Rants and Raves

[QUOTE=PayForItAnyway;2549449]. I haven't seen many review on here where someone has paid those prices and was totally satisfied..[/QUOTE]I don't want to break any rules here about promoting competition, but this board represents only a small segment of the overall hobby space (& I'm going to call a spade a spade) at least in Atlanta this board skews towards the lower end (both the women and the mongers that visit them). There is an active hobby / monger scene that exists at the $400 and up price range it just is not discussed here for the most part. Just because you guys aren't playing in that space doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

High Dollar Hotties or HDHs as they were called on a now defunct message board.

I know and have known a number of them in Atlanta and other cities for years.

For the most part they are in the $400/ hour+ range and typically do multi hour appointments. They typically only see 3 or 4 guys a week and rarely see more than one in a single day (& certainly not back to back). They screen heavily and do not accept same day appointments from new clients. They are not sitting around an incall waiting for the phone to ring. They work independently (no pimp). Their clientele is a mix of local regulars and business travelers. The out of towners typically repeat but often it is 3 to 6 months or more between visits.

There is a market out there even in Atlanta of guys that don't mind dropping $500-1000+ for a date. They are looking for someone discreet, reliable, on time, and delivers well in bed. They also want someone that has a head on her shoulders and can carry on a conversation. Sometimes dinner or drinks precedes the bedroom time and even without the dinner/drinks you want a girl that can carry a conversation between "rounds"

Is it worth it? Different strokes for different folks. Frankly for most of us (myself included) it is just not practical financially to monger at this level all the time. But the "product" or experience is different than BP roulette.

What's the "cost" of playing BP roulette if you have a bad date (time wasted) or have safety concerns? For some time starved guys that make bank, much easier to "overpay" to ensure they have a good date.

My point in sharing this is to say this market exists & to highlight some differences between this and the BP girls. I'm not "guessing" about this or how it works.

[QUOTE=Steak404;2549539]High Dollar Hotties or HDHs as they were called on a now defunct message board.

I know and have known a number of them in Atlanta and other cities for years.

For the most part they are in the $400/ hour+ range and typically do multi hour appointments. They typically only see 3 or 4 guys a week and rarely see more than one in a single day (& certainly not back to back). They screen heavily and do not accept same day appointments from new clients. They are not sitting around an incall waiting for the phone to ring. They work independently (no pimp). Their clientele is a mix of local regulars and business travelers. The out of towners typically repeat but often it is 3 to 6 months or more between visits.

There is a market out there even in Atlanta of guys that don't mind dropping $500-1000+ for a date. They are looking for someone discreet, reliable, on time, and delivers well in bed. They also want someone that has a head on her shoulders and can carry on a conversation. Sometimes dinner or drinks precedes the bedroom time and even without the dinner/drinks you want a girl that can carry a conversation between "rounds"

Is it worth it? Different strokes for
different folks. Frankly for most of us (myself included) it is just not practical financially to monger at this level all the time. But the "product" or experience is different than BP roulette.

What's the "cost" of playing BP roulette if you have a bad date (time wasted) or have safety concerns? For some time starved guys that make bank, much easier to "overpay" to ensure they have a good date.

My point in sharing this is to say this market exists & to highlight some differences between this and the BP girls. I'm not "guessing" about this or how it works.[/QUOTE]You make good points can't debate them. Look at warren Sapp, I'm sure he didn't pay 60,80 or even 400 for the hoes he bought. He paid much more because he had it. Unfortunately for him, he fucked it up.

[QUOTE=PayForItAnyway;2549554]You make good points can't debate them. Look at warren Sapp, I'm sure he didn't pay 60,80 or even 400 for the hoes he bought. He paid much more because he had it. Unfortunately for him, he fucked it up.[/QUOTE]I have spoke on this topic recently and I will again. HDH's are for those who can and want to play in that realm. It's simply not a league for everyone. Furthermore, YMMV has several meanings. One of which is what you like may not be what someone else likes. For me and my preferences, I like curvy chicks over spinners, prefer brunettes over blondes, vanilla over chocolate, implants over sag, tits over ass, and so on. There are guys who think women I like are 6's and 7's while I see some of those they have seen and feel they look the same or worse. Such decisions are the epitome of YMMV.

This aspect of the hobby is no different than any other business aspect in life. Whether it be food, real estate, or p2 p, whatever the good or service is, it's price is determined by two players. First the servicer, then the client who either is or isn't willing to pay the price for it. Everyone is different, especially when that is depending on your cash flow. At the end of the day, what matters is what you want and what you are willing to pay for it if you have it. Nothing more or less.

After seeing some of the comments today. Calling escorts "hoes", etc. Aren't you concerned that maybe one of your regulars / ATFs will read your comments and take offense to being referred to as a "hoe"?

[QUOTE=PayForItAnyway;2549417]Patriot range Is feeling some type of way.

This morning. LOL.

From the famous words of willy the from ghetto boys. Hoe. Yo pussy is no more important than my dick *****.[/QUOTE]Yea, I was feeling some kind of way. I'm a principle kind of guy. Don't offer a service you don't plan on delivering. If I pay my damn cash, give me what you advertised!!

Pictures and all! Also don't list prices that you aren't satisfied with. You know how many providers have told me "oh its only 80 what did you expect?

Beyatch I expected what was advertised. If its 60 for 30 min then don't start rushing me after 5 minutes.

Plus paying more doesn't mean you're paying for top shelf poon tang or good service. Any provider can decide they want to charge 400 at any time.

Warren Sapp paid over 400 and still didn't get good service. I'm not going to lie, if I give 400 and you do some bullshizz, then I'm not leaving without my 400.

Hell or high water, that is how I know this game is not for me. We shouldn't. Have to take shit from them, especially when we've done our part by paying upfront with the correct donation.

That is why they like older guys. Because they are waaaay easier to get out. Theyll just pay and eat a shit sandwhich without saying or doing anything. Maybe because they are old, they are less aggressive and have more to lose than less established gents.

Just my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=ParrotRange;2549712]Yea, I was feeling some kind of way. I'm a principle kind of guy. Don't offer a service you don't plan on delivering. If I pay my damn cash, give me what you advertised!!

Pictures and all! Also don't list prices that you aren't satisfied with. You know how many providers have told me "oh its only 80 what did you expect?

Beyatch I expected what was advertised. If its 60 for 30 min then don't start rushing me after 5 minutes.

Plus paying more doesn't mean you're paying for top shelf poon tang or good service. Any provider can decide they want to charge 400 at any time.

Warren Sapp paid over 400 and still didn't get good service. I'm not going to lie, if I give 400 and you do some bullshizz, then I'm not leaving without my 400.

Hell or high water, that is how I know this game is not for me. We shouldn't. Have to take shit from them, especially when we've done our part by paying upfront with the correct donation.

That is why they like older guys. Because they are waaaay easier to get out. Theyll just pay and eat a shit sandwhich without saying or doing anything. Maybe because they are old, they are less aggressive and have more to lose than less established gents.

Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]You know I once paid some skank, Envy Star, $200/ hour when I first started doing this. Chic was in an empty apartment on Panola Road with a small ass mattress damn near on the floor. Chic told me that $200 was not enough money for her to do anything. I was like, Bish, then advertise the price you wish to provide services for. Who besides me is giving a chic on Panola Road 200 bones? I even saw her increase her rates to $350 on her websites. I'm like bish please. She doesn't offer multiples in the hour (1 pop only), everything is covered, no GFE, no kissing, no anal. All for $350/ hour. Is that worth any damn $350? She even got some reviews after I reviewed her by some corny ass dudes saying the service was great and she was professional. Some dudes will take any ole garbage. That's why chics charge those outrageous prices. A sucka is born every day. Some fool will pay it.

I'm glad you saw the light after paying that $200 but to be honest I wish more guys would see the light as soon as they enter the house of service.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMapalo;2549733]You know I once paid some skank, Envy Star, $200/ hour when I first started doing this. Chic was in an empty apartment on Panola Road with a small ass mattress damn near on the floor. Chic told me that $200 was not enough money for her to do anything. I was like, Bish, then advertise the price you wish to provide services for. Who besides me is giving a chic on Panola Road 200 bones? I even saw her increase her rates to $350 on her websites. I'm like bish please. She doesn't offer multiples in the hour (1 pop only), everything is covered, no GFE, no kissing, no anal. All for $350/ hour. Is that worth any damn $350? She even got some reviews after I reviewed her by some corny ass dudes saying the service was great and she was professional. Some dudes will take any ole garbage. That's why chics charge those outrageous prices. A sucka is born every day. Some fool will pay it.[/QUOTE]

I'm going to be honest, I almost paid $200 an hrtried a massage and that was only because the unattractive women was talking $150 and they didn't even have a license nor oil to do the job they was trying to do it with some baby oil, Palmers coca butter and Vaseline lotion depending on which stuff they had to choose the price would've changed. And on top of that they wanted a tip, it was clearly obvious plenty of suckers was paying those prices and one small note to mention man some of those chicks pics was fake! Looked far worse in real life, however, I met this one chick on BP advertising I forgot her name but she did provide me with her government name. I could tell she was clearly crazy on her ad it said no black men please I called her up and she set up the appointment with me in less than 5 mins. She worked out of a license massage shop in midtown during the day and evening times it's BP. She called me back and had me reschedule it for her crib which was in lithonia and she reassured me she was legit when we met up she was smiling too hard and she began to flirt with each other and pretty soon it turned into a covered 30 min session for $100 but she would've threw in the massage for $200 . Man that chick was slim name coffee brown completion with a cute face and a nice sleek sexy ass on her. She knew how to phuck to, she could ride good and grind it from the back real well. Too make a long story short I will never pay for a $200 massage but I will pay a $100 that chick was worth it. And it wasn't my 1 $t time doing something this crazy because I really into this 1 suburban black chick giving massages off windy hill rd her friend a white chick who was gorgeous told me about their spot when I came into the room the white chick ended up kicking me too the curve for an older white guy who was spending $250. But the black chick was only doing massages and I had to convince her for 30 mins to sell me some cut which she finally gave in and I spent $120 on that and that was the first time in my life I ever paid that type of money for sex And when I did had no regrets. I got the surburban black chick pics still in my phone which I'll upload later but she was a good phuck and that was her 1st time doing it with ablack guy and it was her last because we kept fooling around until for 6 months and she started claiming that I was trying to get her knocked up And mess up her future at this popular university. I think it really was that when she hit my line I was on FIB hanging out and that was a big mistake to tell a classy woman. And yes there are some women who sell you know what that do have class.

[QUOTE=ParrotRange;2549712]Yea, I was feeling some kind of way. I'm a principle kind of guy. Don't offer a service you don't plan on delivering. If I pay my damn cash, give me what you advertised!!

Pictures and all! Also don't list prices that you aren't satisfied with. You know how many providers have told me "oh its only 80 what did you expect?

Beyatch I expected what was advertised. If its 60 for 30 min then don't start rushing me after 5 minutes.

Plus paying more doesn't mean you're paying for top shelf poon tang or good service. Any provider can decide they want to charge 400 at any time.

Warren Sapp paid over 400 and still didn't get good service. I'm not going to lie, if I give 400 and you do some bullshizz, then I'm not leaving without my 400.

Hell or high water, that is how I know this game is not for me. We shouldn't. Have to take shit from them, especially when we've done our part by paying upfront with the correct donation.

That is why they like older guys. Because they are waaaay easier to get out. Theyll just pay and eat a shit sandwhich without saying or doing anything. Maybe because they are old, they are less aggressive and have more to lose than less established gents.

Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ParrotRange;2549712]Yea, I was feeling some kind of way. I'm a principle kind of guy. Don't offer a service you don't plan on delivering. If I pay my damn cash, give me what you advertised!!

Pictures and all! Also don't list prices that you aren't satisfied with. You know how many providers have told me "oh its only 80 what did you expect?

Beyatch I expected what was advertised. If its 60 for 30 min then don't start rushing me after 5 minutes.

Plus paying more doesn't mean you're paying for top shelf poon tang or good service. Any provider can decide they want to charge 400 at any time.

Warren Sapp paid over 400 and still didn't get good service. I'm not going to lie, if I give 400 and you do some bullshizz, then I'm not leaving without my 400.

Hell or high water, that is how I know this game is not for me. We shouldn't. Have to take shit from them, especially when we've done our part by paying upfront with the correct donation.

That is why they like older guys. Because they are waaaay easier to get out. Theyll just pay and eat a shit sandwhich without saying or doing anything. Maybe because they are old, they are less aggressive and have more to lose than less established gents.

Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]Enjoyed your post about the women and they're business practices. I agree with most of what your saying, but you need to remember that most of these women are not normal, rational people, most are not very smart either, many are desperate and on drugs. I've been mongering for 30+years and have gotten bad service about 30 percent of the time, no matter how much I paid. It's part of the challenge of the game.

As far as being and old guy, your right, most of us would rather take a loss than risk making a scene. I scuffled with a black SW back in the 80's and got stabbed in the back and received stitches over trying to get my money back. I really only been completely ripped off maybe 10 times over the years. Just my 2 cents. Happy mongering.

Did you women that sell ass have class. I call bull ish. What rational staight forward thinking woman would abase herself to selling ass? If you believe these broads have class then why haven't you married one and turned her into a house wife? Old saying you can't turn a hoe into a house wife. It holds true women who sell ass have a psychological issue in the unconscious mind. Listen to dr umar johnson explain hoes in his relationship lecture. But be honest if you met a female and you starting dating. Then you got to the point where yall are very into each other and she says well I do escort sometimes to make extra money what would you do. I just don't see how you can believe that they are classy. I pose a question and real life study. While you guys are out count 15 dudes you see that look over 25 no matter the race age creed or physical appearance. Then think if they had 100 and gave it to your wife girlfriend for sex would you still love her stay stay with her. Me I would be out like a light. I just can't take a prostitute serious as being classy or even having a serious healthy personal relationship with a guy until she has had years of help physical and mental.

[QUOTE=ZeusDawg;2542282]Man it's rough on a brother trying to get with some of these good looking white girls LOL. Most of the ones that look worth your time have the no AA disclaimers. The ones that don't discriminate look like crackheads.[/QUOTE]Wow funny I came across this post I've been dealing with ALOT of this myself lately and it's definitely been ROUGH. Not only do we have to deal with the knucklehead brothers that mess it up for the rest of us, we also have to deal with a few fellow mongers from the other side that pretend to be cool but are doing a lot of hating behind the scenes. The SHADE is real.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;2542420]Ok, so what's the big deal when you have some AA providers saying the same or saying they only see black males over 30-40yrs old permitted. Not trying to start a major discussion on race issues, but it is what is.[/QUOTE]Only seeing black males over 30/40 doesn't bother me I think maturity and finances have alot to do with that decision no matter the race.

Why would you want to see any chick that had no AA? I mean dam speaking as a Afro American I already get bs from society and the females in it. Why would I want to get it from a p2 p chick. Isn't it enough that America thinks I'm not good enough for america. Why would I try to get with a provider who already says no aa on her page. She is already telling you if your black I'm not going to see you if I do it will be shitty or a rip off. If it isn't you are still stupid to spend your money with her. But I guess that's your white dream LOL. [URL]http://m.worldstarhiphop.com/apple/video.php?v=wshh1fuOn5Emm8VIsjfH[/URL] this is what they think of you when they put no aa.

[QUOTE=TheLoad2;2550175]Wow funny I came across this post I've been dealing with ALOT of this myself lately and it's definitely been ROUGH. Not only do we have to deal with the knucklehead brothers that mess it up for the rest of us, we also have to deal with a few fellow mongers from the other side that pretend to be cool but are doing a lot of hating behind the scenes. The SHADE is real.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Buckwild25;2550172]Did you women that sell ass have class. I call bull ish. What rational staight forward thinking woman would abase herself to selling ass? If you believe these broads have class then why haven't you married one and turned her into a house wife? Old saying you can't turn a hoe into a house wife. It holds true women who sell ass have a psychological issue in the unconscious mind. Listen to dr umar johnson explain hoes in his relationship lecture. But be honest if you met a female and you starting dating. Then you got to the point where yall are very into each other and she says well I do escort sometimes to make extra money what would you do. I just don't see how you can believe that they are classy. I pose a question and real life study. While you guys are out count 15 dudes you see that look over 25 no matter the race age creed or physical appearance. Then think if they had 100 and gave it to your wife girlfriend for sex would you still love her stay stay with her. Me I would be out like a light. I just can't take a prostitute serious as being classy or even having a serious healthy personal relationship with a guy until she has had years of help physical and mental.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure if this is the correct place to post this response; since its I this thread I will reply as in few words as I can. Selling as and self-respect (dignity) aren't mutually elusive. Being that just because you sale sex doesn't mean you hate yourself, have mental issues, etc of the negative shit associated with the selling of sex. Let me give you something to think about if selling your body=a lack of self-respect, then being a black male=drama. Not all women who sell their body have mental issues and not all black males means drama. I mean what does that say for a group of men who buy sex? I dislike people e who generalize us because we choose to pay for sex, so maybe you should not generalize the women in the hobby you choose to participate.

Also I'm in total agreement with you about the women who don't see AA men. My question to the ones who say AA men, what about black born Europe's, Africans, Afro Latin men? Black they are but the aren't African American. I dislike reading commits on here of brothers upset because a white girl won't see them. Move on, there are white women out there that will see you just go to them. I prefer black escorts but to each his own.