Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

Originally Posted by CameronX [ / ViewOriginalPostNever, Imeanneverevercallthehotelinwhichsomeoneisoperatingoutofjustbecauseyouweren'tabletobustanutthatday] (sorry for the crude choice of words but that is the bottom line in this scenario). There are plenty of providers that he could have called following that failed visit who would have taken good care of him.[Letthisonego, revengeisnotthesolution, toomanyinnocentpeoplecouldbeeffectedbyyourchoiceinthematter.].

I feel his pain. CameronX that's pointing him in the right direction. Great gals like you are waiting on him to help and see He gets a great time. Time and patience solve most problems.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2073220]All that stuff for the USASG is coming. We aren't going to be fucking around with the free part, there will always be a free membership with pretty much the same features available now. We want to develop more features, mobile, more robust search, maybe live regional chat, along with other stuff for a subscription level membership which would include avatars.

I'm talking to el Jeffe about putting a donation button on the forum, with one or two levels. Level one would give them a different user title like "Contributing Member" or something like that. Level two would have a different title and gets avatars.

Reviews are the lifeblood of the site so we always want the guy sitting in front of his computer to be able to do that for free, but for power users who want more functionality, we want them to be able to have it as well but developing that shit's expensive, and well, we all want to fly private someday. Imagine a trip to the actual Greek islands with Sasha and CC on a private plane. (Cue dream sequence).

Paypal will never be an option, those fucks stole our money and still have it. Maybe someday in the future there will be a USASG CCBilling, payment processor that won't penalize sites that are engaged in adult activity.

A2.[/QUOTE]The classified ads should definitely cost something, which would clean them up in terms of the number of posts and probably improve the experience for everyone. Of course, you'll have to be even more vigilant about keeping advertising out of the other forums, and that might have a cost. The one thing that might be useful to me would be a better search function, though you just come to expect a good search function to be basic functionality for a site (even if the adult sites rarely deliver this). Avatars and special titles mean nothing to me. And there's just going to be some resistance to paying -- more from having a financial account of any kind attached to a site like this than the actual money.

But, all in all, if there were some kind of one-time fee, or at least no more than annual, without an automatic rebill, that could be paid through some anonymous electronic means, then I'd pay for better search and filtering options. That latter part especially if I could find terms that would eliminate a lot of stuff that you have to wade through on the site. And not have to wait X seconds between searches and such.

Avatars for advertisers / providers that would be linked to their reviews or any commentary would be great, not unlike NR, which I find easy to navigate despite any other flaws it may have. They're the ones I could see paying extra for avatars. And I'm sure there are guys on here whose egos are stroked in such a way by the idea that it would appeal to them as well.

But, bottom line, if you actually had advertising that was both paid and moderated, that could pretty much make you heroes. The moderation would actually add value for the advertisers too, and the legit ones should be willing to pay more for it.

You might well drive BP out of business. Then all the do-gooders would shift their focus to you. And you may not care, since you have no ties to Goldman Sachs or any legitimate publishing enterprise. But once the evil eye of do-gooderism finds you, it's not always comfortable, and soon you have USA Paratroopers combing Argentina in search of your servers.

[QUOTE=SinfulDreams;2072676]A little lengthy, sorry but I want you to get all the info. I did post this on another board, but interested in feedback.

I would like your opinion on something that happened to me last week. I had a regular that wanted to set up an advanced appt. I had another provider tell me before that when it was time for the appt he didn't answer and so on, but then another one saw him and things went fine. So I kept asking if anything had changed once or twice and what location he wanted me to come to. Then the day before he asks for a duo. Okay, no problem. So I go through finding a duo partner and I do. He gives me the room number and says 9:30 PM, and I let him know we could be there earlier. He says 9:00 PM is the soonest he can be there. We go and eat, and I pull it at 8:55 PM. I text him and said we are here, so just let me know when you are ready. At 9:08 PM I sent a? Mark. No response on either. At 9:13 PM I call and no answer. At 9:35 PM I said Seriously? You are going to do this? At 9:45 PM I call him and he answers. I said umm where are you? We have been in the parking lot since 8:55 PM and I even texted you several times. He said why didn't you just knock on the door, I had been there since 8:30 PM. I said first of all I am not going to do that because you weren't supposed to be in the room until 9:00 PM. Then I asked him where he was, if he was here and he said he left..Then I said well how long will it take you to get back here. He said 30 minutes. I said I am not waiting that long as I have been up way early, and I made sure to be awake and vibrant for this duo. He said well how about you come to Belterra tomorrow and I will make it up to you. I said I wanted a 20% deposit and sure no problems. He said he would take care of it the next day. I texted him the next day, and he tells me he got a DUI, and why didn't I just knock on the door the night before, as I guess the DUI is now my fault. I told him I want the money for driving out there and wasting my time, and he said he would meet me at such and such time. Then he tells me what I asked for isn't right and I would be lucky to get $150. Now his phone is changed imagine that.

My question is, would you have expected a provider to knock on your door at 9 if you weren't supposed to be there til then, and you didn't even answer when I called?? I honestly think he was never there, but just by observation on how I read people. The professional thing to do in his case would've been to text or call me when he was there, and then I would've went in. I am not going to do that until then since I am just that...professional.[/QUOTE]I think you absolutely did the right thing. If I'm seeing a lady, I'll always make contact once I have arrived at the predesignated location. That's common courtesy and I have come to find out, expected and accepted etiquette. I sincerely doubt the veracity of his story and strongly believe that the was no where near the hotel. He would have been bombing your phone with texts and calls if you hadn't arrived at the agreed upon time. I mean really, the time arrives and he's just sitting there playing tiddly winks or stroking his johnson. Nah baby Nah.

Luv.

Nah, they wouldn't send troopers, they would just send an illegal black ops team to invade BA and kidnap you, then snake you out to some ass backward country where they can torture you for the info on where the servers are.

Cheech.

I just answered this on the Massholes thread. So to put everybody at ease. What members now have at the USA Sex Guide will always be free. A guy sitting in front of a computer writing a review connecting with other guys that write reviews, always free, it's the lifeblood of our business. We want to continue to improve that, even on the free side. But really serious improvements cost a shit ton of fucking money, so they will have to cost money.

Think about search, I think developing a form to input data would be a great idea. That way you could search for skinny, blonde, girl friendly, 30 year olds without a gag reflex (tell you anything about me) I want to eventually have a form like that for the providers on the new site to fill out, except I think a lot of them would be less than truethful. But that's where we have a step up because we are the most KICK ASS review site in the world. We want USASG and USAAC to work hand in hand. If some chick makes a membership there, she could have a link that says "Look for my reviews on the USASG" click on that and you get a list of her reviews here.

At this point we are just tossing ideas around without even a timeline for the future of the USASG. I personally (not the godlike presence on the forum, but me) think the number for subscribers needs to be between 10 and 20 bucks a month or a serious discount, 80-120 a year. I personally, don't want to give guys premium access for writing reviews. I know that flies in the face of the market but I (personally) want serious fucking mongers involved. I want guys that do 2-3 dates a month, that understand that next to a great BBBJ the most important thing in this hobby is Timely, Accurate, Reliable information. If a guys is willing to spend 300-800 bucks a month for pussy, and his 10-20 dollar investment here brings him one good date, or allows him to avoid one bad one then the site has paid for itself for a year. I don't even want mongers that don't understand that involved as subscribers. When people value something they take better care of it.

Like I said above, there will always be an improving free side, always, no question. None of this "hidden good parts" shit like TER. The majority of guys will be going there.

But there also might be a closed subscriber side, it will be a lot less guys, but the info will be better and the bullshit less.

As far as the paratroopers or black ops squad, I know a couple chicks that would distract them.

[QUOTE=Cheech1;2073453]Nah, they wouldn't send troopers, they would just send an illegal black ops team to invade BA and kidnap you, then snake you out to some ass backward country where they can torture you for the info on where the servers are.

Cheech.[/QUOTE]I'm already there, I currently live in an ass backwards country.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2073530]I'm already there, I currently live in an ass backwards country.[/QUOTE]It's an assbackwards country with an inexhaustible supply of inexpensive and gorgeous women. So theres that.

[blue]Yeah there is that.[/blue]

[QUOTE=SinfulDreams;2073830]A2 I am all for it. I pay quite a bit for some ads already on other boards, but that is where a lot of my business comes from so I don't mind. I would agree with the gift card thing such as a prepaid. However, with certain cards such as Green Dot, IF they find out you are using it for Adult Related Services, they will freeze your money and ban you. I guess depending on if you could mask what the charge would go through as would definitely help. I know Eros goes through as DSP...and nobody knows what that means, although if they wanted to they could look into it.

Hopefully it will weed out some of the ones who don't really want to be in this, and the cash and dash, and such. I know I am all for that.[/QUOTE]But one of the things we are kicking around is verifying to cut out bait and switch. Essentially we would do some kind of quick video interview with the advertiser while we have their pics up on our screen. We look at them, look at the pics, if we are reasonably certain it's them, we annotate the ad or pic somehow. We wouldn't be saying that if you go to see this girl that she opens the door, we would just be saying, we saw her, these pics are the chick we saw. As long as she used the "verified" option that would be a small upcharge on her ad. Not sure what we are going to do in the event that it's the chick, but the pics were 10 years and 50 lbs ago though.

We are also planning on using chrome to mod so we can right click and do the google image search, all pics that came back as K-Pop stars would be deleted and "thank you very much for the money.".

The biggest complaint BY FAR on BP is bait and switch. We would allow chicks to use pics that were "representative" of themselves so long as that was disclosed. Then it would be up to the reviewers to either corroborate or vilify the claim.

Ally when you get to the shopping cart you're going to think, "Seriously, that's all they want?

There's a lot of providers in the states, good fucking providers, we want our reputation to be one of honesty, integrity, VALUE, and security. We will have some kind of generic name for CC processing as well. Nobody wants to get something on their statement that says FindaHo. When we are successful at that I'll be showing up at CVG in a pimped G-5, platform shoes, fur coat, and a big hat.

Argentina might be ass backwards, but to the best of my knowledge they haven't been accepting torture subjects from the US Govt, like some of the stans have been.

Regarding the expansion plans, I think you're on the right track. The payment situation is going to be a problem, though. You might have to set up a front operation down there, a hat and glove store or something, leather goods, I don't know, to keep the bluenose assholes from gumming up the works. You could set something up here in the States, but then the transfer is a problem; and they'll want to tax your ass, etc, and also subject to subpoena, so that won't work. Maybe a charity of some sort, save the hookers or something. .

Cheech.

[QUOTE=Stormyoneonly;2072950]He is now automatically on my DNA list. Thank you so much for your information Blake. Be safe.

Much Love,

Stormy.[/QUOTE]Not a problem. I'm happy this reached you doll. Stay Stay safe.

Blake.

Hey A2. What we need is a chat board. I'm sitting here nearly 11:00. Smoking cigar and having a fine glass of chard. Can't get anyone to talk to. We need a chat board for late night guys like me. Would like to hear from Cincinnati guys and gals who stay up late.

[QUOTE=Glockman;2075622]Hey A2. What we need is a chat board. I'm sitting here nearly 11:00. Smoking cigar and having a fine glass of chard. Can't get anyone to talk to. We need a chat board for late night guys like me. Would like to hear from Cincinnati guys and gals who stay up late.[/QUOTE]It's one of the features we are thinking about adding. Live regional chat. Though we are talking about it as part of a subscription packet.

No that doesn't mean that this part of the USASG is not going to be free.

[b]WE AREN'T PLANNING ON CHANGING ANYTHING HERE.[/b] We are thinking about stuff we could do in the future to have a free and subscription level. [b]IT'S ONLY AN IDEA NOW, NO YOU WON'T HAVE TO PAY TO READ THE FORUM.[/b].

I have to put that in bold and caps so I don't get a million emails from guys.

A2.

[QUOTE=Glockman;2075622]Hey A2. What we need is a chat board. I'm sitting here nearly 11:00. Smoking cigar and having a fine glass of chard. Can't get anyone to talk to. We need a chat board for late night guys like me. Would like to hear from Cincinnati guys and gals who stay up late.[/QUOTE]And here is where the like button would have come in extremely handy. Great idea Glockman.

Luv.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2073220]

Paypal will never be an option, those fucks stole our money and still have it. Maybe someday in the future there will be a USASG CCBilling, payment processor that won't penalize sites that are engaged in adult activity.

A2.[/QUOTE]You do know there was a class action suit they lost a few years back that forced them to release all those held funds and to return penalties charged to adult oriented businesses, right? You folks should look into getting your money back. I got everything back and have been doing just fine using them without a hitch with my adult oriented side business. Essentially when eBay bought them, they had a hard time reconciling sanctions against adult businesses, when eBay actually sells as much adult material as it does regular merchandise. Once they saw the bottom line they changed their tune and now welcome adult businesses with open arms.

[QUOTE=PhatDaty;2075693]. Essentially when eBay bought them, they had a hard time reconciling sanctions against adult businesses, when eBay actually sells as much adult material as it does regular merchandise. Once they saw the bottom line they changed their tune and now welcome adult businesses with open arms.[/QUOTE]Actually they still have some problems. Summer and I used paypal when we were excepting CC. We were unable to open a paypal account ourselfs because they wouldn't except the adult business. So we end up having someone set an account up for us. Most of our amounts run for CC use were between 125-300. In one instance, we had a three our duo in which the guy paid 600. Immediately they froze the account. We couldn't get our for almost 4 months. They wanted prove of business, receipts, taxes, etc. With the help of someone, we was able to send recepts for a cleaning business and a few other things. That still wasn't good enuf. We then closed the account out after a month of messing with them and it still took another three months to get our money. It was a hassle. And I would never reccommend paypal. It really sucked for us to have to wait that long for 600.

[QUOTE=ClassASweetie;2075760]Actually they still have some problems. Summer and I used paypal when we were excepting CC. We were unable to open a paypal account ourselfs because they wouldn't except the adult business. So we end up having someone set an account up for us. Most of our amounts run for CC use were between 125-300. In one instance, we had a three our duo in which the guy paid 600. Immediately they froze the account. We couldn't get our for almost 4 months. They wanted prove of business, receipts, taxes, etc. With the help of someone, we was able to send recepts for a cleaning business and a few other things. That still wasn't good enuf. We then closed the account out after a month of messing with them and it still took another three months to get our money. It was a hassle. And I would never reccommend paypal. It really sucked for us to have to wait that long for 600.[/QUOTE]Not to discount what you are saying but I had no problem getting an adult account, and I was given my frozen funds completely, once the judge filed an order for them to do so--you just had to know where to complain and how to complain. There are [B]millions[/B] adult items sold everyday on eBay (a little secret they don't broadcast is that that is their primary profit source, since they charge premium fees to list adult items) and those sellers are [B]REQUIRED[/B] to have a Paypal account.

eBay owns Paypal. When they acquired them, there was no way eBay was going to keep those prudish policies in effect: there was too much money to be made. I sell hundreds of dollars in adult items on eBay (it helps fund my hobby) every month and have not had a problem since the changeover.

[QUOTE=PhatDaty;2075961]Not to discount what you are saying but I had no problem getting an adult account, and I was given my frozen funds completely, once the judge filed an order for them to do so--you just had to know where to complain and how to complain. There are [B]millions[/B] adult items sold everyday on eBay (a little secret they don't broadcast is that that is their primary profit source, since they charge premium fees to list adult items) and those sellers are [B]REQUIRED[/B] to have a Paypal account.

eBay owns Paypal. When they acquired them, there was no way eBay was going to keep those prudish policies in effect: there was too much money to be made. I sell hundreds of dollars in adult items on eBay (it helps fund my hobby) every month and have not had a problem since the changeover.[/QUOTE]Terms of service;.

Prohibited Activities.

You may not use the PayPal service for activities that:

1. Violate any law, statute, ordinance or regulation.

2. Relate to transactions involving (a) narcotics, steroids, certain controlled substances or other products that present a risk to consumer safety, (b) drug paraphernalia, [B](c) items that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity,[/B] (d) stolen goods including digital and virtual goods (e) items that promote hate, violence, racial intolerance, or the financial exploitation of a crime, (f) items that are considered obscene, (g) items that infringe or violate any copyright, trademark, right of publicity or privacy or any other proprietary right under the laws of any jurisdiction, [B](h) certain sexually oriented materials or services,[/B] (I) ammunition, firearms, or certain firearm parts or accessories, or (j) ,certain weapons or knives regulated under applicable law.

They fucked us with 2 C and H.

I'm going to look into Square.

I thought I'd move this conversation to the Octagon before it gets argumentive. Sex providers are not always what we expect when the door opens, right? Men who pay for sex, however, are all "GQ model material" with abs of steel. The next time you schedule an appointment with a provider and you're disappointed in appearances (much older, heavier, not so pretty, etc)., should you turn and run or give her a chance to provide her best to you? If every provider who was turned off by the old, fat, bald, smelly men who they open the door to says "no thanks", where would the hobby be?

From my own experiences, I've been with really pretty spinners who couldn't give a fuck about their performance and are a waste of money and I've been with homely or chubby women who gave me the ride of my life. If we mongers want a beauty queen on our arm, we should have married one or get on the dating scene until you find one. If we want great sex, sometimes we have to overlook the imperfections in the providers (as they do ours) and let nature take its course. I'm not saying we should overlook things like filthy rooms, other people hanging out, etc., but to turn and run due to looks alone is simply rude.

I have not played much lately due to major health reasons but have engaged in massages very recently. I have a rant about texting. Yesterday, I sent a text to one of the providers that advertises on this forum who states that texting is fine. I did not get a reply and after 3 hours I logged out of google voice and spent the day on other activities. Last night when I logged back onto GV, there where 10 texts from her. The last 7 basically stated "if you weren't serious, why did you text me". Hey, don't yell at me 3 hours after I sent my text. If you can't respond till then, just state that. I don't mind getting one that says, "I couldn't respond till now and if you are still interested, let me know". Just my rant.

[QUOTE=Mlive123;2076586]
Hey, don't yell at me 3 hours after I sent my text.[/QUOTE]If Mlive needed to move on he should have advised her by text he was out of time and he would be back to her direction later. Girls have more of us to keep track of than we do of them. Most have other jobs and kiddies. Girls receive a lot more texts than we do. Different text handles and email handles can make it hard for the girls to keep the same guy straight. If we want to get a girl in the sack we need to show a little consideration.

Since this is the Octagon I'll quote Jackson, "Just another asshole out to cause trouble." (That's me)

[QUOTE=Admin2;2075671]It's one of the features we are thinking about adding. Live regional chat. Though we are talking about it as part of a subscription packet.

No that doesn't mean that this part of the USASG is not going to be free.

[b]WE AREN'T PLANNING ON CHANGING ANYTHING HERE.[/b] We are thinking about stuff we could do in the future to have a free and subscription level. [b]IT'S ONLY AN IDEA NOW, NO YOU WON'T HAVE TO PAY TO READ THE FORUM.[/b].

I have to put that in bold and caps so I don't get a million emails from guys.

A2.[/QUOTE]Another great thread on USASG.

A2 - I'd definitely be willing to pay for subscriber added features. And, leaving the forum as it is and free is the way to go.

Either way, I'm looking forward to see what you all come up with.

Zhuxi.

[QUOTE=Golfcart;2076644]If Mlive needed to move on he should have advised her by text he was out of time and he would be back to her direction later. Girls have more of us to keep track of than we do of them. Most have other jobs and kiddies. Girls receive a lot more texts than we do. Different text handles and email handles can make it hard for the girls to keep the same guy straight. If we want to get a girl in the sack we need to show a little consideration.

Since this is the Octagon I'll quote Jackson, "Just another asshole out to cause trouble." (That's me)[/QUOTE]After three hours, I probably would have done the same. Sometimes I don't turn my ho phone on for three days. Maybe he should have seen her a follow up text that he was leaving, maybe not. But that doesn't make him an asshole out to cause trouble. On the other hand, there are some assholes on this board out to cause trouble. But that's another story.

[QUOTE=Glockman;2076743]After three hours, I probably would have done the same. Sometimes I don't turn my ho phone on for three days. Maybe he should have seen her a follow up text that he was leaving, maybe not. But that doesn't make him an asshole out to cause trouble. On the other hand, there are some assholes on this board out to cause trouble. But that's another story.[/QUOTE]I agree. Wouldn't it also make a difference how far along in the txt conversation you were? If I send one initial txt to a provider just saying Hello, and asking if she's available at a particular time, and I don't hear back for hours, I just assume she was busy. I move on and figure I'll try again some other time. I wouldn't feel a need to send another txt letting her know that.

On the other hand, if we had gotten to the stage of working out the logistics (what time, how long, location), it would be different. Or if she responded right away with interest but then I didn't hear back to a 2nd or 3rd txt. In those cases, I feel like I should let them know that my window of opportunity is closing and we would have to reschedule. I suppose that in any case, it could be a matter of losing track of people she's communicating with rather than being busy. But unless I get at least one positive response, I would never assume a provider has already dedicated some of her time to meet me and wouldn't feel a need to 'cancel'. I would assume there wasn't yet anything TO cancel at that point.

If anyone thinks that's the wrong way to handle it, I'm all ears.

There is a significant difference in the two situations of the girl's appearance and shape, and the monger's appearance and shape. The first is the matter of the advertisement. If a girl says in her ad that she is a 5'2", 110 lb. Hot looking spinner, and she turns out to be a 5', 160 lb. Mutt, then she is guilty of false advertising, and the guy has no obligation to do anything at all, leaving without a word is a viable option. Not rude, just real. Rude would be yelling at her and telling her she's a fat, ugly, lying *****. Don't do that, that's rude and even worse, unkind.

As far as us being old, fat, bald, ugly, etc., that's why we use providers. THEY KNOW that we are not young and handsome. (In General) But how many of us mongers tell a girl we are young, fit, and handsome when we are not? I would say none. That's not to say that we cannot overlook imperfections, it depends on how horny we are and how much we can afford. The second part of the deal is the money. If we tell a girl that we are willing to pay $1.5, show up, have fun and then give her .75, what do you think is going to happen? So don't come up with some wishy-washy tolerance crap about its rude to turn away from a woman who uses deceptive advertising to do the old bait and switch.

Cheech.

[QUOTE=SkirtChasa;2076582]I thought I'd move this conversation to the Octagon before it gets argumentive. Sex providers are not always what we expect when the door opens, right? Men who pay for sex, however, are all "GQ model material" with abs of steel. The next time you schedule an appointment with a provider and you're disappointed in appearances (much older, heavier, not so pretty, etc)., should you turn and run or give her a chance to provide her best to you? If every provider who was turned off by the old, fat, bald, smelly men who they open the door to says "no thanks", where would the hobby be?

From my own experiences, I've been with really pretty spinners who couldn't give a fuck about their performance and are a waste of money and I've been with homely or chubby women who gave me the ride of my life. If we mongers want a beauty queen on our arm, we should have married one or get on the dating scene until you find one. If we want great sex, sometimes we have to overlook the imperfections in the providers (as they do ours) and let nature take its course. I'm not saying we should overlook things like filthy rooms, other people hanging out, etc., but to turn and run due to looks alone is simply rude.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SkirtChasa;2076582]I thought I'd move this conversation to the Octagon before it gets argumentive. Sex providers are not always what we expect when the door opens, right? Men who pay for sex, however, are all "GQ model material" with abs of steel. The next time you schedule an appointment with a provider and you're disappointed in appearances (much older, heavier, not so pretty, etc)., should you turn and run or give her a chance to provide her best to you? If every provider who was turned off by the old, fat, bald, smelly men who they open the door to says "no thanks", where would the hobby be?

From my own experiences, I've been with really pretty spinners who couldn't give a fuck about their performance and are a waste of money and I've been with homely or chubby women who gave me the ride of my life. If we mongers want a beauty queen on our arm, we should have married one or get on the dating scene until you find one. If we want great sex, sometimes we have to overlook the imperfections in the providers (as they do ours) and let nature take its course. I'm not saying we should overlook things like filthy rooms, other people hanging out, etc., but to turn and run due to looks alone is simply rude.[/QUOTE]Up there with the bizarre laws that say you can't buy something an adult is freely and willingly trying to sell, A2 cuts a little slack on pics. If the girl DISCLOSES in her ad "These aren't my pics, but I'm shaped like this" and she is, I'm ok with it. We have a AA provider on the forum that used to use this internet big bootie models photos. At first she didn't disclose the deal so I took them down because there are no "fake pics" allowed on the USASG. (I use chrome and right click to search all new advertisers pics to make sure). She and I started emailing a little and she ended up sending me a pic of herself (with clothing you assholes) and damned if she didn't look (body) just like the chick who's pics she was using. Her face was different, she was really cute, just different. So I told her that if she disclosed it she could do it.

Regarding the balance between appearance and service; A2 would much rather see a 7 or 8 that fucked like a 12 than a 9 or 10 that fucked like a 2. I'm absolutely over the chicks that think just showing up is all they have to do because they are really hot. Half of the world was born with a pussy, just because the life support system for yours is wrapped in a nice package doesn't mean you're done working. One of the surest ways to spot this, IMHO, is where they are pricing themselves within the locally acceptable range. Chicks that are trying to charge 150% or more over the top end of customary for the local market are saying something beyond price to me. To me, with that price they are saying, "I'm so fucking much hotter than anybody else here that you are lucky I need the money and am willing to demean myself enough to let your fat, greasy, fingers touch my hallowed flesh." Fuck them, you're a hooker, get to work. (My love of hookers is well know, it's the fucking princesses that piss me off).

Regarding fat, stinky, greasy mongers that don't fucking bath; I've experienced both sides of this equation. (not the no bathing part) and my experience tells me this. Chicks look at clients in a bunch of different ways. I'll talk about two.[LIST]Oh, he's kinda hot, I think I'd fuck him anyway, AND I get paid. Bonus! This one seems to end up with a lot of screaming "Oh God" and "Fuck me, fuck me, fuck me, fuck me's. With very, very, very moist dripping pussies.[/LIST][LIST]Oh fuck, well the rents due, let's go to work. This one seemed to have a lot of those porno soundtrack moans and faces that seemed to be composing the to-do list for after you're gone. "Gotta go pick up Tommy, then go to the store because we are out of milk and bread, then band camp for Susie, then..." No moistness here.[/LIST]
I added this after reading PD's post. I'm not saying that if a guy is fat, old, and bald but clean and decently groomed the chick shouldn't do a good job. The money is so I can be selfish about my pleasure and not have to play any of the stupid games. I'm saying that like anybody else, if the job is pleasant, they will be whistling while they work.

Bottom line, get off your ass and do a couple pushups, not for them, for you.

[QUOTE=SkirtChasa;2076582] If every provider who was turned off by the old, fat, bald, smelly men who they open the door to says "no thanks", where would the hobby be? I'm not saying we should overlook things like filthy rooms, other people hanging out, etc., but to turn and run due to looks alone is simply rude.[/QUOTE]Hmmm?

I shortened what you said just to make it easy on the eyes. I agree with some of what you say, especially that there really is no correlation between sexual performance and physical attractiveness, but not sure I can ride along with you on the two statements I took a little out of context above.

In my experience, while some of the ladies may connect with chemistry, personality, etc., for the most part most of them will admit, when being honest that this is the most appealing thing they will ever find in any man:

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That aside, yes, if you do your best to make yourself a more pleasant session, you might get better service. Of course, sometimes we just don't have our A game, so sometimes the white envelop will just have to be enouh: [B] a wink and nod at the poor young lady I was with; didn't have even my D last night.[/B].

On the issue of pictures and actual appearance, well, I have mixed feelings on that. How much is cold feet, and how much is a legitimate complaint that there was a bait and switch? Sadly that is often hard to determine, except in obvious, ridiculous false advertising, in which case you are perfectly justified in shaking dust and hitting the road, with apologies to none.

[QUOTE=SkirtChasa;2076582]I thought I'd move this conversation to the Octagon before it gets argumentive. Sex providers are not always what we expect when the door opens, right? Men who pay for sex, however, are all "GQ model material" with abs of steel. The next time you schedule an appointment with a provider and you're disappointed in appearances (much older, heavier, not so pretty, etc)., should you turn and run or give her a chance to provide her best to you? If every provider who was turned off by the old, fat, bald, smelly men who they open the door to says "no thanks", where would the hobby be?

From my own experiences, I've been with really pretty spinners who couldn't give a fuck about their performance and are a waste of money and I've been with homely or chubby women who gave me the ride of my life. If we mongers want a beauty queen on our arm, we should have married one or get on the dating scene until you find one. If we want great sex, sometimes we have to overlook the imperfections in the providers (as they do ours) and let nature take its course. I'm not saying we should overlook things like filthy rooms, other people hanging out, etc., but to turn and run due to looks alone is simply rude.[/QUOTE]I am not the spinner and not 18 but I love this hobby. I love as Admin 2 says being a "hooker". Also come my way you big, bald, and not stinky GENTLEMEN. If you do stink that is why I have a shower and will offer to jump in with you. Yet again no place like home and the gentlemen of Cincinnati. Bring on the big old fart teddy bears I love them.

Xoxox,

Stormy.

I just had a post get reported by a chick because he said she stole his phone. She said "he's my crazy ex boyfriend" and asked me to take it down. He's been a member with 500 posts and many, many good reviews as well as some bad ones.

Who do I believe, provider that registered to complain about that, or the guy who's been around forever? It's a toughy.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2077495]I just had a post get reported by a chick because he said she stole his phone. She said "he's my crazy ex boyfriend" and asked me to take it down. He's been a member with 500 posts and many, many good reviews as well as some bad ones.

Who do I believe, provider that registered to complain about that, or the guy who's been around forever? It's a toughy.[/QUOTE]The mod's job is to make sure the posts conform to posting guidelines.

Readers determine who / what they believe.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2076963]...I'm saying that like anybody else, if the job is pleasant, they will be whistling while they work.

Bottom line, get off your ass and do a couple pushups, not for them, for you.[/QUOTE]My Philosophy is: The less repulsive I am, the better service I will likely receive from the provider. I've lost over 30 lbs since I started in the hobby just under a year ago, in part because my pizza delivery fund has been diverted to my hobby fund. I recommend the "hooker-diet" to everyone I know!

The bottom line is, if you take care of yourself, physically you can fuck better, and mentally you'll feel better. And to women, civilian or provider, confidence is sexy.

So, I have been pondering this idea for some time. I'm all for it, as seems to be the consensus.

(1) Create a better search and / or index function for your premium members. Maybe even something as simple as clicking on the user name to see previous posts. All of the member's reviews (either about a provider or authored by a gent) will be accessible. This would be really helpful for all of our traveling members; it can be tedious to search for info sometimes.

(2) Consider increasing your server storage (sorry, I'm not a techy) so that videos can be uploaded. Only premium members could access the videos. Providers could post their own videos, mongers can post their videos from a session, etc. Seriously. Dudes LOVE video. Dudes will pay for video. You can charge for access per video ($2 will unlock Molly's Raunchy in Reno video permanently, or $20 per month will unlock all videos).

(3) Create a 'review template'. This doesn't even have to be exclusive to premium members. It can just be a way to include all the pertinent info that mongers like to know about.

(4) Ad posting guidelines. We already have a 'one ad per day rule'. Premium members could have unlimited ad posting rights, and their ad posts could be posted instantaneously (no moderation. Hey A2 that saves you work!) Or, for the ones who 'copy and paste' the same ad, you could have a 'bump to the top' option for premium members.

(5) Photo verification. This may be a bit too much added work for you, A2. Monger reviews should be able to tell you if posted pics are accurate. But, for a brand new provider, this may be a great way to verify they aren't misrepresenting themselves.

(6) Separate hobbyist / provider only forums for premium members. This would help keep the white-knighting off the main boards, and can be a helpful place for info distribution.

(7) Premium Member Spotlights. This can be used as a reward for loyalty to the premium part of the site. Either focus on one monger / provider each month, or have a voting system to help decide who wins the honor.

(8) Premium Provider Banner Rotation. Rotate the pics of local premium providers across the top of all pages of their local forum.

(9) Have an 'available now' button for both providers and mongers.

(10) Create premium sections for fetishes, teens, watersports, and any other 'hot topics'.

(11) Chat module. While I think this is a great idea, I'm not so sure it will be used enough to justify the start-up cost. Other hobby sites with chat functions have little to no activity in their chat rooms the majority of the time (at least in my opinion).

(12) This may be a bit too much, but consider having an online 'pay' system. Lots of times guys have trouble securing and hiding hobby funds from their SO. If there was a way to charge them anywhere from $5-$50 per month, recurring, for an online subscription to 'ESPN worldwide sports digest' or to 'the Farmer's Almanac', that money could be their 'hobby savings account' and can be used to pay providers (with an appropriate surcharge for the site).

These ideas are mainly features from the numerous other hobby sites I have used. But, the more perks there are for premium membership, the more likely you will have customers willing to pay for the premium service.

Get 'er did A2! I'm all about you becoming rich, so we can get married and ride off into the sunset astride a big white horse. LOL!

Kisses.

Molly.

Looks like this topic of physical appearance and expectations has gotten a lot of attention. I may have a very different approach and attitude to the hobby than most men. I have sex regularly at home, it's just boring and doesn't fulfill my extremely high sex drive, so I'm willing to pay for that thrill and excitement of fucking younger, less inhibited women without looking for a "mistress" to complicate my life.

I also enter into the hobby with the same priority as at home- make my woman cum and lust for me. That's what turns ME on the most. While I'm not naieve enough to believe all the moans and groans are authentic, I do know when a woman shakes and squirts with me, I've done my job! That turns me on more than a great blow job or hot body that just lays there. Like I've said, outward appearance is part of the attraction, but chemistry and performance matters more (to me).

To each his own, of course. If we want to pop with a pretty woman and won't settle for less, be very selective and prepare to be disappointed. To find a hot, sensual woman who also has the looks of a Penthouse Pet, either you're playing in the wrong league and need to step up to the $1,000 an hour level or you'll be stroking your own luck, if you know what I mean.

Have I found a few extremely hot and sexy women I would consider very pretty? Yes. Have I had great sex with those who are not? Absolutely, YES. The greatest thing about the hobby is that you can play with whom you want and avoid those you don't want based on doing your research. You can pay what you want (but please don't be a shyster and try to negotiate for $10 BJs)!

Are the women in this for the money? 100% YES. It's what they live and survive on. Do most of the women love sex? Probably. That's why they chose this "profession". OK, it's about the money. Does it really matter? Carry on and be SAFE!

Whether you take my legs off with land mines or take my eyesight from that of the blind, still going forward. S.O. Interference. Red zone Red zone.

Outcome was good. My way or the highway. An understanding achieved. The good thing is all is known. Regardless of 4 days of hell it was guaranteed nothing changing for me.

Any of you reading this will understand my limiting of words, my direct statements that tells far more. Let's just say there was a moment this weekend I had to stop my world to keep another from ending their own. That's fkd up right there folks.

"ride off into the sunset astride a big white (stallion)." LOL.

[QUOTE=MollyDaniels;2077609]So, I have been pondering this idea for some time. I'm all for it, as seems to be the consensus.

(1) Create a better search and / or index function for your premium members. Maybe even something as simple as clicking on the user name to see previous posts. All of the member's reviews (either about a provider or authored by a gent) will be accessible. This would be really helpful for all of our traveling members; it can be tedious to search for info sometimes.

(2) Consider increasing your server storage (sorry, I'm not a techy) so that videos can be uploaded. Only premium members could access the videos. Providers could post their own videos, mongers can post their videos from a session, etc. Seriously. Dudes LOVE video. Dudes will pay for video. You can charge for access per video ($2 will unlock Molly's Raunchy in Reno video permanently, or $20 per month will unlock all videos).

(3) Create a 'review template'. This doesn't even have to be exclusive to premium members. It can just be a way to include all the pertinent info that mongers like to know about.

(4) Ad posting guidelines. We already have a 'one ad per day rule'. Premium members could have unlimited ad posting rights, and their ad posts could be posted instantaneously (no moderation. Hey A2 that saves you work!) Or, for the ones who 'copy and paste' the same ad, you could have a 'bump to the top' option for premium members.

(5) Photo verification. This may be a bit too much added work for you, A2. Monger reviews should be able to tell you if posted pics are accurate. But, for a brand new provider, this may be a great way to verify they aren't misrepresenting themselves.

(6) Separate hobbyist / provider only forums for premium members. This would help keep the white-knighting off the main boards, and can be a helpful place for info distribution.

(7) Premium Member Spotlights. This can be used as a reward for loyalty to the premium part of the site. Either focus on one monger / provider each month, or have a voting system to help decide who wins the honor.

(8) Premium Provider Banner Rotation. Rotate the pics of local premium providers across the top of all pages of their local forum.

(9) Have an 'available now' button for both providers and mongers.

(10) Create premium sections for fetishes, teens, watersports, and any other 'hot topics'.

(11) Chat module. While I think this is a great idea, I'm not so sure it will be used enough to justify the start-up cost. Other hobby sites with chat functions have little to no activity in their chat rooms the majority of the time (at least in my opinion).

(12) This may be a bit too much, but consider having an online 'pay' system. Lots of times guys have trouble securing and hiding hobby funds from their SO. If there was a way to charge them anywhere from $5-$50 per month, recurring, for an online subscription to 'ESPN worldwide sports digest' or to 'the Farmer's Almanac', that money could be their 'hobby savings account' and can be used to pay providers (with an appropriate surcharge for the site).

These ideas are mainly features from the numerous other hobby sites I have used. But, the more perks there are for premium membership, the more likely you will have customers willing to pay for the premium service.

Get 'er did A2! I'm all about you becoming rich, so we can get married and ride off into the sunset astride a big white horse. LOL!

Kisses.

Molly.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SkirtChasa;2076582]I thought I'd move this conversation to the Octagon before it gets argumentive. Sex providers are not always what we expect when the door opens, right? Men who pay for sex, however, are all "GQ model material" with abs of steel. The next time you schedule an appointment with a provider and you're disappointed in appearances (much older, heavier, not so pretty, etc)., should you turn and run or give her a chance to provide her best to you? If every provider who was turned off by the old, fat, bald, smelly men who they open the door to says "no thanks", where would the hobby be?

From my own experiences, I've been with really pretty spinners who couldn't give a fuck about their performance and are a waste of money and I've been with homely or chubby women who gave me the ride of my life. If we mongers want a beauty queen on our arm, we should have married one or get on the dating scene until you find one. If we want great sex, sometimes we have to overlook the imperfections in the providers (as they do ours) and let nature take its course. I'm not saying we should overlook things like filthy rooms, other people hanging out, etc., but to turn and run due to looks alone is simply rude.[/QUOTE]The thing is us mongers can be fat, ugly or whatever because we are the consumers. Its our hard earned money that we are spending. If McDonald's comes out with a new burger on white bread 3 patties special sauce and cheddar cheese, that might excite you to go get it. Now if you get there and its on wheat bread 2 patties with mustard and swiss cheese you have the right to change your mind and get something different. Bottom line if you advertise one thing and try to sell another thing and that thing is something that I don't like, I won't be pressured into purchasing it. If you are that weak then that is on you. I'm in the hobby to bang a quality of chics that I probably couldn't get on my own. If skill is that important to you, [blue]Deleted by Admin, you can't say that even here[/blue] who I heard gives the best BBBJ imaginable, would you lime his #? She must be really important to you for you to keep harping on this.

[QUOTE=Dmaphukn;2078272]The thing is us mongers can be fat, ugly or whatever because we are the consumers. Its our hard earned money that we are spending. If McDonald's comes out with a new burger on white bread 3 patties special sauce and cheddar cheese, that might excite you to go get it. Now if you get there and its on wheat bread 2 patties with mustard and swiss cheese you have the right to change your mind and get something different. Bottom line if you advertise one thing and try to sell another thing and that thing is something that I don't like, I won't be pressured into purchasing it. If you are that weak then that is on you. I'm in the hobby to bang a quality of chics that I probably couldn't get on my own. If skill is that important to you, [blue]Deleted by Admin, you can't say that even here[/blue] who I heard gives the best BBBJ imaginable, would you lime his #? She must be really important to you for you to keep harping on this.[/QUOTE]I believe in truth in advertising as much as you do. If a provider advertises that she's a former Victoria's Secret model and she turns out to be homely, or if she posts pictures that are clearly not her, I say turn and walk away. I would do the same. However, if the ad boasts of sexual performance at a bargain price and not beauty (as in the case of Cassidy & others), don't schedule a date, then cancel when she turns out not to be a beauty queen. That's all I'm saying. The women on here deserve some decency on our part if we want to keep them in the business. That's my last post on this subject.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2068666][BLUE]I don't want to identify who suggested it because I just want opinions uncolored by personality. Somebody suggested adding a "Help Wanted" thread. Essentially this would be a thread for guys to post specific stuff they are looking for and the ladies who wish to provide it could respond either in the thread or through PM's.

Way back when Jax started this forum there weren't any chicks on it and most requests like this were from lonely guys looking for girlfriends so he disallowed it. You can still kind of do it by saying "does anybody know a provider that does X?" But you're soliciting info from the guys that know the providers not just the chicks.

This would be different in the sense that you could just post "I'm looking for three chicks over 6' tall that like water sports." And if, there were three chicks over six feet tall that liked being pissed on they could say "Hey we are three chicks over six feet tall that like being pissed on. Call us" Or perhaps a partial, "I'm a chick that is 5'10" and have two tall friends, would we do?"

We would probably restrict it to guys posting what they were looking for, and chicks who did it answering. Commentary from other guys about the request beyond "Call Martha, she's an amputee and is a provider" wouldn't be allowed. Everybody has some kind of kink and if the behavior involved is done between consenting adults who they fuck are we to judge.

Obviously all of the rules regarding age and consent would apply.

Would you guys be interested? Ladies would you scan it and respond?

To the guy who suggested it, please remain mute about that for now, I really don't want replies colored by personal feelings.

A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]I'd use it. Would allow me to get at specific.. Interests or at the very least do new things with known providers.