"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2967405] Strapped up each time. Girl was a screamer. Unreal screamer. Mid-way she's screaming she loves me. She loves the d. K. Girl was cumming back to back out of her mind. I just got tired of banging her after awhile. Doesn't do BJ. She tried, but her mouth and jaw were too small, bit of teeth to. Couldn't blow my load no matter what. Hours of sweat and banging her. It was a good workout. Finally started imaging my ex and was able to get off.

Anyways, sweet girl. Wasn't bad company. Don't think I'll continue. Morning sex was followed by her pillow talk about finance. Asked me if I'd co-sign on a used car loan. ? Told her she was nuts in a nice way. Took her out for breakfast. Girl got really clingy. She was sort of pushing to hold hands in public. Keep it cool, gave her cash for her gas and drive home.[/QUOTE]LOVE screamers and women who cum endlessly. Fires up my engines. Telling you she loves you when banging her for the first time? That's a warning sign. Clingy? Another warning sign. Asking you to co-sign for a loan? I wouldn't do that for a best friend let alone some gal after a first poke. You are wise to let this one go. No piece of ass is worth that kind of hassle.

[QUOTE=EnzoAmore;2968144]I think the percentage of new girls having GPS is getting higher by the day.

Have any of gentleman watched the new cable series called "the Girlfriend Experience"?[/QUOTE]The girls see these type of shows and figure "hey why not me". They just haven't figured out that they need to travel in a different circle than the arrangement type of sites where most mongers call them GPS LOL.

[QUOTE=EnzoAmore;2968144]Have any of gentleman watched the new cable series called "the Girlfriend Experience"?[/QUOTE]Have not seen the cable show but saw the movie it was based on. Not a great movie by any means but I think any SD or monger would enjoy it thus I recommend it. Part of what made the movie interesting was that the girl was played by Sasha Grey (actual porn star), who actually did a reasonably good acting job coming from a porn background.

Sugar dating is getting a lot of attention in a wide range of media. Many stories tell of girls making $100 k+ per year for going to dinner with wealthy men with no intimacy. This draws a lot of women with very unrealistic expectations. Just today I was messaged from a profile featuring two average looking married women wanting companionship with no sexual favors. They have moderate expectations.

I'm amazed that women really think someone would pay $50 k a year for the privilege of taking a couple of average looking women out to dinner a couple of times per month!!

If I see a profile I'm interested with GPS level expectations, I will mention that their expectations are above my budget in my opening message. Many quickly lower their expectations. The others that I never hear from are no loss and and I avoided wasting time.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2967479]So I have been on and off of SA over the last two years. Honestly it has been hit and miss many times. I usually take long breaks in between. I am getting the itch to go back on but while I was perusing the site I have noticed that a lot more of these girls are asking for Moderate allowance. Does it seem like these new girls are getting a bad case of GPS?[/QUOTE]

Hi. I am planning to start a new sugarbabies thread in Boston forum. Its not allowing and giving me a error. Can you please let me know how request admin to start a thread.

[blue]You gotta be a senior member to start threads.

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I have had many stripper bunnies, especially from strip joints that offer private lap dances. It isn't much of a step for a girl from rubbing her snatch all over your crotch to taking it to a hotel room. One-night stands this way are fun but a more permanent and usual SB arrangement can be made for usually a much lesser per visit cost.

I have found that the key to finding a good stripper bunny is attitude. Strippers are like most girls: some are greedy, brazen, cold, jaded and difficult. Others are reasonable, pleasant, sweet and easy-going. One good thing about SB hunting in strip clubs is that you can get to know a stripper pretty easily face to face and give her a test run in the back room.

This particular stripper bunny was very nice. I bought her a drink. We talked at length. Enjoyed a few cum rubs in the back. She was very agreeable to trying a LT SB arrangement. I was pretty sure about exactly what body / personality package I was buying.

It was very good from the start. She was experienced, skilled and enjoyed pleasing as well as being pleased. She gives me some of the best DT I have ever had and anything I want to try is on the table. She will lick fuck and suck me any way I want. She knows she could make more with one-night stands. She also knows that a regular no-bad-surprises arrangement is a good deal for her.

I love it when she does hot lap dances for me. There are no rules like in the club so I can pretend I am a customer and she can take out my cock, tease it and suck it and take as long as she likes because we don't have to stop when the song is over or pony up more cash for another song. An hour of wild lap dancing/hot teasing costs a very small fraction of what it would cost at a strip club and after that I can fuck her brains out.

Life is GOOD my brothers.

[QUOTE=CoolRaj;2969173]Hello All- I wanted to share my today's experience. I contacted to a 19 year college student. Beautiful pic. Scheduled a location for M&g around 65 miles away my place. About 2 hour to date time, she messaged me to paypal me $5 for gas. I just wonder how she can't have $5 for gas. I knew something wrong, either scam or trying verify something. I asked, are you verifying something. She said yes. I gave her 5 $ via paypal. After sometime she said another 10 $ as the previous amount didn't help her much. I said, tell me where you are and I will fill your gas or book a uber. She wasnt ready. So I said I can't give and canceled though the picture was very beautiful.

I believe that was a scam not sure what was that. That's why I am interested a thread in Boston so that we can inform each other about these girls.[/QUOTE]If you do get someone to start a thread in Boston make sure you guys post links to the profiles. See the Cincinnati and Knoxville threads as an example.

[QUOTE=CoolRaj;2969173]Hello All- I wanted to share my today's experience. I contacted to a 19 year college student. Beautiful pic. Scheduled a location for M&g around 65 miles away my place. About 2 hour to date time, she messaged me to paypal me $5 for gas. I just wonder how she can't have $5 for gas. I knew something wrong, either scam or trying verify something. I asked, are you verifying something. She said yes. I gave her 5 $ via paypal. After sometime she said another 10 $ as the previous amount didn't help her much. I said, tell me where you are and I will fill your gas or book a uber. She wasnt ready. So I said I can't give and canceled though the picture was very beautiful.

I believe that was a scam not sure what was that. That's why I am interested a thread in Boston so that we can inform each other about these girls.[/QUOTE]Sorry to say it was a total scam. She was unlikely to meet you. NEVER provide cash before a meet. Either arrange an Uber, or taxi if they can't get to you and you're certain they're real.

The key to remember is that there are plenty of SB's out there. If one starts this sort of game, then move on to the next and don't let it bother you.

We need to all fully out the scammers.

[QUOTE=CoolRaj;2969173]Hello All- I wanted to share my today's experience. I contacted to a 19 year college student. Beautiful pic. Scheduled a location for M&g around 65 miles away my place. About 2 hour to date time, she messaged me to paypal me $5 for gas. I just wonder how she can't have $5 for gas. I knew something wrong, either scam or trying verify something. I asked, are you verifying something. She said yes. I gave her 5 $ via paypal. After sometime she said another 10 $ as the previous amount didn't help her much. I said, tell me where you are and I will fill your gas or book a uber. She wasnt ready. So I said I can't give and canceled though the picture was very beautiful.

I believe that was a scam not sure what was that. That's why I am interested a thread in Boston so that we can inform each other about these girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;2969347]I have had many stripper bunnies, especially from strip joints that offer private lap dances. It isn't much of a step for a girl from rubbing her snatch all over your crotch to taking it to a hotel room. One-night stands this way are fun but a more permanent and usual SB arrangement can be made for usually a much lesser per visit cost. I have found that the key to finding a good stripper bunny is attitude. Strippers are like most girls: some are greedy, brazen, cold, jaded and difficult. Others are reasonable, pleasant, sweet and easy-going. One good thing about SB hunting in strip clubs is that you can get to know a stripper pretty easily face to face and give her a test run in the back room.[/QUOTE]Stripper takeout hunting is one of my favorite pastimes, because I like the certainty of seeing what I'll be getting, and the uncertainty of knowing whether I can talk her into leaving the club with me. If I set up a date with an SB I met online, there is a bit of uncertainty as to whether I'll like her as much as her online pics, and a little too much certainty in the sense that I know if I do like her it's going straight to the FC every time.

Although I wouldn't say stripper hunting is easy, depends on what you're going for and where. In certain cities, and / or hole in the wall type clubs, yes. Some clubs more or less operate like stealth brothels anyway. But my preference is for hunting in the most upscale clubs where the girls are already making a few hundred per night minimum, and they aren't going to give up that kind of income and go home with you (not to mention risking getting fired) unless you've gotten them sufficiently interested in the sex itself. One of the "perfect storm" balances is when you're lucky enough to find a traveling stripper working at an upscale club -- higher quality pussy, but she doesn't have the fear of losing a long-standing job or source of income so she's likely to be more adventurous. Sometimes they just want a fuck buddy when they are dancing in a particular city to show them around or hang out with.

I would say overall my cost per fuck with strippers might be about the same or perhaps even lower than with SBs. Buying them out of the club can be expensive but schedule follow up dates on their night off. If they like you they'll hang out just for fun, sometimes even buy you the drinks. Girls in upscale clubs can get $300+ in a single VIP room fleece job session and turn down random offers for $1 k+ to fuck guys outside the club pretty much every day of the week. Some of them have surprisingly affluent / self-funded lifestyles, so they have to really want to fuck you to do it for a couple of hundred, it's more or less just to compensate them for the income they are going to lose by not staying at the club.

[QUOTE=CoolRaj;2969173]I believe that was a scam not sure what was that. That's why I am interested a thread in Boston so that we can inform each other about these girls.[/QUOTE]If you follow a few basic rules that get discussed in this thread, you won't need to discuss individual girls to avoid scams. By just following the golden rule of Fuck First Pay Later (which implies never, ever advancing payment), you would have avoided this one, whether or not you colluded with other SDs. Plus by showing her she can get away with it, you've only increased the chances that she'll try it again with someone else, or maybe she'll hit you up again with fake pics under a different profile. No matter how many SDs you warn, there will always be more she can go after.

She is possibly not even local to Boston, she might roam various cities under a few dozen different profiles, so putting the word out to Boston brothers wouldn't likely have little effect. She might not even be a she. Or if she did produce a female voice over a phone, it could be her boyfriend behind the scam.

The only effective strategy against scam behavior is to stick to the golden rule. If we could get all SDs to do this, scammers would go away.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2969798]Stripper takeout hunting is one of my favorite pastimes, because I like the certainty of seeing what I'll be getting, and the uncertainty of knowing whether I can talk her into leaving the club with me.[/QUOTE]YES. The thrill of the hunt is so much more exciting when done live, especially when the target is taking her clothes off for you and rubbing naked all over you in a private room.You get a very good look at the merchandise before you decide to buy.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2969798]Although I wouldn't say stripper hunting is easy, depends on what you're going for and where. In certain cities, and / or hole in the wall type clubs, yes. Some clubs more or less operate like stealth brothels anyway. But my preference is for hunting in the most upscale clubs where the girls are already making a few hundred per night minimum, and they aren't going to give up that kind of income and go home with you (not to mention risking getting fired) unless you've gotten them sufficiently interested in the sex itself. One of the "perfect storm" balances is when you're lucky enough to find a traveling stripper working at an upscale club -- higher quality pussy, but she doesn't have the fear of losing a long-standing job or source of income so she's likely to be more adventurous. Sometimes they just want a fuck buddy when they are dancing in a particular city to show them around or hang out with..[/QUOTE]We all have different preferences. That's what makes the world go 'round. I prefer hole in the wall clubs. You can find some gems there. They don't make a lot of money so it is relatively easy to convince them to take the action to a hotel. The negotiation afterward for regular gigs is also a lot easier than with upscale strippers, and, if you are selective, you can find some very attractive meat at a low cost per "pound. " .

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2969798]I would say overall my cost per fuck with strippers might be about the same or perhaps even lower than with SBs. [/QUOTE]My experience precisely.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2969798]Buying them out of the club can be expensive but schedule follow up dates on their night off. If they like you they'll hang out just for fun, sometimes even buy you the drinks. Girls in upscale clubs can get $300+ in a single VIP room fleece job session and turn down random offers for $1 k+ to fuck guys outside the club pretty much every day of the week. Some of them have surprisingly affluent / self-funded lifestyles, so they have to really want to fuck you to do it for a couple of hundred, it's more or less just to compensate them for the income they are going to lose by not staying at the club.[/QUOTE]This is one of the reasons I prefer the "choice" strippers in lower scale clubs. I like the challenge but I don't like the challenge to be too difficult or expensive. Just call me a value shopper for SBs.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2969807]If you follow a few basic rules that get discussed in this thread, you won't need to discuss individual girls to avoid scams. By just following the golden rule of Fuck First Pay Later (which implies never, ever advancing payment), you would have avoided this one, whether or not you colluded with other SDs. Plus by showing her she can get away with it, you've only increased the chances that she'll try it again with someone else, or maybe she'll hit you up again with fake pics under a different profile. No matter how many SDs you warn, there will always be more she can go after.

She is possibly not even local to Boston, she might roam various cities under a few dozen different profiles, so putting the word out to Boston brothers wouldn't likely have little effect. She might not even be a she. Or if she did produce a female voice over a phone, it could be her boyfriend behind the scam.

The only effective strategy against scam behavior is to stick to the golden rule. If we could get all SDs to do this, scammers would go away.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with JeezLizard and I should have avoid that. Just $4 so thought she should not be scamming though I have suspicion. Thanks again for all the information.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2969807]If you follow a few basic rules that get discussed in this thread, you won't need to discuss individual girls to avoid scams. By just following the golden rule of Fuck First Pay Later (which implies never, ever advancing payment), you would have avoided this one, whether or not you colluded with other SDs. Plus by showing her she can get away with it, you've only increased the chances that she'll try it again with someone else, or maybe she'll hit you up again with fake pics under a different profile. No matter how many SDs you warn, there will always be more she can go after.

She is possibly not even local to Boston, she might roam various cities under a few dozen different profiles, so putting the word out to Boston brothers wouldn't likely have little effect. She might not even be a she. Or if she did produce a female voice over a phone, it could be her boyfriend behind the scam.

The only effective strategy against scam behavior is to stick to the golden rule. If we could get all SDs to do this, scammers would go away.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2969565]Sorry to say it was a total scam. She was unlikely to meet you. NEVER provide cash before a meet. Either arrange an Uber, or taxi if they can't get to you and you're certain they're real.

The key to remember is that there are plenty of SB's out there. If one starts this sort of game, then move on to the next and don't let it bother you.[/QUOTE]Hi BikeRider. Thanks a lot for the suggestion and encouragement. Basic thumb rule, no money before f*.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;2969492]If you do get someone to start a thread in Boston make sure you guys post links to the profiles. See the Cincinnati and Knoxville threads as an example.[/QUOTE]Sure sir. I will do that.