Ran into Nina in Coconut Grove today.A wsw about 40 with a flat stomach and nice tits.Loves to please.Hangs out at the boat ramp or post office.She says she and a wsw named Sunshine are the only wsw's left in the Grove.
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Ran into Nina in Coconut Grove today.A wsw about 40 with a flat stomach and nice tits.Loves to please.Hangs out at the boat ramp or post office.She says she and a wsw named Sunshine are the only wsw's left in the Grove.
[QUOTE=NorthBound]If you admit it... they will let you go.
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You must do it differently here. Where I come from the court proceeding goes something like this:
Defense Attorney: Well, Mr. Policeman, how can you tell the jury for sure that my pristine upstanding client is a whoremongerer?
Policeman: Cause he told me. Does that count?
I've been through the interrogations which I don't like. But I won't admit that I am a mongerer unless they have the evidence (which they don't). They undoubtably tell me they are going to take me to jail unless I tell them that I picked up a *****. I won't do it. They can take me to jail if they want, we can stand there all day arguing about it, or they can let me go because I didn't do anything wrong.
The truth is that I didn't do anything. It usually (not always) prevails.
[QUOTE=Cleveland Report]You must do it differently here. Where I come from the court proceeding goes something like this:
Defense Attorney: Well, Mr. Policeman, how can you tell the jury for sure that my pristine upstanding client is a whoremongerer?
Policeman: Cause he told me. Does that count?
I've been through the interrogations which I don't like. But I won't admit that I am a mongerer unless they have the evidence (which they don't). They undoubtably tell me they are going to take me to jail unless I tell them that I picked up a *****. I won't do it. They can take me to jail if they want, we can stand there all day arguing about it, or they can let me go because I didn't do anything wrong.
The truth is that I didn't do anything. It usually (not always) prevails.[/QUOTE]
If LEO sees a known SW getting into a vehicle, YES that IS sufficient probable cause to stop the vehicle and question the occupants.
What are the chances that the SW was carrying paraphenalia like a stem, pipe, her "tools" or a rock or something else? I'd say around 92%. If the red and whites come on she will ditch them inside your car - fer sure!
To charge possesion, LEO would have to find the item on your person or show that you had reasonable access to control the possesion of the item. If there are two people in the back seat and two up front the officer will normally assume that the occupants of the back seat had control of an item if it were stuffed into the rear seat where the driver and the front occupant couldn't easily access. Unless the backseat passenger said, "The driver anded me this paper bag and asked me to stuff it inder the seat. I asked him what it was and he said it wasn't his, but we could all get into trouble if the cops find it."
Once LEO stops your vehicle an "investigation" is in progress. Anything you of your passengers say is under scrutiny. They may question you all they want - within limits. LEO can ask, "Why did you stop and pick up this female?" And you can respond, "I asked her if she needed a ride. She did and it was along my way so I said get in." The officer will definately speak to the passenger you picked up too. LEO will most likely run your drivers liscense and the identity of your passenger. I'd say there's around a 75% chance that there's an arrest warrant for the SW for a DID NOT APPEAR on a court case. In that case LEO will arrest the passenger, but not the driver so long as the records search comes back clean without any arrestable offenses. Tickets and open court cases are fine so long as there are not any bench warrants issued by the court system.
FYI - Miami PD tends to arrest first and let the courts sort it out. they don't give a rat's ass about rights or procedure - even when they're border line and they know it. Their attitude is to let the arraignment judge and you attourney fix it - and they will.
On the other hand...IF YOU SAY SOMETHING INCRIMINATING DURING THE INVESTIGATION your eggs are fried.
LEO can ask you all kinds of questions when they stop you, "Do you have any weapons or drugs in the car? What are you doing in this neighborhood? This woman has been convicted of prostitution. Why did you pick her up at the gas station? Did she offer you a sexual act or to have sex for money?"
The officer can ask your passenger, "Did you talk about sex acts? Did he offer to pay you for sex? Do you have any drugs or paraphenalia on you?"
LEO can ask the operator of the vehicle if they can search the vehicle. Depending on how you answered the first questions the asked you they most likely have zero legal right to conduct a search and you are completely within you rights to refuse a search of the vehicle. This will really piss off LEO. If you are well aquainted with an attourney that handle traffic offences you should have a little talk - invite them to happy hour one evening and by them some drinks and they will enlighten you.
The skinny is that we have alot of "RIGHTS" but that's all they are. LEO has the RED & BLUE LIGHTS and the GUN. On the street they can do whatever they want. Nobody is going to arrest a police officer for habitually arresting SWers and mongers and ignoring their "RIGHTS."
For the monger the case gets tossed out and/or charges are reduced to something insignificant - for the SW the cases always ballon way out of their control because they don't have anywhere to receive court notices and are extremely unreliable in attending court and seldom follow up and complete court ordered mandates.
SWers might get charged with soliciting prostitution and possesion and if they had resources could easily beat the rap - but they don't. So the SW will get released at the arraignment following arrest as long as their are no outstanding warrents and charges that require her to be detained. The court case is set for trial and the SW never shows up...the officer is there...the judge issues and arrest warrant...the SW gets picked up in a week or two (because they always do)...the SW is then held in detention until the court date is set. Corrections transports the SW to court for her "FAIR" trial. She will only get to speak to her public defender for about 4 minutes about 30 minutes before the trials for the morning or afternoon docket begin. Her PD is going to "advise" her of her legal options. Mind you the PD is a guy/gal who has no interest in spending more than 25 minutes tops on this court case.
The PD is going to recomend that the SW accept the State's offer for time served. Which means she will accept a guilty or guilty with adjucation plea.
If she wanted to go to trial she could. All she need to do is ask. The PD doesn't want her to - even when he knows there is a ton of reasonable doubt surrounding the case. The SW usually never wants to go to trial because there's a good chance that the State will request that she remain in custody if there's sufficient room in the corrections facility. Of course they could go to trial right there; both sides are supposed to be ready to go, but either the State or the PD will request the trial date be reset and they will back each other up. They judge will generally grant the trial reset once. If the arresting officer isn't there the judge will often toss the whole case out - that's like XMAS-4-SWers.
All in all there's just one thing the SW wants. She want's out of the Greybar Hotel so she can do whatever she need to to to get high again.
If there was a movie about a rag tag bunch of mongers and a group of hookers with hearts of gold that were being harassed by an antagonistic officer, this post would be the inspiring speech in the third act.
Well done.
I was pulled over a few weeks ago. I picked up a BSW, spinner, off 79th, just west of 95. As she got in, I saw LEO go by, look and slow down. I knew it was about to suck. I headed North, took the 1st right and pulled into the first available spot. I shut off my car and got out. I asked the SW to do the same, she refused... WTF !!!!!
She erroneously stated that LEO could do nothing because we had done nothing wrong. I left my car, took my kets and got out of the way. LEO drove right past my car. I should have gotten back in and high-tailed it out of there, but the roads will not allow you to easily lose someone with lights AND a radio.
He circled around and came back about 45 seconds later, full lights on my car. I was watching from a few hundred feet away. He spoke with the girl in the car for a while, I am surprised he didn't search my car. A few minutes later another 2 LEOs arrived intheir cruisers. They all hung aound for about 20 or so minutes and then left.
They returned again about 5 minutes later. I could see them on the side streets watching my car. This continued several more times. At one point, I was able toget back to my car to ask the SW to get out so I could lock up my car and then the LEO's would have no access to it, SHE REFUSED! Can you believe this f*ckin' shit! I offered her the $20 I originally offered her for her time.
After LEO came by again and I had to hide in the shadows of a U-Haul truck, I again approached her. She agreed to get out if I paid her $40. I was so pissed, but caught in a bad position, I said yes and paid her when she got out.
She wantd me to go across the street to some house (probably a dope house) and have the date there. I declined, but offered to make the date for another day. The b*tch got back in my car!!!! WTF !!!!!
She asked for my phone # (No, I did not give her my real #), and I agreed that when she went to the house, I would go in if it was safe. How f*ckin' dumb did she think I was! There was something about this girl that smelled like LEO. I know they don't get in, but she was either REALLY stupid or something was up.
She eventually did get out of the car and went across the street. I got in my car and I could see LEO waiting for me. They were at both ends of the street waiting for me to go by. I knew my car was clean, but checked out the side the SW was on before I proceeded on.
As soon as I passed LEO #1, on came the lights. The ran my license, etc..
"What are you doing around here?" the first LEO asked
"Nuthin'" I repied
One of them stuck his head in my passenger side window and said "You know he saw you pick her up don't you?"
I replied "Wasnt me" "I don't know what you mean"
They tried to associate me with the SW, but I kept saying 'I dunno" and "wasn't me"
They had nothing. They did not have me in the car with the SW nor did they have anything in my car that they could use against me. It was an illegal stop to boot. They had no reason to pull me over.
They threatened me with arrest if they ever saw me there again, blah, blah, blah....
If you're not in the car with the girl, they have nothing ....
My post refers to only if you get pulled over for cruising-- same area frequently.
OR
Being white in a completely all black area.
OR
Being completely drug free in a known crack area or on same street as a known crack house.
Otherwise if the sw is in the car--- then read other posts and the 22 rules, etc.
But if your just cruising too much down 2nd, biscayne, opalocka or OT then refer to my post as it is better to say you where cruising for prostitutes then drugs. THEY ALREADY KNOW WHY YOUR THERE, ESPECIALLY IF YOUR A MIAMI RESIDENT OR EVEN BROWARD --- YOUR NOT LOST--- A COUPLE WITH THEIR CHILDREN ARE LOST. A SINGLE MALE IN BLUE JEANS OR BAGGY PANTS IS LOOKING TO PURCHASE SOMETHING OR SOMEONE.
[QUOTE=NorthBound]If you admit it... they will let you go.
They never saw money switching hands or $$ talk at all.
The only way your going to jail is on a suspended license, drugs or if you talk money with an undercover. OR if you follow a SW to her room, while she walks around the corner and you drive. Then the Undercover is in the room and your gone.
Otherwise it will be a two hour ordeal with multiple cops questioning you and searching your car for drugs and trying to scare the shit out of you. Then comes the STD talk.
Then your let go with a warning that if your ever in the area again they will find a reason to stop and arrest you....rolling stop at light, busted taillight, etc.
That is it... IF a sw says .. HEY BABY 20.00 for a bj $40.00 for anything you want... OUTSIDE THE CAR FROM THE WINDOW>.while holding a cellphone purse, walkman or dark thermos..KEEP DRIVING>[/QUOTE]Guys,
Early in my monger days I showed the inexperienced and got busted a few times. One by an uncover LE. I'll never forget the moment. Pretty decoy on the corner of the Ernest motel near Flagler and 35th ave. Drove up to the corner and just stared at her and she said "want a date? " I said "maybe" and the next thing you know LE cars from everywhere pulls up with lights. On the report it mention that I offered $20 for BJ which I know it was a lie. The cops told me that they had me record. Being young and scared I played along. That nite I got my car towed, which costed me a grand to get it back. Case never made it to trail. Plead out and had to take the advocate program.
Second time I picked up a WSW on 8th and 67 I believed. As soon as she closed the door LE passed by and did a you turn and snagged red hand. SHe was no doubt wearing mongering clothes. She told me to tell le that I was giving she a ride, but I when with the honesty is the best policy theory. Long story short cop let her go and gave me a ticket to appear. This time no car towed just advocate program again.
5Am 14th st and 2nd. Young, tall, BSW with DD's. Nice body, good BBBJ, F/S.$30. Don't know if she was crazy or high or alittle of both. But overall a nice time. Never seen her before. Body appeared to be fairly new to the street.
All these LEO horror stories reminds me of a nightmare I once had.
I picked up a young lady, negotiated a reasonable price, found a nice parking spot. We both stripped naked, and we were going at it. I was on top of her doing my thing when someone came up to the back of my car and shined a flashlight right on me. It's amazing how real that dream seemed to me. I can still feel my heart stopping to this day. It turns out that the person shining the light on me was an undercover narcotics officer that just got off duty. He saw me make the pickup and followed me to my parking spot. He parked his car a little down the road and walked to my location to stay undetected. Surprisingly, he focused much of his attention on the young lady I was with. He told her to get dressed and to step out of the car and questioned her. Fortunately, the girl I was with was not really a streetwalker.- she was an escort looking to make a little extra on the street one evening. So, she was not an addict, and was very well spoken. She managed to talk her way out of trouble, and the officer suggested that we find a motel and let us go. This was not the 'happy ending' that I was looking for, but it was a very happy ending to a very bad nightmare.
I went mongering in South Beach tonight just like in the old days but this was a total waste of time. No WSW on Alton or West ave. None in the 6th and Meridian area. Nothing on Collins or Ocean. I did see some half black, half hispanic ghetto talking ones in a pack on Washington but they are a joke for the prices they want. Don't waste your time in South Beach.
I was busted once with a ho in my car. They charged me with for trespassing. Don't believe we had started the act
My 2 cents on the police pullover:
I agree completely with the previous guy who said the best thing is to be cooperative and remain as silent as possible. Just answer the questions. And be sure to have a story for why you are in the area. Visiting a friend at such-and-such street, but you don't need to give names/addresses. They won't believe you, but at least it's a story. That's if you do not have a girl in the car. If you do, I think you're at the cop's mercy and I don't have any great advice for that.
It's also crucial not to mix mongering with other illegal activities. Obey traffic rules, don't get high or drunk (do it at home !), and don't have illegal stuff in your car (drugs, open liquor, weapons) and keep all your car paperwork in order, etc. That way you can let the cops search away and they'll find nothing, read you the riot act and let you go.
Once I did refuse to let the police search my car -- just didn't want to be bothered. I tried the line "Sir, I don't consent to any searches." Well, the officer called in 4 other squad cars and a K-9 unit. Their dog "jumped" at the passenger door and this gave probable cause to search. After a long ordeal, hand-cuffs, insulting questioning, and reading me the riot act, they let me go. (BTW, that was not in Miami.) So it probably would be better to let them search and get it over with, as long as you are not mixing illegal pleasures.
Sorry that was more like 20 cents (lol).
[QUOTE=Snake27]My 2 cents on the police pullover:
Once I did refuse to let the police search my car -- just didn't want to be bothered. I tried the line "Sir, I don't consent to any searches." Well, the officer called in 4 other squad cars and a K-9 unit. Their dog "jumped" at the passenger door and this gave probable cause to search. After a long ordeal, hand-cuffs, insulting questioning, and reading me the riot act, they let me go. (BTW, that was not in Miami.) So it probably would be better to let them search and get it over with, as long as you are not mixing illegal pleasures.
Sorry that was more like 20 cents (lol).[/QUOTE]
Strange. Generally the reponse would be..."you are free to go". Must be you :)
[QUOTE=Cleveland Report]Strange. Generally the reponse would be..."you are free to go". Must be you :)[/QUOTE]
The cop in charge did say "you are free to go", but only after pursuing his hunch, searching my car, and finding nothing illegal. Anyway, while it's just one anecdote to add to the mix here, I stand by my advice. :)
Back in the late 80's, I found a young cuban SW near downtown that I took to an 8th street fuck motel and found her to be an amazingly hot fuck. She was definitely a 10 for a SW fuck.
The next time I found her and picked her up in that neighborhood, she tried to get me to drive her into Overtown, (to score a fix from her pusher), but as soon as I realized where we were heading, a few blocks west of the 95 underpass, I figured out why she was asking me to go there, and I told her Sorry, but No Way am I gonna take her to buy her fucking heroin, no matter how good of a fuck she was.
I made a u-turn on a completely deserted empty street, and 2 seconds later, out of nowhere, I'm pulled over by a UC narcotics detective. He grills me, and I said I realized I was going the wrong way, and that's why I turned around to get OUT of the neighborhood.
He was absolutely positive that we HAD bought some heroin, even though I swore to him that I was leaving BECAUSE I wouldn't let the girl score smack, but he pulled us out and searched every inch of my car for half an hour. He just kept getting more angry when he couldn't find any drugs, and insisting I was a fucking liar, and that if I didn't confess and give him the heroin, he was gonna beat the shit out of me, and then shoot me, and then arrest me.
I remember he was bald, and his head kept getting more and more red with anger. He must have been coked up or on speed, cause he finally took my keys and opened my trunk, which was full of my diving gear, mask, fins, dive flag, scuba tank, regulator, and spear gun.
When he saw the spear gun, he grabbed it and went crazy, screaming at me, AHA!!! WHAT IS THIS???!!! NOW I'VE GOT YA PUNK!!!
I said Huh?? Its for catching fish. Look at all my diving gear.
He got so furious, I thought his head was gonna explode, it looked just like a big red tomato.
He finally yelled at me to get lost and warned me he would promise to shoot me if he ever saw me again.
Nice guy.