programs have a 90+% recidivism rate? LOL![/QUOTE]The only thing that's LOL here is the fact that you still can't read. You were told several days ago that the topic is about prison rehabilitation / crime recidivism and not "drug rehab" but yet you still think it's about the latter. This discussion is over until you can prove that you have enough brain cells to engage in stimulating conversations.

Btw, stop lying through your teeth; the "drug rehab" failure/recidivism rate is not at 90%: https://www.legacytreatment.org/blog/rehab-success-rate-statistics/

[QUOTE=AnonBuxz;5974526]The only thing that's LOL here is the fact that you still can't read. You were told several days ago that the topic is about prison rehabilitation / crime recidivism and not "drug rehab" but yet you still think it's about the latter. This discussion is over until you can prove that you have enough brain cells to engage in stimulating conversations.

Btw, stop lying through your teeth; the "drug rehab" failure/recidivism rate is not at 90%: https://www.legacytreatment.org/blog/rehab-success-rate-statistics/[/QUOTE]FWIW, the failure rate is not 90%, but it's also nowhere near the high percentages posted on the legacy treatment website.

The data is always subjective in how "success" is measured. The rehab centers measure it in a way that makes their programs look successful. Other studies slant it the other way, as high number get better media attention or more funding. Real numbers are hard to get accurate, as relapsing addicts are not easy people to survey. I have no dog in this fight, but I do know from personal experience that the numbers that counselors are given for 2020/21 is that 40% to 60% of addicts that complete rehab will relapse within 1 year. The number of people that completed rehab and died from overdose within the first year was said to be as high as 8% one year, and that was before fentanyl was a thing.

Speaking to the rehab options in prison: you just have to consider the setting. You literally have a captive audience with nowhere to go. Sure for some people it sticks and they maintain sobriety when they get out, but most people are just passing time. The programs in prison usually have nowhere near the success that other programs do, and even those are a long shot. Very few offer much beyond AA and NA, there simply isn't the staffing for consistent group therapy. At least this is what I get as feedback.

[QUOTE=Farouk;5974723]FWIW, the failure rate is not 90%, but it's also nowhere near the high percentages posted on the legacy treatment website.

The data is always subjective in how "success" is measured. The rehab centers measure it in a way that makes their programs look successful. Other studies slant it the other way, as high number get better media attention or more funding. Real numbers are hard to get accurate, as relapsing addicts are not easy people to survey. I have no dog in this fight, but I do know from personal experience that the numbers that counselors are given for 2020/21 is that 40% to 60% of addicts that complete rehab will relapse within 1 year. The number of people that completed rehab and died from overdose within the first year was said to be as high as 8% one year, and that was before fentanyl was a thing.

Speaking to the rehab options in prison: you just have to consider the setting. You literally have a captive audience with nowhere to go. Sure for some people it sticks and they maintain sobriety when they get out, but most people are just passing time. The programs in prison usually have nowhere near the success that other programs do, and even those are a long shot. Very few offer much beyond AA and NA, there simply isn't the staffing for consistent group therapy. At least this is what I get as feedback.[/QUOTE]Exactly! So to say that there are programs out there and thus no one should be an addict is just plain ignorant! Yeah, we want to believe that we as society are doing the right thing to help people, when in fact the programs in general are a terrible failure!

[QUOTE=Pkgman;5974516]But yet you sit on your pulpit degrading others for taking advantage of these so called "victims" as you victimize them for paying them for a BJ. Priceless LOL.[/QUOTE]Why did you feel the need to jump in a degrade me with your post! Does it make you feel like a BIG MAN to attack others? Geez! You didn't have a dog in this fight, jumping in the way you did doesn't reflect well on you. Just saying.

But lets set the record straight: You can read my posts and see I have a LONG history of standing up for the girls against the dudes who beat these girls, pull their hair or do other acts of violence just to get the out of their car when things don't go as they like.

I don't recall you being at the forefront of defending the girls against acts of violence.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5975076]Why did you feel the need to jump in a degrade me with your post! Does it make you feel like a BIG MAN to attack others? Geez! You didn't have a dog in this fight, jumping in the way you did doesn't reflect well on you. Just saying.

But lets set the record straight: You can read my posts and see I have a LONG history of standing up for the girls against the dudes who beat these girls, pull their hair or do other acts of violence just to get the out of their car when things don't go as they like.

I don't recall you being at the forefront of defending the girls against acts of violence.[/QUOTE]Jackals prey on people like you.

[QUOTE=Jayke00;5972987]Without getting into left vs. Right, generally I agree with you that we are not tough enough on crime in this country. I believe things happen because we tolerate them happening, and part of that tolerance is the ease with which people can offend, escape any serious punishment and quickly reoffend.

However before we get to "ridiculously long prison sentences 100% served", you have to consider that you'd be judging everyone. From the first time offender to the person with a rap sheet thicker than your arm. At the single worst moment of their lives, and making them pay with years and years of confinement for their first mistake.

Sure, there are plenty of people on the streets who shouldn't be there. And I believe firmly in some sort of three strikes system (or two, or four. We don't have to be held to Abner Doubleday's rules here). I think for many crimes (violent or quasi-violent), the more you keep breaking the law the longer and longer your sentence should be, until perhaps you have no chance of ever getting out.

But I'm not comfortable sweeping up every first time offender and whisking them behind bars with hardened criminals.

That's not justice. That's lunacy.[/QUOTE]It is really simple.

Our justice system is too lax, and completly Broken.

I'm not saying 1st time offenders need to get roofed, I mean Probations / Furloughs / Bail / ARD / Community service all need to be Abolished.

You commit a Crime?

Do the time. ALL OF IT.

Come out and you a still a Hardhead?

Get Roofed.

Just like the Federal Prison system.

By the time you get out you are a senior citizen.

That is how it should be.

Crime would dry up and the only criminals left would be the complete radicals.

[QUOTE=RoboPimp;5976108]It is really simple.

Our justice system is too lax, and completly Broken.

I'm not saying 1st time offenders need to get roofed, I mean Probations / Furloughs / Bail / ARD / Community service all need to be Abolished.

You commit a Crime?

Do the time. ALL OF IT.

Come out and you a still a Hardhead?

Get Roofed.

Just like the Federal Prison system.

By the time you get out you are a senior citizen.

That is how it should be.

Crime would dry up and the only criminals left would be the complete radicals.[/QUOTE]I think the reason why I can't get behind your system of justice is because it puts everyone's life on the edge of the knife.

Sure, you'd have to go pretty far out of your way to rob a house or commit true first degree murder (pre-meditated). But your system of justice is dangerously close to what we have in places like Russia or China. And yeah, street crime can be lower there. Singapore too. But look at everything else that comes with it. Do you really want to live in that society? If so, I think Putin and Jinping would welcome your emigrating with open arms. And then you could live in a society where if you make one mistake it's not tolerated, and **poof** - you're never heard from again.

I'm all for an accelerating scale of punishment. If you can't prove you can go out of your way to live a righteous life after making your first mistake, you deserve to go away for a lot longer the second time around. And if you're dumb enough to reoffend after that, yeah, maybe you end up dying in prison.

But I don't think blindly throwing people away after one mistake is the right way to run a society either. America is the land of second chances for a reason, and you have to give people a path back to redemption. At least the first time.

[QUOTE=Jayke00;5976804]I think the reason why I can't get behind your system of justice is because it puts everyone's life on the edge of the knife.

Sure, you'd have to go pretty far out of your way to rob a house or commit true first degree murder (pre-meditated). But your system of justice is dangerously close to what we have in places like Russia or China. And yeah, street crime can be lower there. Singapore too. But look at everything else that comes with it. Do you really want to live in that society? If so, I think Putin and Jinping would welcome your emigrating with open arms. And then you could live in a society where if you make one mistake it's not tolerated, and **poof** - you're never heard from again.

I'm all for an accelerating scale of punishment. If you can't prove you can go out of your way to live a righteous life after making your first mistake, you deserve to go away for a lot longer the second time around. And if you're dumb enough to reoffend after that, yeah, maybe you end up dying in prison.

But I don't think blindly throwing people away after one mistake is the right way to run a society either. America is the land of second chances for a reason, and you have to give people a path back to redemption. At least the first time.[/QUOTE]See there is your problem: you see these "mistakes" as accidental.

I see them as something done on purpose and only a completley broken person could do.

A criminal is a Criminal. They serve no purpose in society and need to be excavated from it.

You are watching too many movies and TV to think the majority of these criminals can turn their lives around.

From my time as a CO I'd say less than 1% actually do something with their lives after.

It would save the city so much time and money to just Roof them.

[QUOTE=RoboPimp;5984965]See there is your problem: you see these "mistakes" as accidental.

I see them as something done on purpose and only a completley broken person could do.

A criminal is a Criminal. They serve no purpose in society and need to be excavated from it.

You are watching too many movies and TV to think the majority of these criminals can turn their lives around.

From my time as a CO I'd say less than 1% actually do something with their lives after.

It would save the city so much time and money to just Roof them.[/QUOTE]I can understand your outlook now that you've told us you were a CO. Consider that you see a disproportionately terrible part of society and that experience may be introducing some bias into your point of view.

And while I acknowledge that you don't see very many people who are "worth saving" in that if they had a second (or a third or a fourth or a tenth) chance that they would probably squander it. And I'm not saying you're wrong there. Some other people get caught up in the system after they make one bad decision (the "mistake" I refer to in my earlier note) and then get trapped in a vicious cycle.

They commit a crime. They get put into prison. The animals in prison cause the first time offender to have to behave a certain way to survive. That person gets mad at society for having been subjected to that after just his first offense. They eventually get out and now they want revenge. On everyone in polite society. They have no respect for anything you or I have, or our well being. They commit another crime, go back inside and the cycle repeats itself.

You may see those people as irredeemable, but I think if you intervene in their lives in a different way than just locking them up and throwing away the key that some of them can indeed have their lives turned around. If we've seen streetwalkers get clean and live normal lives, I don't see why other people can't do the same thing for themselves.

Part of what would have to happen is they'd have to make reparations to the people they hurt because of their crimes, and I grant you that such a thing isn't always possible or feasible (depending on the crime).

But I just can't get behind giving up on someone the first time they shoplift from a convenience store or try to steal from a big department store to sell those things so they can have things they want or need.

I'm not saying that behavior is right or that it's excusable, but I do think it's redeemable.

Other crimes, maybe not so much.

[QUOTE=TexacoTim;5987278]This is beyond morbid. Hard pass. TT.[/QUOTE]Jeez! Can we have a little humor of fun with things and not have to take everything so serious? Or is the woke culture playing its cancel culture card?

Oh well.

[QUOTE=Jayke00;5989324]I can understand your outlook now that you've told us you were a CO. Consider that you see a disproportionately terrible part of society and that experience may be introducing some bias into your point of view.

And while I acknowledge that you don't see very many people who are "worth saving" in that if they had a second (or a third or a fourth or a tenth) chance that they would probably squander it. And I'm not saying you're wrong there. Some other people get caught up in the system after they make one bad decision (the "mistake" I refer to in my earlier note) and then get trapped in a vicious cycle.

They commit a crime. They get put into prison. The animals in prison cause the first time offender to have to behave a certain way to survive. That person gets mad at society for having been subjected to that after just his first offense. They eventually get out and now they want revenge. On everyone in polite society. They have no respect for anything you or I have, or our well being. They commit another crime, go back inside and the cycle repeats itself.

You may see those people as irredeemable, but I think if you intervene in their lives in a different way than just locking them up and throwing away the key that some of them can indeed have their lives turned around. If we've seen streetwalkers get clean and live normal lives, I don't see why other people can't do the same thing for themselves.

Part of what would have to happen is they'd have to make reparations to the people they hurt because of their crimes, and I grant you that such a thing isn't always possible or feasible (depending on the crime).

But I just can't get behind giving up on someone the first time they shoplift from a convenience store or try to steal from a big department store to sell those things so they can have things they want or need.

I'm not saying that behavior is right or that it's excusable, but I do think it's redeemable.

Other crimes, maybe not so much.[/QUOTE]No one who goes to jail is a first timer, unless it's a serious crime. No shoplifters are going to prison, especially under Krasner. Every first time offender gets a break whether it's ARD and an expungement or just probation. The only ones in prison today are violent offenders, repeat offenders or big time drug dealers. They don't become animals in prison, they're in prison because they are already animals and cannot behave in polite society.

I just made a report on Heather and rate her a 6 even though I loved her body, her face was Average at BEST.

How high of a rating do you need for a girl's face to have her as your girl?

How much does weight matter to you? Would you rather have a super ugly thin girl or a really pretty Fat girl?

What if she has a Super Model face but she is 400 lbs like Tess Holiday?

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5998307]Jeez! Can we have a little humor of fun with things and not have to take everything so serious? Or is the woke culture playing its cancel culture card?

Oh well.[/QUOTE]How are dead women funny?

[QUOTE=JTerry26;6001289]How are dead women funny?[/QUOTE]

No one said dead women were funny. I hope that wasn't a typical technique used on threads: changing the subject.

[b]Everybody dies dies, given a long enough time-frame the survival rate is ZERO! It is a fact of life. [/b]

But haven't you heard of a "wake?" Seems I remember in some cultures that is a reason to celebrate.

What is wrong with a little jocularity in this space or these threads?

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6001533]No one said dead women were funny. I hope that wasn't a typical technique used on threads: changing the subject.

[b]Everybody dies dies, given a long enough time-frame the survival rate is ZERO! It is a fact of life. [/b]

But haven't you heard of a "wake?" Seems I remember in some cultures that is a reason to celebrate.

What is wrong with a little jocularity in this space or these threads?[/QUOTE]One dude called the dead women thread beyond morbid and you replied what's wrong with a little humor and I replied to that. These are threads, as in they are thread together. I didn't change the subject. A to B to C.

[QUOTE=JTerry26;6001707]One dude called the dead women thread beyond morbid and you replied what's wrong with a little humor and I replied to that. These are threads, as in they are thread together. I didn't change the subject. A to B to C.[/QUOTE]Oh jeez, got to PARSE things to keep them on track. Nice try in saying A = C. NOT! Threaded together, PUUUUUULEEEEEAZ!

Title of thread was humour, but apparently a few don't have any sense of humor.

The objection was to the title, not dead people or dead women.

Where do you think girls who do drugs and sell their bodies go when they "transition" this world?

Click on "view original post" on my response to you and keep clicking. It's directly threaded together. A to B to C.

Edit - and now you deleted his original post. Consciousness of guilt? Heh. Nice.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6001727]Oh jeez, got to PARSE things to keep them on track. Nice try in saying A = C. NOT! Threaded together, PUUUUUULEEEEEAZ!

Title of thread was humour, but apparently a few don't have any sense of humor.

The objection was to the title, not dead people or dead women.

Where do you think girls who do drugs and sell their bodies go when they "transition" this world?[/QUOTE]

If I was just skeptical before, now I am convinced!

So I tossed some shade the way of LoveKPhilly and right away that post got met with a whole bunch of replies from, again, low post count dudes! These "new" dudes are apparently now experts at Mongering in Philly and one should take their word for it just because they said so!

The multitude of response to my post falls under the "me thinks the lady doth protest too much. ".

And the prices are reasonable? Just shows how inexperienced the reviewers are in Philly and the other options available.

Oh sure I have seen top-level independent escorts require screening and two references, but never an agency or a glorified AMP. Providing IRL information about yourself when one is engage in illegal activity is just plain stupid and anyone that falls for that deserves whatever "oh shit!" happens as a result!

I expect more attacks and reasons why I am wrong about LoveKPhilly, because after all it looks like they have a BIG promotional campaign going on on this site with a slew of newly created posters all telling you how great it is!

I mean the place has been around 5 freaking days and already there are a half dozen dudes that have been there, think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread and who independently came here to sing its praises?

With this kind of shilling going on, while I was skeptical before, now I wouldn't touch the place with a 10-ft pole!

Hey Shampoo, cut the shit and be a man, just go see them for yourself and produce real reports based on your own experience. No matter what you must go through their screening process.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6011847]If I was just skeptical before, now I am convinced!

So I tossed some shade the way of LoveKPhilly and right away that post got met with a whole bunch of replies from, again, low post count dudes! These "new" dudes are apparently now experts at Mongering in Philly and one should take their word for it just because they said so!

The multitude of response to my post falls under the "me thinks the lady doth protest too much. ".

And the prices are reasonable? Just shows how inexperienced the reviewers are in Philly and the other options available.

Oh sure I have seen top-level independent escorts require screening and two references, but never an agency or a glorified AMP. Providing IRL information about yourself when one is engage in illegal activity is just plain stupid and anyone that falls for that deserves whatever "oh shit!" happens as a result!

I expect more attacks and reasons why I am wrong about LoveKPhilly, because after all it looks like they have a BIG promotional campaign going on on this site with a slew of newly created posters all telling you how great it is![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PeterNascar;6011951]I haven't see Amanda yet.[/QUOTE]Is this one guy posting ads as two guys (or more) or two guys posting ads? This can't be real.

Just posted something similar in the escort thread. Complete bullshit.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6011847]If I was just skeptical before, now I am convinced!

So I tossed some shade the way of LoveKPhilly and right away that post got met with a whole bunch of replies from, again, low post count dudes! These "new" dudes are apparently now experts at Mongering in Philly and one should take their word for it just because they said so!

The multitude of response to my post falls under the "me thinks the lady doth protest too much. ".

And the prices are reasonable? Just shows how inexperienced the reviewers are in Philly and the other options available.

Oh sure I have seen top-level independent escorts require screening and two references, but never an agency or a glorified AMP. Providing IRL information about yourself when one is engage in illegal activity is just plain stupid and anyone that falls for that deserves whatever "oh shit!" happens as a result!

I expect more attacks and reasons why I am wrong about LoveKPhilly, because after all it looks like they have a BIG promotional campaign going on on this site with a slew of newly created posters all telling you how great it is!

I mean the place has been around 5 freaking days and already there are a half dozen dudes that have been there, think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread and who independently came here to sing its praises?

With this kind of shilling going on, while I was skeptical before, now I wouldn't touch the place with a 10-ft pole![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnDoe3428;6011882]Hey Shampoo, cut the shit and be a man, just go see them for yourself and produce real reports based on your own experience. No matter what you must go through their screening process.[/QUOTE]Shampoo has nearly 1600 posts and you have 7. At least half are about the same K agency all you newbies are so desperately shilling. You have ZERO credibility. Yea.

[QUOTE=JTerry26;6012494]Shampoo has nearly 1600 posts and you have 7. At least half are about the same K agency all you newbies are so desperately shilling. You have ZERO credibility. Yea.[/QUOTE]So what?! Although Shampoo guy has 1600+ posts, which means he has nothing else to do but posting for some hookers and their simps, if he posts none other than some imaginative suspicion, then his credential must be reconsidered, it means nothing! Maybe that's the reason why USASexGuide forums for Asian providers in Philadelphia area are so low and depressed??