Strip Club Reports

[QUOTE=JMAbacus;6047014]Well, I knew several ladies that escorted half the time and stripped at Follies. It seemed common. I don't have my finger on the pulse of Vivide like some, but for the younger AA ladies they tend to be more conservative as a group in comparison to the wild west days of Follies. Might be related a bit to Covid, the culture of Vivid versus Follies, or whatever. On my first couple outings to Follies I asked 10 AA ladies if they would consider seeing me outside the club. I had yes, hell yes, absolutely, when did you have in mind, etc. I had only one lady tell me that she had done it before but could not any longer as she was engaged. This was on the first meet.

If I opened with that same question at Vivide (I don't) the interest level would be much less. I hear things like I try to keep my club business and OTC or personal life separated. I work and leave it at the club.

My perception is the younger AA ladies are more conservative than the Latinas and white women at Vivide. That is based on VIP activity. Even though I don't really do it I ask about VIP with the ladies I dance. For the young AA types it is less than 50%. I would guess more like 90% for the white women that pop in and out. That's my limited experience. These hard core local regulars can always step in and correct me or put a finer detail on how these club dynamics work.[/QUOTE]I've just had dances at Vlive. I speak some Spanish but I can tell you quite a few of the Latinas in there do not speak a word of English. It's fine with dances and small talk but getting into complex social based negotiating is challenging. I think if you are a gringo fluent in Spanish it goes a long way there.

[QUOTE=JMAbacus;6047014]Well, I knew several ladies that escorted half the time and stripped at Follies. It seemed common. I don't have my finger on the pulse of Vivide like some, but for the younger AA ladies they tend to be more conservative as a group in comparison to the wild west days of Follies. Might be related a bit to Covid, the culture of Vivid versus Follies, or whatever. On my first couple outings to Follies I asked 10 AA ladies if they would consider seeing me outside the club. I had yes, hell yes, absolutely, when did you have in mind, etc. I had only one lady tell me that she had done it before but could not any longer as she was engaged. This was on the first meet.

If I opened with that same question at Vivide (I don't) the interest level would be much less. I hear things like I try to keep my club business and OTC or personal life separated. I work and leave it at the club.

My perception is the younger AA ladies are more conservative than the Latinas and white women at Vivide. That is based on VIP activity. Even though I don't really do it I ask about VIP with the ladies I dance. For the young AA types it is less than 50%. I would guess more like 90% for the white women that pop in and out. That's my limited experience. These hard core local regulars can always step in and correct me or put a finer detail on how these club dynamics work.[/QUOTE]The young AA's are much more worried about there reputations. Stripping is not sex work in their culture. In addition, they likely have friends that visit the club and they don't want to have the reputation of a ho. I know it doesn't make sense, but try and understand the dynamics at play. When you see the make it rain, air dance receiving types having a good time, they're usually not interested in buying pussy. They think there game will get them down to fuck, whereas we just accept things as they are, a woman wanting money to fuck. Follies had an accepted ho culture for the day shift. There was no shame in selling pussy if you worked day shift at follies because everyone did the same. It was very rare, as you mentioned, to find someone not down to fuck for a couple hundred.

VIVIDE doesn't include the same pervasive culture of hoeing. Most of the black dancers at VIVIDE have heard of the follies name, but never worked there. There friends go to VIvIDE, so they can't be known as a ho. A customer with a trick reputation can be enough to fuckover a well built reputation. As you stated, any are down to sell some pussy, but you must go about it thr right way, AND, have the right standing at the club, I. E not be known as a trick.

The above is just a long way to say that you're right. Young black chicks care more about there reputation than the couple of hundred were willing to give them for extras. It was that way with our faves at strokers, and is also that way at vivide.

[QUOTE=NewDude;6048496]The young AA's are much more worried about there reputations. Stripping is not sex work in their culture. In addition, they likely have friends that visit the club and they don't want to have the reputation of a ho. I know it doesn't make sense, but try and understand the dynamics at play. When you see the make it rain, air dance receiving types having a good time, they're usually not interested in buying pussy. They think there game will get them down to fuck, whereas we just accept things as they are, a woman wanting money to fuck. Follies had an accepted ho culture for the day shift. There was no shame in selling pussy if you worked day shift at follies because everyone did the same. It was very rare, as you mentioned, to find someone not down to fuck for a couple hundred.

VIVIDE doesn't include the same pervasive culture of hoeing. Most of the black dancers at VIVIDE have heard of the follies name, but never worked there. There friends go to VIvIDE, so they can't be known as a ho. A customer with a trick reputation can be enough to fuckover a well built reputation. As you stated, any are down to sell some pussy, but you must go about it thr right way, AND, have the right standing at the club, I. E not be known as a trick.

The above is just a long way to say that you're right. Young black chicks care more about there reputation than the couple of hundred were willing to give them for extras. It was that way with our faves at strokers, and is also that way at vivide.[/QUOTE]"Stripping is not sex work in their culture. In addition, they likely have friends that visit the club and they don't want to have the reputation of a ho. " 100% for most AA dancers in a $10 club and Blue Flame. They also understand that the dream of getting the pussy is much more lucrative than selling the pussy. But like you said if you play it right then you can convince them into giving it up, but that also requires time and possibly more money than the $200-$300 white girl or latina you could get same day.

One of the dancers I am friendly with said that the owners put cameras up and found f'ing going on in the halls upstairs and other places and threatened to shut it down. So any such activities are strictly behind the black curtains. That is supposedly why the curtains went upstairs as I used to get some DO titty fucking upstairs.

[QUOTE=NewDude;6048496]The young AA's are much more worried about there reputations. Stripping is not sex work in their culture. In addition, they likely have friends that visit the club and they don't want to have the reputation of a ho. I know it doesn't make sense, but try and understand the dynamics at play. When you see the make it rain, air dance receiving types having a good time, they're usually not interested in buying pussy. They think there game will get them down to fuck, whereas we just accept things as they are, a woman wanting money to fuck. Follies had an accepted ho culture for the day shift. There was no shame in selling pussy if you worked day shift at follies because everyone did the same. It was very rare, as you mentioned, to find someone not down to fuck for a couple hundred.

VIVIDE doesn't include the same pervasive culture of hoeing. Most of the black dancers at VIVIDE have heard of the follies name, but never worked there. There friends go to VIvIDE, so they can't be known as a ho. A customer with a trick reputation can be enough to fuckover a well built reputation. As you stated, any are down to sell some pussy, but you must go about it thr right way, AND, have the right standing at the club, I. E not be known as a trick.

The above is just a long way to say that you're right. Young black chicks care more about there reputation than the couple of hundred were willing to give them for extras. It was that way with our faves at strokers, and is also that way at vivide.[/QUOTE]

Another night at TT. Slower on weeknights than weekends, which I prefer. Easier to / get approached and less big spenders & regulars lock down the better talent. 50/50 mix of Latinas and white girls. Spread of mostly 7's, some 6's and 8's. Early on I got approached by 1 of my couple Latina's I've had VIP action, she got right to the VIP offer. Told her to give me 20-30 min. I wanted to scope the place out & try out the tips from this forum. My other VIP Latina was working another guy, which was fine since I still wanted to try a girl in a different friend group. Saw 1 of the porn star enhanced white girls, 9 body with enhanced T&A. Remembering advice, I saw she only air danced with another customer and kept pulling his hands off her. No personality or enthusiasm, pass. This other enhanced blonde caught my eye, like a tall blonde Kylie Jenner & definitely acts the same mannerisms. She never pole dances but will lap dance at bar and floor, grinding, going topless, encouraging groping. So I was ready to test her with 2 lap dances. As I work my way over, she gets snagged by another guy at the bar. Darn, but after seeing her good dance I figured she's still a good prospect. Time passes, she disappears and walks the floor circuit. I pursue and she gets pulled by another booth for another round of topless grinding and groping. I cut my losses and moved back to another Latina for VIP. She was aggressive with the upsell and I caved partially for added CBJ for $300 total to her for 30 min. Shouldn't have given in, but it was good to build a rapport & exchanged contact info. TT still remains my go to for location and talent, the club is laidback and I'm getting friendly with staff. I'm going to try Vlive this Sat afternoon as I've heard they have a similar talent pool. Hoping a fresh environment can help me practice at going up to the hottest ones.

[QUOTE=JMAbacus;6047014]Well, I knew several ladies that escorted half the time and stripped at Follies. It seemed common. I don't have my finger on the pulse of Vivide like some, but for the younger AA ladies they tend to be more conservative...

...I hear things like I try to keep my club business and OTC or personal life separated. I work and leave it at the club.

My perception is the younger AA ladies are more conservative than the Latinas and white women at Vivide. That is based on VIP activity. Even though I don't really do it I ask about VIP with the ladies I dance. For the young AA types it is less than 50%...[/QUOTE]Including college, I've been living in ATL for 23 years. I've been engaged or married 7 of those 23 years. During the remaining 16 years, I have had 3 exclusive stripper girlfriends and dated about 9 or 10 more (fucking, some dates, etc but no official title).

I write all that to note that if a girls tells you she doesn't offer OTC, you have a decent chance of getting some long-term FREE vagina off her. Now, there is the possibility that she is so repulsed by you that there's not a price where she's willing to fuck you but all strippers have a price for the right person.

Strippers tell you no on OTC for three reasons: 1) As mentioned earlier, they're repulsed by you, and there isn't a price where she'd fuck you, 2) You don't tip enough to meet their quote and she doesn't want the "who does she think she is to charge $2000 for sex," girl and 3) She can envision herself dating or fucking with you.

I've met all the strippers I dated the same way. I was a regular. Being a regular, we sit and chat before and after the dances. That often leads to conversations on what they do on their off days. Eventually their favorite spots come up and I'll offer to take them there. Those turn into further dates which then leads to exclusive relationships or fuck friends.

Next thing, most of the guys a stripper will ever date will be guys she met at the club. This isn't theory. All of the strippers I've dated said it's easier as guys they meet at the club know and accept their lifestyle. They don't want to have that awkward "so what do you do?" conversation with a civilian. Also, in the back of a civilians mind, they're always asking themselves, "did she or is she fucking customers. " Lastly, they know the amount of discretionary income we have makes them suitable to that social lifestyle. They are not taking time to deal with a potentially frugal dude when there's guys at the club who drop anywhere from $250-$1 at the club on a weekly basis. Since they're likely to meet they're next bf at the club, they don't want to give off the impression that they fuck for money.

I say this to say, never believe the no OTC lie and if you hear that line, just know you have a 33% chance of fucking a stripper for free.

[QUOTE=SixInchPimp;6050567]Including college, I've been living in ATL for 23 years. I've been engaged or married 7 of those 23 years. During the remaining 16 years, I have had 3 exclusive stripper girlfriends and dated about 9 or 10 more (fucking, some dates, etc but no official title).

I write all that to note that if a girls tells you she doesn't offer OTC, you have a decent chance of getting some long-term FREE vagina off her. Now, there is the possibility that she is so repulsed by you that there's not a price where she's willing to fuck you but all strippers have a price for the right person.

Strippers tell you no on OTC for three reasons: 1) As mentioned earlier, they're repulsed by you, and there isn't a price where she'd fuck you, 2) You don't tip enough to meet their quote and she doesn't want the "who does she think she is to charge $2000 for sex," girl and 3) She can envision herself dating or fucking with you.

I've met all the strippers I dated the same way. I was a regular. Being a regular, we sit and chat before and after the dances. That often leads to conversations on what they do on their off days. Eventually their favorite spots come up and I'll offer to take them there. Those turn into further dates which then leads to exclusive relationships or fuck friends..[/QUOTE]Fine,

Quality report. The same can be same for the majority of providers, whether they're strippers or not. What most guys fail to realize is to focus on balance and basic common sense.

Guys: If that's what the provider is doing, why aren't you doing it at a higher lever so you can fuck her pussy?

[QUOTE=SixInchPimp;6050567]Including college, I've been living in ATL for 23 years. I've been engaged or married 7 of those 23 years. During the remaining 16 years, I have had 3 exclusive stripper girlfriends and dated about 9 or 10 more (fucking, some dates, etc but no official title).

I write all that to note that if a girls tells you she doesn't offer OTC, you have a decent chance of getting some long-term FREE vagina off her. Now, there is the possibility that she is so repulsed by you that there's not a price where she's willing to fuck you but all strippers have a price for the right person.

Strippers tell you no on OTC for three reasons: 1) As mentioned earlier, they're repulsed by you, and there isn't a price where she'd fuck you, 2) You don't tip enough to meet their quote and she doesn't want the "who does she think she is to charge $2000 for sex," girl and 3) She can envision herself dating or fucking with you.

I've met all the strippers I dated the same way. I was a regular. Being a regular, we sit and chat before and after the dances. That often leads to conversations on what they do on their off days. Eventually their favorite spots come up and I'll offer to take them there. Those turn into further dates which then leads to exclusive relationships or fuck friends.

Next thing, most of the guys a stripper will ever date will be guys she met at the club. This isn't theory. All of the strippers I've dated said it's easier as guys they meet at the club know and accept their lifestyle. They don't want to have that awkward "so what do you do?" conversation with a civilian. Also, in the back of a civilians mind, they're always asking themselves, "did she or is she fucking customers. " Lastly, they know the amount of discretionary income we have makes them suitable to that social lifestyle. They are not taking time to deal with a potentially frugal dude when there's guys at the club who drop anywhere from $250-$1 at the club on a weekly basis. Since they're likely to meet they're next bf at the club, they don't want to give off the impression that they fuck for money.

I say this to say, never believe the no OTC lie and if you hear that line, just know you have a 33% chance of fucking a stripper for free.[/QUOTE]More like a 25% chance. She could already have a boyfriend. Like you said, you've dated a dancer exclusively before. And idk about every stripper having a price. Maybe it is true in a way, but I've offered 4 k before which was declined and ended up getting it for free months down the road. Some dancers really don't have a price or it is beyond what someone is willing to pay. Dancers that come to work after 11 pm-12 certainly aren't fucking OTC at a reasonable price 300-800 unless they are a pro. You also mentioned dudes dropping $250-1 a week. I can certainly say OTC gets easier and it is "free" but you're paying 2 k+ a month to get to that point.

I personally do not like OTC extras from clubs I frequent because it ruins the overall experience. Much rather go on Eros for that itch.

[QUOTE=SixInchPimp;6050567]Including college, I've been living in ATL for 23 years. I've been engaged or married 7 of those 23 years. During the remaining 16 years, I have had 3 exclusive stripper girlfriends and dated about 9 or 10 more (fucking, some dates, etc but no official title).

I write all that to note that if a girls tells you she doesn't offer OTC, you have a decent chance of getting some long-term FREE vagina off her. Now, there is the possibility that she is so repulsed by you that there's not a price where she's willing to fuck you but all strippers have a price for the right person.

Strippers tell you no on OTC for three reasons: 1) As mentioned earlier, they're repulsed by you, and there isn't a price where she'd fuck you, 2) You don't tip enough to meet their quote and she doesn't want the "who does she think she is to charge $2000 for sex," girl and 3) She can envision herself dating or fucking with you.

I've met all the strippers I dated the same way. I was a regular. Being a regular, we sit and chat before and after the dances. That often leads to conversations on what they do on their off days. Eventually their favorite spots come up and I'll offer to take them there. Those turn into further dates which then leads to exclusive relationships or fuck friends.

Next thing, most of the guys a stripper will ever date will be guys she met at the club. This isn't theory. All of the strippers I've dated said it's easier as guys they meet at the club know and accept their lifestyle. They don't want to have that awkward "so what do you do?" conversation with a civilian. Also, in the back of a civilians mind, they're always asking themselves, "did she or is she fucking customers. " Lastly, they know the amount of discretionary income we have makes them suitable to that social lifestyle. They are not taking time to deal with a potentially frugal dude when there's guys at the club who drop anywhere from $250-$1 at the club on a weekly basis. Since they're likely to meet they're next bf at the club, they don't want to give off the impression that they fuck for money.

I say this to say, never believe the no OTC lie and if you hear that line, just know you have a 33% chance of fucking a stripper for free.[/QUOTE]Regarding the chicks you dated or fucked for free, where you known in the club as an extras guy, or trick in there words?

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;6048849]One of the dancers I am friendly with said that the owners put cameras up and found f'ing going on in the halls upstairs and other places and threatened to shut it down. So any such activities are strictly behind the black curtains. That is supposedly why the curtains went upstairs as I used to get some DO titty fucking upstairs.[/QUOTE]I was specifically addressing why it would seem like less AA's offer in the club than out.

[QUOTE=SixInchPimp;6046123]Since my bam from Blaze, I've been hitting up seduction day shift to see if anything pops. After about 5 trips, I realized regulars are there early 1-4 and get the girls attention. They don't waste too much time with newbies as the club is too slow to leave a regular to try some new money.

After falling through 5 or 6 times the past two weeks, Lexi (under 5 feet, chocolate, petite) comes over to offer me some dances. I say maybe. She asks why? I tell her I like DO dances. She says I can't have those but stays to chat. She asks if I get dances like that often. I tell her at other clubs and occasionally here. We chat a get her a couple of drinks ($5 well, $3 beers during day shift) and she just Chop it up.

A song she likes comes on and she asks if she can dance for me. For a non-DO dance, it was pretty decent. After the song, she asks me if it was a good dance. I tell her it was average. I tell her I've been getting DO dances for 10 years and the best regular dance will only be average for me.

She relents and says she wants to try a do dance. We do four. I slide her a 20. She says that it was fun to sneak but she won't be doing it again. I ask her why. She says because I got a little pre-cum on her. I apologize. I ask her if she minds if I put on a rubber-- which is my preference, I generally walk into the club with a rubber on but I hadn't had a whole lot of luck at seduction.

I go to the bathroom, slide a rubber on and come back. We get 8 dances before she says she's hot and wants a break so she can hit her blunt. During her break, she said that with a rubber those dances are harmless. I told her to start dancing again whenever she's ready. We end up getting about 20 more dances. About half way through those I ask her if I can point the tip on her lips. She agrees.

As soon as I point, the pussy so wet that the head is in her. She keeps dancing on the tip. A few songs late half the dick is in there. By the last couple songs she's riding me and I shoot in the rubber.

In total I spent $200 for about 25-30 dances and drinks. I got the digits and will be seeing her regularly.

Lastly, and I don't know if this condom is new but trojan has a rubber called "bareskin raw. " This the thinnest condom ever. Felt as close to raw I as I have ever felt. So much so that Lexi asked me if the rubber broke. It didn't. If you're giant, this might not be for you. As the screen name says, I'm only 6. 5 inches with not a whole lot of girth and this was really tight for even me. I recommend these rubber wholeheartedly if you want to be safe and feel that pussy!

Be safe![/QUOTE]Did Lexi have muscular arms with a very flat stomach and strong jawline. If so I danced her a few weeks ago and she too was wary of being seen as a VIP girl. It could have been BS, but I'd it's the same chick, she also has an aversion to be known as an extras girl.

[QUOTE=RondaColdSon;6051253]More like a 25% chance. She could already have a boyfriend. Like you said, you've dated a dancer exclusively before. And idk about every stripper having a price. Maybe it is true in a way, but I've offered 4 k before which was declined and ended up getting it for free months down the road. Some dancers really don't have a price or it is beyond what someone is willing to pay. Dancers that come to work after 11 pm-12 certainly aren't fucking OTC at a reasonable price 300-800 unless they are a pro. You also mentioned dudes dropping $250-1 a week. I can certainly say OTC gets easier and it is "free" but you're paying 2 k+ a month to get to that point.

I personally do not like OTC extras from clubs I frequent because it ruins the overall experience. Much rather go on Eros for that itch.[/QUOTE]I think you need to have a pretty good game to date or do OTC. My game is usually with my money and just being a nice dude which probably doesn't work for OTC and why I haven't tried it. These girls are vulnerable but still good at playing games. I dated an ex-stripper once and the sex and passion was great but the insanity was more than I could deal with.

[QUOTE=NewDude;6052001]Regarding the chicks you dated or fucked for free, where you known in the club as an extras guy, or trick in there words?[/QUOTE]Yes and no! At a place like the old Follies, you're a trick! If you set in Dick Out row at the downstairs bar at Blaze, you'll probably be deemed a trick. Other places, going to the VIP during dayshift may not necessarily mark you as a trick if you have discretion. By that, I mean, if you ask 8 girls for VIP and are seen going into VIP, you'll be marked as a trick. However, if you get DO dances or dance with a girl regularly and then hit the VIP on the low, then you can skate. I would like to note though, the girls that view you as a potential bf / fwb won't fuck with you if you do VIP a lot. I personally try to avoid VIP as my wife is relatively known in ATL so I can't risk it getting back to her that I'm often on the champagne room.

If you're known as a trick, they not going to give you free pussy when they know they can reliably knock you off for a few hundred a week.

[QUOTE=NewDude;6052002]I was specifically addressing why it would seem like less AA's offer in the club than out.[/QUOTE]Most, if not all of the AA girls in Vivide are fucking in VIP. The least likely of them will do. So on a very slow day or if bills are due or if they're stacking money for a trip, a BBL, or veneers, etc.

[QUOTE=NewDude;6052008]Did Lexi have muscular arms with a very flat stomach and strong jawline. If so I danced her a few weeks ago and she too was wary of being seen as a VIP girl. It could have been BS, but I'd it's the same chick, she also has an aversion to be known as an extras girl.[/QUOTE]That's her but there are two other dancers there of similar description minus the strong jawline.