Non Pro's

[QUOTE=StoryTime40;4964872]She was advertising Seattle. Said she lived in First Hill. Wanted $400 for first meet. Then asked for pics. Guess she or he updated the ad after I called them in the BS.[/QUOTE]The scammers do that. They are not in the city and switch their profiles from city to city. I've caught several because when I ask them what neighborhood they are in, they give me a neighborhood that is not Seattle or they give a neighborhood that no one in Seattle would actually use (Sunset Hill instead of Ballard). Sometimes they say "downtown" and I say "which part" and then they name a street that isn't even in Seattle.

[QUOTE=DelToro;4940785]Can't host. She was fine with hooking up. I offered $250, she said her minimum was $400 so I passed.[/QUOTE]Some fucken retard already paid that probably because now she wants $500 lmao you might be hot but I ain't paying that shit, either lower it to $3 or gtfo 😂I can't believe people pay these overpriced prices. These fucken idiots are either really fucken ugly, old as fuck that their dicks don't get hard, or just straight up white knight simps, or really fucken desperate. I'm always going to talk shit on those posers, you have a ton of information on this board on how to go about it, and they still fuck it up and pay these girls absurd amounts.

I fuck witchu man!

[QUOTE=HBadger;4965016]Some fucken retard already paid that probably because now she wants $500 lmao you might be hot but I ain't paying that shit, either lower it to $3 or gtfo 😂I can't believe people pay these overpriced prices. These fucken idiots are either really fucken ugly, old as fuck that their dicks don't get hard, or just straight up white knight simps, or really fucken desperate. I'm always going to talk shit on those posers, you have a ton of information on this board on how to go about it, and they still fuck it up and pay these girls absurd amounts.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BusSit69;4965019]I fuck witchu man![/QUOTE]Dude, people on this board give tons and tons of information on the best way to go about it in a smooth way yet for some reason they don't listen and keep fucking it up. I'm just calling it like it is because frankly these prices are out of control, sure some of them are total babes but have some self control and don't pay over 3 $, idiots if they get offended I can give two shits LOL.

We need to all band together and never pay more than 3. Don't be a scab and pay more guys!

[QUOTE=HBadger;4965067]Dude, people on this board give tons and tons of information on the best way to go about it in a smooth way yet for some reason they don't listen and keep fucking it up. I'm just calling it like it is because frankly these prices are out of control, sure some of them are total babes but have some self control and don't pay over 3 $, idiots if they get offended I can give two shits LOL.[/QUOTE]EXACTLY! There are women out there (maybe not raving beauties, but still look fine anyway, plus give good to excellent service) who ask for less. As I have mentioned before, I will pay no more than $220 an hour, and that must include BBBJ, DATY, DATO, and BBFS (Rimming would be a welcome bonus). Recently I have seen some Asian gals whom I paid only $200 for an hour visit, and it was worth it.

But folks will still spend whatever, even if it's way above the "market". I see it as either a sign of laziness (not willing to do the research), or the guy is just way too horny. Oh well, to each his own. I'll continue to pay less.

[QUOTE=SeattleRr;4965427]We need to all band together and never pay more than 3. Don't be a scab and pay more guys![/QUOTE]Totally for this, especially now when almost none of them have jobs, they'll take anything. Not saying be a scumbag and not help them out but if you're paying more than $300 ppm just go see a hooker instead. You'll save yourself the trouble.

Shoot, even 300 is too much! I say don't pay more than 200 for an hour. And make sure the services you want are included.

[QUOTE=MartyByrde;4965967]Shoot, even 300 is too much! I say don't pay more than 200 for an hour. And make sure the services you want are included.[/QUOTE]Except most of girls on SA not all but majority don't think by the hour. A lot are down for full dates or even overnight for 150-300. I've been on for 2 weeks and although some hiccups its million times better than seeing a working girl. Just got to talk them up. And if you tell them your fantasies they are usually down.

[QUOTE=HBadger;4965926]Totally for this, especially now when almost none of them have jobs, they'll take anything. Not saying be a scumbag and not help them out but if you're paying more than $300 ppm just go see a hooker instead. You'll save yourself the trouble.[/QUOTE]And you'll be doing the union a solid.

[QUOTE=MartyByrde;4965967]Shoot, even 300 is too much! I say don't pay more than 200 for an hour. And make sure the services you want are included.[/QUOTE]I mean, that's what I usually pay but I'm saying maximum should be 3 bills. I mean come on, 5 or 4 ppm, gtfo.

[QUOTE=DirkMcGurk69;4933008]I've been hooking up with her. She recently denounced her Muslim faith and is looking for exciting guys to give her what's she's missed out on in life. She's incredibly adventurous between the sheets. One if the most attractive girls on SA. She's not in this for money, she actually makes more than me haha. We always split the bill when we go out. No other allowances either just my cock will do she said. She's definitely into guys that are hung and can go 5 x+ rounds a night. Truly the most insatiable girl I've come across on SA. Good luck guys.[/QUOTE]Tried to meet with her, wasn't that into her from her pics but decided to go with it anyways, I offered 3 bills she said no. Whatever pass, wasn't that attracted to her anyways. She probably turned gps once you shared her LOL.

Just to clarify because I see guys saying 300 for hour. A meeting is various hours not one. So when guys say 300 per meet they mean 300 for multiple hours.

[QUOTE=HBadger;4966291]I mean, that's what I usually pay but I'm saying maximum should be 3 bills. I mean come on, 5 or 4 ppm, gtfo.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HBadger;4966291]I mean, that's what I usually pay but I'm saying maximum should be 3 bills. I mean come on, 5 or 4 ppm, gtfo.[/QUOTE]The maximum I will pay is $220 per hour. Paying more would be practising "Stupid is as stupid does", as Tom Hangs so correctly stated in "Forrest Gump".

[QUOTE=MyNickname;4966338]Just to clarify because I see guys saying 300 for hour. A meeting is various hours not one. So when guys say 300 per meet they mean 300 for multiple hours.[/QUOTE]Payment by the hour no matter the amount should not the considered in SA scenarios. That alone is an indication she isa pro in disguise.

[QUOTE=DelToro;4966395]Payment by the hour no matter the amount should not the considered in SA scenarios. That alone is an indication she isa pro in disguise.[/QUOTE]Correct. If anyone ever mentions hours you should just pass, red flag.

[QUOTE=MartyByrde;4965774]EXACTLY! There are women out there (maybe not raving beauties, but still look fine anyway, plus give good to excellent service) who ask for less. As I have mentioned before, I will pay no more than $220 an hour, and that must include BBBJ, DATY, DATO, and BBFS (Rimming would be a welcome bonus). Recently I have seen some Asian gals whom I paid only $200 for an hour visit, and it was worth it.

But folks will still spend whatever, even if it's way above the "market". I see it as either a sign of laziness (not willing to do the research), or the guy is just way too horny. Oh well, to each his own. I'll continue to pay less.[/QUOTE]If your paying $200 an hour for Asian gals, your part of the problem and should just go to the bb forum. Hopefully you mean, $200 per visit but I read your post and pretty sure your serious. We'll, I found one culprit who is at fault for these gps prices. By $300 I meant, a date is $300, which for me has included them staying overnight and fucking them 3 times. Why in the fuck are you paying them by the hour? I just read your second post followed by your first post, and you’re part of the problem. Everyone needs to read your post and see what I meant by me saying people on this board are causing the gps.

[QUOTE=HBadger;4966584]If your paying $200 an hour for Asian gals, your part of the problem and should just go to the bb forum. Hopefully you mean, $200 per visit but I read your post and pretty sure your serious. We'll, I found one culprit who is at fault for these gps prices. By $300 I meant, a date is $300, which for me has included them staying overnight and fucking them 3 times. Why in the fuck are you paying them by the hour? I just read your second post followed by your first post, and youre part of the problem. Everyone needs to read your post and see what I meant by me saying people on this board are causing the gps.[/QUOTE]How can $200 per hour be part of the problem? Again, that is $200 an hour, with BBBJ, DATY, DATO, and BBFS included. Plenty of folks are saying that $300 an hour is OK, but not me.

However, $300 for an entire evening and overnight stay is excellent.

[QUOTE=MyNickname;4962329]Not necesarily an scam, some are pros. What it seems to be a rule is that scams are if you get fav then they give you their number and its a number from out of state.[/QUOTE]You were right about the out of state number, I missed that pattern but since your comment I paid attention and it has been always there.

[QUOTE=MartyByrde;4966670]How can $200 per hour be part of the problem? Again, that is $200 an hour, with BBBJ, DATY, DATO, and BBFS included. Plenty of folks are saying that $300 an hour is OK, but not me.

However, $300 for an entire evening and overnight stay is excellent.[/QUOTE]Why are you paying these girls per hour 🤦this is what makes them think they're worth so much. If your on SA hourly rates should never come up. This is why you're on SA in the first place, to not be paying hourly rates. If you like paying per hour then just go see a hooker, easy as that. Your part of the problem. No wonder these girls think they deserve 500 per date or maybe even 1000. You were the guy who was confused when someone said 300 half day. We’ll I found the culprit, this guy is paying them like escorts, and like I said, did no research on this board to how to go about these girls. You’re the reason gps exists.

[QUOTE=HBadger;4967086]Why are you paying these girls per hour 🤦this is what makes them think they're worth so much. If your on SA hourly rates should never come up. This is why you're on SA in the first place, to not be paying hourly rates. If you like paying per hour then just go see a hooker, easy as that. Your part of the problem. No wonder these girls think they deserve 500 per date or maybe even 1000. You were the guy who was confused when someone said 300 half day. Well I found the culprit, this guy is paying them like escorts, and like I said, did no research on this board to how to go about these girls. Youre the reason gps exists.[/QUOTE]I am new to the whole SA game and curious if there's an approach you'd suggest. I am sure each one of us have unique needs in finding an arrangement and I certainly have no idea what I am doing besides being very cautious. Getting exposed, getting scammed, or funding a shopping trip without benefits is a top concern.

I will continue to read the forum but would like to know your approach when you find someone of interest.

Essentially, are you direct in saying "I am interesting in $400 per month allowance, and in turn want to see you 3 x per month, maybe for a drink, maybe for dinner, maybe for a shopping trip, but always something physical."

[QUOTE=HBadger;4966584]If your paying $200 an hour for Asian gals, your part of the problem and should just go to the bb forum. Hopefully you mean, $200 per visit but I read your post and pretty sure your serious. We'll, I found one culprit who is at fault for these gps prices. By $300 I meant, a date is $300, which for me has included them staying overnight and fucking them 3 times. Why in the fuck are you paying them by the hour? I just read your second post followed by your first post, and youre part of the problem. Everyone needs to read your post and see what I meant by me saying people on this board are causing the gps.[/QUOTE]So the sex is better and the rates are better than hookers? What's the downside?

[QUOTE=Jonderin;4967455]So the sex is better and the rates are better than hookers? What's the downside?[/QUOTE]You're paying the hooker to leave at the end of the date.

[QUOTE=Jonderin;4967455]So the sex is better and the rates are better than hookers? What's the downside[/QUOTE]In order to keep seeing them you need to be consistent. Hookers are better if you want variety, sugar babies are better if you want to be with the same girl long term, though there are plenty of hot ones that you can hook up with and then block, but a hooker isn't expecting you to give her $300 each week.

Marty by all means 200 an hr with everything included if freaking awesome if you're seeing an ESCORT or perhaps a stripper. All he's saying in this forum why pay hourly when you can get 2-3 hrs unless you're a wham bam thank you ma'am. LOL.

Thats why there are separate forums folks. Please research. I've read it ALL, so when I get more funds, I'm ON. I'm only seeing escorts now unfortunately. LOL.

[QUOTE=MartyByrde;4966670]How can $200 per hour be part of the problem? Again, that is $200 an hour, with BBBJ, DATY, DATO, and BBFS included. Plenty of folks are saying that $300 an hour is OK, but not me.

However, $300 for an entire evening and overnight stay is excellent.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jonderin;4967455]So the sex is better and the rates are better than hookers? What's the downside?[/QUOTE]So, for me, I like to have a good conversation. I like to have someone that at least pretends to be into me. I like someone to text me and ask me how my day is going and occasionally (without asking) send me a nude pic or video saying they were thinking of me. I like being able to buy them a (reasonably) priced gift (I make sure my SBs have gift lists on Amazon and send them something occasionally) and have them being happy or even excited when they receive it. All of this does not happen with the jaded hookers that we encounter on other sites. They want you to show up, pay them a shit ton of money and then leave. They don't care if you had a good day; if you buy them a gift, they simply look at the value of it (to see if they can sell it or if they can brag to their friends you bought them something expensive). If it's not expensive, they figure you're just a cheap ass. I love taking people to nice restaurants, but with hookers you spend $200 on dinner and then they want to charge you an additional $200-400/ hr for you to have the pleasure of watching them stare at their phone and text other people. I've done the escort / streetwalker thing for almost 30 years and while I've had some "interesting" experiences, I've never been happier than I've been with SBs. Occasionally, I still want to want to meet up with someone for 30 minutes, walk in, screw them and leave. That's what I use the hookers on TNA / Skip The Games for, but to be honest, in the few times that I've done it over the last year, I've always felt I've wasted my money. I guess after being with hot young things that are (or at least pretend to be) into you, fucking an average looking, jaded hooker who simply thinks providing a warm hole is quality service, always ends up as a major disappointment.

For the downside, I have had SBs that were upset when I didn't have time for them. I have had SBs begging me for money once we have ended our relationship. I have had trouble ending relationships because the SB was a sweetheart, but simply wasn't doing it for me sexually. For me, leaving a SB is sort is a little painful, but nowhere near as bad as leaving a true girlfriend.

[QUOTE=Jonderin;4967455]So the sex is better and the rates are better than hookers? What's the downside[/QUOTE]Upside or Downside (both) are dependent on personal preferences. Sometimes I do not have the time or patience to wine and dine, talk then go to a room and spend 3-4 hrs. I have a free 4 hours and need to make the most of it. Then a SP is better. No expectations to wine and dine her or take her out and make her feel special etc. Go to the room have great time (hopefully) - pay and leave. So based on my modd, timing or other factors both options (Pro or nonb-Pro) are used as needed. Tools in a toolbox to get the job done.

Both $$ BBFSCIP, no anal, can't host.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7e3be9ed-38fe-4d36-9a6b-d5b3800ffdcd[/URL]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/be122e2b-8d26-4a6a-b31d-48004b21d601[/URL]

[QUOTE=Jonderin;4967455]So the sex is better and the rates are better than hookers? What's the downside?[/QUOTE]Finding a good SB takes a lot of effort as there are a lot of scammers, pros, GPS, women that get cold feet, etc. Plus there are not reviews or a systematic way to have an idea of their legitimacy, other than the reports here.

That's why once you find one, you want to hang out with her for a while.

I was a very active and high profile pooner at TNA once I figured SA I had not gone back to provider, excepting one time when an SB left me dry with blue balls.

Is it just me or does everyone else need like ten attempts to log in to SA lately? Is it the SA site or the Captcha?

[QUOTE=Michael1967;4967736]That's what I use the hookers on TNA / Skip The Games for, but to be honest, in the few times that I've done it over the last year, I've always felt I've wasted my money. [/QUOTE]Michael speaks the truth! I have been laying low due to financial reasons, but when I was playing, the difference between TNA pros and SBs is just that, how I feel when I walk out. When I walk out of a pro appointment, there is generally a feeling that I could have used that money toward something else. With the few SBs I have had, I walk out tired, with a shit-eating grin on my face, and begin to wonder when I can repeat.

[QUOTE=WFM20;4968846]Is it just me or does everyone else need like ten attempts to log in to SA lately? Is it the SA site or the Captcha?[/QUOTE]Did you recently start using a VPN? I believe SA sends you additional captchas if they suspect the IP address is associated with a VPN.

[QUOTE=SaladHermit;4969285]Did you recently start using a VPN? I believe SA sends you additional captchas if they suspect the IP address is associated with a VPN.[/QUOTE]I can't log in at all from my main system. Chrome, FF, or Safari. I log in and it hangs both without VPN and with. Cache / cookies cleared, extensions disabled. All that.

I can log in from mobile and on Chrome in a virtual machine, however. Trying to track down the issue.

I'm glad to see that there are a few people that know the difference between a SB and a pro (SP / SW).

Seriously folks, if you're rolling through SBs and paying by the hour, you are either seeing escorts / pros or ruining a SB. Sugar Babies are friends with mutual benefits and an ongoing regular thing. One of the benefits is that if one looks at things as a cost over time it can be a better value.

[QUOTE=Anonymous420;4969412]... ruining a SB... [/QUOTE]90 percent of the charge, for me, in the sugar world is corrupting a more-or-less innocent girl.

Any info on her?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/2de610e8-2212-4c11-b8b6-ae90207733b8[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarkoRamius;4970422]90 percent of the charge, for me, in the sugar world is corrupting a more-or-less innocent girl.[/QUOTE]Have you gotten any virgins? How many? How old were they?

Any intel?

Might meet up with her, but am also maybe getting a pro vibe: [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/458a52ec-9a59-4c79-82fd-a201e51f400a[/URL].

[QUOTE=SaladHermit;4971222]Any intel?

Might meet up with her, but am also maybe getting a pro vibe: [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/458a52ec-9a59-4c79-82fd-a201e51f400a[/URL].[/QUOTE]She sent me an unsolicited message with her number, she was very pushy to meet right away. Yeah very pro behavior, so I passed.

[QUOTE=SaladHermit;4971222]Any intel?

Might meet up with her, but am also maybe getting a pro vibe: [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/458a52ec-9a59-4c79-82fd-a201e51f400a[/URL].[/QUOTE]I'd hit that in a heartbeat.