The Rat Trap

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[QUOTE=Grain56;5701855]Unwad your panites dude, the STP game is and always has been a JOKE. It doesn't exist in real life, it's a made up game to point out some of the crazy pics some of these girls post. If it ever coincidentally matches to reality, that's just a bonus to the Forum Members. Someone seeing one of these guys in the pics possibly standing outside the Hotel when they show up to meet her has happend before. How do you truly KNOW she isn't represented in some way? Many of the girls are defended by people in saying that they aren't connected to a handler or aren't on drugs. Guess what? Many of the Providers are and many of them deal with both. It's a part of the life. You've been around a while, you know better that what I am saying is accurate.

Did you not read the first paragraph of my post where I STARTED OFF mentioning that I didn't want to take away from Alex becuase she has is a great provider and has a mostly solid reputation? Too many White Knighters want to be like Admiral Boom in Mary Poppins and "jump into action" when they sence something off kilter and they think "their" girl is being dis'ed. BOOM! The fact that you finally "had" to post in the Rat Trap to defend her, only confirms my previous sentence. Luckily when you previously HAD to step up and defend her 18 months ago, it wasn't in the Rat Trap. BOOM!

Also, how do you know I have never met with her? I see between 2 to 4 providers a week in most weeks I do not post about every one of them. If a girl is mentioned over and over in here or I have seen her multiple times, I never mention it unless something out of the ordinary happens or I want to give a shout out. Alex has been around for years and her lack of time-management was always a huge issue is what I will say.

I am surprised that Alex being mentioned for posting a couple dudes in her pics is actually your main concen?

I figured you'd be more defensive in trying to remove yourself in being linked up in the Connect the Dots game that I mentioned in my original post.

"Connect the Dots, La, La, La, La, La" - Pee Wee Herman.

Grain 56.[/QUOTE]I know she hasn't seen you because I talk to her all the time and hangout with her sometimes and we talked about your recent stp post about her. I talk to and hangout with several popular girls, hell I even lived with a few popular girls. You usually like the bottom of the barrel looking girls in the numbers streets. I'm not going back and forth, I'm to busy with both of my jobs and fucking sexy hookers.

What kinda simp monger talks to wg's about other mongers they're seeing? Grow up! Are you serious? This mongering shits not that serious fellas, unless the only pussy you can scoop is paid pussy. Then I see why you're all caught up. Mongering is a hobby and not a lifestyle. Relax dude and take that great American philosopher, Snoop Dog's, advice, " I don't love them ho's!".

Stay safe out there and happy hunting.

NC HUNTER.

[QUOTE=ChrisB642;5702648]I know she hasn't seen you because I talk to her all the time and hangout with her sometimes and we talked about your recent stp post about her. I talk to and hangout with several popular girls, hell I even lived with a few popular girls. You usually like the bottom of the barrel looking girls in the numbers streets. I'm not going back and forth, I'm to busy with both of my jobs and fucking sexy hookers.[/QUOTE]Oh, so you talk to her all the time and even "talked" about my post with her? I can see how THAT makes you an expert on who I have and haven't seen over the past 20 years. Really dude? Unless you are with her 24/7/365 you can't possibly know who she has or hasn't seen over the years. Since she's been around for years, I doubt she even knows who she has or hasn't been with over the years.

Since you are quite the expert on her and hang out with her constantly, I guess that you were with her when the dude was kissing her feet in her pics in her ad. You know, the one that set you off. Maybe you were hiding in the closet and taking the pics while working on one of your many jobs? Maybe in that same closet you were also hiding behind one of your multiple Forum monikers? The Connect the Dot reference in my original post must have hit a little too close to home for you? That explains your excessive chaffing butt hurt attitude more so than the STP comment on your best friend.

Living with WG's and having a previous "Stable of Popular Stars" doesn't make you an expert on me either, it just makes you a sad, sad shell of a person. Most of us can separate ourselves from the world of the WG, we don't need them under foot day and night like little poodle puppy dogs so that we can feel important or so that they can be led to think that we hung the moon. Plus, I know some of the "popular" top notch (LOL) girls you lived with and I can say with strong conviction that you don't necessarily have the proudest bragging rights on the girls you see either.

Most men don't feel the need to bottle feed a H or C addict to make ourselves have purpose in our lives. Plus what kind of man "lives" with a WG? Most WGs don't even have a permanent place to live, yet you admittedly lived with several. You must love staying in low to mid-level hotels and extended stays and moving around a lot. You think you'd have let them live with you at your own house instead, that is if you were truly trying to save a soul from the Business and not living with them to only exacerbate their issues.

Your White Knighting is over the top. A joke (a fairly mild, lame joke at that) is made over a WG and, BOOM! You flip your wig over it. It sounds more like you have a dangerous obsession with the girl.

Grain 56.

[QUOTE=Grain56;5702848]Oh, so you talk to her all the time and even "talked" about my post with her? I can see how THAT makes you an expert on who I have and haven't seen over the past 20 years. Really dude? Unless you are with her 24/7/365 you can't possibly know who she has or hasn't seen over the years. Since she's been around for years, I doubt she even knows who she has or hasn't been with over the years.

Since you are quite the expert on her and hang out with her constantly, I guess that you were with her when the dude was kissing her feet in her pics in her ad. You know, the one that set you off. Maybe you were hiding in the closet and taking the pics while working on one of your many jobs? Maybe in that same closet you were also hiding behind one of your multiple Forum monikers? The Connect the Dot reference in my original post must have hit a little too close to home for you? That explains your excessive chaffing butt hurt attitude more so than the STP comment on your best friend.

Living with WG's and having a previous "Stable of Popular Stars" doesn't make you an expert on me either, it just makes you a sad, sad shell of a person. Most of us can separate ourselves from the world of the WG, we don't need them under foot day and night like little poodle puppy dogs so that we can feel important or so that they can be led to think that we hung the moon. Plus, I know some of the "popular" top notch (LOL) girls you lived with and I can say with strong conviction that you don't necessarily have the proudest bragging rights on the girls you see either.[/QUOTE]Other dude must be butt hurt about something I said because my post was directed at one person and now he has to put his 2 cents in. FYI she ask me about him and the post then that's when I read it after her and I decided on my own to respond to someone who always got something negative to say about alot of girls who are now living in hotels. Alot of dudes are naive and think the girls don't read the forum. I'm just basically saying she doesn't have a pimp and that she is very independent, you don't have to get mad at me for talking about people with no life on here or maybe you date the same bottom of the barrel chicks. Unfortunately not everyone has the luxury of owning a home so I stay in hotels until I can improve my credit, lots of people stay in hotels. I don't see the problem with hanging out with these girls also alot of guys do it openly or secretly. I know some guys that "simp" way harder than me and they care for them financially without even fucking them. I rather mess with the girls I mess with anytime then that nasty thing in the wheelchair. Dating that one legged Jenny is something I would never tell anyone and take to the grave with me. I wouldn't touch her with your dick, I rather go hump an ant mound or jerk off with metal gloves before I pick her up.

[QUOTE=ChrisB642;5703412]Other dude must be butt hurt about something I said because my post was directed at one person and now he has to put his 2 cents in. FYI she ask me about him and the post then that's when I read it after her and I decided on my own to respond to someone who always got something negative to say about alot of girls who are now living in hotels. Alot of dudes are naive and think the girls don't read the forum. I'm just basically saying she doesn't have a pimp and that she is very independent, you don't have to get mad at me for talking about people with no life on here or maybe you date the same bottom of the barrel chicks. Unfortunately not everyone has the luxury of owning a home so I stay in hotels until I can improve my credit, lots of people stay in hotels. I don't see the problem with hanging out with these girls also alot of guys do it openly or secretly. I know some guys that "simp" way harder than me and they care for them financially without even fucking them. I rather mess with the girls I mess with anytime then that nasty thing in the wheelchair. Dating that one legged Jenny is something I would never tell anyone and take to the grave with me. I wouldn't touch her with your dick, I rather go hump an ant mound or jerk off with metal gloves before I pick her up.[/QUOTE]I don't know anyone butt-hurt but you, so I don't know who else is butt-hurt as you mention. Also, I don't know who you are talking about the person that talks negatively about girls just because they live in hotels. Hell, I usually spend anywhere from 75 to 100 nights in Hotels annually and in some years, I have spent as many as 150+ nights in Hotels. Personally, I would only talk bad about a girl that regularly provides piss poor performance, rips off mongers, ghosts people continually, suffers from a severe case of GPS or generally is an all-around bad / dangerous person. Doesn't matter where they live.

I have never said a single bad thing about Alex. That's where you are fueling some imaginary fire. She's generally a good date. If you read my post, I clarified that in the first paragraph I wrote so that glommer-on'ers don't get butt-hurt thinking I was offending a "sacred" provider. Also, no one I am aware of is suggesting that girls don't read the Forum and I am not sure of the relevance of your comment. That's why it's here, to read.

As far as you only having negative things to say about the girls I might see, usually those that criticize others in such generalized groups are usually defending thier own choices more so than someone elses. Your comment reminds of a a recently "Smashed" Member that was always getting so easily butt hurt. He used to whip out the "you only see ugly- trashy girls" comment quicker than they could stick out their tongue.

Plus in many cases, we ALL generally see the same girls. Some just see tham at different stages in their Provider Time-Line. Today's Treasure is Tomorrow's Trash and Vice-Versa. It just depends where on the history scale you jump in. LOL.

You are welcome to your opinions, just as I am.

Grain 56.

[QUOTE=Booms;5704791]I'm not too sure you understand how STD tests work. They don't actually detect the virus, they detect the antibodies your body produces. Certain STDs like HIV would not show up for about three months. You need to get yourself tested in April to be sure.[/QUOTE]Yup. There's a low 1 in 2000 chance of getting HIV for men from vaginally sex alone but I wouldn't risk it no matter how tempting. Any time I read about some girl doing bare I write her off my list.

[QUOTE=AlexKx93;5705862]Yup. There's a low 1 in 2000 chance of getting HIV for men from vaginally sex alone but I wouldn't risk it no matter how tempting. Any time I read about some girl doing bare I write her off my list.[/QUOTE]The most recent and considered the best study showed a 1 in 1250 chance of transmission. Too scary odds for me to play around. Also, supposed to be an even slimmer chance of transmitting an std from a BBBJ, however that's exactly what happened to me from a BBBJ at an AMP. No I will not say where since I cannot provide scientific proof to a medical certainty as to the origin, but the data is strong enough for me to know where I picked it up… lol. However, after a trip to an AMP wherein I received an amazing BBBJ followed by completely covered full service, I needed serious antibiotics and was very miserable for a couple weeks. Thank goodness it was treatable, but was miserable. My doc explained most of the common std / sti we think of can live in the throat and are commonly passed on that way. Take it for what it's worth, ask your own doctor, do your own research, know the risks, but my doc lectured me getting an std from an unprotected blow job is even more common that from unprotected intercourse.

That whole experience was enough for me to never do anything in this hobby unprotected again. Again, we all have to access our own comfort level, willingness to take risks, and decide but for me it's a no brainer and just not worth it.

Be smart and stay safe!

I would personally ask your doctor for the research information supporting his claim. I believe he was trying scare tactics on you.

Stay safe and have fun!

[QUOTE=MrCraftyHands;5706085]The most recent and considered the best study showed a 1 in 1250 chance of transmission. Too scary odds for me to play around. Also, supposed to be an even slimmer chance of transmitting an std from a BBBJ, however that's exactly what happened to me from a BBBJ at an AMP. No I will not say where since I cannot provide scientific proof to a medical certainty as to the origin, but the data is strong enough for me to know where I picked it up lol. However, after a trip to an AMP wherein I received an amazing BBBJ followed by completely covered full service, I needed serious antibiotics and was very miserable for a couple weeks. Thank goodness it was treatable, but was miserable. My doc explained most of the common std / sti we think of can live in the throat and are commonly passed on that way. Take it for what it's worth, ask your own doctor, do your own research, know the risks, but my doc lectured me getting an std from an unprotected blow job is even more common that from unprotected intercourse.

That whole experience was enough for me to never do anything in this hobby unprotected again. Again, we all have to access our own comfort level, willingness to take risks, and decide but for me it's a no brainer and just not worth it.

Be smart and stay safe![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bjceb;5706423]I would personally ask your doctor for the research information supporting his claim. I believe he was trying scare tactics on you.

Stay safe and have fun![/QUOTE]Thank you for looking out for me! 🙂 Pretty certain my doc doesn't use scare tactics though. He is a no nonsense former military doc in his 80's who served as a doc in Vietnam and elsewhere and is one of the most no nonsense straightforward folks I know who has treated my family for years. None of that should be taken as an effort to convince you of anything, that’s why I trust him. Lol

You have to ask your own doc and do your own research to decide what risks your comfortable with. I made the post I did only for those who want to dig deeper. For those who have no desire I'm just as good with that. For me it's not worth it and the scientific fact that you can easily contract many of the common std / stis
we think of from an unprotected blow job when the giver has it present in the throat is not really debatable. You don't have to justify your risk taking to me or anyone. I support your freedom 100 percent. My post was just an FYI for anyone who didn't know and who wants to know. That's it.

Fun and safety for all of us in 2022!

[QUOTE=MrCraftyHands;5706690]Thank you for looking out for me! 🙂 Pretty certain my doc doesn't use scare tactics though. He is a no nonsense former military doc in his 80's who served as a doc in Vietnam and elsewhere and is one of the most no nonsense straightforward folks I know who has treated my family for years. None of that should be taken as an effort to convince you of anything. You have to ask your own doc and do your own research to decide what risks your comfortable with. I made the post I did only for those who want to dig deeper. For those who have no desire I'm just as good with that. For me it's not worth it and the scientific fact that you can easily contract many of the common std / stis
we think of from an unprotected blow job when the giver has it present in the throat is not really debatable. You don't have to justify your risk taking to me or anyone. I support your freedom 100 percent. My post was just an FYI for anyone who didn't know and who wants to know. That's it.

Fun and safety for all of us in 2022![/QUOTE]As someone who is wanting to try out an AMP in the US, this is very helpful / beneficial. I was really tempted to try a BBBJCIM but would rather stay safe and do absolute best to minimize risks. Nothing is truly 100% safe unless of course abstinence.

Now I'm just wondering if kissing / DFK is worth it because you never know with that either.

All my reading tells me the BBBJ is the safest unprotected sex you can have. Unless she has an open sore in the area and you have an open sore on Mr Johnson. Herpes can transmit under those conditions.

HiV lives and grows best in a bacterial environment, hmm, the butt. Vagina not so much but it's been known to occur. Statistically low. Always protect going greek, always. Even if you don't get hiv, you're going to get a UTi just because.

Finally, I've got the occasional throat infection just going down on a girlfriend, so that snatch carries lots of bacterial microbes can F you up.

So I guess it could go in reverse, where you get the UTi from the BBBJ if her throat is infected.

I cover everything but I'm not giving up the BBBJ.

For me, worth the low stat risk I guess.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=MrCraftyHands;5706085]The most recent and considered the best study showed a 1 in 1250 chance of transmission. Too scary odds for me to play around. Also, supposed to be an even slimmer chance of transmitting an std from a BBBJ, however that's exactly what happened to me from a BBBJ at an AMP. No I will not say where since I cannot provide scientific proof to a medical certainty as to the origin, but the data is strong enough for me to know where I picked it up lol. However, after a trip to an AMP wherein I received an amazing BBBJ followed by completely covered full service, I needed serious antibiotics and was very miserable for a couple weeks. Thank goodness it was treatable, but was miserable. My doc explained most of the common std / sti we think of can live in the throat and are commonly passed on that way. Take it for what it's worth, ask your own doctor, do your own research, know the risks, but my doc lectured me getting an std from an unprotected blow job is even more common that from unprotected intercourse.

That whole experience was enough for me to never do anything in this hobby unprotected again. Again, we all have to access our own comfort level, willingness to take risks, and decide but for me it's a no brainer and just not worth it.

Be smart and stay safe![/QUOTE]So you're fairly certain where you got the STI and-.

A. You think it's funny that you know where you got it.

B. You think it's funny that you're not telling anyone.

So far all the mongers on this board have been pretty cool but dude you're not! If I picked up an STI from an AMP, Escort, UTR, etc I would be letting everyone on the forum know. You guys don't know me and I have nothing to hide. I'd rather risk a little humiliation than put others at risk knowing that there's a provider out there that could be a risk. Dude, I seriously don't know how you sleep at night knowing that you put others at risk like that. I know I couldn't sleep with that on my shoulders. Come on, let's have some common sense and courtesy here.

[QUOTE=HOD415;5706745]So you're fairly certain where you got the STI and-.

A. You think it's funny that you know where you got it.

B. You think it's funny that you're not telling anyone.

So far all the mongers on this board have been pretty cool but dude you're not! If I picked up an STI from an AMP, Escort, UTR, etc I would be letting everyone on the forum know. You guys don't know me and I have nothing to hide. I'd rather risk a little humiliation than put others at risk knowing that there's a provider out there that could be a risk. Dude, I seriously don't know how you sleep at night knowing that you put others at risk like that. I know I couldn't sleep with that on my shoulders. Come on, let's have some common sense and courtesy here.[/QUOTE]It's against forum rules to post std accusationts without documentation to prove the infection. If you try posting where you got something without providing proof your post will be deleted and you will be put on moderation. He's just following the forum rules. You can always ask by way of a PM though.

[blue]We do that because 99.999999% of the STD reports are bullshit revenge posts.

A2[/blue]

[QUOTE=HOD415;5706745]So you're fairly certain where you got the STI and-.

A. You think it's funny that you know where you got it.

B. You think it's funny that you're not telling anyone.

So far all the mongers on this board have been pretty cool but dude you're not! If I picked up an STI from an AMP, Escort, UTR, etc I would be letting everyone on the forum know. You guys don't know me and I have nothing to hide. I'd rather risk a little humiliation than put others at risk knowing that there's a provider out there that could be a risk. Dude, I seriously don't know how you sleep at night knowing that you put others at risk like that. I know I couldn't sleep with that on my shoulders. Come on, let's have some common sense and courtesy here.[/QUOTE]Your an idiot! I know exactly which AMP I got it from, and the crap wasn't funny. However, as has been stated clearly by mods here posting that info is not permitted. Take it up with them. Me knowing personally is not a green light to make such an accusation public, and again is absolutely not allowed in order to protect the integrity of the forum. So you can save your ridiculous and phony outrage for someone else.

I posted as an FYI for those that didnt realize the real risk associated with bbbj because I was honestly shocked when it happened to me. Everyone has to assess their own comfort level and act accordingly. Period.