"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=TennisStud90;2946617]I'm thinking about taking the plunge into the SD world. I don't make a butt load of money, but I think I can swing like 500-600 a month. Is it going to be worth it and what amount of effort does it take?[/QUOTE]I've been wondering this myself, and I believe that 500-600 is more of a "monger" budget, not a SD budget for an exclusive SB. You can estimate it. According to what I've read here, the going rate is 200-300 per date for girls in the mid-Atlantic area. Then, in order to be meaningful to her you should see her once a week. There's an element of romance in this game, or at least quasi-romance, and I think most girls want to see her BF at least once per week. If you see her less often it might work if she is not exclusive to you; she has other SD. But there's a fine line between a pro and a SB with multiple SD. It all depends on what you want and what kind of connection you want. You also have to factor in the overhead costs of the date: dinner, entertainment, hotel, travel, etc. In my opinion, excluding the overhead, the minimum is 800 to 1200 per month. Oh, and they love to go shopping, too. There are probably exceptions, but I think they are hard to find, depend on chemistry, and admittedly some guys are better at this than others. For 2000/ month I bet you can have a really good time. Not that I'm a big expert, but I think I know how to estimate costs and I have been reading the forum.

On the other hand, maybe you can work out a monthly cost and see her as often as you like. I have no experience with that arrangement, though.

It took 2+ months, but sticking to my guns and patience has paid off. The SB referenced below is back. Turns out the "better deal" included some strings that she was uncomfortable with. We will see where this goes.

Wish me luck! M.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;2846425]I've seen a very cute and sweet girl twice now and things were going great!! She text me today apologizing for being out of contact. Let me know she really liked me and enjoyed our time together, but because of her financial situation she had to accept a higher offer.

I expressed disappointment, but wished her well and hoped that the arrangement met her expectations. Let her know she can contact me again if things don't work out as planned.

I think she expected me to try and counter and was surprised I didn't. I won't be surprised if she contacts me again. There is a good chance the offer wasn't real or they won't deliver on their offer. We will see.[/QUOTE]

Set up a po box and have them shipped there. I also remember someone posting that UPS has a similar setup where you can have things shipped to, and held at a UPS store until you pick them up.

Easy enough to justify to the SO (e. G. If you have rental properties then you don't want tenants to know where you live, any other business purpose, etc).

[QUOTE=MoonlightGam;2946514]I often find that these pills don't work very well, but maybe it's because I tend to take them on a full stomach. I often have a meal before meeting someone at the FC and I take the pill shortly before the meeting starts. (My dates are typically confined to hotels, since I can't take the girls out to meals because of my marital status.) My concern is that if I took them before I've eaten, they will have worn off by the time they're needed. Is this not a problem?

I've been getting mine from a domestic source, and they are very expensive. However, they ship FedEx, and I can arrange to have them held at the FedEx location for me to pick them up here. I can't have them delivered to my home, because the reason that I am in the bowl is that my wife lost interest in sex some dozen or more years ago. They would be hard to explain. Does anyone know of a way to have them shipped in a way that would not create this problem. (I suppose I could have them shipped to my office, but I don't want something lying around the mail room addressed to me from a pharmacy, let alone one in India.) Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]

It is a small price to pay, which is why my "allergies" never seem to get better, regardless of the season!

[QUOTE=FScott;2945971]Smelly,

I often get a stuffy nose as well. On rare occasions I also get what I call "blue vision", where everything looks slightly bluish. All these are a small price to pay, in my opinion, for being able to fuck for hours.

Scott.[/QUOTE]

I've never taken vitamin c. Sounds like I need to consider a second script. Is there a reason you mix, instead of taking one vs. Another?

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2945901]When I need a real performance I do a mix of cialis 5 mg and V 15 mg (1/3 of 50 mg tablet). No side effects other than having a loaded missle for 1-3 days.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TennisStud90;2946617]I'm thinking about taking the plunge into the SD world. I don't make a butt load of money, but I think I can swing like 500-600 a month. Is it going to be worth it and what amount of effort does it take?[/QUOTE]If there's chemistry and an attraction level you can make it work. Had a SB that wanted 2 K on her profile. I started out with cash on hand per meet, and eventually it was just regular dating and normal bf / gf stuff. Most normal boyfriends can't afford to spend a few hundred bucks a month. If your in decent shape and have a bit of humor and charm you'll be fine. The true SBs aren't looking for you to be there sole provider. They're looking for good times. My rule of thumb is to not make them a sex object and for them to no treat me like a wallet. It may take a few M&Gs to find one that's worth spending the time on. Once cash is in hand and you're open about finances and goals these relationships move quickly. Dating an SB for 2 months exclusively is the equivalent of 2 years of civi dating. The sugar you pay or money you spend is enjoyable for both parties. Whatever you do make it fun. Be indifferent to their flakiness. These girls are early 20's. It's expected.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2947267]I've never taken vitamin c. Sounds like I need to consider a second script. Is there a reason you mix, instead of taking one vs. Another?[/QUOTE]The small does of V is for immediacy and more of a backup in case things happen. The Cialis last for up to 36 hours. It's more like an insurance mix. I don't take them regularly. If I'm off with my diet and exercise they come in handy.

There are all sorts of people on the SD sites looking for different things with different expectations. Surprisingly, there are plenty of younger women who are attracted to older men that are in good shape, confident, secure and experienced with a good sense of humor. If you can show them a drama free good time and mentorship, some won't expect much above that. If it becomes more of a bf / gf relationship they will expect more. Of an emotional bond, commitment, exclusivity and time.

It all depends on what you have to offer and what you are willing to do for them.

Remember that your competition is insecure, unestablsihed, selfish and jealous young men. You need to differentiate yourself.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2948309]If there's chemistry and an attraction level you can make it work. Had a SB that wanted 2 K on her profile. I started out with cash on hand per meet, and eventually it was just regular dating and normal bf / gf stuff. Most normal boyfriends can't afford to spend a few hundred bucks a month. If your in decent shape and have a bit of humor and charm you'll be fine. The true SBs aren't looking for you to be there sole provider. They're looking for good times. My rule of thumb is to not make them a sex object and for them to no treat me like a wallet. It may take a few M&Gs to find one that's worth spending the time on. Once cash is in hand and you're open about finances and goals these relationships move quickly. Dating an SB for 2 months exclusively is the equivalent of 2 years of civi dating. The sugar you pay or money you spend is enjoyable for both parties. Whatever you do make it fun. Be indifferent to their flakiness. These girls are early 20's. It's expected.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;2949142]There are all sorts of people on the SD sites looking for different things with different expectations. Surprisingly, there are plenty of younger women who are attracted to older men that are in good shape, confident, secure and experienced with a good sense of humor. If you can show them a drama free good time and mentorship, some won't expect much above that. If it becomes more of a bf / gf relationship they will expect more. Of an emotional bond, commitment, exclusivity and time.

It all depends on what you have to offer and what you are willing to do for them.

Remember that your competition is insecure, unestablsihed, selfish and jealous young men. You need to differentiate yourself.[/QUOTE]The hard part is sorting out the UTR's and the GPS's from the bunch!

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2949190]The hard part is sorting out the UTR's and the GPS's from the bunch![/QUOTE]Nothing hard about this. If they have more than one sd they are on the way to utr. As far as GPS who am I to tell someone what they are worth. There is always someone who has the money to pay so if they can get it good for them. Me I just move on to the ones in my financial bracket. We call them GPS and they call us splenda or salt daddy's.

As far as a true sb cut the payments off after 6 months and see if they hang around or if they say its been real, call me when things get better for ya.

This is not rocket science.

Like everything else in life, you get better with practice.

I ask questions that determine if they care about my appearance, want something ongoing, are willing to carry on a conversation, are too focused on what's in it for them, etc. I haven't found filtering out pros, utr's, GPS syndrome and desperate "Nando 1's" to be that hard.

The greater challenge is filtering our scammers and pretenders. Scammers will say all the right things and then come up with reasons for you to send them money upfront, but I always refuse even if I think they are genuine. Pretenders either enjoy just playing or haven't decided if they actually want to go thru with it.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2949190]The hard part is sorting out the UTR's and the GPS's from the bunch![/QUOTE]

Thank you bros for taking the time to post some very helpful info. I will remember to eat well in advance of FC and try the Wet Platinum which is guaranteed to work.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2943318]Had a similar problem and it caused all types of STD paranoia...[/QUOTE]In my case it was pretty clear that the foreskin got bruised due to it getting rolled up and rubbed against during intercourse!

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2945901]When I need a real performance I do a mix of cialis 5 mg and V 15 mg (1/3 of 50 mg tablet). No side effects other than having a loaded missle for 1-3 days.[/QUOTE]I use the legit name brand pills so prescriptions are necessary. May be I'll try convincing my regular doc to write both to see which one works better!

They've always been around in one form or another, but over the last several months, across many different cities, I noticed an increase in married SBs on the SD sites. Sometimes they indicate their status accurately in their profile, sometimes not, but they usually reveal it within the first day or so of communication. I don't mean the traditional 30+ year old bored housewife with a seven year itch, I'm talking very hot 20-25 year olds (some who are barely past their honeymoon when they get the itch). There's never been a shortfall of married & cheating women on any dating site, but I don't remember encountering so many that I would otherwise be interested in as someone with SB potential.

What I don't like about them of course is the potential for drama from hubby discovering the naughty. Also, a couple of times I've researched them only to find out their age-appropriate hubby is some guy working his ass off to provide for her and make ends meet, and this brings out a sympathetic side of me that makes me not want to get involved in the situation.

What I do like about them is that the sugar is not their motivation, some aren't looking for it at all. They typically are in it for the excitement, the escape from their daily routine, and in some cases a porn-addicted hubby that doesn't fuck them often enough or show them the level of attention they'd prefer to have. They see it as sort of an upscale AM type "arrangement" where it's not so much about money as it is about simple escapism, and feeling the thrill of dating again (naturally, the terms "romance" or "intimacy" appear often in these discussions with them). The benefit for them, I have to assume, is they see an SD as someone who is less likely to be a creep or stalker (since an SD has something to lose, versus a guy that lives in his parents basement), and his financial success indicates a status higher than her current status (which appeals to most of them). I also think that they see SDs as more willing to play in secrecy, and thus safer prospects for the occasional trysts.

I've actually only taken one of these to the FC in recent weeks, and she actually wasn't an "admitted" married girl (I never asked but she has all the tell-tale signs). And honestly I will probably try to avoid them for the most part. But I do like to understand what makes women tick so I continue to interact with them about a potential meeting. I came close to meeting another one, but due to very restrictive scheduling possibilities on her part (usually a strong indication they are someone's wife), we weren't able to make it happen when I was in her city.

Anyone else noticed an increase in these? It seems like this year they are making up about 10-15% of the total girls I'm interested in meeting. It could be that the actual prevalence numbers are no higher than before, but for some reason there definitely seems to be more in the 20-25 year old bracket, with face and body that make them competitive with any unmarried SB.

Maybe the sugaring sites are being marketed more heavily with specific targeting toward young brides? Doesn't really seem to bode well for the long-term future of the family unit in this country I suppose.

One of my SBs in Greensboro NC showed me a message from an SD in Richmond (may be one of the forum brothers) that seemed on the surface to be some good bang for the buck. For POTs willing to travel within lets say a 4 hour radius he provides $1000 cash allowance plus shopping (for a minimum 2 night stay. At first that seemed like a lot of cash to drop on a SB but when I figured the SD was having the SB stay at his house without the hotel expense I could see the value of the proposal. Not counting shopping expense the net expense without the hotel nights someone like me would have to cover is about 400 a night with 2 extra advantages. One is they are "long" overnights, and second it opens the talent pool up to a 4 hours radius without committing to travel expense. You could focus on the cream of the crop that would be very motivated to pick up $ 1000 but the SD keeps the leverage on the 2 night minimum by waitng until the second morning to provide the "gift. " I happen to know the screen name so if by chance this is a proposal put out by one of the brothers feel free to PM me. If I didn't have an SO I would almost consider the approach, even with the risk of the SB coming to my house. I could set it up at a hotel and offer less but I think the magic is the 1000 number in the SBs head.